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'Failure is always an option' Bagseed Hydro grow

Look up the master blend transition ratio or early flower. I would do a res change and run early flower ratios pretty much to the end
Any more hints on the transition ratio? I tried looking it up last night but didn't find anything obvious. Is it for going from dirt to hydro?

Been thinking it was time for a res change. Should be able to do that tomorrow.
 
Any more hints on the transition ratio? I tried looking it up last night but didn't find anything obvious. Is it for going from dirt to hydro?

Been thinking it was time for a res change. Should be able to do that tomorrow.
Nope just the ratio of each of the parts of nutrients… which master blend products are you using?
 
So are you mixing like 2.4g master, 1gram epsom and 2.4 grams cal nitrate?

Im think about 2.5-1-2 master, epsom, cal nitrate
 
Water change is done. Really appreciating the drain I have available in the basement. Just attach hose, open valve and ~20 min later the water is all but gone. I purchased another storage tote so I have somewhere to mix the total water volume and adjust pH before transferring to the main reservoir with a submersible pump. pH was around 6.4 so matched that and will walk that down to 6.2 or so tonight/tomorrow.

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For ratios, I normally use 180ml of A (MB + epsom) and B (cal) concentrate so this time I did 215ml A and 180ml B.

180 / 5 = 36
36 * 6 = 216ml

I'm working on adding a Co2 sensor to the data collection. I picked up a SCD-30 sensor and as it has temp/humidity built in it can replace the current air sensor with the added capabilities. Need to get it calibrated correctly first and make sure it's reliable. Been having issues with it dropping out after 12hr or so right now. Think I need to disable power between measurements. It might have an issue being on continuously.

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Here are the girls tucked in the for the night just before lights out. Trimmed a few more fan leaves trying to keep the canopy flowing air. Lots of buds now want to get this over the finish line keeping my fingers crossed!

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Moved the B1 mother to a separate DWC bucket next to the lettuce hydro setup. It was long overdue, can see it's all bent at an angle because it had outgrown the aerogarden. :ROFLMAO: Also notice, almost no rust spots which have plauged the plant this was cloned from it's whole life. So something I did to the mother is still screwing with it.

I have one other clone (B4 I think) that has rooted and will set that up also down here once it's a bit bigger. If I can have a couple mothers going to take clones of once this harvest is complete it should really accelerate the next grow cycle.

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Below is pictured the Co2 sensor. You can see in the chart it's stopped reporting again today so I've pulled it for now. Going to add a separate 3.3v regulator for the sensor tonight and see if that helps. ESP are pretty power hungry and the onboard regulator may not be cutting it.

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I've been seeing VPD numbers as high as 1.6. Wondering if I should back that off some. I need to take leaf temp again and double check the dashboard is reporting accurately.

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Is that an Uno board you're using as a controller?
It's an offshoot of the ESP8266 boards designed with some buttons, RGB Led. light sensor and a few I/O. Can be programmed with the Arduino IDE. Main advantage is they are really cheap - https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832382884710.html

I have a bunch of them spread around the house to monitor temp/humi/light which really helps in tuning the house A/C. Closing off certain areas has had significant improvements in cycle time and haven't hardly been over $200/mo for electricity this year even with the grow going on.

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It's an offshoot of the ESP8266 boards designed with some buttons, RGB Led. light sensor and a few I/O. Can be programmed with the Arduino IDE. Main advantage is they are really cheap - https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832382884710.html

I have a bunch of them spread around the house to monitor temp/humi/light which really helps in tuning the house A/C. Closing off certain areas has had significant improvements in cycle time and haven't hardly been over $200/mo for electricity this year even with the grow going on.

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Nice. Is it hard to level out the HVAC?
 
Not really, using a thermal camera would be the faster way but this works indirectly. I have an IR gun I just ran around and figured out the entry way had three doors and they were all leaking badly and the insulation in that part of the house isn't great either. So I just blocked it off with plastic and a blanket. Totally ghetto but the charts and electric bill prove it works. I should probably put in a proper door to seal it off now that I know it is effective.
 
Got a new air stone, anyone try these? Made by Hygger, looked easier to clean than a normal air stone and also seems to require only a small air pump to be effective. Will drop it in tomorrow.

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Here are the current stats. Been trying for a little bit lower pH 6.0 for this last part of the grow. Overshot it a bit last night but will keep adjusting.

I measured the underside of the leaves this morning with the IR gun and determined about a 2f difference between air so my VPD calculations should be fairly accurate.

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Adding the 3v regulator seems to have done the trick for the co2 sensor It's been much more stable since adding that. Also I got the calibration routine figured out yesterday. Now I can hold the button while plugging it in then release when I see green/blue lights. Then it enters continuous measurement mode for 5 min after which it will force a calibration. Do this outside and it's a pretty reliable calibration. Outside air is pretty consistently around 400ppm Co2. Another day or two to verify operation and I'll replace the air sensor in the tent with this.

Next I need to work on 0-10v control for the light and the fan. I can control on/off with the wifi power strip but having analog control would be helpful. Would allow me to boost fan speed right after lights out for controlling humidity. Light control isn't strictly needed but hey why not. I've seen some really simple schematics using mostly just an optoisolator. Just have to experiment a bit (unless anyone has tried this before)
 
Should I just cull B1 at this point? It's the runt growing sideways out of the net cup. I have a clone of it that's doing great and I don't want it to interfere with the other plants when I doubt I'm going to get much out of it here.

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Moved the Co2 sensor to the tent as things seem to be stable. Will be interesting to see the effect of the plants on the readings.
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Plants are on day 4 of this new nute mix and I think things are ok. Seems like getting a bit more tip burn but that might be from the lights. Top bud sites had grown high enough that they were too close. Raised the light a bit and will keep monitoring. Already had to add water yesterday so like 5 gal per 3 days or so. I use a reduced strength of the new mix for the top up.

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Should I just cull B1 at this point? It's the runt growing sideways out of the net cup. I have a clone of it that's doing great and I don't want it to interfere with the other plants when I doubt I'm going to get much out of it here.

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Moved the Co2 sensor to the tent as things seem to be stable. Will be interesting to see the effect of the plants on the readings.
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Plants are on day 4 of this new nute mix and I think things are ok. Seems like getting a bit more tip burn but that might be from the lights. Top bud sites had grown high enough that they were too close. Raised the light a bit and will keep monitoring. Already had to add water yesterday so like 5 gal per 3 days or so. I use a reduced strength of the new mix for the top up.

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When in doubt Pull it Out!
 
When in doubt Pull it Out!
I'm a little attached to it since it was my first plant to get anywhere. Will let it go one more week then prob chop it.
Looks like its got nanners coming out of it. Wanna grab a close up?
There's a name for that, no real uncommon, definitely not a freak.
Busted out the lens reverser for some close-ups. Does kinda look like nanners.
Should I cut this leaf off just in case?

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While i had the camera and tripod out I took a couple pics of the buds from B3 and B3. Should I be worried about the darkening hairs?

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I'm a little attached to it since it was my first plant to get anywhere. Will let it go one more week then prob chop it.


Busted out the lens reverser for some close-ups. Does kinda look like nanners.
Should I cut this leaf off just in case?

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While i had the camera and tripod out I took a couple pics of the buds from B3 and B3. Should I be worried about the darkening hairs?

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Darkening hairs are part and parcel of the plant's maturation process. Good look how they are mostly straight....
 
I'm a little attached to it since it was my first plant to get anywhere. Will let it go one more week then prob chop it.


Busted out the lens reverser for some close-ups. Does kinda look like nanners.
Should I cut this leaf off just in case?

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While i had the camera and tripod out I took a couple pics of the buds from B3 and B3. Should I be worried about the darkening hairs?

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Red hair that early means it's been pollinated. Or at least those red pistils and the calyx they're coming out of are now preggo. Sorry to say it but you have a hermie
 
Sorry to say it but you have a hermie

Bummer! Guess I didn't spot the nanners in time? I did trim a few more fan leaves that I found yesterday.

Safest bet is to cull the whole plant right? Maybe just trim that bud and wait a day or two to see if any more nanners appear?
 
Red hair that early means it's been pollinated. Or at least those red pistils and the calyx they're coming out of are now preggo. Sorry to say it but you have a hermie
How early in flower do hairs have to appear to conclusively be able to say that the plant got pollinated? If other branches aren't exhibiting the same characteristics does that mean that only a partial pollination on that branch?
 
Bummer! Guess I didn't spot the nanners in time? I did trim a few more fan leaves that I found yesterday.

Safest bet is to cull the whole plant right? Maybe just trim that bud and wait a day or two to see if any more nanners appear?
The he/she is so excited about being a hermie she's spitting nanners on the leaves. That would be enough for me to kill it and get it out but that's me. I've never seen that. Seen tiny buds on leaves but never hermie flowers. You have a unicorn plant for sure but not in a good way. You could hope for sterile pollen. Rare, but happens and when it does is very late in flower and I doubt it because that one cluster of pistils is pollinated.
How early in flower do hairs have to appear to conclusively be able to say that the plant got pollinated? If other branches aren't exhibiting the same characteristics does that mean that only a partial pollination on that branch?
From the time a pistil emerges it's sole purpose is to catch pollen. When it does, it's job is done and it dies back as the calyx begins building the seed inside. If it never gets pollinated, it stays white until it times out and develops a false calyx, aka sensimilla.
Selective pollination is very possible. A single male flower cannot pollinate every female flower in a garden and it's very possible to isolate and selectively breed flower to flower instead of plant to plant. A single hermie banana won't pollinate the whole plant but it damn sure will pollinate every pistil on the same flower. The more hermie flowers, the more pistils get pollinated
 
The he/she is so excited about being a hermie she's spitting nanners on the leaves. That would be enough for me to kill it and get it out but that's me. I've never seen that. Seen tiny buds on leaves but never hermie flowers. You have a unicorn plant for sure but not in a good way. You could hope for sterile pollen. Rare, but happens and when it does is very late in flower and I doubt it because that one cluster of pistils is pollinated.

From the time a pistil emerges it's sole purpose is to catch pollen. When it does, it's job is done and it dies back as the calyx begins building the seed inside. If it never gets pollinated, it stays white until it times out and develops a false calyx, aka sensimilla.
Selective pollination is very possible. A single male flower cannot pollinate every female flower in a garden and it's very possible to isolate and selectively breed flower to flower instead of plant to plant. A single hermie banana won't pollinate the whole plant but it damn sure will pollinate every pistil on the same flower. The more hermie flowers, the more pistils get pollinated

Took a look again this morning, The plant with the nanners isn't the one with the red pistil. Nanners are on B3 and red pistils are on B4.

B4 is the biggest plant of the three and has the most bud sites on it. Most of the buds on B4 have about the same amount of red (one or two) except that one I took a photo of which has the most.

B3 with the nanners isn't showing hardly any red. Neither is B1 the other plant in the tent. I tried looking for more nanners but haven't been able to find any. Only more bud sites on B3 fan leaves. Also most of the buds on the fan leaves aren't flowering, they are just more leaves (Maybe like re-veg?)

One other thing to add, I might have had a light leak on the sensor that hangs above the B3 nanner leaf. It would flash green for a second once every 5 min. Just gonna be really dissapointed if all these plants got pollinated somehow.
 
Took a look again this morning, The plant with the nanners isn't the one with the red pistil. Nanners are on B3 and red pistils are on B4.

B4 is the biggest plant of the three and has the most bud sites on it. Most of the buds on B4 have about the same amount of red (one or two) except that one I took a photo of which has the most.

B3 with the nanners isn't showing hardly any red. Neither is B1 the other plant in the tent. I tried looking for more nanners but haven't been able to find any. Only more bud sites on B3 fan leaves. Also most of the buds on the fan leaves aren't flowering, they are just more leaves (Maybe like re-veg?)

Godang it, this is wrong. Wish I could edit posts. Either way plant with the nanners isn't the one with the most red pistils.

B4 had the nanners.
B3 Is the other main plant.
 
Added another 5gal of water this morning. Plants are drinking about a gallon a day right now. Other than a few red pistils things seem healthy.

Dunno if the plants are ruined but halfway through flower at this point so just gonna run with it for now.
 
Added another 5gal of water this morning. Plants are drinking about a gallon a day right now. Other than a few red pistils things seem healthy.

Dunno if the plants are ruined but halfway through flower at this point so just gonna run with it for now.
Just run it and stay on it, the plant is resilient
 
This weeks update. Think my EC was up near 3 instead of 2.5 after having the tester on the wrong format. Doh!


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Does that left plant look about the same as before? It doesn't really appear to have gotten worse.
 
Does that left plant look about the same as before? It doesn't really appear to have gotten worse
It's gotten a little bit worse but still chugging along. Once the leaves on that plant get to a certain age they rust pretty bad. Even the clone is doing the same thing now. Really should just chop both of them but holding out hope for a couple more weeks.
 
That EC is ok if everything is in perfect balance. Chances are npk is not in balance.

I don’t know if you have run across @smoke yet but he grows indoor trees. I’ll bet he averages 1/3 or 1/4 of your EC. I’m more about half.
 
That EC is ok if everything is in perfect balance. Chances are npk is not in balance.

I don’t know if you have run across @smoke yet but he grows indoor trees. I’ll bet he averages 1/3 or 1/4 of your EC. I’m more about half.
Well I could do a water change if needed. Did a res drain/fill only a couple weeks ago.

Also I'm wondering if they still look like they've been pollinated. Gonna have to start some clones asap if so.
 
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