Kuwl's Deja Vue All Over Again

[SiamSam]

Nobody who got banned today deserved it.
Hopefully we can make this as good or better for you all.
Kuwl just joined today so I think he knew what is going on.

He is kuwl to be here either way...roll on

 

[Observer]

I really hate starting over again but it is what it is.
Not that I have to or anything but help is getting thin so we'll give it a go here @ Budbuilders.
No time to post stuff now but will tomorrow.

In a nutshell:
I am using a Auto Pot System with a 4x4 Vivosun roof tent.
MarsHydro FC4800 light and Spider-Farmer 6" controller exhaust and 4" controller intake fans.
Growing a QC Blue, Fruity OG, Sour Diesel-(SD went to seed so now it a Cookie Monster) and
2 plants that were thrown in there late, 2-3 weeks late, Wedding Cake and Durban Poison
One is in with the 4 Pot Auto Pots (2.2 gal.) and the other is a stand alone in a 3 gal cloth pot.
The 3 in AP's (SD, F OG, QC B) are 8 weeks into flower.
One Plant Dos Si Dos was a Male and was destroyed, that's when I put the WC in it's place.

Glad to see ya here.

 

[Kuwl]

Ghost Pepper sauce burns my mouth so bad I can't taste anything hahaha.
I like the flavor and the not too hotness of Frank's and I've tried alot of hot sauces.
You can see it's a work in progress cause some of the bottles are still sealed.
It would take me quite awhile to adjust my tongue to the Ghost Pepper Sauce.

Panda's such a ham unlike Shady who sneaks around and hides alot.

Back to Business,

I checked the Main Res tank (MRT) and it was clear.
Took this pic to show how clear it is so far, checking daily.
It has about 4-5 gal in it as they are still drinking pretty good.
You can see the filter at the bottom clearly.

I took the DP off the main feed line and hooked up the Spare RES Tank (SRT)
to that tray/pot to give it a proper feed level.
It's now at 800 PPM PH 5.8
Pro-Tekt 5ml/ KB 1tsp/ Mag Pro 1/2tsp/ Zyme 5ml/ HyClean 1ml/ H202 1tsp

Checked all pot trays and they ok.
Louped the buds and although the pistils are not all brown they are getting there.
Leaves have no color so it's gonna be awhile.
The QC B looks the best!
Heres some pic's
1st is QC B
No amber and the pitils are still white so another week to 2 weeks on this one.

Here is F OG
This one might be closer than I thought cause I'm seein' amber!!
Now have to figure when to harvest and I'm thinking this week, Fri at the latest.

I seen this rogue in the empty SD pot I guess one fell and germ'ed lol
Maybe I'll put it outside and see what happens.

I got some plumbing going on here.

 

[Bandit420]

I'm loving your work in the garden and kitchen Kuwl!
Chicken tenders look outstanding!
I've been upping my fried chicken game doing a pickle juice marinade and air frying but I'm damn sure gonna steal your recipe.
Sharing the love on hot sauces too. Ghost and Carolina Reaper can be too hot for me but I love some Cholula especially the green. I use so much of that I buy it in 64oz jugs.

 

[Kuwl]

I'm loving your work in the garden and kitchen Kuwl!
Chicken tenders look outstanding!
I've been upping my fried chicken game doing a pickle juice marinade and air frying but I'm damn sure gonna steal your recipe.
Sharing the love on hot sauces too. Ghost and Carolina Reaper can be too hot for me but I love some Cholula especially the green. I use so much of that I buy it in 64oz jugs.

Thanks for the compliment Bandit!

Keep it simple 365 degrees (veg oil) and use only saltine crackers and chicken tenders, if you do it exactly as I posted you will be amazed at how good these things are!
I've tried oven and air frying but the only way I got that perfect crunch and flavor is to deep fry them.
I even pondered the idea of a food truck just serving these chicken fingers they're so good!!
I do like that pickle juice idea and was thinking of it last night lol
Not sure if It would change the result but would be worth a try for sure.

 

[Kuwl]

Surprise!
Checked the filter in MRT and damn it, the filter was plugged again!!
WOW, I am confuseded and confounded, it was fine yesterday.
It's that greasy kid's stuff I was talking about.
I am hand mixing the tanks at this time with no bubbler or pump in there.

There was no problem with the filter in the SRT. (700 PPM now)

I confiscated a plastic screen strainer from the kitchen to use to catch those diatoms.
It works prety good and beats empting the tank out everytime.
Since I am adding so little to the mix I am not sure what could be causing the goo.

PPM 425 PH 5.8 (MRT)
I added 2 gals of nutes
8ml per gal of Flawless Finish
With nothing else in the mix, so as to delute the remaining Nutrients in the tank.
I removed 3 gals of nutes from the tank to make room for the change in nutes.
Added the 3 gals of nutes to SRT which brought down the PPM from 800 to 700 PPM.

Well here are the pic's
1st one is of the front of the closed filter.

Next is when I rolled my finger acrossed it to form this tacky ball of goo.
Opened filter cartridge with back of filter showing.
My hack w/kitchen strainer and diatoms scooped up in a paper towel
Everything else is looking ok, no problems in the trays or plants.
I would say the F OG is 3-5% amber on the small flower leaves, no amber on the flowers themselves.
I am not sure I have the patience to go past friday.

Sour Diesel, 1 week in the drying tent
Tent Temp 67.5 Hummi 63.5
Hummi is very high but can't think of anything I can do to remidy it.
But it is looking pretty good and might be ready by the time Fruity OG is harvested.
I hope.

 

[Observer]

Sour Diesel, 1 week in the drying tent
Tent Temp 67.5 Hummi 63.5
Hummi is very high but can't think of anything I can do to remidy it.
But it is looking pretty good and might be ready by the time Fruity OG is harvested.
I hope.
View attachment 3394

63rh is still good id say, and temp is under 70 at least

And ew that goo, why I run sterile.

 

[Kuwl]

I have no idea how to run sterile ?
I did look up some stuff and alot of the time it seems tea is the answer.
That seems complicated and expensive.
I do have worm castings I could make tea from I guess.
I am going to try something else.
Also there is a machine called a "chiller" which cools the tank water down.
Expensive tho.
I added the bubbler back into the MRT and also added the H202 back.
I read 2 drops of clorine bleach per gallon will help with the bacteria build up.
I am going to try that one to see what happens.
The water in each tank looks great! It's clear and can see the bottom.
Tomorrow should be interesting to see if the H202 and bleach will slow it down or stop it or kill my plants lol.

 

[Observer]

well if youre using organic inputs and microbes, h2o2 and bleach will cancel those out (?), are you using a soil mix?

and using liquid feed?

i gotta scroll through

where as, i use coco and perlite, and synthetic soluble salts for my NPK and i use H2o2 and Hypo-acid for Pesticide/fungicide and oxygenation.
so this ^ would be a sterile "system"

instead of

using dirt/soil/earth with little bugs that eat things, shit them out, smaller things eat those then the nutrients are available to the plant for uptake - organic. in short lol.

 

[Kuwl]

well if youre using organic inputs and microbes, h2o2 and bleach will cancel those out (?), are you using a soil mix?

and using liquid feed?

i gotta scroll through

Soil mix with coco coir and perlite and clay balls
Liquid feed Dyna Gro Products
It's a gravity feed system that feeds the pots in a valve operated tray from the res tank.

 

[Observer]

Soil mix with coco coir and perlite and clay balls
Liquid feed Dyna Gro Products
It's a gravity feed system that feeds the pots in a valve operated tray from the res tank.

so kinda hyrbid, till the soil is depleted.

and dyna would be synthetic nutes.

 

[Kuwl]

so kinda hyrbid, till the soil is depleted.

Auto Pots
It's a Gravity fed Bottom feed system

 

[moe.red]

You do coco right?

 

[Kuwl]

You do coco right?

About 25% coco, 10% Perlite, 25% clay balls and the rest is a soil mix. in a 2.2 gal pot.

 

[moe.red]

How do you keep the roots out of the valve? That's been my issue but that was a decade ago.

 

[Kuwl]

How do you keep the roots out of the valve? That's been my issue but that was a decade ago.

The socks are new I got them with my last order, the 2.2 gal system
Pot socks and Root stoppers
Root blockers goes into the pot to stop them and
the Pot Socks go over the outside of the pot.
I use both cause I have them but the socks are the best.

 

[Aqua Man]

Dyna grow is a good simple product… just so you are aware it synthetic so you dont need to worry about microbes if you choose to go sterile. How long are you keeping a res? Longer than 3 days with aoil mixed in you will prob see issues from the organics. If you remove the soil from the mix you can do live or sterile. In your case as it sits sterile as suggested may be the way to go for now. Organics in water is a pita indoors

 

[Kuwl]

Dyna grow is a good simple product… just so you are aware it synthetic so you dont need to worry about microbes if you choose to go sterile. How long are you keeping a res? Longer than 3 days with aoil mixed in you will prob see issues from the organics. If you remove the soil from the mix you can do live or sterile. In your case as it sits sterile as suggested may be the way to go for now. Organics in water is a pita indoors

Thanks for the input everyone.

Can I ask if there is a better choice of nutrient products to use as I am wrapping this grow up and I’m thinking about changing Nutrients for another auto Pot grow.
I know there are a lot out there,
PipeCarver uses General Hydroponics I believe
And was thinking of going that way for this type of grow.

 

[Observer]

Thanks for the input everyone.

Can I ask if there is a better choice of nutrient products to use as I am wrapping this grow up and I’m thinking about changing Nutrients for another auto Pot grow.
I know there are a lot out there,
PipeCarver uses General Hydroponics I believe
And was thinking of going that way for this type of grow.

I've not used much nutrient lines so far but from what I've heard and tried

GH was one of the first on the market, can't really go wrong with there lineup

Dynagrow is also a good one

I use jacks 5-12-26 15-0-0 and epsom salt because it works, and it's cheap as fuck.

 

[Aqua Man]

Dyna grow is prob the easiest effect nutrient to use

 

[Observer]

Used dutch pro nutrients before but fuck liquid in bottles, cheaper to mix you're own.

Theyll have you buy 5 different bottles with water when you can buy 3 bags of salts.

My 5-12-26 includes micro nutrients as well.

But I'm going to look into croptech

 

[Observer]

could that attibute to that goo? dead microbe clumps ?

youre killing youre good and/or/bad microbes with h2o and bleach ?

 

[Pipecarver]

could that attibute to that goo?

youre killing youre good and/or/bad microbes with h2o and bleach ??

Hey, I just caught up, I'm not having that issue with GH nutes but I'm still getting separation. Moe Red said I should lower my ph prior to adding the micro. So I lowered it to 6.96 before adding any nutes and I still see the redish grey grainy sediment on the bottom...no diatoms but ....sand???? iron and or copper so said Moe but now what?

sorry kuwl I don't mean to hijac....k Just similar issues with nutes in the tank doing odd things

 

[Observer]

Hey, I just caught up, I'm not having that issue with GH nutes but I'm still getting separation. Moe Red said I should lower my ph prior to adding the micro. So I lowered it to 6.96 before adding any nutes and I still see the redish grey grainy sediment on the bottom...no diatoms but ....sand???? iron and or copper so said Moe but now what?

sorry kuwl I don't mean to hijac....k Just similar issues with nutes in the tank doing odd things

yea some elements wont mix into a solution if pH is so out of whack.

 

[Kuwl]

could that attibute to that goo? dead microbe clumps ?

youre killing youre good and/or/bad microbes with h2o and bleach ?

Nope
I just added the bleach n H202 this afternoon.
Only thing in the tank was Kool Bloom n HyClean.
Maybe a 5ml of Zyme.

 

[OLDCRO]

Nope
I just added the bleach n H202 this afternoon.
Only thing in the tank was Kool Bloom n HyClean.
Maybe a 5ml of Zyme.

Is the kool bloom liquid or powder ?

 

[Kuwl]

Is the kool bloom liquid or powder ?

Powder

 

[moe.red]

Thanks for the input everyone.

Can I ask if there is a better choice of nutrient products to use as I am wrapping this grow up and I’m thinking about changing Nutrients for another auto Pot grow.
I know there are a lot out there,
PipeCarver uses General Hydroponics I believe
And was thinking of going that way for this type of grow.

My very first grow was using gh trio in coco and perlite in autopots. Bringing back memories here.

I found it easy to use.

 

[OLDCRO]

Been reading around and some growers running into slime from hydrozyme

 

[Observer]

Been reading around and some growers running into slime from hydrozyme

Nov 2, 2012 - ""used to run hygrozyme in my rez's. I would always find a slimy, mucusy, substance in my rez and stuck to the air stone. I quit runnin it and viola...no more slime. I've heard that it (hygrozyme) doesn't work well with air stones. Do you have air stones?""

 

[Kuwl]

Been reading around and some growers running into slime from hydrozyme

That might be it but it’s late will look further into it tomorrow, pretty sure your right tho

 

[Kuwl]

Well, I checked back and I was using Zyme the Previous 2 grows with no problems with slime.
Bummer, that was a year ago and nothing in there that showed I had these sorta problems.
I thought for sure that was it.
I've tried everything I could think of to methodicaly eliminate stuff that could cause this goo problem with no answers yet.
The last thing I tried was removing the air stone and pump but still I got slimed.

I am not going to use Zyme on the last pot, until I'm positive it's not the additive doing this.

I am gonna empty the tank and clean it out then add Flawless Finish 8ml per gal.
It's the last 1-2 weeks of this grow for these 2 plants,
then I have one left on the AP on a seperate line n tank. (2 wks behind)
And one in a 3 gal cloth bag that is 3 wks behind

I will still have to figure this out for the next grow.

 

[Kuwl]

Well, I checked back and I was using Zyme the Previous 2 grows with no problems with slime.
Bummer, that was a year ago and nothing in there that showed I had these sorta problems.
I thought for sure that was it.
I've tried everything I could think of to methodicaly eliminate stuff that could cause this goo problem with no answers yet.
The last thing I tried was removing the air stone and pump but still I got slimed.

I am not going to use Zyme on the last pot, until I'm positive it's not the additive doing this.

I am gonna empty the tank and clean it out then add Flawless Finish 8ml per gal.
It's the last 1-2 weeks of this grow for these 2 plants,
then I have one left on the AP on a seperate line n tank. (2 wks behind)
And one in a 3 gal cloth bag that is 3 wks behind

I will still have to figure this out for the next grow.

OK I did that and checked before I emptied it and there was some residual goo on the filter, just a dab tho.
But what peaked my interest was when I checked the SRT which is 3/4ths full and has no air stone or pump.
I don't know the exact mix of nutrients in it cause I added some from the other tank.
When I looked at that filter it was clean and so was the tank.
If I wasn't confused before, I sure am now.

Well the bleach didn't do any harm and there are no diatoms in either tank, so that's good.
There is still bleach in the SRT but like I said the MRT was changed out to just Flawless Finish with nothing else added.

From what I read about the bleach thing is that it's a alternate way to keep it clean without using tea.
Tea was used for the bacteria problem but I would have to make it or buy it.
It looked hard to make and I would need more products to do that anyway.
Buying it already made would cost and I needed a quicker way to fix the problem.
All that said I am back to square one, lol.

 

[moe.red]

@Kuwl this is the issue, correct?

And if I am reading you right, you now have bleach in there, making this res sterile, and even with that the slime is coming back?

 

[Kuwl]

@Kuwl this is the issue, correct?

And if I am reading you right, you now have bleach in there, making this res sterile, and even with that the slime is coming back?

Yes that was the issue, goo plugging up the filter.
No bleach in there at that time

The picture is before the bleach was put in
I put the bleach in yesterday afternoon.
I checked this morning and it was still a little goo in the filter but not much
The tank was cleaned this morning and washed out so nothing in it but flawless finish and nothing else

 

[Kuwl]

The picture before the bleach was put in
After I put the bleach in yesterday afternoon.
I checked this morning and it was still a little goo in the filter but not much
The tank was cleaned this morning and washed out so nothing in it but flawless finish and nothing else

In the other tank SpareRT the bleach is still in it but I've heard conflicting views on
whether it will sterilize the nutes or not. I think it depends if it's organic or not.
But will end up cleaning and changing that tank also.
I was shopping and didn't have the time to do it yet.
The spare tank did not have any problems with goo or diatoms, not sure why.

 

[Kuwl]

Hey, I just caught up, I'm not having that issue with GH nutes but I'm still getting separation. Moe Red said I should lower my ph prior to adding the micro. So I lowered it to 6.96 before adding any nutes and I still see the redish grey grainy sediment on the bottom...no diatoms but ....sand???? iron and or copper so said Moe but now what?

sorry kuwl I don't mean to hijac....k Just similar issues with nutes in the tank doing odd things

Hope you have better luck than me.
I will empty my spare tank and refill with fresh nutes as soon as I get some Bloom delivered.
I ran out and had to order it and more in their product line, so it's all the same company products I'm putting in there.
So far the tank is clean but is it because of the 2 drops of bleach per gallon, idk?

I'm going to keep on working on my problem till it's solved.
And just thought of something! I wonder if Nutrient contamination could be causing it for me?
I've about eliminated everything so I'm starting over with a clean spare tank and fresh nutes, let's see what happens then.

 

[Kuwl]

I got the Dyna Grow Bloom today but Amz sent the wrong Zyme lol they sent Superthrive Zyme not Dyna Grow.
Another trip to the ups return store, wifey not to happy bout that.
Got the SRT cleaned out and re-filled with 5ml Pro-Tekt, 5ml Foliage Pro, 10ml Bloom and 5ml Mag Pro nothing else.
This tank goes directly to one plant in the AP's that is bout 3 wks behind the other 2 plants.

The other plant in the 3 gal cloth bag is not doing well almost a re-veg tbh I am thinking about cutting it down when the other is done.
Fed it today with a mix of fresh nutes, that's about all I can do for her.

Day 67
The other 2 (QC B, F OG) are doing well and checking them every day.
I took some pic's of F OG and a close look with the loup but not ready yet.
Leaves not showing any color but some burnt tips.
MRT is good with no problems.
Only Flawless Finish in it, nothing else but the bubble stone.

Shady likes to bother me when I am gaming on the PC.
Jumps up on the computer table and lays in front of the monitor lol.

F OG

 

[Observer]

rollin along.

 

[tobh]

just a heads up, you shouldn't mix h2o2 and bleach. it can result in an explosion due to the chemical reaction that occurs. additionally, pool shock is the type of chlorine you want to use, not household bleach like you wash whites with.

enzymes also don't like chlorine -- you either pick chlorine and only chlorine, or h2o2 and potentially enzymes as well though personally I won't use enzymes anymore as I feel they're not effective at doing anything other than taking more money outta my wallet.