Observers Fog Experiment

[Observer]

Hmm


Hello

 

[Observer]

Hmm


Hello

@moe.red

 

[Observer]

Hmm


Hello

Got an idea or two so far, but don't have any resources/mats.

PVC tube to contain the plant, and then it can stick out of a wide but short base to hold enough water but not drown the disc from working

Or just get a bucket maybe

Or get a bottle cut in half remove so I can easily reset the water

Without investing a lot just to try and get this working

 

[Stoneyluv]

are you running with your polyfill idea? i'll admit it had me thinking how i could do that quick and i do have enough stuff here to make a small seedling starter.

would nutrients be hard on the fogger?

 

[Observer]

Just for now till I get something else

Mainly just trying to get it to work.

ideally, I'd like to create 2 different chambers. One that's like a res for the fog, that will pump/plumb the fog to another res that holds the plants.

 

[Observer]

are you running with your polyfill idea? i'll admit it had me thinking how i could do that quick and i do have enough stuff here to make a small seedling starter.

would nutrients be hard on the fogger?

Anything caustic, and salts are naturally coroding to electronics and most(?) Metals, need certain materials for longetivity and reliability.


Also why dialing in you're EXACT needs is pretty important.

I put a pinch of NPK at some certain ratio, e.c is probably like 0.3 or so, didn't check the e.c just pH, gotta go soon.

Shit, I probably need to adjust the light schedule now from flower to veg

Can create fogs/mist with high pressure water/nozzles as well and that's what I really want to do but costly upfront to set it up nicely and ant-corrosive materials and such

 

[Observer]

are you running with your polyfill idea?

yes, I plan on getting a container soon I can just stuff the polyfill I have into and use that like rockwool maybe, and put a seed into, maybe tonight or tomorrow.

Try to get the fog working and then do a polyfill media next to it lol

 

[Observer]

Anything caustic, and salts are naturally coroding to electronics and most(?) Metals, need certain materials for longetivity and reliability.


Also why dialing in you're EXACT needs is pretty important.

I put a pinch of NPK at some certain ratio, e.c is probably like 0.3 or so, didn't check the e.c just pH, gotta go soon.

Shit, I probably need to adjust the light schedule now from flower to veg

Can create fogs/mist with high pressure water/nozzles as well and that's what I really want to do but costly upfront to set it up nicely and ant-corrosive materials and such

Not sure if adding my hypochlorous acid will corrode that aluminum disc more or not, have not read into that part yet.
Thinking it would

But I'll need to do something for sterility I imagine, no more 34% h2o2 atm.

 

[Observer]

are you running with your polyfill idea? i'll admit it had me thinking how i could do that quick and i do have enough stuff here to make a small seedling starter.

would nutrients be hard on the fogger?

It could atleast be a cheap easy seed starter probably, though.

All though, it does not seem to wick as good compared to coco or something.

But from observing this seed, it's tap root is going straight down, looks health. And miminal resistance against the root so it's thriving.

 

[Observer]

Anything caustic, and salts are naturally coroding to electronics and most(?) Metals, need certain materials for longetivity and reliability.


Also why dialing in you're EXACT needs is pretty important.

I put a pinch of NPK at some certain ratio, e.c is probably like 0.3 or so, didn't check the e.c just pH, gotta go soon.

Shit, I probably need to adjust the light schedule now from flower to veg

Can create fogs/mist with high pressure water/nozzles as well and that's what I really want to do but costly upfront to set it up nicely and ant-corrosive materials and such

@Stoneyluv just checked the E.C, its at 0.3 like i estimated.

i bet the Ph drifted up from 5.3 though, citric acid is a Weak Acid.


and at 15 seconds on 1 minute 30 seconds off right now

still working with it, really need it to grow first and get some roots to really see how it acts and how i should respond to it.

 

[Stoneyluv]

man we are on the same wavelength with this!!!! i'm luvin this man!!!

when you first talked about it my immediate thought was my humidifier inside the rez container of my aerocloner...




i know it's crude as hell but take out the neoprene and stuff it full of polyfill and i'm foggin baby!!!!!!!!!!!

i wouldn't want to ruin that humidifier though and is why i asked about if the nutrients would harm it, i kind of like having it! i wouldn't put much in man, maybe some phosphoric acid and a little rapid start.

can't wait to see how cool this works for you!!!!!!!!!

 

[Observer]

man we are on the same wavelength with this!!!! i'm luvin this man!!!

when you first talked about it my immediate thought was my humidifier inside the rez container of my aerocloner...

lol not bad , if it was a little shorter, that could be dope for cloning maybe

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i know it's crude as hell but take out the neoprene and stuff it full of polyfill and i'm foggin baby!!!!!!!!!!!

i wouldn't want to ruin that humidifier though and is why i asked about if the nutrients would harm it, i kind of like having it! i wouldn't put much in man, maybe some phosphoric acid and a little rapid start.

Yeah, probably wouldnt take long for it to stop working from salts and whatever else is needed, but maybe for just cloning or so when u dont need much

i like that though, haha.

can't wait to see how cool this works for you!!!!!!!!!

Thanks , I don't plan on getting It to harvest but I'll try

I just really want to see it work lol, and see some nice roots.

 

[Observer]

are you running with your polyfill idea? i'll admit it had me thinking how i could do that quick and i do have enough stuff here to make a small seedling starter.

would nutrients be hard on the fogger?

OK so the polyfill is pretty hydrophobic but gives me an idea, it'll still atleast hold the seeds and roots and some moisture, which means it may dry out faster which leads me to think it could do good with high frequency fertigation

I went ahead and took a little cup and stuffed some poly in it, put 2 seeds in, poured some water over it and it just sits there or runs down the side lol

 

[Observer]

A dry-down period in fogponics is essential for optimal plant health.
It allows the root system to:

• Breathe: Oxygen is crucial for root health, and a dry-down period ensures that the roots are not constantly submerged in water.
• Strengthen: Fluctuating moisture levels can encourage stronger root development.
• Prevent Disease: A dry-down period can help prevent root rot and other fungal diseases.

How to Implement a Dry-Down Period:

1. Timing: Experiment with different dry-down periods to find what works best for your specific setup. Some growers prefer a short dry-down period of a few minutes, while others opt for longer periods of several hours.
2. Monitoring: Keep a close eye on your plants during the dry-down period. Look for signs of stress, such as wilting or discoloration.
3. Adjust Misting Cycle: If you notice signs of underwatering, increase the misting frequency or duration. If you see signs of overwatering, decrease the misting frequency or duration.

Remember: The ideal dry-down period can vary depending on factors like plant stage, environmental conditions, and plant strain.

By carefully monitoring your plants and adjusting your misting cycle, you can create a balanced environment that promotes healthy root development and optimal plant growth.

 

[Observer]

It could atleast be a cheap easy seed starter probably, though.

All though, it does not seem to wick as good compared to coco or something.

But from observing this seed, it's tap root is going straight down, looks health. And miminal resistance against the root so it's thriving.

All right first seed is already dead lol

The polyfil was dry mid way down and too far away from the fog, also it does not absorb water like at all.

Towards the end of the tap root it was brown and dried out.

So, i did something else and got another seed germinating

 

[Observer]

Just pushed some gauze In and taped it up, this way the tap root can grow straight down into the bottle instead of going through that roll of poly first

See how this goes.

Covering it with another wet gauze to keep moisture

 

[Observer]

And then these 2 seeds

Went ahead and wrapped these too since poly is basically hydrophobic, lol...but gives me an idea

 

[Observer]

Thinking maybe I should poke a little hole up top to help dissipate condesation.

 

[Observer]

Working with what i got

 

[Observer]

Once That tap root pokes down into the chamber, it's on.

 

[moe.red]

@moe.red

 

[moe.red]

Most of my growing in fog has been with O2 injection as well. Without that, the rules are very different and this experimentation will be required to see what works best. For example, I never did a dry back. The roots grew stupid big and fast tho

 

[Observer]

Most of my growing in fog has been with O2 injection as well. Without that, the rules are very different and this experimentation will be required to see what works best. For example, I never did a dry back. The roots grew stupid big and fast tho

If I could just properly get the chamber/plant secured lol....

 

[moe.red]

I just 3D printed all my shiznit.

 

[Observer]

Exactly.....gotta get me one.

I just 3D printed all my shiznit.

 

[moe.red]

Exactly.....gotta get me one.

Tell me specifically what you need. Measurements help. Draw me a picture I’m thick

 

[moe.red]

This is what I did for plant sites



Twist lock into a printed base. Only the netcup was bought everything else printed.

 

[Observer]

Tell me specifically what you need. Measurements help. Draw me a picture I’m thick

Thank you good sir

I'll get back to ya, maybe I need to work on the design/better, maybe a little attachment I can easily use to hold a seed in place, with you're average plastic drinking bottles.

I just took a water bottle, cut it off, cut the bottom off and used that as a tubular chamber , I started to stuff the mouthpiece with polyfill to hold the seed, but the polyfill seems extremely hydrophobic, and the center doesn't get moisture, already dried one seed out so back to the drawing board.

Just have one disc to work with right now too so chamber can't be big

Thanks alot moe.red




....maybe a miniature version of you're twist lock base you got going on, and if I have to, i can maybe buy something to fit it to.

 

[Observer]

Tell me specifically what you need. Measurements help. Draw me a picture

Can you print this

A triply periodic minimal surface (TPMS) anti gyroid lattice

I can get more details on the software they used or similar if needed probably only needs to be the size of a solo cup



Was curious about something like this to suspend over a fog chamber. Or use as a "media" for such. And it can easily hold seed at the tip, and the roots and develop all inside and somewhat hold moisture....

With smaller pores...

 

[Observer]

Can you print this

A triply periodic minimal surface (TPMS) anti gyroid lattice

I can get more details on the software they used or similar if needed probably only needs to be the size of a solo cup

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Was curious about something like this to suspend over a fog chamber. Or use as a "media" for such. And it can easily hold seed at the tip, and the roots and develop all inside and somewhat hold moisture....

With smaller pores...

Or could atleast enclose this with something easier