First Sativa Grow - Panama - BudBuilders

[SweetLeafGrow]

Greetings Fellow Bud Builders!

Super stoked about my next upcoming grow, gonna give a go at a 100% Sativa for the first time. Not sure if I am getting in over my head but doing this as much for the fun of it as I am doing it for meds.

As soon as the Mrs. finishes up in the 3x3 with the single site RDWC and the Mendel's Tropic of Censor, I plan to have this girl ready to go in that system at the earliest possible date. Decided to go with some beans I got from Ace Seeds and the strain is an old school landrace called Panama Red. I know next to nothing about the strain other than it's a pretty famous landrace that will go 11 -12 weeks in flower. I will most likely have to work hard at getting this one trained low to avoid running out of headroom with a stretchy Sativa.

The plan is to germinate one seed in 1:1 solution of H2O2 and RO water for 14-16 hours, then transfer to a paper towel. Once I've got a tap root, I will put it in a rapid rooter and into my veg hydro system I recently built where it will stay until the Mendel ToC finishes.

And.....Here we go!

 

[steamroller]

IN~!
I remember my brothers having the real Panama Red .
Can't wait to see how this goes.
You got it going on so it ought to be stellar.

 

[Neueregel]

IN~!
I remember my brothers having the real Panama Red .
Can't wait to see how this goes.
You got it going on so it ought to be stellar.

I'll follow this. can't wait to see her finished product. is this a good place for seed's?

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

is this a good place for seed's?

I've heard nothing but good about Ace Seeds.

 

[GoodShit97]

Man im gonna watch this one for sure, im really curios about the outcome.
I have strawberry cough, an 80% sativa and the last one took just iver 16 weeks to finish. Really really enjoyable smoke, just not sure i enjoy a flowering period that's the same as an indica seed to harvest lol.

Best of luck tho brother

 

[Neueregel]

I've heard nothing but good about Ace Seeds.

Thanks. hope your grow is plentiful

 

[MDK]

I've heard it is some of the more psycho active weed from interviews with those who smoked the real stuff

 

[growsinse79]

Greetings Fellow Bud Builders!

Super stoked about my next upcoming grow, gonna give a go at a 100% Sativa for the first time. Not sure if I am getting in over my head but doing this as much for the fun of it as I am doing it for meds.

As soon as the Mrs. finishes up in the 3x3 with the single site RDWC and the Mendel's Tropic of Censor, I plan to have this girl ready to go in that system at the earliest possible date. Decided to go with some beans I got from Ace Seeds and the strain is an old school landrace called Panama Red. I know next to nothing about the strain other than it's a pretty famous landrace that will go 11 -12 weeks in flower. I will most likely have to work hard at getting this one trained low to avoid running out of headroom with a stretchy Sativa.

The plan is to germinate one seed in 1:1 solution of H2O2 and RO water for 14-16 hours, then transfer to a paper towel. Once I've got a tap root, I will put it in a rapid rooter and into my veg hydro system I recently built where it will stay until the Mendel ToC finishes.

And.....Here we go!View attachment 4659

GL man, can't wait to see what they do.

 

[Neueregel]

IN~!
I remember my brothers having the real Panama Red .
Can't wait to see how this goes.
You got it going on so it ought to be stellar.

I remember Panama red from years ago. would love some of this.

 

[Nesta]

Pulling up a chair . Lets go SLG! Keep a cut along the way

 

[smoke]

Greetings Fellow Bud Builders!

Super stoked about my next upcoming grow, gonna give a go at a 100% Sativa for the first time. Not sure if I am getting in over my head but doing this as much for the fun of it as I am doing it for meds.

As soon as the Mrs. finishes up in the 3x3 with the single site RDWC and the Mendel's Tropic of Censor, I plan to have this girl ready to go in that system at the earliest possible date. Decided to go with some beans I got from Ace Seeds and the strain is an old school landrace called Panama Red. I know next to nothing about the strain other than it's a pretty famous landrace that will go 11 -12 weeks in flower. I will most likely have to work hard at getting this one trained low to avoid running out of headroom with a stretchy Sativa.

The plan is to germinate one seed in 1:1 solution of H2O2 and RO water for 14-16 hours, then transfer to a paper towel. Once I've got a tap root, I will put it in a rapid rooter and into my veg hydro system I recently built where it will stay until the Mendel ToC finishes.

And.....Here we go!View attachment 4659

I smoked what was called panama red back 72 73

Thinking your going to need a taller tent

 

[smoke]

Pulling up a chair . Lets go SLG! Keep a cut along the way

You know now that you said clones, i was planning to start my next run in july.

Let me know if youll have some cuts

 

[Amnesia]

I love sativa & will be watching. Happy growing!

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Let me know if youll have some cuts

I will make some clones for you brother, no problem.

 

[steamroller]

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

So this seed popped the day after it was put in the paper towel and then just died, finally just tossed it today. I think it was my fault because I forgot to put it some place dark after I put it in the paper towel, dumb ass mistake.

Anyhow, got another one started and also popping a seed from Ethos called Mandarin Sunset that will be grown by the mrs., her Tropic of Censor is almost finished.

 

[CannaGranny]

This is Panama Red in bloom. Tiny tiny leaves. Pistils are bright red too. I grew this a few years back. Was pretty, but I really did not like the buzz.

 

[Garbage_bear]

View attachment 7017View attachment 7018This is Panama Red in bloom. Tiny tiny leaves. Pistils are bright red too. I grew this a few years back. Was pretty, but I really did not like the buzz.

Was it not potent? I always wonder about these old strains that were fire back in the day. Were they fire because we didn't have any tolerance to the "stronger" weed of today? I remember smoking stuff that literally made me hallucinate back in the day. "Super strong weed" that actually probably was the equivalent to hemp lol. But once in a while I would get that one hit shit that sure seemed stronger than anything I smoke today.

 

[CannaGranny]

Was it not potent? I always wonder about these old strains that were fire back in the day. Were they fire because we didn't have any tolerance to the "stronger" weed of today? I remember smoking stuff that literally made me hallucinate back in the day. "Super strong weed" that actually probably was the equivalent to hemp lol. But once in a while I would get that one hit shit that sure seemed stronger than anything I smoke today.

Not what I expected. Like you, I smoked some of this years ago that would literally twilight you. Thinking it was just me with a high tolerance, I gave it all away, no one else cared for it either.
Pretty plant, unusual and very colorful, but that’s where it stopped for me.

 

[Garbage_bear]

Not what I expected. Like you, I smoked some of this years ago that would literally twilight you. Thinking it was just me with a high tolerance, I gave it all away, no one else cared for it either.
Pretty plant, unusual and very colorful, but that’s where it stopped for me

Maybe someone needs to take these legacy strains and re work them to the standard of todays weed.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Maybe someone needs to take these legacy strains and re work them to the standard of todays weed.

A lot of folks think THAT is the problem and all these old school landrace strains have all but disappeared because of today's breeding practices.

I'm not sure I would argue with that.

 

[growsinse79]

A lot of folks think THAT is the problem and all these old school landrace strains have all but disappeared because of today's breeding practices.

I'm not sure I would argue with tha

There's plenty of landrace strains, its just that most people don't want to or can't grow them. Even if you are successful, they probably won't be as good as if they were grown in the natural habitat. Once you breed it outside the natural environment, it's no longer landrace- the new seeds will not be the same as the ones made in the natural habitat.
Seriously, who wants to wait 20 weeks for light airy mediocre buds? I do it for fun, but when I need to fill the jars, I grow strains made for indoors.

 

[CannaGranny]

Maybe someone needs to take these legacy strains and re work them to the standard of todays weed.

Yeah well I have one of those experiments going right now. It’s quite laughable.
I had some full on African Durban. She was a bigggg girl. A friend sent a clone of her to the West coast for a breeding project. The idea was to make her shorter and bushier as well as tighten the bud a bit. She was crossed with a heavy indica called White Ice.
Shes in my veg room, standing at 5’9”. The change? She has huge indica leaves!

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

So I think I posted previously that the first try at this failed. Got another seed started and this one is a success! Going to get another diary for her companion which is the Mandarin Sunset by Ethos.

They started to stretch a bit and @MrsSweetLeaf boosted em up a bit for me while I am out of town, not sure what the PPFD is atm but was around 100 when I left them yesterday after they had popped the surface.

So far, so good.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

 

[Max]

I’m in..all the best SLG..I’m dabbing in the sativa side this grow aswell.our girls are going to grow up together

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

I’m in..all the best SLG..I’m dabbing in the sativa side this grow aswell.our girls are going to grow up together

Hell yea bro, can't wait to see what we can do with these. What strain are you going to run?

 

[Max]

Zamal dreams.Jeff used a zamadelica mom x his heavy budded orange dreams to thicken up the loose buds and beefed up the branching..cant wait to see how these grow..

 

[Buzzking]

So I think I posted previously that the first try at this failed. Got another seed started and this one is a success! Going to get another diary for her companion which is the Mandarin Sunset by Ethos.

They started to stretch a bit and @MrsSweetLeaf boosted em up a bit for me while I am out of town, not sure what the PPFD is atm but was around 100 when I left them yesterday after they had popped the surface.

So far, so good.

Pulling up a chair. Good luck SLG!

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

OK, so I got the Mendel grow finished up and got that system all cleaned and ready to go. Getting ready to load the res but could use a bit of guidance to get this seedling dialed in. I'm thinking 250 ppm of 1:1:1 GH ratios. I know I should be better at this but I have a few questions before I move forward building this res.

First, my RO tank has been getting contaminated from somewhere, not sure where but fresh RO out of the tank is >40 but after it sits for some time, it's sitting at about 100. Best I can do at this time so I am also concerned about cal/mag and how much to add. I was looking over a chart for nutrient uptake at various times.

According to this chart, cal/mag is not needed much until week 2-3 flower? I assume I cannot eliminate cal/mag from this res but if I give 5 ml per gallon, I won't have any room for nutrients. So my question is how much cal/mag for this seedlng? Also, should I build the res with AgSil as I normally would?

Here is a photo of the seedling. She stretched a bit that first night she popped, I lowered the light and raised the intensity and stopped the stretch. Will bury that stem in hydroton once I get the system prepared.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

I know everyone is super busy so didn't want to bother, I think I know what to do so went for it.

Starting with 100 ppm and 7.8 pH, total water volume about 12 gallons, I ph'd down to 6.1, did not add any silica. Then I added 100 ppm cal/mag which ended up being 14 ml. Then I dosed 24 ml Hydgrozyme enzymes, then 1:1:1 GH trio, to bring the ppm up to 300, was 10 ml each brown, green, and pink. Finally, 24 ml Hydroguard, set the light height and ppfd to 175. Temp around 74F and RH 60% but climbing.

 

[Neueregel]

I know everyone is super busy so didn't want to bother, I think I know what to do so went for it.

Starting with 100 ppm and 7.8 pH, total water volume about 12 gallons, I ph'd down to 6.1, did not add any silica. Then I added 100 ppm cal/mag which ended up being 14 ml. Then I dosed 24 ml Hydgrozyme enzymes, then 1:1:1 GH trio, to bring the ppm up to 300, was 10 ml each brown, green, and pink. Finally, 24 ml Hydroguard, set the light height and ppfd to 175. Temp around 74F and RH 60% but climbing.View attachment 8712View attachment 8714View attachment 8713View attachment 8715

i like your set up sweet leaf. I'm a soil guy but looking at different ways to grow.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

i like your set up sweet leaf. I'm a soil guy but looking at different ways to grow.

Thanks! Yea, I started in soil but needed to step up my production so I went RDWC. It's a great setup, bit of an investment but worth it IMO.

Now if I can just learn how to drive this thing!

I'm getting better and hoping this grow is a tipping point for me in the right direction.

 

[Anthem275]

Turn the light down about 33 percent and lower the PPM. Cal mag can come later. Curly leaves means something is wrong.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Thanks Anthem, gotta be the light. They were curly before I put them in the system with no nutes at all in the tray. Must have been a bit too much for it when I turned it up to stop it from stretching.

Will dial that light back some and keep a good eye on her.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Getting updates today and this plant is chugging along, albeit disappointingly slow. I know they are always slow as seedlings but this one seems a bit slower than I remember for a hydro start. Roots have been touched down for a couple of days at this point but up top she still seems to be struggling.....twisted leaves and a bit of brown here and there. I have dialed the light back as far as it will go in intensity and sitting about 20-24" above....just waiting for the roots to get a bit more established and to take off up top a bit better. The res has been fairly stable, a very slight rise in pH and no change in ppms.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Getting an update on this grow today. This plant is chugging along without a chiller and I have noticed the plants just don't do as well. Is what it is at this time, I don't have the cash to throw down for a new chiller, may have to go sterile if the res temps keep staying so high.

Growth up top and in the root zone has been somewhat lethargic but seems to be picking up. One thing of note to me is the fat fans, this is supposed to be a Sativa so that was a bit of a surprise. I have never grown a Sativa so perhaps this is how they are in the beginning, I dunno, time will tell.

The other thing I have never seen before is two consecutive sets of 3 leaflet fans. I'm guessing this plant has been stressed, perhaps because of the res temps being too high.

Other than that, not much to report on this grow, still way early.

 

[MDK]

I've heard of some older strains just having 3 finger leaves before

Think it may even be chem dawg 91 I heard that about.

What's the price on a chiller roughly dude?

 

[Costanza]

Not sure how I missed this journal , good luck on this grow. I'm growing a sativa for the first time on my current run and what I've been noticing is that they like to be fed lighter than the indicas and like it a little cooler. I noticed tip burn on mine sooner than the hybrids and Indicas and they seem to be a little pickier.

 

[Oldsog]

Ace seeds came mostly from work he did with Charlie Garcia from Cannabiogen. I grew cannabiogen Panama red x deep chunk. Very nice plants. I have 1 outside enjoying the socal summer