Stoney grows Honey Fried Bananas in RDWC SCROG

[GrumpAzz]

Grump which one of these does your diodes look more like? what year is stamped on your light? my left one is a 2020 and the right is a 2018

Well.. call me crazy, but I'm not seeing a date on it anywhere. I bought it from CLW last summer. Diodes look similar to the ones in the left picture.

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Dude..

Your outside plant


My Power Plant failure from last year.


Eerily similar man... but I can't help because the problem didn’t persist into the next grow.

Contaminated Hydroton??

 

[Stoneyluv]

Sounds like ill water chemistry to me. Same water thru all of these issues even though the lights and just about everything else has changed but the issue remains? That's 100% bad water chemistry + the plants are showing they hate what ever is burning up the roots.
Something already in the water is not agreeing with something you add in there. Probably can't be measured in TDS either. Microbial maybe.

I'd start with the water and filter it, RO it if you have to. At minimum sediment and carbon and maybe even deionize it.
Personally, I'd jump straight to RO because of personal experience with this sort of stuff in hydro. Nothing worse than mystery shit in water keeping you running in circles and chasing ghosts

i never have tried other water. i could always just try my tap water, from my well. it's a little hard but it might be worth a test.. i don't have an RO filter.

this is the first time it's happened in soil.. i've been using all the same water to water all my plants, even the ones in flowering right now.

Well.. call me crazy, but I'm not seeing a date on it anywhere. I bought it from CLW last summer. Diodes look similar to the ones in the left picture.

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Dude..

Your outside plant
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My Power Plant failure from last year.
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Eerily similar man... but I can't help because the problem didn’t persist into the next grow.

Contaminated Hydroton??

man that does look similar, even has some of the edge curl. even starts on your third set down too..

i'm not saying it can't be the hydroten but i did wash it all very well just before this round of reusing it.

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the date should be just next to the comm ports. this is what the older and the newer date stamps look like...

 

[GrumpAzz]

Found it.. I must've been high

 

[Bandit420]

i never have tried other water. i could always just try my tap water, from my well. it's a little hard but it might be worth a test.. i don't have an RO filter.

this is the first time it's happened in soil.. i've been using all the same water to water all my plants, even the ones in flowering right now.



man that does look similar, even has some of the edge curl. even starts on your third set down too..

i'm not saying it can't be the hydroten but i did wash it all very well just before this round of reusing it.

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the date should be just next to the comm ports. this is what the older and the newer date stamps look like...

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Filtration starts in stages. Honestly I couldn't grow with out filtering my water because there's couple mysteries in there plants hate.
Maybe boiling your water before using is all you need if it's something like pathogen.

I prefer to build a custom filter and there's 5 stages to consider. Sediment and carbon may only be what you need and if so you could get lucky and build a gravity powered filter for about $25 then another $20 every 2-3 grows when it's time to replace those two filters

After carbon would be dechlor which you do not need since you don't add chloramine to your rain barrel.
However, if boiling water fixed anything then that's a major clue to it being a living organism infecting your plants.
At this point in theory you could shock the rain water with chlorine to sterilize it then filter or evap the chlorine out before using it in the garden.
To filter it, you're looking at a $50 upgrade part to the filter system but could still be gravity powered.

Deionization is optional as well and I doubt your issues are due to ionization of your water. Maybe but unlikely. The pH swing could be due to this but so could other factors.
Roughly a $10 upgrade and gravity can still be used. I use it just for peace of mind and pH stability.

5th stage is RO and I'm lucky now because I used to need RO but water has changed and now I don't.
If RO is needed then it's just better to buy the filter kit for around $70 then you don't have to buy it in parts.
RO will need at least 40PSI to work so it needs to be pumped thru the filter.

I can go into more details on the build and installing bypass valves to bypass RO or easily flip to get RO depending on needs.
I can also give you links to the filter I'm using as well if you need. I've shopped around already and these are some of the better filter for the price.
But yeah man the filter system I've built is kinda nuts. Only maybe $130 invested but it performs like the ones that cost $450, just not as fast.

Anyways, yeah,I'd focus 100% on that water man. You know your lights can grow plants because they've grown hundreds of plants already and they're by far one of the most user friendly models of lights one could ever use so it's not them. No way those 550s are plant killers like that man no matter what generation they are

 

[Stoneyluv]

Found it.. I must've been high
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i was hoping they wouldn't send you old stock!!

Grump, help me out man, which journal of your had that plant in it that you posted ^^?

also, do you think in any way your RO filter caused your water pump to die? when you use your RO does it cycle your pump often? do you happen to know how many gallons your pressure tank holds? (like how much water you use before it cycles the pump) mine hold a few gallons not much at all and i'm curious about it before i would even think of using one.

Filtration starts in stages. Honestly I couldn't grow with out filtering my water because there's couple mysteries in there plants hate.
Maybe boiling your water before using is all you need if it's something like pathogen.

I prefer to build a custom filter and there's 5 stages to consider. Sediment and carbon may only be what you need and if so you could get lucky and build a gravity powered filter for about $25 then another $20 every 2-3 grows when it's time to replace those two filters

After carbon would be dechlor which you do not need since you don't add chloramine to your rain barrel.
However, if boiling water fixed anything then that's a major clue to it being a living organism infecting your plants.
At this point in theory you could shock the rain water with chlorine to sterilize it then filter or evap the chlorine out before using it in the garden.
To filter it, you're looking at a $50 upgrade part to the filter system but could still be gravity powered.

Deionization is optional as well and I doubt your issues are due to ionization of your water. Maybe but unlikely. The pH swing could be due to this but so could other factors.
Roughly a $10 upgrade and gravity can still be used. I use it just for peace of mind and pH stability.

5th stage is RO and I'm lucky now because I used to need RO but water has changed and now I don't.
If RO is needed then it's just better to buy the filter kit for around $70 then you don't have to buy it in parts.
RO will need at least 40PSI to work so it needs to be pumped thru the filter.

I can go into more details on the build and installing bypass valves to bypass RO or easily flip to get RO depending on needs.
I can also give you links to the filter I'm using as well if you need. I've shopped around already and these are some of the better filter for the price.
But yeah man the filter system I've built is kinda nuts. Only maybe $130 invested but it performs like the ones that cost $450, just not as fast.

Anyways, yeah,I'd focus 100% on that water man. You know your lights can grow plants because they've grown hundreds of plants already and they're by far one of the most user friendly models of lights one could ever use so it's not them. No way those 550s are plant killers like that man no matter what generation they are

i'm not apposed to trying other water. the SIP plants have direct contact to the water and it would make sense that they would show the signs compared more so to my other soil plants, maybe the soil buffers the problem more in the dark cabinet. but to be honest they all don't look that great this round either so i feel a water change is not out of the question here.

i have options of other water without buying a filter just yet.

tell me more about why you used UV in your tank? i only use it for algae but maybe it does more that i'm not aware of...

i need to look into this more before i buy anything but like i said i'm not disagreeing with at least trying other water.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Grump, help me out man, which journal of your had that plant in it that you posted ^^?

That was in my "Grump's Power Plant Grow" thread.
Thread 'Grump's Power Plant Grow.' https://budbuilders.org/threads/grumps-power-plant-grow.573/

also, do you think in any way your RO filter caused your water pump to die? when you use your RO does it cycle your pump often? do you happen to know how many gallons your pressure tank holds? (like how much water you use before it cycles the pump) mine hold a few gallons not much at all and i'm curious about it before i would even think of using one.

i'm not sure what you mean here. My water pump died? The one outside in my well? That was a faulty check valve that was constantly emptying my tank back to the well. I've had no short-cycle issues since it was repaired.

My RO will run after I pull a gallon out of the 50 gallon RO barrel. It's controlled by a float valve and shuts itself off pretty quickly after I installed the booster pump. Before that, it just wasn't getting good pressure and was taking forever to fill after a res change used it all. With the booster pump, it fills my 50 gallons in a little under a day.

My biggest issue is the amount of waste from the RO. It's a 4:1 ratio of waste to RO. Bandit suggested a little upgrade to the RO system that cuts down the waste closer to 2:1. I haven't installed that part yet, though.

 

[Bandit420]

i was hoping they wouldn't send you old stock!!

Grump, help me out man, which journal of your had that plant in it that you posted ^^?

also, do you think in any way your RO filter caused your water pump to die? when you use your RO does it cycle your pump often? do you happen to know how many gallons your pressure tank holds? (like how much water you use before it cycles the pump) mine hold a few gallons not much at all and i'm curious about it before i would even think of using one.



i'm not apposed to trying other water. the SIP plants have direct contact to the water and it would make sense that they would show the signs compared more so to my other soil plants, maybe the soil buffers the problem more in the dark cabinet. but to be honest they all don't look that great this round either so i feel a water change is not out of the question here.

i have options of other water without buying a filter just yet.

tell me more about why you used UV in your tank? i only use it for algae but maybe it does more that i'm not aware of...

i need to look into this more before i buy anything but like i said i'm not disagreeing with at least trying other water.

Some soils do have built in things to help. Anything from microbes to physical drought and a dry back helps kill water borne nasty.

I don't think you need to change your water so much as just run it thru a filter and get it to the degree of purification that plants will love it or use something that will kill every living thing in it then be ez to remove that agent so it won't affect the good stuff you add before using it for anything.

I use the UV pump for helping to decrease algae but algae is actually a good thing for my operations so a healthy algae bloom is welcome in my tank. It turns into plant food for me and also eats up anything the water filter doesn't clean out.
I want a nice bright green grassy look to it and not a dark green sludge scum so the UV helps keep that in balance.
My UV also has a pump and carbon filter in it and I'd say it's more useful purpose is constantly stirring the tank and killing any water borne nasties keeping the water fresh after it's been filtered and in the holding tank waiting to be used in the gardens.
After 24 hours of standing still water goes stagnant and bad shit starts to happen in it. I keep mine moving thru the UV and carbon plus it's blasted with oxygen 24/7.

Pretreating your water with food grade h202 to kill anything in it will also work and like chlorine will evaporate in a short time.

If you do RO though just be sure to do the 2 stages of filtration first. Like you don't go straight from rain barrel or tap to RO membrane. You'll ruin the membrane and not get the clean water you need. It has to run thru the sediment and carbon before it enters the RO chamber then you harvest what comes out of the RO. With all the rain you get man I kinda find it nuts you haven't gone RO yet. If water was free and waste of RO didn't cost me anything I'd probably have a cistern buried and full of pure RO water

 

[steamroller]

Not having easy access to RO water near my room is the #1 reason I don't do hydro.
Anthem said it could be done with tap but if anything goes sideways you are just chasing your tail, or your tails shadow.
You never really know for sure.

 

[Skinnypuppy80]

Bandit suggested a little upgrade to the RO system that cuts down the waste closer to 2:1. I haven't installed that part yet, though.

What part is that? I have an ispring rcc7 and the waste is 3:1 or more. @Bandit420

 

[Observer]

Not having easy access to RO water near my room is the #1 reason I don't do hydro.
Anthem said it could be done with tap but if anything goes sideways you are just chasing your tail, or your tails shadow.
You never really know for sure.

It's really not fun with tap lol, but it's doable; sterile or mycos/bennies.


I'm going 5 stage when I can. UV filtration. 40 mg/l DO lol.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Not having easy access to RO water near my room is the #1 reason I don't do hydro.
Anthem said it could be done with tap but if anything goes sideways you are just chasing your tail, or your tails shadow.
You never really know for sure.

Run a 3/4 or half inch line from your house to your shed.. problem solved.

What part is that? I have an ispring rcc7 and the waste is 3:1 or more. @Bandit420

It's a flow restrictor.

https://www.amazon.com/Malida-connector-Restrictor-purifiers-550CC-100GPD/dp/B01N571XI5

 

[Bandit420]

What part is that? I have an ispring rcc7 and the waste is 3:1 or more. @Bandit420

Grump hooked you up with the link. You get the restrictor according to the size of system you're using and there's instructions to where in the system you install it. I wanna say it's back flush line but not 100%, it's been a while.
It will give you a 1:1 waste but like for me and my 100GPD filter slows it way down to around 45-50GPD so expect to take twice as long to get the same volume of water before the restrictor

Not having easy access to RO water near my room is the #1 reason I don't do hydro.
Anthem said it could be done with tap but if anything goes sideways you are just chasing your tail, or your tails shadow.
You never really know for sure.

I think a lot of the premium nute lines are designed for RO. The lower shelf stuff like Jacks might do well with tap but just depends.
I love RO because it's pretty much a cure all like cal/mag or something.
I think my water now is about 90% the quality it was when I used RO and does well but it's more bitchy and creates a higher maintenance garden than when I used RO.

 

[Skinnypuppy80]

It will give you a 1:1 waste but like for me and my 100GPD filter slows it way down to around 45-50GPD so expect to take twice as long to get the same volume of water before the restrictor

So would a pump help w the time? probably not I'm guessing. My ispring is rated to do 75gpd

 

[Observer]

So would a pump help w the time? probably not I'm guessing. My ispring is rated to do 75gpd

RO needs atleast 40PSI I think

 

[Bandit420]

So would a pump help w the time? probably not I'm guessing. My ispring is rated to do 75gpd

No you keep everything at the same pressure. It's just like taking a 2 lane road down to 1 lane and it backs up traffic

 

[GrumpAzz]

So would a pump help w the time? probably not I'm guessing. My ispring is rated to do 75gpd

You only need a booster pump if the inlet pressure is under 40psi like @Observer mentioned. I added one to mine downstairs because my water pressure is only 30-35 psi.

I wanna say it's back flush line but not 100%

Yeah you're right.

@Skinnypuppy80, There's probably already a restrictor on your RO system. Looks just like the one in that link. You just swap one for the other. Easy peasy.

 

[Stoneyluv]

That was in my "Grump's Power Plant Grow" thread.
Thread 'Grump's Power Plant Grow.' https://budbuilders.org/threads/grumps-power-plant-grow.573/

thanks man.. that photo looks the closest to mine i've seen o the internet to date so i just wanna go back read an maybe we had something in common that would give me a clue..

'm not sure what you mean here. My water pump died? The one outside in my well? That was a faulty check valve that was constantly emptying my tank back to the well. I've had no short-cycle issues since it was repaired.

ahhhhh.. sorry i didn't realize thats what caused that. i understand now.

My RO will run after I pull a gallon out of the 50 gallon RO barrel. It's controlled by a float valve and shuts itself off pretty quickly after I installed the booster pump. Before that, it just wasn't getting good pressure and was taking forever to fill after a res change used it all. With the booster pump, it fills my 50 gallons in a little under a day.

My biggest issue is the amount of waste from the RO. It's a 4:1 ratio of waste to RO. Bandit suggested a little upgrade to the RO system that cuts down the waste closer to 2:1. I haven't installed that part yet, though.

thanks for those tips. they help!!! i wasn't aware of the waste, that matter as my drain in the basement would not work for that i would have to pipe it outside somehow.

i'd most likely need a booster pump.. it all adds up..

Some soils do have built in things to help. Anything from microbes to physical drought and a dry back helps kill water borne nasty.

ya know man my dark side grow isn't all perfect at the moment... i swore till this day that i cooked a few plants with the lights but maybe theres a chance it wasn't all that and maybe i need to run a few tests.

I don't think you need to change your water so much as just run it thru a filter and get it to the degree of purification that plants will love it or use something that will kill every living thing in it then be ez to remove that agent so it won't affect the good stuff you add before using it for anything.

i have some filters here that might work for a test. i only have a few weeks till harvest in the soil side so i'll be starting a new batch and will be able to control things a little better and have a more fair and complete test.

I use the UV pump for helping to decrease algae but algae is actually a good thing for my operations so a healthy algae bloom is welcome in my tank. It turns into plant food for me and also eats up anything the water filter doesn't clean out.
I want a nice bright green grassy look to it and not a dark green sludge scum so the UV helps keep that in balance.
My UV also has a pump and carbon filter in it and I'd say it's more useful purpose is constantly stirring the tank and killing any water borne nasties keeping the water fresh after it's been filtered and in the holding tank waiting to be used in the gardens.
After 24 hours of standing still water goes stagnant and bad shit starts to happen in it. I keep mine moving thru the UV and carbon plus it's blasted with oxygen 24/7.

i got ya, thats what i was hoping to hear... ya know alga also put more o2 in the water!!! win win on the good green!!!!

Pretreating your water with food grade h202 to kill anything in it will also work and like chlorine will evaporate in a short time.

yeah i'm really leaning this way... i have some 12% food grade and some h2o2 ppm strips to measure it. i'm still working on a couple theories with Moe and i'll probably be trying this.

If you do RO though just be sure to do the 2 stages of filtration first. Like you don't go straight from rain barrel or tap to RO membrane. You'll ruin the membrane and not get the clean water you need. It has to run thru the sediment and carbon before it enters the RO chamber then you harvest what comes out of the RO. With all the rain you get man I kinda find it nuts you haven't gone RO yet. If water was free and waste of RO didn't cost me anything I'd probably have a cistern buried and full of pure RO water

i understand what you're saying, and i understand they have a life to them.

i'm gonna be brutally honest with you guys here, i have not rules out pests yet... not a 100% yet and it could still be a possibly. i hate to think that but i'm not above saying no way, never, not my plants... so i need to inspect better to get to at least 99% sure, right now at this very moment i'm only at 85%.. just sayin..

today the plants look the same, no better, no worse.. somethings still choking them though.

 

[Stoneyluv]

as most of you guys thought, i have/had something ugly in my rainwater. been running the system with 25ppms of h2o2 for a few days now and the ph immediately balanced out and stopped diving the very next day.

the plants themselves were not doing any better and the one i put outside weeks ago still hasn't recovered so it's possible they may never so i wasn't going wait.

my issue could be bacterial, viral, or even pests. i have not completely ruled out russet mites yet. i have a better scope coming tomorrow to look closely at all the plants in the black room that are almost ready for harvest. either way i will have no plants growing and it will be the perfect time to clean again. but i looked closely at the four that were in here and i did not see any hint or sign of a mite at all. those little maggots aren't like the two spotters to see, russetts are tiny to see so i want a better scope to be 100% sure and not just 97%

what we don't know is if it is water born only.. i could be dealing with a multi problem so the h2o2 and bleach should take care of the water itself. as for the air/walls i bought a new tool to help clean.. 100w of UVC.. this will kill bacteria, virus', mite eggs, pollen, mold, and any other creepy crawly i don't want!!!



I turned the uv on outside the cabinet while i clouded the inside with ozone, then i switched places, put the ozone outside and blasted the UV inside. anything trying to get away from the ozone got met by a death light!! and the uv itself creates ozone while it's running so a two-for on that one!!

so with the room clear and clean and the water now sterile i decided to give some test plants a try.

bet ya never saw a basil SCROG before!!! hahaha just testing. will be interesting to know if it's fixed or maybe its a ganga specific thing. gotta test to get the data.. basil n parsley..




for now i've drained the rain collector, tipped it over and pressure washed it out real good. then put in a lot of h2o2 and bleach, put a brand new carbon filter mat on top and connected the gutter pipe. it poured last night and filled it up almost all the way up. the h2o2 concentration was around 100ppms!!! hopefully thats enough to kill anything in there. i then filled up the inside rain barrel with that concentrated water. i'll let them both sit till they read 0ppm.

till then i'm watering my soil plants with my tap water (hard water deep well) and i also have a barrel of 30 gallons of treated clean water for whatever. most likely hydro.

i would also like to clean my humidifier really well as i was using that water for it. i've been adding h2o2 to it for now. all my cutting tools and beakers and stuff i use a lot also got blasted with UV and ozone already.. Moe Red even has me wearing a long sleeve lab coat and fresh gloves every time i go downstairs just to contain whatever this thing is.. turns out it's kinda nice having pockets for stuff i only use down there and never have to empty!!!!

i'll certainly update y'all if anything changes...

 

[moe.red]

Whenever possible strip down and spin in front of that uvc for about 10 minutes to make sure you are good and sterile before working in your plants. I also recommend staying nude during the gardening just in case.

For bonus points take a few huffs off the ozone like a hookah to make sure you kill off anything in your mouth and lungs too.

Do this every day for a week and I promise your grow will no longer be a problem you need to worry about.

Newbies I’m completely full of shit disregard everything I just said.

Couple more days of no ph swing and I’ll tell you my hypothesis about what was happening there.

Were you able to see anything at all in the water under your microscope? If not can you test some water from a puddle to make sure it’s working? You should be able to pick up single cell organisms we might be able to identify.

Paramecium

Algae

Should be all kinds of stuff you can pick out

 

[Stoneyluv]

Whenever possible strip down and spin in front of that uvc for about 10 minutes to make sure you are good and sterile before working in your plants. I also recommend staying nude during the gardening just in case.

For bonus points take a few huffs off the ozone like a hookah to make sure you kill off anything in your mouth and lungs too.

Do this every day for a week and I promise your grow will no longer be a problem you need to worry about.

that was the very first thing i did with it!!!!! nothing like a good UV shower!! hahahaha

i picked up a battery for the rf remote it has, it's more convenient having the remote versus pressing the button and running.

Couple more days of no ph swing and I’ll tell you my hypothesis about what was happening there.

i lost count of the days Moe, it's been about a week since the ph has been stable as can be, it feels odd just looking at the number and not having to do anything or add anything! quite refreshing!! i just hope it will continue if i go live.

still riding at like 15ppm of h2o2 in the system. it's coming down slow and steady.

Were you able to see anything at all in the water under your microscope?

no sir, i spent about an hour looking but that microscope is more of a toy, i wasn't kidding when i said it was from my childhood.
i'm asking around and see if i can't borrow one from a friend.

If not can you test some water from a puddle to make sure it’s working?

thats a great idea. i'll put some cruddy water in it and see if i can see anything on that.

should be able to pick up single cell organisms we might be able to identify.

those are some great examples man!! i have some prepared slide with marled bacteria on them but they're all clear large specimens and easy to see.

i'm gonna look some more but my first attempt i did not see anything at all and nothing moving at all.

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i picked up a better loop/scope for looking for mites.. before i say for sure that i didn't see any, i need to ask, is this what i'm looking for?

the small white maggot looking things on the leaf?


i did not see anything that resembled anything like that or any other bug that i'm aware of. i looked at a handful of leaves each from a different plant and each of them is showing signs of recent damage within the past week.

i looked on top, bottom, all around.. concentrated the most where the blades meet the petiole and showed the most signs of curl and not a negative speck on anything i looked at. just saw trichomes.

i'm going to keep looking at them each day until i chop, they look so tiny in that photo that it looks easy to miss one. it's just eerie to see how much my plants look like it and i'm really trying to find a russet mite. i mean i'm happy i didn't see any yet but i'm going at it as if i do have them and just haven't seen them yet.

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i ran the water in my barrel through the RV filter and added the high concentration of h2o2. i also dropped in an airstone. weird to say but it actually looks cleaner and clearer than before.

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i'll stay in this holding pattern and continue to monitor the ph and h2o2 and see if there is any new growth on the herbs over the next few days.

Thanks Moe!!!!!!!!

 

[GrumpAzz]

For sure looks like some sort of maggot in that picture. I suspect they aren't plant material only judging by how they are inconsistently on/attached to the leaves.

 

[moe.red]

Glad you are mite free. Did the sulfur have any impact on the plant you put it on?

My hypothesis is algae in your rainwater tank. Or organic material in general. I'll explain more when I have a minute.

 

[moe.red]

For sure looks like some sort of maggot in that picture. I suspect they aren't plant material only judging by how they are inconsistently on/attached to the leaves.

I'm guessing that is a shot from the interwebs of adult HR Mites. Hopefully not #5's plants. I think this place would be on fire if he saw that.

 

[Stoneyluv]

For sure looks like some sort of maggot in that picture. I suspect they aren't plant material only judging by how they are inconsistently on/attached to the leaves.

i think it was just one of the stages they go through.. i took that snip from this video...

Glad you are mite free. Did the sulfur have any impact on the plant you put it on?

no, i don't think i gave them enough time though, it was only on there less than a week. i put some on a couple soil plants but it hasn't stopped it from looking bad.

i'm gonna keep looking for sure... honestly i'll probably never stop looking now..at least for a few months i'll still be on high guard. i've never had russet mites before and i am told they are the toughest to battle.

My hypothesis is algae in your rainwater tank. Or organic material in general. I'll explain more when I have a minute.

oh by all means pothesis on with this theory!! i know for a fact 100% i had algae in that water, not even a doubt. i almost posted a pic for you but never did. we were already moving forward with treating it and thought i'd be beating a dead horse with problems..

this is a before and after shot of that barrel of water, you can see the green...

I'm guessing that is a shot from the interwebs of adult HR Mites. Hopefully not #5's plants. I think this place would be on fire if he saw that.

correct, not my photo.. i tried to get shots through my little scope with the camera but it looked fish eyed goofy! haha

i told you if i see crawly shit i'm sellin!!!! the neighbors place down the road just went for $650K and they only have half the land i have!!! hahaha

and if i see crawly shit in the water i'm calling sigourney weaver!!!!

 

[Zen_seeker]

i think it was just one of the stages they go through.. i took that snip from this video...

no, i don't think i gave them enough time though, it was only on there less than a week. i put some on a couple soil plants but it hasn't stopped it from looking bad.

i'm gonna keep looking for sure... honestly i'll probably never stop looking now..at least for a few months i'll still be on high guard. i've never had russet mites before and i am told they are the toughest to battle.



oh by all means pothesis on with this theory!! i know for a fact 100% i had algae in that water, not even a doubt. i almost posted a pic for you but never did. we were already moving forward with treating it and thought i'd be beating a dead horse with problems..

this is a before and after shot of that barrel of water, you can see the green...

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correct, not my photo.. i tried to get shots through my little scope with the camera but it looked fish eyed goofy! haha

i told you if i see crawly shit i'm sellin!!!! the neighbors place down the road just went for $650K and they only have half the land i have!!! hahaha

and if i see crawly shit in the water i'm calling sigourney weaver!!!!

If you look close enough near the bottom right…

 

[Stoneyluv]

If you look close enough near the bottom right…
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if i saw something like that with eye balls staring back at me i think i'd be out of here like a bandit in a trans am!!



.. i guess i'm growing pizza toppings now..

 

[Bandit420]

if i saw something like that with eye balls staring back at me i think i'd be out of here like a bandit in a trans am!!



.. i guess i'm growing pizza toppings now..

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That weed identifies as basil and cilantro man. I'd give them more calmag and check for light leaks

 

[Stoneyluv]

That weed identifies as basil and cilantro man. I'd give them more calmag and check for light leaks

gu told me they were skunk #1!!

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so it's been a minute since i've been able to post some good news in this thread so lets get the ball rolling...

the plant i put outdoors, the California Orange Sherbet, i think she's gonna be okay!! i'm even seeing the lower branches having new growth!!



and there's a chance this Funky Monkey might pull through too...



basil and parsley... with herb root porn!!! haha




peroxide level is down to 10 ppms... going to need a top off soon. i'll use the clean water in the barrel, the h2o2 level is a little higher in that yet but i don't mind, i'm not in a rush to go back to living water.

 

[Zen_seeker]

gu told me they were skunk #1!!

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so it's been a minute since i've been able to post some good news in this thread so lets get the ball rolling...

the plant i put outdoors, the California Orange Sherbet, i think she's gonna be okay!! i'm even seeing the lower branches having new growth!!

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and there's a chance this Funky Monkey might pull through too...

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basil and parsley... with herb root porn!!! haha

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peroxide level is down to 10 ppms... going to need a top off soon. i'll use the clean water in the barrel, the h2o2 level is a little higher in that yet but i don't mind, i'm not in a rush to go back to living water.

I’ve been splitting and moving the herbs outside. Chives are doing great but they came with the house. I’m hoping once the mint is healthy I can put it beside the front steps. Reminds me of a simpler time. Rhubarb would be nice too if I find it.

It’s funny how so many plants that used to be common in peoples back yards are no longer around. My mom was never into growing them, just flowers, but she looked after what already existed.

Only took a generation to stop growing their own and just start buying from the grocery stores.

 

[Stoneyluv]

’ve been splitting and moving the herbs outside. Chives are doing great but they came with the house. I’m hoping once the mint is healthy I can put it beside the front steps. Reminds me of a simpler time. Rhubarb would be nice too if I find it.

i'm the same way i like to have a little of each inside and outside, sometimes i lose an indoor and need to tap off the outdoor!!! yikes! haha

i took took the basil and parsley out of the hydro yesterday.. roots looked killer for just ten days in the system...



i'd be tickled if i could grow some ganja roots like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i put the hebs outside on my porch in a junior earthbox.. close enough to indie for me.. they're not happy at all about being in soil!!! hahahaha

It’s funny how so many plants that used to be common in peoples back yards are no longer around. My mom was never into growing them, just flowers, but she looked after what already existed.

like how people spray poison down to remove dandelion.. it's food!!!!!!!!

Only took a generation to stop growing their own and just start buying from the grocery stores.

sad right? i read that most americans get their food from an average over 1500 miles away...

remember the days when a farmer dictated the size of the community? people now days don't even know what that means!

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we're getting close... beans are popping.. place is clean... water is topped off, ph is a little low since adding it but i ain't even gonna mess with it for now.




nothing stopping me now.. just a day or two till i count day 1...

 

[Bandit420]

I’ve been splitting and moving the herbs outside. Chives are doing great but they came with the house. I’m hoping once the mint is healthy I can put it beside the front steps. Reminds me of a simpler time. Rhubarb would be nice too if I find it.

It’s funny how so many plants that used to be common in peoples back yards are no longer around. My mom was never into growing them, just flowers, but she looked after what already existed.

Only took a generation to stop growing their own and just start buying from the grocery stores.

Nobody seems to take the time to become a steward of the land they sit on. Little to no thought about native plants, trees, and grasses.
HOA's dictating how land should look when they're often the worst idea for the planet then modern man believing the landscape should be half paved over and the other half a water guzzling non-native lawn.
Nobody giving a second thought to planting for wildlife or living in symbiosis with nature.
Just a world of consumption man. I could rant all day and show examples but then I'd just be in a bad mood all day.
Even the little things like people being a fucking litterbug can get to me on this.
Sorry for the rant it's just that leaving my little slice of planet better than how I found it is important to me and it's upsetting seeing what's been pissed away by people not even trying to take care of this planet as if there's a spare one in the garage we can pull out when this one goes kapooey.
One example I have...dipshit young tech couple new to my street and first time homeowners. They can tell you how to write code but cannot operate a lawnmower. What does dumb fuck do? Has a shitty developer lawn that's dead from neglect torn out and artificial turf put down. Dude then gets roped into hiring a subscription based lawn care company. Yeah he thinks you need still need to mow artificial turf.
So every Tuesday rain or shine, dumb fuck has a 5 man landscaping crew with riding mowers and gas leaf blowers polluting the air to maintain a plastic grass front yard. But hey, they drive a pair of Teslas so they're quick to tell you how they're saving the Earth for their kids' future by driving EVs.
Grrrr.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Even the little things like people being a fucking litterbug can get to me on this

I'd argue that this isn't a little thing...

I admit, I used to be a litterbug. No regard. Growing up in rural Kansas, you just never saw the trash accumulate so I was none the wiser.

I vividly remember my change of heart. I went out to southern California for a solar job, chasing the money. Just me and my dog.

It was Memorial day and I turned onto Veterans Memorial Highway, somewhere between Taft and Bakersfield. The amount of litter alongside Veterans Memorial Highway ON FUCKIN MEMORIAL DAY left me literally sick to my stomach. It was a poetic epiphany.

Now I look back on myself with a bit of disgust in my blatant disregard for Kansas' natural beauty and how easily it is to destroy. Thankfully I've changed tune. I'm now the guy that will get out to return the trash that some dipshit threw out his window at a red light.

So every Tuesday rain or shine, dumb fuck has a 5 man landscaping crew with riding mowers and gas leaf blowers polluting the air to maintain a plastic grass front yard.

This is straight up MIND BOGGLING

I'd be torn between saying something and just letting the dufus keep wasting his money. Like... in the nicest way possible... are they retarded?

 

[Zen_seeker]

i'm the same way i like to have a little of each inside and outside, sometimes i lose an indoor and need to tap off the outdoor!!! yikes! haha

My wife looks after most of the indoor plants, until she kills them.
She never feeds, usually over waters, or forgets about them. I’ll try to save one now and then but it’s just prolonging the inevitable.

i took took the basil and parsley out of the hydro yesterday.. roots looked killer for just ten days in the system...

Jelly, mine didn’t make it over the winter. Neither did the strawberries this time. My fault for leaving them in the wife’s care.

i'd be tickled if i could grow some ganja roots like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There’s your problem, your set for vegetables!

i put the hebs outside on my porch in a junior earthbox.. close enough to indie for me.. they're not happy at all about being in soil!!! hahahaha

I use our front stoop to harden off or get things going before planing in the gardens or crates. The mints there now but will be planted in ground ounce I know the aphids are gone.

like how people spray poison down to remove dandelion.. it's food!!!!!!!!

Every part but the puff ball. Willow eats the flowers I give her. Makes her coat look great. I’m not a fan of them myself but knew people that made wine and used them for salads. I don’t use poison for weeds but they are no longer sold up here anyway. I do think poison for some pests should still be sold though.

sad right? i read that most americans get their food from an average over 1500 miles away...

remember the days when a farmer dictated the size of the community? people now days don't even know what that means!

My wife won’t eat any meat not bought in a store. She’ll eat the veggies and fruits I grow though. I’m pretty sure she’s eaten the fish her father or I brought home but never any meat.

People are so stupid or ignorant that they won’t buy aged meat that’s darker in colour. So stores pack it in co2. Keeps it looking pink and fresh.

Fruit and vegetables get coatings sprayed on before shipping.

I’m sure we suffer no side effects from that practice.

we're getting close... beans are popping.. place is clean... water is topped off, ph is a little low since adding it but i ain't even gonna mess with it for now. nothing stopping me now.. just a day or two till i count day 1...

I have a little secret too…


Sshhh.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Nobody seems to take the time to become a steward of the land they sit on. Little to no thought about native plants, trees, and grasses.
HOA's dictating how land should look when they're often the worst idea for the planet then modern man believing the landscape should be half paved over and the other half a water guzzling non-native lawn.
Nobody giving a second thought to planting for wildlife or living in symbiosis with nature.
Just a world of consumption man. I could rant all day and show examples but then I'd just be in a bad mood all day.
Even the little things like people being a fucking litterbug can get to me on this.
Sorry for the rant it's just that leaving my little slice of planet better than how I found it is important to me and it's upsetting seeing what's been pissed away by people not even trying to take care of this planet as if there's a spare one in the garage we can pull out when this one goes kapooey.
One example I have...dipshit young tech couple new to my street and first time homeowners. They can tell you how to write code but cannot operate a lawnmower. What does dumb fuck do? Has a shitty developer lawn that's dead from neglect torn out and artificial turf put down. Dude then gets roped into hiring a subscription based lawn care company. Yeah he thinks you need still need to mow artificial turf.
So every Tuesday rain or shine, dumb fuck has a 5 man landscaping crew with riding mowers and gas leaf blowers polluting the air to maintain a plastic grass front yard. But hey, they drive a pair of Teslas so they're quick to tell you how they're saving the Earth for their kids' future by driving EVs.
Grrrr.

some people just deserve to get throat punched!

I'd argue that this isn't a little thing...

I admit, I used to be a litterbug. No regard. Growing up in rural Kansas, you just never saw the trash accumulate so I was none the wiser.

I vividly remember my change of heart. I went out to southern California for a solar job, chasing the money. Just me and my dog.

It was Memorial day and I turned onto Veterans Memorial Highway, somewhere between Taft and Bakersfield. The amount of litter alongside Veterans Memorial Highway ON FUCKIN MEMORIAL DAY left me literally sick to my stomach. It was a poetic epiphany.

Now I look back on myself with a bit of disgust in my blatant disregard for Kansas' natural beauty and how easily it is to destroy. Thankfully I've changed tune. I'm now the guy that will get out to return the trash that some dipshit threw out his window at a red light.

i'm a pretty evil dude when it comes to that.. i don't stand for it and when i see it i get pretty nasty. it brings out a part of me that i don't like but i bet they never do it again!!

i go from zero to prison in the blink of an eye when i see it.. i just see red and don't really care if it's a girl or a guy. pick your fuckin trash up or i'll make ya eat it!!!

My wife looks after most of the indoor plants, until she kills them.
She never feeds, usually over waters, or forgets about them. I’ll try to save one now and then but it’s just prolonging the inevitable.

hahaha you too huh??? got the same thing here... i don't touch these anymore!!!

here’s your problem, your set for vegetables!

hahaha.. i'm kinda surprised they did so good, from what i read they liked the ph more near 7 and i was under six the whole time. now if only i could eat mashed tators and pizza i could use them!!! doh!!

Every part but the puff ball. Willow eats the flowers I give her. Makes her coat look great. I’m not a fan of them myself but knew people that made wine and used them for salads. I don’t use poison for weeds but they are no longer sold up here anyway. I do think poison for some pests should still be sold though.

i've made shine from it...

around here we gotta pick it before may or it gets too bitter. but young first growth is awesome in salad!!

I have a little secret too…

Sshhh.

rock and fuckin roll!!!!!! what ya got there? i won't tell anybody!! haha

i like your swivel stool a lot man!!!!!! jelly jelly!!!!

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The Shine seedlings will go in the system tomorrow night!!! on friday the 13th!! chu chu chu chu-- hah hah hah hah

it's been suggested to me that i make this run all sterile just to take the water variable out of the equation and keep it simple. i'm all for this suggestion and think it would be good experience for me to do this at least once. i'll learn something out of it and it gives me more time to figure out my water situation so i can take advantage of sales and coupons!!

my peroxide level is around 3-5ppm right now so hopefully by tomorrow night it will be closer to zero and then i'll keep it ultra low for the babies.

i have some notes to lean on for the dosing of h2o2.. i know how much of the 12% i need in my system to get right where i want it.. i just need to get more comfortable on how it dissipates. it's not a direct line on the graph it has a slight curve to it.

one other thing i have in my pocket this time is i now know whatever this problem is/was, i now know it can be grown out of and i never waited long enough or fixed it early enough before. i have one of the hydro and one of the soil that both looked doomed and now they're recovered and growing again. so even if these get the issue i don't think i'll bail on them as quick.

we won't even think about that though... this grow is gonna be off the hook!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "do or do not, there is no try" ~ Yoda

 

[Zen_seeker]

Where to start…

G$ sent me a few GDP Autos he made. IDK why but he isn’t into growing them. But he thought they might be something I’d like. Observer, G$ and I talked about this since the farm. Looking forward to the experience. Just hope I get two or more female.

Our wives seem to have the same black thumb. One month they look fine and the next we have deficiencies or root issues. She really never feeds them. I gave her a bottle of 4:4:4 and told her to give a pinch once a month. Don’t think she ever touched it. I think the Benjamina is eating the terracotta pot it’s in to survive.

The stool was something I remember seeing in commercials years ago. One of the store I go to buys stock from companies going out of business. If you wait a bit that stuff will go on sale. I waited too long and could only find one that was an open box in ruff shape. Got it for about $10 iirc. Just had to assemble it. Only down side is the bottom collects dog hair and I’ve fallen backwards on it…twice.

I used to make beer, wine and sparkling wines. Still have a lot of the stuff from 30-40 years ago. Dandelion wine was just not what I was into. I picked them as a teenager for a friend’s father a few times but that’s about it. I used them to make KNF FPJ two years ago but hardly used any.

I’m waiting to hear what you finally find that has caused all the issues with these grows. I don’t think it’s bugs. But that’s just a gut feeling. Took a couple of years but G$ figured out that he needed more light to grow his clones. Ambient light wasn’t enough. I think you’re going to find it’s something simple that got changed and is just enough to cause your issue. You’ve got good people to bounce ideas off of. You’ll get it. Folllowed with a good laugh and kicking yourself in the ass a bit.

Can’t wait to see how the Shine goes.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Nobody seems to take the time to become a steward of the land they sit on. Little to no thought about native plants, trees, and grasses.
HOA's dictating how land should look when they're often the worst idea for the planet then modern man believing the landscape should be half paved over and the other half a water guzzling non-native lawn.
Nobody giving a second thought to planting for wildlife or living in symbiosis with nature.
Just a world of consumption man. I could rant all day and show examples but then I'd just be in a bad mood all day.
Even the little things like people being a fucking litterbug can get to me on this.
Sorry for the rant it's just that leaving my little slice of planet better than how I found it is important to me and it's upsetting seeing what's been pissed away by people not even trying to take care of this planet as if there's a spare one in the garage we can pull out when this one goes kapooey.
One example I have...dipshit young tech couple new to my street and first time homeowners. They can tell you how to write code but cannot operate a lawnmower. What does dumb fuck do? Has a shitty developer lawn that's dead from neglect torn out and artificial turf put down. Dude then gets roped into hiring a subscription based lawn care company. Yeah he thinks you need still need to mow artificial turf.
So every Tuesday rain or shine, dumb fuck has a 5 man landscaping crew with riding mowers and gas leaf blowers polluting the air to maintain a plastic grass front yard. But hey, they drive a pair of Teslas so they're quick to tell you how they're saving the Earth for their kids' future by driving EVs.
Grrrr.

You’ve got to be kidding. Mowing artificial turf!?! How can they not know plastic doesn’t grow?

I’ve seen it used on porches and balconies but not on dirt. Maybe at a driving range…

IDK if I’d say something or not. On one had it’s funny as hell. On the other hand it’s sad as fuck.

That also means his lawn care crew are crooks. Laughing all the way to the bank.

Over the last 40 years I’ve watched people go from mostly good and respectable people to entitled selfish asshats. We have a bus stop with a recycling station/garbage out front. Some leave their garbage on top of it or on our fence, or IN the shelter on the bench or ground.

Some I shame into cleaning it up but others don’t care and get on the bud leaving it. At least a quarter of these people are the transit workers. But if they don’t pick it up when I mention it I take their pic and say I’ll just report them. I get dirty looks but they pic their garbage up. Still happens but not as often by workers.

Just sad we live in a toilet now. My kids don’t pollute. They might forget to empty their pockets into the garbage when home but they don’t toss it or leave it lying around. Just wish my wife wouldn’t toss cigarette buts sometimes. I’ve put water bottles outside for her but once in a while she’ll still flick it over the fence.

 

[Bandit420]

I'd argue that this isn't a little thing...

I admit, I used to be a litterbug. No regard. Growing up in rural Kansas, you just never saw the trash accumulate so I was none the wiser.

I vividly remember my change of heart. I went out to southern California for a solar job, chasing the money. Just me and my dog.

It was Memorial day and I turned onto Veterans Memorial Highway, somewhere between Taft and Bakersfield. The amount of litter alongside Veterans Memorial Highway ON FUCKIN MEMORIAL DAY left me literally sick to my stomach. It was a poetic epiphany.

Now I look back on myself with a bit of disgust in my blatant disregard for Kansas' natural beauty and how easily it is to destroy. Thankfully I've changed tune. I'm now the guy that will get out to return the trash that some dipshit threw out his window at a red light.


This is straight up MIND BOGGLING

I'd be torn between saying something and just letting the dufus keep wasting his money. Like... in the nicest way possible... are they retarded?

You’ve got to be kidding. Mowing artificial turf!?! How can they not know plastic doesn’t grow?

I’ve seen it used on porches and balconies but not on dirt. Maybe at a driving range…

IDK if I’d say something or not. On one had it’s funny as hell. On the other hand it’s sad as fuck.

That also means his lawn care crew are crooks. Laughing all the way to the bank.

Over the last 40 years I’ve watched people go from mostly good and respectable people to entitled selfish asshats. We have a bus stop with a recycling station/garbage out front. Some leave their garbage on top of it or on our fence, or IN the shelter on the bench or ground.

Some I shame into cleaning it up but others don’t care and get on the bud leaving it. At least a quarter of these people are the transit workers. But if they don’t pick it up when I mention it I take their pic and say I’ll just report them. I get dirty looks but they pic their garbage up. Still happens but not as often by workers.

Just sad we live in a toilet now. My kids don’t pollute. They might forget to empty their pockets into the garbage when home but they don’t toss it or leave it lying around. Just wish my wife wouldn’t toss cigarette buts sometimes. I’ve put water bottles outside for her but once in a while she’ll still flick it over the fence.

I'm watching them mow artificial turf this morning
All the worker does is ride that mower around fast AF laughing about it.
I think every neighbor has talked to them and we're at that point where they know they've been scammed.
When they moved in, they didn't know how to take care of the yard. The leaves from a tree were an issue and that's when they hired a landscape company to take care of the leaves and grass.
Later they had the tree on their property cut down to eliminate the leaves. That was the first big WTF are you doing event.
Up until then the landscapers weren't really noticed because all the tech workers hire them so it's pretty normal in that circle of people to not mow your own grass. For some, they move every two years so it makes sense to hire out for that work and not buy mowers etc. I get that.
But these folks are 4 years in now and seem to want to stay so they're making the property their own.
Part of that, instead of learn how to manage that bit of land, they put the plastic grass down yet were not able to cancel the landscape work subscription so until that contract expires, they get the landscape work done on artificial turf. Landscape company will still come because they won't break the contract.
Even right now I'm seeing another neighbor go over there and ask the landscaping crew to shut it down. They'll stop because this is the routine but they have to show up and unload the equipment and start working before they can be asked to stop. That's where other neighbors have such an issue because the guy or wife won't come out to tell the workers to stop. A neighbor always has to do it

 

[Stoneyluv]

Where to start…

G$ sent me a few GDP Autos he made. IDK why but he isn’t into growing them. But he thought they might be something I’d like. Observer, G$ and I talked about this since the farm. Looking forward to the experience. Just hope I get two or more female.

very cool!!!!!! i love when it has a little sentimental value to it!!!!

Our wives seem to have the same black thumb. One month they look fine and the next we have deficiencies or root issues. She really never feeds them. I gave her a bottle of 4:4:4 and told her to give a pinch once a month. Don’t think she ever touched it. I think the Benjamina is eating the terracotta pot it’s in to survive.

that on made me laugh pretty good man!! you should try and break a bite looking piece off and tell her that it ate it!!!!! hahahaha
i'm a fucker as a prankster sometims and it would be something i would do... years ago i had my woman looking for turn signal fluid!! hahaha

Only down side is the bottom collects dog hair and I’ve fallen backwards on it…twice.

nevermind, i ain't jely no mo!!!

I used to make beer, wine and sparkling wines. Still have a lot of the stuff from 30-40 years ago. Dandelion wine was just not what I was into. I picked them as a teenager for a friend’s father a few times but that’s about it. I used them to make KNF FPJ two years ago but hardly used any.

i made wine for the first time with some of Grannies help. it turned out great but i don't know anyone that really likes wine. i give eggs to a lady down the road and she said it was good but too strong.. haha thats what happens when a moonshiner makes wine!!!! hahaha got legs like a supermodel!!! i have like a case and a half here.. i might add it to the peach brandy run this summer. thats the best part about a still, if booze is in there you can get out out!!

I’m waiting to hear what you finally find that has caused all the issues with these grows. I don’t think it’s bugs. But that’s just a gut feeling. Took a couple of years but G$ figured out that he needed more light to grow his clones. Ambient light wasn’t enough. I think you’re going to find it’s something simple that got changed and is just enough to cause your issue. You’ve got good people to bounce ideas off of. You’ll get it. Folllowed with a good laugh and kicking yourself in the ass a bit.

me too!!!!!!!!!!!!! i might not really know till i get the water tested. as of right now i believe it a bacteria or virus in my water and/or the air, maybe both. i've shotgunned this by cleaning the water and zapping the surface and air.

SO... if my problem goes away then i know it's one of those two. if it doesn't go away and i still have issues in three weeks then.... uhhh uhh uummm uhhh.... haha (again do or do not, there is no try!)

either way we'll all know in about three to four weeks.

AND... this will also be a hydro versus soil grow off!! i got skin in both games!!!

I'm watching them mow artificial turf this morning
All the worker does is ride that mower around fast AF laughing about it.
I think every neighbor has talked to them and we're at that point where they know they've been scammed.
When they moved in, they didn't know how to take care of the yard. The leaves from a tree were an issue and that's when they hired a landscape company to take care of the leaves and grass.
Later they had the tree on their property cut down to eliminate the leaves. That was the first big WTF are you doing event.
Up until then the landscapers weren't really noticed because all the tech workers hire them so it's pretty normal in that circle of people to not mow your own grass. For some, they move every two years so it makes sense to hire out for that work and not buy mowers etc. I get that.
But these folks are 4 years in now and seem to want to stay so they're making the property their own.
Part of that, instead of learn how to manage that bit of land, they put the plastic grass down yet were not able to cancel the landscape work subscription so until that contract expires, they get the landscape work done on artificial turf. Landscape company will still come because they won't break the contract.
Even right now I'm seeing another neighbor go over there and ask the landscaping crew to shut it down. They'll stop because this is the routine but they have to show up and unload the equipment and start working before they can be asked to stop. That's where other neighbors have such an issue because the guy or wife won't come out to tell the workers to stop. A neighbor always has to do it

what a total shit show this sounds like.. who knows wtf happened right??? asshats move in and instead of asking neighbors and friends what to d they ask a company that takes money for advice. of coarse the company is gonna rip them off, pretty much 80% of all lawn care companies in america are thieves!! they get like $2 a minute here!!!

so they shafted by the lawn care place and obviously got suckered i mean you said they drive a tesla so they must be a custom to getting suckered. so they probably feel since they can't think for themselves and can't get out of the contract, and who knows maybe they were real jerks to the lawn place and they hold to the pen. so they figure if they can't get out of it then let the company waste all the time and expense. their way of getting even for being assholes... who the fuck knows right? stupidity breeds stupidity and you don't even wanna hear about it!!!

Bandit's like just let me out of it and let me grow my ganja in peace you fucktards!!! get out here before i sicc Wednesday on your ass'!!! hahaha

 

[Stoneyluv]

here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

day one... (do over)

genetics - The Shine - Captain Redbeard

lights - California Light Works SS550 x2
spectrum - 10 Red, 15 white, 30 Blue

Nutes - GH Trio, Calimagic, Agsil16

water temp 70°
air temp 78°
rh 62%
pH 5.7
EC 210ppm
h2o2 1ppm

 

[GrumpAzz]

Let's fucking GOOO