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[Zen_seeker]

As noted on the corner earlier the seedling stalled. Then started to wither.

I put it in a shot glass with water and a bit of h2o2. I didn’t see any root growth digging it out.


A few days later the root and stem are white and I see two little branches off the tap root.

@stonemason let me know about @Stoneyluv corner post on Friday. Thank you both.

I don’t have a lot of hope for this seedling but it’s nice to know I might save it with the steps I’ve taken. I don’t have a air stone so I’ve been swapping out the glass with a fresh one and adding h2o2.

I did germinate this seed and made sure to put it tail down but I’m guessing it wasn’t quite deep enough and packed in. It seemed much closer to the surface when I dug it out.

The perlite is ticking me off too. I usually use peat pucks for seeds but skipped that step. If the root recovers I’ll be putting it in a puck going forward.

guess I’ll see what a few days can do for it.

 

[Stoneyluv]

As noted on the corner earlier the seedling stalled. Then started to wither. View attachment 46531View attachment 46532

I put it in a shot glass with water and a bit of h2o2. I didn’t see any root growth digging it out.
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A few days later the root and stem are white and I see two little branches off the tap root.View attachment 46534View attachment 46535

@stonemason let me know about @Stoneyluv corner post on Friday. Thank you both.

I don’t have a lot of hope for this seedling but it’s nice to know I might save it with the steps I’ve taken. I don’t have a air stone so I’ve been swapping out the glass with a fresh one and adding h2o2.

I did germinate this seed and made sure to put it tail down but I’m guessing it wasn’t quite deep enough and packed in. It seemed much closer to the surface when I dug it out.

The perlite is ticking me off too. I usually use peat pucks for seeds but skipped that step. If the root recovers I’ll be putting it in a puck going forward.

guess I’ll see what a few days can do for it.

from what i read quite a few things can cause it, i caused mine from a combo of dense soil, wet soil, and much to small of a container.

 

[Zen_seeker]

from what i read quite a few things can cause it, i caused mine from a combo of dense soil, wet soil, and much to small of a container.

Soil was fresh and not compacted. Container was a typical red cup I use. Watering was minimal with a syringe or spray bottle. Like I usually do. Clones I do a bit differently.

Normally once they pop it’s a done deal. I’ve had seeds do the “S” root before and not break the surface but this is the first a seedling just stopped.

Water and environment are my likely issues.

Waiting to see if any root growth occurs in the shot glass. Top seems to be drying out.

 

[steamroller]

I would offer a light feed.
What lighting schedule are you using?
My latest seed starting method is to feed lightly when first set of leaves after the cotyledons appear.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I would offer a light feed.
What lighting schedule are you using?

I’m doing 6/2 on lowest light. Same as my clones. I’ve done clones so long I don’t recall if I’ve grown seedlings under 6/2 before?

My latest seed starting method is to feed lightly when first set of leaves after the cotyledons appear.

I normally don’t feed until I see a node first.

After lightly digging out the root I noted it had moved higher in the soil. Plan to use a peat puck next time. Get rid of the perlite.

Water, environment, or light.

Before bed I put a single drop of water with FFJ & Lacto mixed at 1ml/1L. Took a chance. More of an impulse.

I have nothing I trust to hold the stem upright while sitting in water. So I left it hooked onto the side of the glass. The cotyledon is hold it up.

I’ll be checking it after 11am.

 

[steamroller]

I really don't understand the 6/2.
I know it adds up, I wonder if your plant knows it..
I would not start seeds that way if they were free.
Just me maybe.
You're too cold, messing with light and having trouble.
There is a simple fix to this IMO. 18/6

 

[GoodShit97]

I agree with Steam. I dont understand playing with the light hours.
18/6 and 12/12 have been proven for years, "if it aint broke dont fix it" is my favorite motto.

Weve talked through text and i told you its too cold, and 18/6 would raise the temp.
Get a cheap cool mist humidifier to combat the low RH from raising the temp. Its the only way imo

 

[GoodShit97]

This should do it without an issue.
Seems small enough for a tent too.

https://a.co/d/7scA4Mo

 

[steamroller]

That one has a night light and may be only battery operated.

 

[GoodShit97]

That one has a night light and may be only battery operated.

Bahahaha i didnt even look at any of that
Im way too high this morning. lol

 

[Zen_seeker]

I really don't understand the 6/2.
I know it adds up, I wonder if your plant knows it..
I would not start seeds that way if they were free.
Just me maybe.
You're too cold, messing with light and having trouble.
There is a simple fix to this IMO. 18/6

Shit. You really think the 6/2 is the main issue?

I like the convenience of that time. Let’s me work on them when I’m available more. Also helps with the hydro bill. We have peek hour usage prices here.

These two side zones are one above the other without seals. Light and air gets past the sides freely. I’ll have to drop 6/2 all together.

Lights are on at 11am for zones 1 & 2. I’ll chew on it until then.

 

[GoodShit97]

https://a.co/d/8Es9qHS

This looks to be a way better option lol.
I dont see a light on this one either.

 

[Zen_seeker]

This should do it without an issue.
Seems small enough for a tent too.

https://a.co/d/7scA4Mo

Humidity I’ll have to see after a light change.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Weve talked through text and i told you its too cold, and 18/6 would raise the temp.

The biggest reason for 6/2 is more time for me to work on them. If I sleep during normal hours or get insomnia I’m still able to look after them okay.

I’m weighing options and seeing if I can just flip to 18/6. I have another timer not being used ATM I can setup and swap.

When we chat in text we use maybe, guessing, and you change your mind at times. In this case you suggested I grow a new, known, strain. I said it was colder than I like to pop seeds, but we did have that week or so of great weather so I tried. Then it dropped in temperature again. That’s when we started talking temps, humidity and 18/6. You’ve also told me not to use my lights to change temperature, but we’ve both done it when needed. Rules for growing seem to be flexible and I’m trying to get used to that. Seems to be as much following your gutt as it is following steps.

I try to cherry pick through our chats what I can do with what I have that will make the best results. You do the same and I try to roll/work with it. But I do try to get other opinions if it’s something neither of us is comfortable with or certain about. Still doesn’t mean I get it right.

I’ve run out of time and options for this seedling and others have questioned the 6/2 as well now so I’m already looking to switch things even though I don’t believe it’s that simple a solution. It’s just easier to apply in the time remaining and might prove to be the only fix.

Get a cheap cool mist humidifier to combat the low RH from raising the temp. Its the only way imo

I’ll need to see what the light changes do first as it affects both zones. The room has a huge dehumidifier too. Need to see what else, if anything, gets changed. The zone below heats and helps with humidity depending what I do.

At the end of the day this should end up making things better over all. I just wish I had waited until end of March or used a seed I more of.

I always appreciate your help even when I don’t agree with you. More than once you got me through a panic attack over these silly plants.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Bahahaha i didnt even look at any of that
Im way too high this morning. lol

Now that’s funny.

 

[Zen_seeker]

https://a.co/d/8Es9qHS

This looks to be a way better option lol.
I dont see a light on this one either.

We’ll see after test. Lights just came on. Time to switch timer.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Rules for growing seem to be flexible

there are no rules!!!

 

[SiamSam]

there are no rules!!!

#1 Stay inside your Silo.

 

[Zen_seeker]

#1 Stay inside your Silo.

Prepper rules in effect?

 

[Zen_seeker]

Well I’m not sure where to go from here with this. Not much root. Stem looks better. But top is still drying out.

Temps are a bit better 25* & 60RH last time I checked.


No idea if a peat puck now is good idea or if I should wait to see something grow first? I think the top is just going to shrivel and die.

 

[MDK]

Well I’m not sure where to go from here with this. Not much root. Stem looks better. But top is still drying out.

Temps are a bit better 25* & 60RH last time I checked.
View attachment 46860

No idea if a peat puck now is good idea or if I should wait to see something grow first? I think the top is just going to shrivel and die.

Try rubberbanding a plastic sandwich bag over the top like a dome to up the humidity to like 85%. Couldn't hurt at this point I find higher humidity helps seedlings

 

[Zen_seeker]

Try rubberbanding a plastic sandwich bag over the top like a dome to up the humidity to like 85%. Couldn't hurt at this point I find higher humidity helps seedlings

I don’t think that would work due to size. I’ve been keeping an eye open for the dollar store bell domes to put over my DIY cloner. The shot glasses sit nicely in the plug holes. The coffee can lid has a raised middle which would be perfect to hold a dome top.

After your post I thought about my options. I came up with this.

Dollar stores should be getting spring planting stuff soon. I want it like this but wider. Either sit on the lids rim or on the table but cover the entire can.



That’s my sons display one. Has a base he has a model on. But if I find one like it that would be great.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Checking on it yesterday showed a bit of root growth.

Top still looked like it was slowing drying/dying. So I prepped to put it in a peat puck. That’s when I saw mold. The water level used to be higher.


It was fine yesterday but I don’t always wear my glasses. I hoped it might be roots as the water level was higher but I think being under the jar, even with the side raised, was too humid.

After wiping it a bit I put it in a peat puck, carefully tucked it in.




I used one of my yellow LST clips to hold the jar higher.

This morning at lights on I found it still standing straight but with a clump of white hairs sticking out all around the stem a few mm wide.

I panicked thinking this was mold for sure now as it’s about 10mm above the soil. And reappeared over lights out.

I used some lacto and water to lightly spray just the plant while I held it sideways. I then lightly squeezed the outer rim of the puck to get rid of any extra moisture.


The dome was still damp so I cleaned it, dried it, and sprayed a shot of lacto spray inside before putting back on.

Not being 100% certain it was mold I did a search but found pics of both mold and roots that looked similar. Need to take a pic before I react next time. Then act when I’ve checked. These internet samples all look a little like it.

My wiping it before planting might have removed some near the soil. IDK, we will see I guess.

After moving the seedling into the peat puck I put hot water into the can and used it like a hot water bottle. It seemed to help but I have no idea the temp or humidity under the jar.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Still looking okay and not bent over. No idea what the temp or RH is but the zones been around 24c & 60+RH which is better. Moisture still forms inside the jar.

Not sure if using the coffee can as a hot water bottle is helping?

Mold hasn’t popped back out but I can’t say it’s gone either. Still not sure if the lacto was any help or to strong. I just know it’s a protector and will prevent mold if used as a foliar spray. After the fact I have no idea.

 

[stonemason]

Still looking okay and not bent over. No idea what the temp or RH is but the zones been around 24c & 60+RH which is better. Moisture still forms inside the jar.View attachment 47382

Not sure if using the coffee can as a hot water bottle is helping?

Mold hasn’t popped back out but I can’t say it’s gone either. Still not sure if the lacto was any help or to strong. I just know it’s a protector and will prevent mold if used as a foliar spray. After the fact I have no idea.

Wow I think you might have saved her.thats the last time I bet against you.I proubly would have givin up and pulled an old yeller by now. Great job.

 

[stonemason]

 

[Zen_seeker]

Wow I think you might have saved her.thats the last time I bet against you.I proubly would have givin up and pulled an old yeller by now. Great job.

It’s 50/50 still. It’s still too cold and not humid long enough. The mold makes me think I got the environment almost right but I wasn’t expecting that added bonus.

Tonight at lights on is where I’ll give it a good look over and check it’s health.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I failed. The mold keeps returning each morning I check.


Not great pics but you can see the mold. From the middle of the stem to the Cotyledon is all covered. I tried fighting it all weekend.

The strange thing is that the root and stem are fine at the ground. No brown or rot. The h2o2 bath fixed things up enough.

This was my first case of mold. I’m not sure if a toothpick or some other way to support the seedling in the shot glass would have helped.

I’m disappointed at how things turned out. Once the weather got colder and I lost control of the environment the writing was on the wall. Skipping steps like starting in peat pucks added to the problem.

A last hale merry was to use a bit of vinegar and water to kill the remaining mold but it had advanced to far.

I’m sure it’s dead by now. I’ll open the puck to see how the root did. I at least want to see if any of this care paid off. If the root spread I know at least half the steps helped.

Only one seed left so I’m stopping here. We’ll see how things look in April/May.

 

[MDK]

RIP Topanga

 

[MDK]

You got the thread open are you gonna pop the last seed?

 

[GoodShit97]

I gotta send him this package of 5 or 6 strains I have here
Just keep forgetting to take it to the Post Office.
I'll get it there eventually

 

[Zen_seeker]

You got the thread open are you gonna pop the last seed?

I don’t think I’ve ever closed a thread.

I have one seed left. I’m waiting until April when I know the temps are good and I can win a fight if things go off.

I guess I could close this and start again in a month or so.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I guess an epitaph is in order…of sorts.

I tried trimming the col…the col…the first leaves off. That helped for a day. Over night the mold spread.


I dug it out carefully and found two new root branches. It also looked healthy and white. If I had prevented the mold I think it would have survived.



I chopped it and ground up everything for the Bokashi bucket.