Stoney grows Honey Fried Bananas in RDWC SCROG

[CannaGranny]

15" tall. about four inches more than my 7 gallon pots.

About the same as mine.

i believe this will be a taller girl, breeder says: Tall, open structured, long branching plants. we can pick any height we want without deciding now, if it should be an inch or two higher or lower i'll just move it there and screw it to the wall or put it on brackets in case it needs to be lifted or tilted in any way.

The measurements I gave you the 24” and 18”, are the standard measurements as per the strain. So, 18-24 depending on strain. You think she’s a lanky lady, plan on 24”.

i can squeeze in there so stuff can be mounted up to day zero. i'm pretty good at making things so we can pimp it out country style!!!

Glad you are handy cause as a female I have a hard time explaining building. Not my forte.. I call stuff thing a ma jiggys..

heard! i also remember reading a rumor of a "squash" or something like that so i can't wait for that part!! hehe

Imma test your heart on this one lol.

understood, i'll prepare for the worst!!! i have the light, just gotta hang it and plug it in, same spectrum and all that.

The “worst” is the best!



absolutely!!! only if you're feeling well and up to it though!!!!! i'll post my cell..

Got it! I wrote inside of your quote, so I answered everything, it just in small print below your statements above..

 

[Stoneyluv]

Where did you get that small radiator heater? I have been trying to find a small one but haven't had any luck.

i got it many years ago, wasn't even bought for a grow but i want to say Lowes or maybe walmart... i looked at my online histories and don't see anything there. it's a Westinghouse 700w. i just measured it and it does in fact meet the same specs as the one Goodshit posted.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D83P86ZW/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A21DCV39OQQCJN&psc=1

i use a separate controller plugged in but it is not necessary, the built in thermostat works pretty good on it's own, i used it without controller for long time! it's gotta be at least 15 years old now..

I have ones like this from when my furnace had issues.

Pelonis 1,500-Watt Oil-Filled Radiant Electric Space Heater with Thermostat HO-0279 - The Home Depot

Provide warmth at your space with the help of this Unbranded OilFilled Radiant Electric Space Heater with Thermostat.

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Most Home Depots should have them.

we have a large one like that too.. that thing throws out some killer heat! couple it with a small fan and it's pretty efficient!!

https://a.co/d/4kIVgxh

This is the smallest I've found in a oil filled radiant style

that one is the exact same dimensions as mine.

You would be the first excited about the squash! Most of the time it makes grown men cry! Lol

i wanna do it the right way and if thats what it takes then i'm all in!!!!!

Got it! I wrote inside of your quote, so I answered everything, it just in small print below your statements above..

sounds like a plan.. i will aim for the 24" style but with the added 4" for my buckets and just mock it up to see how it looks and like i said we can always make changes easy peezy!!!

plus i also have a 3D printer so i can make any kind of "thing a ma jiggys" if needed!!!!

i assembled a frame today and marked out all the wire placements, going to put the wire on later tonight. for some reason it didn't sound that big but once it was together i held it out flat and thought wow that's gonna be a lot of buds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it ended up being 45" x 38" i wanted a little room up front for a fan and also to be able to reach the back wall if needed.

i'll mock it all up way ahead of time so i can get your stamp of approval and be ready. and i already own a couple elastic nets from my SOG soil grows so i'm all prepared there too.

Thanks Granny, i really appreciate your help!!!!

 

[Nesta]

I hope you enjoy the RDWC as much as I have. Im running 4 13 gal sites plus a 13 gal res and the numbers have remained extremely stable compared to when I ran 1 site.

 

[Stoneyluv]

I hope you enjoy the RDWC as much as I have. Im running 4 13 gal sites plus a 13 gal res and the numbers have remained extremely stable compared to when I ran 1 site.

i really am, i like the sound of the water.. it's calming!!

once i got the numbers stable there really wasn't any more thinking or work even involved, just checked it every couple days and smiled when it was the same!!

i've been watching your grow for sure!!

 

[Stoneyluv]

@CannaGranny

I put together a screen, hung some brackets, and set it in place..



for now i hinged it against the back wall, when it's time i can lower it down...



and i made a couple marks on the wall so i know when i get to that 6-9 inches above where the screen will sit...



if we have to call an audible on the positioning it's just a few minutes with my screw gun and i can change it no problem.

 

[moe.red]

Looks nice man.

You like those winches?

 

[Stoneyluv]

Looks nice man.

You like those winches?

yes sir i do. both my cabinets have them installed. they're discontinued though so i have a set of spares in the closet!

 

[moe.red]

yes sir i do. both my cabinets have them installed. they're discontinued though so i have a set of spares in the closet!

Newer model? I think bandit has them too? I’d like to try a set in my 4x8

 

[Max]

we have these..pretty cheap . https://tghydroponics.com.au/products/thinkgrow-smart-light-lifter-llt-1?srsltid=AfmBOorO07PKdg4LKgWHo7XKnvIWqcUkAZmCDF_fdCyAEYRNMwkPidD

whats a good store over in the forward flushing states where I could get these stoney..what you have or similar.bugger this place lol.too dear.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Newer model? I think bandit has them too? I’d like to try a set in my 4x8

yea the newer ones i believe are operated via cell phone app and it's one winch for both sides of the light. i don't know anyone that tried them yet but these old ones are almost bulletproof.

Amazon.com

 

[Stoneyluv]

we have these..pretty cheap . https://tghydroponics.com.au/produc...Kdg4LKgWHo7XKnvIWqcUkAZmCDF_fdCyAEYRNMwkPidDP

holy shit batman!!!!! i can get a huge off road style winch that can pick up a house for that price!!!!

 

[Max]

holy shit batman!!!!! i can get a huge off road style winch that can pick up a house for that price!!!!

Haha..I edited my post…when you say hydroponics here they go bling bling ..

 

[Stoneyluv]

i just noticed amazon has their holiday return activated... good time to try out grow stuff for a couple months and still return!!!!

 

[moe.red]

Holy shit these are pricy.

ThinkGrow LED Smart Light Lifter (LLT-1)Default Title

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I don’t think I can justify spending thousands to not pull on some ropes

 

[Stoneyluv]

Holy shit these are pricy.

ThinkGrow LED Smart Light Lifter (LLT-1)Default Title

The LLT-1 light lifter is part of the ThinkGrow modular light lifter system. Its cutting-edge synchronized multi-lifter the operation provides users with a customizable, expandable and easy-to-install system. The lifter is ETL listed and the cable can lift up to 132 lbs, 8.8ft. Buy today!

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I don’t think I can justify spending thousands to not pull on some ropes

yeah thats way too much... i thing the most i paid was $50 for a set, but i really like them and woundn't go without them now.. probably pay up to $300 if i had to.

it's nice to hold a remote in one hand and a light meter in the other and just press a button. i use them at least every two or three days, they don't collect dust at all.

 

[Stoneyluv]

they survived week one...



i've been slowly raising the ph all week to try it a little higher number with the bennies 6.0 right now... i also added some organics by adding floralicious yesterday!!!

i was also thinking of tugging that shorter seedling to the same elevation as the other one... i'm gonna sleep on it though, could end up in devastation so i wanna make sure it's worth it. i think if i remove most of the clay first it will go fine.. 50/50... haha

 

[Observer]

Holy shit these are pricy.

ThinkGrow LED Smart Light Lifter (LLT-1)Default Title

The LLT-1 light lifter is part of the ThinkGrow modular light lifter system. Its cutting-edge synchronized multi-lifter the operation provides users with a customizable, expandable and easy-to-install system. The lifter is ETL listed and the cable can lift up to 132 lbs, 8.8ft. Buy today!

www.ledgrowlightsdepot.com

I don’t think I can justify spending thousands to not pull on some ropes

@LJFarming has some decent(?)winches for cheap

 

[moe.red]

they survived week one...

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i've been slowly raising the ph all week to try it a little higher number with the bennies 6.0 right now... i also added some organics by adding floralicious yesterday!!!

i was also thinking of tugging that shorter seedling to the same elevation as the other one... i'm gonna sleep on it though, could end up in devastation so i wanna make sure it's worth it. i think if i remove most of the clay first it will go fine.. 50/50... haha

If you are bumping your PH up repeatedly with Agsil, you may be getting too much Potassium for girls this little.

Putting this here to compare to tomorrow.




I'm seeing early signs of stress here. Unfortunately things move fast in hydro so you may need to act.

Let's go over your numbers again. Are you still here:

Nutrients are FloraNova series and Agsil16H as a buffer along with plant revolution Orca and King Crab>
starting solution levels are:
70 ppm of K buffer

• 70 ppm of cal/mag
• 100 ppm of Nova grow

=240 total ppm @ 5.5 ph

What is the PH trend? What is the total EC right now and trend?

Can you tell me what Floranova series and which feed chart are you using?



Also it's early but any evidence of biologics in the res or roots? Got a pic?


Buddy I wouldn't worry about pulling that girl up. Hit them with some blue and far red if you want them to grow your way. But don't go up in PPFD, if any pull a touch back overall. I'm a little worried that the cotyledons are getting eaten up this early on the smaller plant. It also looks like stage .1 of tip burn to me. If it were me I would minimize all stresses possible.

Adding organics to a tuned system is usually not a great thing. It's gotta get broken down to be usable, meaning you are actively seeking other types of bacteria. And dealing with the associated waste products. You are going to want some enzymes handy and be prepped to do a water change if you don't get the colony you are looking for. Like snot on the roots and netpot.

I think from a purely scientific viewpoint adding organics is a great practice in soil, adding to hydro is only detrimental. The nutes you are using are chelated to allow direct uptake in usable form without the need for helper biologics. From a master grower's point of view, its fun stuff to play with. Does something like Sea Kelp kick up the terps? I really doubt it but I understand the urge to try shit!

We need to change your user title. Admin in training?

 

[Stoneyluv]

We need to change your user title. Admin in training?

assistant to the reginal manager is perfect Moe, i luv it!!! i was kinda waiting till i actually fixed something before i officially changed it

If you are bumping your PH up repeatedly with Agsil, you may be getting too much Potassium for girls this little.

i've been using KOH, i mix potassium hydroxide with water..



adding extra was also a concern of mine and maybe raising the ph after i already raised and lowered it wasn't the best idea... live and learn and figured i'd find out.

Putting this here to compare to tomorrow.

here's today about 20 hours after that last photo.. please tell me what you're seeing or looking for at this young stage?




the root staining just showed up today from the floralicious, it washes off with clean water.

Let's go over your numbers again. Are you still here:

Nutrients are FloraNova series and Agsil16H as a buffer along with plant revolution Orca and King Crab>
starting solution levels are:
70 ppm of K buffer

• 70 ppm of cal/mag
• 100 ppm of Nova grow

=240 total ppm @ 5.5 ph

yes sir, only adding the floralicious plus raised it 20ppm so now riding right at 260ppm ph 6.0 and 71°

What is the PH trend? What is the total EC right now and trend?

well not much to trend over just nine days, but the solution started at 5.5 and then you mentioned you like 6. for bennies so i added 1ml of KOH to my 25gallon system (actually it's 26 gallons when water level is up at seedling height) daily to bring it up to 6. so trend has been all up since the beginning. stress, i understand i've done this hoping it would be worth it in making the bennies be all that they can be.

Can you tell me what Floranova series and which feed chart are you using?

I've been kinda going by the 8 part and staying just under the low feed recommendations. the only two changes i make are i don't use armor si i use agsil16 in place of it and a 2ml/gal. and i don't use Rapid start because i'm not a millionaire.

for 26 gallons i used 50ml Agsil16 - 25ml KOH then pH down under 7.0 and let sit for an hour then added 12ml calimagic - 25ml novagrow - 12ml orca - 12ml king crab at this point the pH was 5.5 at this time. then after seven days of that i added 25ml of floralicious. Gh strongly suggests adding the floralicious very last because of the small amount of organics in it. i don't think it's much at all.

Also it's early but any evidence of biologics in the res or roots? Got a pic?

as in what? like foam? i tried to take a photo of the rez bottom but the camera wasn't showing what i could see. nothing alarming at all, i felt the bottom and it was squeaky, no slime or any build up of any kind if that's what i'm looking for?

Buddy I wouldn't worry about pulling that girl up. Hit them with some blue and far red if you want them to grow your way. But don't go up in PPFD, if any pull a touch back overall. I'm a little worried that the cotyledons are getting eaten up this early on the smaller plant. It also looks like stage .1 of tip burn to me. If it were me I would minimize all stresses possible.

okay i won't, i'll at least wait till i go to prune then decide then. not much to really gain at this point by doing it.

Adding organics to a tuned system is usually not a great thing. It's gotta get broken down to be usable, meaning you are actively seeking other types of bacteria. And dealing with the associated waste products. You are going to want some enzymes handy and be prepped to do a water change if you don't get the colony you are looking for. Like snot on the roots and netpot.

i can understand that. i chose nova series for a few reasons and the small amount of organics in the floralicious are tiny, but t's what i picked so it's what i'm growing with i don't really mind the staining it brings. but i don't really have a "way" or favorite solution or nutes yet, i'm way too new at this to have any opinion on any of it so i'm just going off of pure advice and common sense. all the what and what not to do will come with time and experiments/mistakes along the way i guess. it's been a lot of fun learning though and although my timing of trying certain changes might not be the best i'm just trying to gain experience.

i'm kinda like the vice assistant to regional management of hydro as well!!!!!!

 

[moe.red]

Those pics look better than yesterday. Must have been lighting.

This is what I was seeing that I no longer do on today's pics

 

[Stoneyluv]

Those pics look better than yesterday. Must have been lighting.

This is what I was seeing that I no longer do on today's pics

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ahh yeah that might have been the lighting, now that i think about it in the first pic i had the grow light on 1% white light and the second pic i took lights out.

i'll look at it again today just to make sure nothing is pale green/yellow like that.

to be honest i was a little concerned with the red in the veins.. isn't this a sign of too much K? and my concern after now adding all the potassium..

 

[moe.red]

ahh yeah that might have been the lighting, now that i think about it in the first pic i had the grow light on 1% white light and the second pic i took lights out.

i'll look at it again today just to make sure nothing is pale green/yellow like that.

to be honest i was a little concerned with the red in the veins.. isn't this a sign of too much K? and my concern after now adding all the potassium..

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Yes keep an eye on K levels for sure, too much will burn veg babies fast.

That seedling looks healthy to me in that pic. I would not sweat the purple in the petiole. That's as likely or more likely to be genetics than K overdose IMO. Lets see how she grows out the next couple of days.

UV can also bring out red petioles on plants that would otherwise not display them. UVA especially from what I have seen. I got pics somewhere where a petiole under UVA was red everywhere except where the petiole was shaded by a leaf above it. Did not impact growth that I could tell.

 

[Stoneyluv]

midway through week two and the growth seems to be steady, same with the pH... steady eddy!!!

lights still the same power... about 200 μmol/s heavy blue/half white/little red

 

[Stoneyluv]

cruzing right into week three since seed and plants are growing. bumped up the white spectrum and now officially in veg stage!!



i know Moe told me not to worry about the shorter plant being lower in the netcup. and i tried, i really did but it was bugging me so i gave her a tug a few days ago.




both plants have little weird spots on their leaves and some of the veins are even mutated a little, nothing that has me worried at this point but just something i noticed. for now i'll call em birthmarks.

pH is 5.8
ppm's are about 260-270 (it seems to bounce back and forth every two days???) maybe just riding at 269 and tips the scale some days. IDK
water temp-71° air temp-78° leaf temp-74° rh-65% vpd 0.7

thinking about bumping the light power up and maybe doing a change out to bring up the EC a couple points. they're still pups yet so maybe i'll just stay the coarse for now. IDK

roots are looking great on both plants, better than they did my first round, these are tougher and pure white compared to my first attempt. speaking of the first attempt the buds are pretty much dry and ready for trimming... i'll smoke some with some friends this weekend and see what they say!! smells awesome though, glad i did the proxide wash!!!

another positive note is the weather stripping i put on is working very well, not a single drip comes out of the lids. been bone dry!



keep on keepin on.. life's a garden, dig it!

 

[moe.red]

How those roots doing? Should have about the same structure below as above or even more root than plant hopefully. The faster the roots grow now proportional to green the better the scrog will fill out later. A lot of that is genetics but you can steer it too.

 

[Stoneyluv]

How those roots doing? Should have about the same structure below as above or even more root than plant hopefully. The faster the roots grow now proportional to green the better the scrog will fill out later. A lot of that is genetics but you can steer it too.

Not great Moe, they're single rooted diving deep just like you said they would.



i was thinking of maybe taking the elbows off of the waterfalls and et the water hit the side of the netcup and then rotate it once in a while, do you think this would do anything at all or am i fucked until next time when i start over?

https://imgur.com/a/czYsocJ

 

[GrumpAzz]

i was thinking of maybe taking the elbows off of the waterfalls and et the water hit the side of the netcup and then rotate it once in a while, do you think this would do anything at all or am i fucked until next time when i start over?

I don't think you want the media soaked. Are you thinking it'll hit the root and imitate some sort of resistance?

 

[Stoneyluv]

I don't think you want the media soaked. Are you thinking it'll hit the root and imitate some sort of resistance?

well my thought was that roots like to grow towards the source so i thought if i made the source come from the side the roots would grow that direction... i know it's even sillier as i just typed it out loud.

would if i "trimmed the dead ends" from the roots, do you think that could promote side growth?

what if i blow real hard down the center of the stem?

i'm not so sure there is anything i can do except live and learn. and laugh!

 

[Observer]

would if i "trimmed the dead ends" from the roots, do you think that could promote side growth?

Possibly

If the ""environment"" allows

 

[moe.red]

You will be fine not fucked. Plants be planting.



The one on the left produces a tall skinny plant in the wild. The one on the right more bushy.

For scrog you want your kushy to be bushy.

None of this is life or death and you still have control with cropping and tucking. It just makes it harder to scrog with an evergreen than a maple kinda thing.

I have not played with trimming roots enough to offer advice. In theory it should work. My advice is don’t do it on this grow.

I don’t put 90s on my waterfalls. The splashing is enough to keep the netpots moist. If there is no water in the media it’s basically a dead zone for microbes and roots. Think air pruning in the netpot as the extreme

In a perfect world top layer of media is dry but below is moist. Helps to prevent things like algae and crown rot while keeping the root zone happy.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Thanks Moe, this all makes sense i get what you're saying!

I don’t put 90s on my waterfalls. The splashing is enough to keep the netpots moist. If there is no water in the media it’s basically a dead zone for microbes and roots. Think air pruning in the netpot as the extreme

In a perfect world top layer of media is dry but below is moist. Helps to prevent things like algae and crown rot while keeping the root zone happy.

got ya.. not sure why i didn't think of it this way before.. i can improve on this part of it for sure. i'm learning that dialing in the nutes is only half of it, dialing in the system is just as important.

 

[moe.red]

Thanks Moe, this all makes sense i get what you're saying!



got ya.. not sure why i didn't think of it this way before.. i can improve on this part of it for sure. i'm learning that dialing in the nutes is only half of it, dialing in the system is just as important.

Dialing it in is what I am talking about. You have a good grow going either way, don't sweat it. But I know you like to dive a little deeper, and the things I am mentioning might help you get to peak plant.

I'll let you know if I ever get there

Root structure and morphology is not something you get to play with much in soil. Clearly it is not needed for a successful grow. But with hydro and having direct access to the roots, why not?

You also have spectrum control, which is another huge tweak zone for us.

BTW - I don;t see the spots on the plants you mentioned. You might be picking fly shit outta pepper on that

 

[Stoneyluv]

I'll let you know if I ever get there

trying new things out is all the fun!!!!

BTW - I don;t see the spots on the plants you mentioned. You might be picking fly shit outta pepper on that

just weird scars, and some of the veins don't align with each other...

 

[moe.red]

Ahh OK.

If it is still throwing these after a few nodes we can take a closer look. Probably genetics and the fact it is still a toddler and will grow out of it. I don't see this as something you are doing but let's watch it.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Ahh OK.

If it is still throwing these after a few nodes we can take a closer look. Probably genetics and the fact it is still a toddler and will grow out of it. I don't see this as something you are doing but let's watch it.

Thanks Moe, if it's not something from me then it might be genetic. both plants have it, the other one is more subtle...

 

[Stoneyluv]

I don’t put 90s on my waterfalls. The splashing is enough to keep the netpots moist. If there is no water in the media it’s basically a dead zone for microbes and roots. Think air pruning in the netpot as the extreme

In a perfect world top layer of media is dry but below is moist. Helps to prevent things like algae and crown rot while keeping the root zone happy

i drew up a drip ring to try out, the water comes from the center of the posts trying to keep the top layers dry and wet the rest.



have you tried something like this before?

 

[moe.red]

i drew up a drip ring to try out, the water comes from the center of the posts trying to keep the top layers dry and wet the rest.

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have you tried something like this before?

Yup yup.

 

[Stoneyluv]

a little side boob action!!!!!

 

[Stoneyluv]

a few days ago i think i found my potassium limits. i've been having an issue with the ph sinking and kept adding KOH on top of what i already had in there i think it was just too much, so i raised the light and did a change out and they seem to be a little better but still not thriving well. i think i want to try a different solution ratio and maybe more N.. right now i'm using about 250ppm of 7-4-10 novagrow and about 60ppm of K buffer and a little floralicious, not much maybe 15ppm of 2-.8-.5

i'm almost out of top off solution, in fact it would all fit in there now without overfilling it so i wanna try something different. what i have ain't jiving!! i'd like to use less buffer and see if i can't get the pH to climb a little. i have a much better handle on that then i did the first go around so i wanna see how much trouble i can get myself into!!! hehe

here are photos to compare a few days ago compared to just now.. old shots first...




and now today.... (left side - left plant.. right - right!!)








for now i gave them both a good spritz of foop foliar... its my go to lockout fixer...

 

[Stoneyluv]

i learned something important about my rain water. when the water is around the 35° mark it really throws off the ppm meter. it was frustrating me last night and i really thought something was in my water. i thought maybe because we didn't have rain for over forty days and that made it dirty when it did rain.. nope, all just the temperature.

of coarse i learned this after i dumped out 25 gallons of perfectly clean cold rain water!!! hahaha

moving forward with a change out.. i went with just 30% of the potassium that i started with last time. before calmag i am at 20ppm. i am going to double the veg nutes from what i had. and will aim for ph 5.8 to match what they're currently at.