First Sativa Grow - Panama - BudBuilders

[SweetLeafGrow]

What's the price on a chiller roughly dude?

They can go for between 200 for a cheap one to 400 for a good used one. The two I have were used and in that 400 dollar range.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Never thought a Sativa would start out looking like this!

 

[MDK]

Wider leaf than you expected?

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Wider leaf than you expected?

Yup. Did not expect that.

 

[GoodShit97]

Never thought a Sativa would start out looking like this!View attachment 11689

That does have wider leaves than id expect for a 100% sativa.
I have a Girl Scout Cookie thats a 60/40 indica dominant and has super narrow sativa like leaves. Its thrown me off since it started

 

[growsinse79]

Yup. Did not expect that.

I'll bet you they get thinner as they get closer to flower.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

I'll bet you they get thinner as they get closer to flower.

This is kinda what I was hoping to hear. Thanks 79

 

[growsinse79]

This is kinda what I was hoping to hear. Thanks 79

It looks legit to me so far.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

I'm growing a sativa for the first time on my current run and what I've been noticing is that they like to be fed lighter than the indicas and like it a little cooler.

Thanks for this bit of info rocj. I'm currently running about 350 ppm (I'm in hydro) and she seems to me to be a bit hungry. I know it's a fine line and I am learning when things need to be stepped up from seedling to veg numbers. Thinking it might be time to step it up with this gal but will probably wait a bit longer. She seems to be finally taking off a bit after a slow start.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

This gal is chugging along, making an entry for @MrsSweetLeaf, this is her girl. We've topped the main stem above the 5th node, side branching is catching up but there has been a bit of stretching that I would not like to see. We raised the intensity of the light slightly to hopefully get her the ppfd she wants. I am thinking I will top a few more of these taller branches to let the rest catch up and do a bit of LST in the next few days.

Running low ppms with early veg ratios from the GH chart, cal/mag and agsil 16, and hydroguard, no chiller, water temps hitting 80F+ during warm days, some slight discoloration on some of the upper roots but the lower stuff is nice and pearly white. Roots are not as vigorous as I am used to seeing but something I have noticed when not using a chiller in this system.

If anyone has experience with a 100% Sativa and have advice, I am all ears. I don't want to run out of head room here if this gal decides she wants to stretch big. I am thinking that perhaps I may need to flip this way sooner than I would normally? I can definitely do a bunch more LST and keep her short for the time being if needed.

 

[growsinse79]

This gal is chugging along, making an entry for @MrsSweetLeaf, this is her girl. We've topped the main stem above the 5th node, side branching is catching up but there has been a bit of stretching that I would not like to see. We raised the intensity of the light slightly to hopefully get her the ppfd she wants. I am thinking I will top a few more of these taller branches to let the rest catch up and do a bit of LST in the next few days.

Running low ppms with early veg ratios from the GH chart, cal/mag and agsil 16, and hydroguard, no chiller, water temps hitting 80F+ during warm days, some slight discoloration on some of the upper roots but the lower stuff is nice and pearly white. Roots are not as vigorous as I am used to seeing but something I have noticed when not using a chiller in this system.

If anyone has experience with a 100% Sativa and have advice, I am all ears. I don't want to run out of head room here if this gal decides she wants to stretch big. I am thinking that perhaps I may need to flip this way sooner than I would normally? I can definitely do a bunch more LST and keep her short for the time being if needed.View attachment 13619View attachment 13620View attachment 13621View attachment 13622View attachment 13623

Next time I do a Sativa, I think I will do a 16 top mainline. I think it might be the way to go.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Next time I do a Sativa, I think I will do a 16 top mainline. I think it might be the way to go.

Would this be where you bend the main stem horizontal and then allow 16 branches to create the canopy?

 

[growsinse79]

Would this be where you bend the main stem horizontal and then allow 16 branches to create the canopy?

No, I mean top 4 times to make 16 equal colas. i might have the terms wrong idk.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

No, I mean top 4 times to make 16 equal colas. i might have the terms wrong idk.

I've noticed you seem to flip these Sativas way earlier than I would have guessed. Is this a common thing when growing Sativa's? Does one have to think differently and not try to grow them like an Indica when growing indoors?

 

[growsinse79]

I've noticed you seem to flip these Sativas way earlier than I would have guessed. Is this a common thing when growing Sativa's? Does one have to think differently and not try to grow them like an Indica when growing indoors?

It depends. A equatorial Sativa never gets much more than 12 hour days. A northern Mexican Sativa gets longer days and won't stretch as much after the flip. I would think a landrace Panama Red would be about like Colombian. Once they breed it indoors a couple times, it not landrace and might be a lot different. IDK the history on yours, but it sure didn't take long to get alternating nodes.

 

[growsinse79]

I couldn't find any landrace panama red on the Ace site, they do have an acclimatized hybrid.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

I couldn't find any landrace panama red on the Ace site, they do have an acclimatized hybrid.

These are the seeds I bought.

Panama. Feminized seeds. Panama Red. ACE Seeds

Panama feminized. Panama seeds. Panama feminized seeds. Panama sativa seeds. Panama landrace. Panama Red. Panama red seeds. pure sativa seeds. 100 % sativa seeds. Central American sativa seeds. powerful and high yielding sativa strain. ACE Seeds.

www.aceseeds.org

I did not notice but they have been "adapted" for indoor conditions. Excellent. Thanks bro for all the knowledge

 

[growsinse79]

These are the seeds I bought.

Panama. Feminized seeds. Panama Red. ACE Seeds

Panama feminized. Panama seeds. Panama feminized seeds. Panama sativa seeds. Panama landrace. Panama Red. Panama red seeds. pure sativa seeds. 100 % sativa seeds. Central American sativa seeds. powerful and high yielding sativa strain. ACE Seeds.

www.aceseeds.org

I did not notice but they have been "adapted" for indoor conditions. Excellent. Thanks bro for all the knowledge

They probably bred the fastest and best structured plants, so you can actually grow it to maturity indoors.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

IDK the history on yours, but it sure didn't take long to get alternating nodes.

I agree here, something I noticed as well. Would you take that as a sign that would be ready to flip at any time? I would say yes, off the top of my head she seems like a mature plant at this point, most of the fans are 7 leaflets as well.

We want to get her spread out a bit more and normally do that a lot more before the flip on the Indicas and hybrids but perhaps I can do that after the flip with a Sativa because of head room issues? Perhaps I let her go a bit wild and then scrog her down @CannaGranny style, which I am going to learn asap? Not sure how to handle this and just looking for others experiences with a Sativa. Not going to stress it though, this is @MrsSweetLeaf's grow and for fun so we're gonna keep it fun.

Here is the growing tips from the Ace Seeds website-

Excellent adaptability to indoor growing.
Very suitable for SOG crops due to its great yield in the main cola, or for SCROG, horizontal or network growing due to its excellent yield in the lateral branches and its vigorous reaction to pruning.

Outdoors, it is a very adaptable plant that has been grown for years in hot climates, and in climates with a mild start of autumn.

Genetic analyses show that Panama has a unique and uncommon genotype, of moderate genetic variability. Panama is one of the best pure sativas available for the development of very powerful, aromatic, resinous and high yielding hybrids, with moderate flowering time and with excellent adaptability to indoor growing.

It accepts high levels of nutrients, producing an enormous harvest when the conditions are adequate.

I had forgotten about this, I'm going to start to bring that ppm level up tomorrow and see how she responds. I had been thinking she looked a bit hungry but I'm majorly gun shy about over feeding at the moment so I've resisted giving this plant anything except a bit of cal/mag the other day, but, thinking it might be time to go into early veg with the nutrients and bump that number up.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

I got in and did the first low stress training on this plant today. Pulled a couple of the larger fans, and some lower branching as well. I bumped the PPMs up to 500, going to see how it takes that the breeder says that it’s a heavy feeder, so I’m going to experiment with that

My thoughts are that once I have a fairly decent canopy I’m gonna flip this one fairly soon.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Short update on the Panama. She has been doing just OK mostly because my time has been so limited lately. I wanted to do some work on her today but ran out of time, going to take care of this one tomorrow with a new metal trellis, gonna push this gal down as far as I can, maybe even top the livin crap outta her, got reign this gal in. Been dealing with a bit of deficiencies and bumped ppms up today, will evaluate this tomorrow but I think it will be a good move.

Then I am going to wrestle her down and get her ready to flip.

 

[MDK]

Looks like she will fill your space nicely dude! Rock on!

 

[Cool_Beans]

Beauty

 

[Rootsruler]

First time I smoked PR was in Costa Rica. I was staying at a small resort on the east coast of CR and the owner invited my exwife and I up to his loft. We smoked some of his PR. From what I remember it had heavy sativa qualities.

I'm pretty sure the owner was trying to bang my ex. He kept sending his assistant to our cabina to see if we needed anything. I think he was trying to find my ex alone to try and convince her to go see the owner for whatever BS reason.

Did you get this cultivar from a clone or seeds? If seeds where did you buy them? I liked the PR.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Did you get this cultivar from a clone or seeds? If seeds where did you buy them? I liked the PR.

Started from seed from Ace Seeds. I had to have a friend from Spain get them for me and then send them my way.

 

[Rootsruler]

Started from seed from Ace Seeds. I had to have a friend from Spain get them for me and then send them my way.

Are you planning on seeding them anytime soon?

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Are you planning on seeding them anytime soon?

Not sure what you mean by this bro. This plant is from the pack I got from Spain last year.

I did not get in yesterday but did everything today. I made my metal trellis and installed it and treated it like a scrog, pushed this gal down low and pulled everything horizontal. Not the ideal CannaGranny scrog, but I am borrowing some of her techniques. This plant had been topped twice and LST outward early on but then I did not do much with it until today.

I am still seeing some deficiencies but a little puzzled with some other signs of excess. I'm thinking I'm a bit out of balance on nitrogen and calmag (short) and been running fairly low ppms in the res. Breeder says this strain is a heavy feeder so thinking I'm going to test that out, this plant looks hungry to me.

Gonna change out the res with early bloom ratios and flip this gal very soon but want to see her in a bit better shape.

 

[smoke]

Looks good, you need to slow down so she can catch up. 7 days from now you won't recognize her

 

[Rootsruler]

Are the seeds feminized? If not do you plan on making seeds by pollinating a branch or the whole plant if you get males?

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Oh ok, gotcha. Yes they are feminized and I did not have any plans to make seeds. I still have some GDP pollen, you might be giving me ideas.

 

[MDK]

Oh ok, gotcha. Yes they are feminized and I did not have any plans to make seeds. I still have some GDP pollen, you might be giving me ideas.

I've been getting more into the idea of finding a couple nice females and reversing one onto the other, sounds like a fun project. Finding a bad ass male or two is real appealing as well no lie.

I'm hoping to find a nice girl out of that aether x gdp. I'm going to clone the females and keep them going until the smoke report can come in on them....then make my selection based on that...hopefully something crucial pops out...will send you a clone or cut back if I find some magic. Taking my time getting to the seeds tho, trying to figure out an arrangement to keep the males as well...

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Not a lot to report today other than she still seems a bit hungry, running around 700 ppm and pH has been super stable after a few days of steady rise, it's settled down and staying pretty constant. I flipped to 12/12 on the first of the month, not sure how long it will take this gal to start showing blossoms but we'll be watching.

Proud of @MrsSweetLeaf, who is getting the hang of things while I am out of town. It's helped a lot that I seem to be finding my stride with the help I got from @Anthem275 and using the pH/EC imbalance chart. All three of our grows are now dialed in, EC staying constant, plants drinking a lot, and pH stable or a very slight rise.

This has been a ground breaking discovery for me in my hydro training so I wanted to give a big thanks for your help with this Anthem! Also thanks to @smoke and @Moe.Red who also helped me figure this out. I did not realize how significant a difference it is when you have an auto top of vs. topping off every day. I was trying to combine both styles of growing and also making some other over feeding errors. I think these have all been corrected and I may be graduating to 200 level classes now

 

[Rootsruler]

Not a lot to report today other than she still seems a bit hungry, running around 700 ppm and pH has been super stable after a few days of steady rise, it's settled down and staying pretty constant. I flipped to 12/12 on the first of the month, not sure how long it will take this gal to start showing blossoms but we'll be watching.

Proud of @MrsSweetLeaf, who is getting the hang of things while I am out of town. It's helped a lot that I seem to be finding my stride with the help I got from @Anthem275 and using the pH/EC imbalance chart. All three of our grows are now dialed in, EC staying constant, plants drinking a lot, and pH stable or a very slight rise.

This has been a ground breaking discovery for me in my hydro training so I wanted to give a big thanks for your help with this Anthem! Also thanks to @smoke and @Moe.Red who also helped me figure this out. I did not realize how significant a difference it is when you have an auto top of vs. topping off every day. I was trying to combine both styles of growing and also making some other over feeding errors. I think these have all been corrected and I may be graduating to 200 level classes now View attachment 16597View attachment 16598View attachment 16599View attachment 16600

Looking good Mrs. SLG!!!

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

This plant is starting to scare me Flipped to flower almost a week ago and she is still throwing nearly symmetrical nodes and I am wondering just how much this gal is going to be stretching. I'm ready to do some super mainlining if needed when I start running out of HEADROOM!

I've got to find some time to get in there today and do some de-branching and defoliation but mainly I am trying to figure out the balance in the water. I bumped ppms up to around 700 previously and she did not respond in the water like I had hoped, ph diving hard on me. I've since brought ppms down to 575 and still fighting the diving ph, although it does seem to be slowing down a bit on the ph dive.

The dilemma I am facing is the water seems to indicate I have an imbalance of too much nutrients, yet I am seeing a lot of paleness in the growth. I have learned that that paleness is not always a sign of deficiency so I am thinking this is a genetic trait like the Mendel strains where they were very pale in veg. Everything, I think anyway, looks great otherwise, some good growth, praying fans and fairly healthy looking overall cept'n the paleness. The main stem reminds me of a tree trunk, will have to get a photo of that.

I am thinking I might dilute the res down again to get in that 500 ppm range and see how the water is behaving at that time.

 

[Rootsruler]

The Moonglow I harvested a month ago was the same. It was just inherently yellow. I upped cal/mag and it greened up some.

 

[growsinse79]

This plant is starting to scare me Flipped to flower almost a week ago and she is still throwing nearly symmetrical nodes and I am wondering just how much this gal is going to be stretching. I'm ready to do some super mainlining if needed when I start running out of HEADROOM!

I've got to find some time to get in there today and do some de-branching and defoliation but mainly I am trying to figure out the balance in the water. I bumped ppms up to around 700 previously and she did not respond in the water like I had hoped, ph diving hard on me. I've since brought ppms down to 575 and still fighting the diving ph, although it does seem to be slowing down a bit on the ph dive.

The dilemma I am facing is the water seems to indicate I have an imbalance of too much nutrients, yet I am seeing a lot of paleness in the growth. I have learned that that paleness is not always a sign of deficiency so I am thinking this is a genetic trait like the Mendel strains where they were very pale in veg. Everything, I think anyway, looks great otherwise, some good growth, praying fans and fairly healthy looking overall cept'n the paleness. The main stem reminds me of a tree trunk, will have to get a photo of that.

I am thinking I might dilute the res down again to get in that 500 ppm range and see how the water is behaving at that time.

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Are you using silica?

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Are you using silica?

I did during veg and have tapered off with using the Agsil during flower. I have, however, had to use it sparingly for a pH adjuster for the past week because I am almost out of PH Up, got some ordered but its slow getting here.

The Moonglow I harvested a month ago was the same. It was just inherently yellow. I upped cal/mag and it greened up some.

Thanks Roots, I'm almost positive it's genetics like your Moonglow. The Mendel strains did the same thing but fooled me once, tryin not to get fooled again. I'm pretty certain I have plenty of cal/mag in the water so gonna watch and see. Those fans seem to green up once they get more mature.

FWIW, so far today the pH seems to be stabilizing with ppms at 575, will know more when I get home from work tonight.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Been a week or so since I updated the Mrs's Sativa grow, things are nervously cruising along. I've got the water dialed in pretty good across the board in all 3 of our grows so the only thing that is making me freak out a bit is I am quickly running out of headroom. I raised the light as far as it will go and if she stops stretching, things will be fine, but I am not confident about that. It's been a full 3 weeks since flip and she is FINALLY showing pistils. If she keeps stretching Imma gonna have to mainline those branches horizontal and see what happens!

Been keeping air moving and pulling larger fans and other branching that won't make the canopy.

New territory here with a Sativa grow so we shall see.

 

[Anthem275]

Plant looks really healthy!!

 

[moe.red]

Is this with the spider farmer?