Scotty's 1st Grow

[Rootsruler]

600-900 is a good place to flower… im gonna say start watching once over 750-800 for light stress but id say you can likely bunp to 700ppfd pretty safely for now at flip and then let then grow into it depending on the stretch you may need to raise it.

The reason i like that other app is it’s usually fairly close but depends on the phone and then i convert it based on a more specific conversion based on the lights specs…

To give you an idea that app will read about 10x less than the actual ppfd of a blurple. I much prefer to do a more accurate conversion than a single calculation they use for all lights. Thats because lux is primarily the measurement of the green spectrum and the conversion is based of the amount of green in the spectrum to get a closer value of ppfd. This changes a lot depenong on the light you use

That's what happened with me. I started out at 25 DLI on flip and when I got to around 30 the plants pretty much just grew into the new DLI each week. Once I hit 40 I backed off gradually per the chart and they're now chilling at 32 DLI. Chop should be next week sometime!

@Aqua Man -Does the drop in DLI on flip do anything hormonally? Does it induce faster flower? Why drop PPFD on flip?

 

[Scotty 420]

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Yeah I actually couldn't download the app you linked it says it is designed for an older version of Android, which is kinda funny because my phone is far from cutting edge

 

[Rootsruler]

Yeah I actually couldn't download the app you linked it says it is designed for an older version of Android, which is kinda funny because my phone is far from cutting edge

I use Tent Buddy. Works pretty good. I have a Samsung Note 8 so my phone ain't no spring chicken.

 

[Aqua Man]

That's what happened with me. I started out at 25 DLI on flip and when I got to around 30 the plants pretty much just grew into the new DLI each week. Once I hit 40 I backed off gradually per the chart and they're now chilling at 32 DLI. Chop should be next week sometime!

@Aqua Man -Does the drop in DLI on flip do anything hormonally? Does it induce faster flower? Why drop PPFD on flip?

No drop in ppfd just DLI. Thats because you have a shorter photoperiod so you up the intensity so they get the same or slightly more photons over the period of a day.

Photosynthetic rates are key. If you increase intensity then you increase the demand on the photosynthetic rates. At a certain point the plant cannot keep up and starts to go into photorespiration which reduces the photosynthetic efficiency. Thats how ppl came up with a 6 on 6 off light cycle because the plants are most efficient for the first 4-6 hrs of light. If you all want i can elaborate a lot on this but basically the higher the intensity the faster the head towards photorespiration as the plant wont be able to continue all processes at the sane rate so it has evolved to basically slow itself down and you can see this as light stress

 

[Rootsruler]

Maybe I didn't ask my question correctly? Why the drop in DLI right after flip when you're peaking the DLI in veg right before flip? Why not continue the intensity? What is the bio process that warrants this?

 

[Aqua Man]

Maybe I didn't ask my question correctly? Why the drop in DLI right after flip when you're peaking the DLI in veg right before flip? Why not continue the intensity? What is the bio process that warrants this?

The drop in DLI is a result of the shorter photoperiod. The intensity is the same and you slowly increase that to bring the DLI back up.

DLI is a measurement of the amount of photons over the entire day… not to be confused with ppfd…. Completely different

 

[Rootsruler]

The drop in DLI is a result of the shorter photoperiod. The intensity is the same and you slowly increase that to bring the DLI back up.

DLI is a measurement of the amount of photons over the entire day… not to be confused with ppfd…. Completely different

I get that reducing the light period from 18/6 to 12/12 will shorten the DLI but why not increase PPFD so that the total DLI can remain the same? Is there a benefit to lowering then ramping up DLI in the flowering period?

 

[Aqua Man]

I get that reducing the light period from 18/6 to 12/12 will shorten the DLI but why not increase PPFD so that the total DLI can remain the same? Is there a benefit to lowering then ramping up DLI in the flowering period?

You do it to allow the plants to adjust to the ppfd (intensity) with a higher demand for everything as you increase the ppfd , nutrients, transpiration etc…. If you just bang it up there the plants usually stress. Over a slower period they can adjust better. Remember that photosynthetic rates change with intensity not DLI if you went from 24/0 to 12/12 with the same DLI you would be asking the plant to immediately change its photosynthetic rates to double in a single day. Its an acclimation period

 

[Rootsruler]

You do it to allow the plants to adjust to the ppfd (intensity) with a higher demand for everything as you increase the ppfd , nutrients, transpiration etc…. If you just bang it up there the plants usually stress. Over a slower period they can adjust better. Remember that photosynthetic rates change with intensity not DLI if you went from 24/0 to 12/12 with the same DLI you would be asking the plant to immediately change its photosynthetic rates to double in a single day. Its an acclimation period

Got it!! Thanks!!

 

[Scotty 420]

Just a quick update, 3 days into flower & stretching already seems to be starting. Went in last night & my temp/humidity sensor which is usually hanging an inch or 2 above the canopy was buried. Did a top dress with some dry amendments/compost tea & did a feed & water over the weekend. Looking good as far as I can tell, now I'm on the lookout for males, I actually wouldn't mind clearing out some room, lol.

 

[Aqua Man]

Just a quick update, 3 days into flower & stretching already seems to be starting. Went in last night & my temp/humidity sensor which is usually hanging an inch or 2 above the canopy was buried. Did a top dress with some dry amendments/compost tea & did a feed & water over the weekend. Looking good as far as I can tell, now I'm on the lookout for males, I actually wouldn't mind clearing out some room, lol.
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Great job man

 

[Scotty 420]

1 week into flowering, everything still seems to be going pretty well. Definitely into the stretch now, tallest plants are 30" now. Starting to notice what I think are some pistils on a few of them, also have one showing what I think may be the beginning of male parts. It's the only one that seems to have these types of growth on them.

 

[MDK]

1 looks like a total male, no herm
2 looks like a total female, no herm hopefully!

Good eye and good clear pics. I think you are right on the male tho. Reg or fem seed for that one?

I'm kinda thinking...do you have a spot outside to put it? Get some pollen? I got like 4 or so different shits going outside we could make em have some babies? Just thinking...

 

[Scotty 420]

1 looks like a total male, no herm
2 looks like a total female, no herm hopefully!

Good eye and good clear pics. I think you are right on the male tho. Reg or fem seed for that one?

Reg seed, I only had 2 fem seeds left, planted 6 regs hoping to end up with 5. I am OK with a couple males as the tent is packed & watering takes an age at this point lol.

 

[Scotty 420]

I'm kinda thinking...do you have a spot outside to put it? Get some pollen? I got like 4 or so different shits going outside we could make em have some babies? Just thinking...

Haha no I can't go outside with it, my yard is wide open & my wife would kill me if I put a huge plant out for the whole neighborhood to see.

 

[MDK]

We need a donor yard out of range lol. What strain does the male happen to be? If it's a male is there even any thc? I mean

Real talk idk how you did it but you lined up your grow perfect with the outdoor season...my biggest outdoor clone girls just threw pistols today. If there was a way to save your male...throwing it outside would almost be perfect continuance of its stage of flower. Pollen could probably be taken in like 3 weeks or a month.

I know it's something tasty too!

 

[Scotty 420]

We need a donor yard out of range lol. What strain does the male happen to be? If it's a male is there even any thc? I mean

Real talk idk how you did it but you lined up your grow perfect with the outdoor season...my biggest outdoor clone girls just threw pistols today. If there was a way to save your male...throwing it outside would almost be perfect continuance of its stage of flower. Pollen could probably be taken in like 3 weeks or a month.

I know it's something tasty too!

It's actually from a freebie tester pack, it's a cross of sour diesel & a strain called triangle market, don't know a lot about it. They do have some cool purple veining up the stems.

 

[MDK]

Dude I got an idea, I got a buddy in your area, I'll let ya know when he is at work and just go set it in his back yard...I almost had him convinced to be my keeper of males anyway hahaha this would just be his guiding light lmfao

Watch it be your neighbor or some shit

 

[Scotty 420]

Dude I got an idea, I got a buddy in Warrenton, I'll let ya know when he is at work and just go set it in his back yard...I almost had him convinced to be my keeper of males anyway hahaha this would just be his guiding light lmfao

Watch it be your neighbor or some shit

lol I don't have a problem dropping it off at someone's house as long as they know it's coming & are cool with it

 

[MDK]

It would almost be way funnier to me personally if he didn't know. Surprise! He'd call me first I know it!

He is a brother super cool

Man, don't risk your grow for me it's looking magnificent. I think you got a while before that male would do any harm mine were way later and I seem to be clear (knock on wood) of any pollen. I'd consider setting it outside the tent if possible if others share the same sentiment that it's 100% male. I've never seen it so early and so clearly but, the clarity makes it pretty clear in my opinion. I know tomorrow is Father's day (happy motherfuckers day to you by the way) so I could know earliest by tomorrow and maybe set that up for Monday if you decide it sounds cool.

Maybe that wide leaf would chop down some of the grow time on some of these more narrow leaf girls I got currently...I'm Loco man

Have a good one✌

 

[steamroller]

If it is a male and I think there is a chance it still has some safe time left.
Maybe a week or two easy?
I would keep a vigelant eye.
6 regs could should produce 3 males by my math?
I have one strain that is reg [hash plant].
I want two so I planted 4.
We'll see...
Looking real good there Scotty~!

 

[Scotty 420]

Another quick update, about halfway through 2nd week of flowering, been trying to verify sex on the rest of the plants. Been sticking my head in there looking at nodes inside the plant trying to find hairs. Then for some reason I decide to look at the tops. Holy crap there's hairs everywhere. So after looking at all the tops I am pretty sure the entire remaining are all female, 5 of 6 regs ended up being female. I guess I'm just going to have a crowded tent & spend more time than I would have liked watering



Moved the male plant out of the tent just have him under some cheap walmart LEDs that I have to manually turn off & on. And I'm doing a really shitty job of being the timer, he had a 7 on/17 off light cycle yesterday (not like I'm worried about him herming lol). I checked his tops & he's popping balls everywhere, thinking he's coming down tonight.



Did a water/feed last night, everyone still looking pretty healthy as far as I can tell.

 

[MDK]

Hell yea dude. Keep vigilant on looking at your ladies though I thought I was in the clear with 3 females throwing hairs on the top and 2 had balls down below. Herms are the worst imo I'd rather straight up know haha.

Check every bud site you can especially low and on the areas that aren't readily visible. Mine thru balls in the most unseen areas for some reason I almost got caught slippin....don't be me!

Cheers man!

 

[Scotty 420]

Chopped the male down last night & wanted to check to see how well the roots grew through the biodegradable grow bags. I was pretty impressed, definitely like the bags, will use again.

 

[Scotty 420]

Had a super busy weekend, took my 9 year old to his first concert Friday (Fallout Boy) followed by a Cub Scout campout starting at 9:00 the next morning. Which meant I was either going to have to get up super early Saturday morning after being out all night Friday, or get ready for the camping trip Friday during the day. So I ended up just taking Friday off work, plants were actually needing to be watered Friday as well & there was going to be no possible time to water them again before Sunday if I didn't get them done on Friday. I literally ran all day Friday & barely got 2/3 of what I would normally give them in before I just had to give up. The boy had a great time at the concert as well as camping so it was all worth it but a little hectic all weekend to say the least.

Did run into one minor issue, in the craziness trying to get some water on the girls before we left Friday I apparently forgot to turn the fans/heater back on when I left, fortunately the exhaust fan was still on so it wasn't entirely stagnant in there, but when I got back it was like upper 60's in the tent with no air movement. Doesn't really appear to be any issues from it. Did a final lollypopping/light trimming on Sunday, little buds popping up all over the place!!

 

[Cool_Beans]

Beautiful. I love the bud sites at this stage, they always look like happy little faces to me.

 

[Scotty 420]

Weekly update: Not a whole lot notable to report, buds are filling in nicely & starting to get a little frosty. Pics are right after I did a feeding last night.

 

[Scotty 420]

Little late on my weekly update. Buds are starting to fatten up & getting nice & frosty. I have noticed a few lower leaves yellowing & even a few falling off. But tops still seem to be in good shape other than a couple random brown spots on the edge of a couple leaves. Did another feeding last night, they seem to need water about every 3-4 days at this point. I'm actually leaving town to go on a mini vacation this weekend, going to have to water again heavy on Thursday & hopefully they'll be OK until Monday





And a few bud shots:
Bananimal


Sour Triangle Market


Lemon Soap

 

[Amnesia]

Your plants are beautiful! Nicely done!

 

[Scotty 420]

Your plants are beautiful! Nicely done!

Thanks!! I definitely couldn't have done it without all the help I've gotten here.

 

[Scotty 420]

Just another weekly update, halfway through week 6 of flower. Not a whole lot to report, still having some leaves yellow & fall off from the bottom. Thinking may be mag deficiency so I top dressed some epsom salt into them about 5 days ago. My water has a ton of calcium in it so decided to try that as opposed to cal mag. Haven't noticed much difference yet. Also had a couple of tops that I think may have gotten a little light burn, I turned lights up 10% a few days ago & think I may have just pushed them a little too hard, so I dropped the light back down 10%.

Otherwise everything seems to be going pretty well.

 

[MDK]

Lookin good to me, how long the strains go?

Seen alot worse, done alot worse personally...lookin good

 

[Scotty 420]

Lookin good to me, how long the strains go?

Seen alot worse, done alot worse personally...lookin good

The only one I can get info on is the Bananimal, it says it's 70-80 days flowering time, so 10 weeks plus. The other 2 are from freebie breeder test packs, so hard saying.

 

[Scotty 420]

Week 7 of flower update. Everything still pretty much progressing about the same as last week. Still getting some lower leaves yellowing & falling off. After doing some more digging thinking it may actually be a Nitrogen deficiency. Got some bat guano & top dressing it in, we'll see if it helps. May be too little too late anyway, but if nothing else be good to know if it helps for the next run.



And here's a few bud shots:

Sour Triangle Market



Lemon Soap



Bananimal



Getting some cool coloration on the Bananimals & one of the STM's.

 

[Scotty 420]

Just another weekly update, we're a couple days into week 8, coming down the home stretch!! Starting to get a lot of yellowing leaves even on some of the upper leaves. I'm assuming (or hoping) this is just fade, not sure I could do anything with it at this late stage anyway. Buds are fattening up nicely & getting nice & frosty.

One question I do have for @CannaGranny , do you flush the final 2 weeks of flower or just keep feeding as normal right until harvest?



And here's some bud porn:

 

[CannaGranny]

Just another weekly update, we're a couple days into week 8, coming down the home stretch!! Starting to get a lot of yellowing leaves even on some of the upper leaves. I'm assuming (or hoping) this is just fade, not sure I could do anything with it at this late stage anyway. Buds are fattening up nicely & getting nice & frosty.

One question I do have for @CannaGranny , do you flush the final 2 weeks of flower or just keep feeding as normal right until harvest?

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And here's some bud porn:

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Looks great! Congrats Last two weeks I go to straight water. Yes you are seeing it burn up stored N. (As long as it’s yellowing from the bottom up) All is good! When the leaf is completely spent, it will pop off with a gentle pull. If it does not pop off easily, leave it, it’s not quite done yet.
Upon looking closer I see you have some top leaves yellowing, are they also yellowing on the bottom?

 

[Scotty 420]

Looks great! Congrats Last two weeks I go to straight water. Yes you are seeing it burn up stored N. (As long as it’s yellowing from the bottom up) All is good! When the leaf is completely spent, it will pop off with a gentle pull. If it does not pop off easily, leave it, it’s not quite done yet.
Upon looking closer I see you have some top leaves yellowing, are they also yellowing on the bottom?

Thanks!! I can honestly say I don't think I would be having nearly this much success without you sharing your method with me. Yeah those plants started yellowing at the bottom a week or two ago & they have just worked their way up.

 

[MDK]

Nice looking plants gonna be a good run for ya

 

[Scotty 420]

Quick week 9 update, not a whole lot to update, buds continue to fatten up, getting some really pretty fades on them too. One of the Bananimals has gone completely purple on the top, really pretty.

So one of the Lemon Soaps had a branch that really stretched up from the bottom & ended up with a decent sized bud on a not very thick stem. Before I noticed it it had basically almost fully broken off. So I went ahead & cut it off & hung it in my lung room for like 4 days (about 45% RH) as a tester. It was really nice considering it had a quick dry with no cure. Nice dense buds, not harsh with a nice twinge of lemon flavor, definitely caught a nice buzz. (could tell it was early from the high, it was relatively racey) I threw in a picture of what was left of the bud after I had picked 2 lowers & the bottom of the top nug, as well as some bud porn.

 

[MDK]

Funk yeah dude! Looks good