Zen Garden 2025

[Observer]

16% rh here

im not bothering

 

[Pipecarver]

16% rh here

im not bothering

My leaves go to shit if I don't pay attention to the RH in veg.

 

[Observer]

My leaves go to shit if I don't pay attention to the RH in veg.

yeah envrionment has gotta be in stable ranges...

im giving these mag sulfate and cutting them soon

 

[Pipecarver]

yeah envrionment has gotta be in stable ranges...

im giving these mag sulfate and cutting them soon

Mag sulfate?
ah Epsom salts. Yes the last few days is a good trick

 

[Observer]

Mag sulfate?

magnesium sulfate, (epsom salt)

was giving then potassium sulfate but no more bud bulking

 

[Pipecarver]

magnesium sulfate, (epsom salt)

was giving then potassium sulfate but no more bud bulking

I get that in the Koolbloom I use, both wet and dry at different times

 

[Observer]

I get that in the Koolbloom I use, both wet and dry at different times

Wanted to get me one of those bags


the dry is more concentrated

 

[Pipecarver]

Wanted to get me one of those bags


the dry is more concentrated

Yes and expensive but I only use it weeks 6-9 at 1/3tsp/gal, it says to use 1/4tsp but my measuring spoons don't have a 1/4tsp so a bit of a bump for them.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Hey, looks good, nice healthy green to them. I think we'll be flipping close to the same time.

Thanks. The one we topped first and made the clone from is doing great.

I think she’s ready any time. I was going to get him to transplant it once more but now I’m debating just leaving them in the one gallon again. She’s 52 days from being potted.

The other is a mess. I kind of hope it’s a male so we have to pull it. Stringy and deformed. But if it’s female we don’t have the time to wait for another.

I have all of my plants transplanted into the Autopots, tent cleaned,trays & new water line's.

I should do the clone and seedling soon. Got the pot and soil set. Just waiting for them to dry out a bit so they don’t fall apart.

Not sure if we’re going to up pot the larger plants yet.

I had serious blocking in my lines with biofilm build up. I bought a filter for the next run and new water line should do the trick at keeping it clean this time.

At least you don’t have leaks. That would be my fear. Glad you’re on top of it. How often will you need to clean the filters?

Yes my basement is cold too & fking dry. I have 2 humidifiers in my tent running full speed and I can barely get to 50%RH in my 5x5.

I got the humidity in a better spot. Staying above 60% for the most part now. Temp has stayed between 17*-21*. Going to try and raise the light and turn it up. But match the current LUX it’s at now.

Do you use trivets at all under your pots? I don't see any lift off the tent floor or do I just have bad eyes?

These trays have grooves. But when I move them to the 3x3 I’ll have them on risers.

 

[Pipecarver]

Thanks. The one we topped first and made the clone from is doing great.
View attachment 90810
I think she’s ready any time. I was going to get him to transplant it once more but now I’m debating just leaving them in the one gallon again. She’s 52 days from being potted.

The other is a mess. I kind of hope it’s a male so we have to pull it. Stringy and deformed. But if it’s female we don’t have the time to wait for another.View attachment 90811


I should do the clone and seedling soon. Got the pot and soil set. Just waiting for them to dry out a bit so they don’t fall apart.

Not sure if we’re going to up pot the larger plants yet.


At least you don’t have leaks. That would be my fear. Glad you’re on top of it. How often will you need to clean the filters?


I got the humidity in a better spot. Staying above 60% for the most part now. Temp has stayed between 17*-21*. Going to try and raise the light and turn it up. But match the current LUX it’s at now. View attachment 90812


These trays have grooves. But when I move them to the 3x3 I’ll have them on risers.
View attachment 90814

I couldn't see them in the pic, I thought you were flat on the ground and that's a no no. Foam insulation and everything, I was going to mention the cold ground the last time, pics tell everything

I have a humidifier in my drying box with RO water. I went to refill it yesterday and my arm brushed against a soaking wet and dripping branch full of buds, saturated wet. fking humidifier & fan conspired against me and threw all the steam coming out the dam thing onto 1 section of the box and soaked some weed. I need a smaller humidifier in there but the small ones run out of water too fast. When I go down there this am if its still soaking my plants out it comes.

 

[Zen_seeker]

20250227:

Transplanted the clone and new seedling today. The new germination pots work but the ridges seem to hold the dirt, damp or dry. Pulls the dirt apart. Need to change that.

Seedling and clone look great. Both are around the two week mark.


Clone roots did well. Can’t believe I grew it in a shot glass in winter.


Added a bit of this…

Clones done.

My son did the seedling. Dirt and root ball came apart but I think we salvaged it.


Moved things around in the tent. Two need to get moved out to the next zone. (The fugly one I topped to let match the hight of the other cola.)

We’ll see what we can do with the two oldest plants this weekend at the latest.

Did I mention the fugly one really bugs me.

 

[Zen_seeker]

20250303:

We moved the two biggest plants into the 3x3 section/zone on the 2nd of March. It should improve the temperature and humidity a bit. I helped out with fugly and gave it a trim and some LST clips.

They look better already. One on the left is stretching out and bushier.

Lights out environment.

Lights on environment.

The clone and seedling are okay. Still a few degrees cooler in zone 1.

Last week it was all about the Haunted Banana.

This week we’re mixing it up starting with Solo August 2023.

Taste is totally different. Still strong and enjoyable.

More snow coming. Little more freezing rain today. Roof seems to have stopped leaking.

 

[Zen_seeker]

20250305:

Things are moving along nicely now, just slower from the low temperatures. The small zone with the clone and newest seedling is having trouble keeping humidity up with the larger plants removed but it’s above 55% last I checked.

Fugly is looking much better. No prize winner but hopefully not a complete disappointment.


The clone and seedling are keeping pace ATM. It would be nice if they stayed relatively the same size.

Feed mix has been the same the last two weeks. 1.5L for the big girls and 1L for the small plants this week. We water down the mix a bit for the younger ones as well.

Botanicare Kind
6ml/g Base 4:0:0
12ml/g Grow 2:2:4
0 Epsom

Watching this week to see if we have any issues/deficiencies. Warmer weather might help but there is a damp chill with all the melt water.

Trying to tell the sex is still difficult. But I feel the best plant and clone are female. As much from my gutt as from what I see. Just can’t get a great pic yet.

Here’s to wishful thinking.

 

[Pipecarver]

Hey, looks good, mine have been flipped for 7 days now, time to give them a good look for balls or pistils today. They are filling my tent and I like it that way, it'll be a shame to pull the Males., everything looks so pretty now.

 

[Max]

Gee she’s still snowing at your joint Zen...when’s it start thawing out lol.

 

[Pipecarver]

20250303:

We moved the two biggest plants into the 3x3 section/zone on the 2nd of March. It should improve the temperature and humidity a bit. I helped out with fugly and gave it a trim and some LST clips.View attachment 91826View attachment 91827

They look better already. One on the left is stretching out and bushier.

Lights out environment.View attachment 91832

Lights on environment. View attachment 91833

The clone and seedling are okay. Still a few degrees cooler in zone 1.View attachment 91828

Last week it was all about the Haunted Banana. View attachment 91829

This week we’re mixing it up starting with Solo August 2023.View attachment 91830View attachment 91831

Taste is totally different. Still strong and enjoyable.

More snow coming. Little more freezing rain today. Roof seems to have stopped leaking. View attachment 91834

Ours is just about gone, after some heavy rain in the 6-7-8-9-10C range and heavy fog yesterday its only left where its been piled up. ground is soggy wet, , still a patch, of ice in the shade by the store but my driveway is real soft and clear

 

[Zen_seeker]

Hey, looks good, mine have been flipped for 7 days now, time to give them a good look for balls or pistils today. They are filling my tent and I like it that way, it'll be a shame to pull the Males., everything looks so pretty now.

Thanks. One we could flip in a week I think but I’d really like to see sex first. I want it under SCROG before I flip so we’ll see.

Really hope you don’t have dudes hiding with the ladies.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Ours is just about gone, after some heavy rain in the 6-7-8-9-10C range and heavy fog yesterday its only left where its been piled up. ground is soggy wet, , still a patch, of ice in the shade by the store but my driveway is real soft and clear

Even after two days of rain and high winds with temperatures above 4* we still have this everywhere that wasn’t shovelled. It was almost fog here the other night …more of a heavy mist.

Got a little worried about leaks but so far so good. They say 10* next week so that will be interesting.

I was surprised that the ground was able to soak up all the water. At one point it was getting high then later nothing. Finally caught a break.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Gee she’s still snowing at your joint Zen...when’s it start thawing out lol.

Depends. But a safe bet is mid April. Rule of thumb it to wait until after May 24th long weekend to plant but frost can still happen.

 

[Zen_seeker]

20250308:

Tents still a few degrees cooler than we like but humidity is good and they seem to be adjusting fine now.

They are starting to stretch a bit even though I bumped the light to 50% the other night. I’ll see if they can do 75% in a few days. Watching the leaves for now.

The clone and last seedling are doing great. Still slow but that’s okay. I’ll top the seedling and clone soon.

I’m happy to say my gut feeling was right. The plant I cloned is female. They both have shown their sex since we looked…three days ago?

Mother


Clone

So we are 2 out of 4 so far. Waiting on fugly and the seedling now.

 

[Zen_seeker]

20250311:

The 3x3 with the older plants is taking off. I had to remove the water can as it’s holding the humidity without it currently.

I think we’re going to SCROG the plant on the right this weekend. Move fugly to the other 3x3 and see what happens.

The clone and seedling are doing great. Topped the clone on Saturday. The seedling is showing wider leaves, more Indica looking. This has happened in the past but it usually grows out before flowering.

Bumped the lights up in both zones. The 3x3 is up to 75%. Getting things ready for a flip. Probably a week after we drop the SCROG net.

Watching the temperatures and humidity. They seem to be in flux. Only Zen 1 is in use, the other tent is shutdown and full of equipment. But it shows the ambient environment. This is the last three days.

The feed mix is now the same but I water it down for the small plants.

9ml 4:0:0 Base
12ml 2:2:4 Grow
1tsp Epsom

Small plants are taking a few days to get light but the larger ones are drinking faster. All are still in 1 gallon pots. Still not sure it’s going to be big enough to support a SCROG but I’m hoping.

 

[Pipecarver]

Hey, fancy printouts you have there, must be some of that new fangled cell phone stuff. I couldn't figure mine out, it sits in a drawer somewhere.

You're using C for temp...lol...I have to convert, I still can't get it, schooling locked in me C doesn't compute easily.

Your humidity is up? I'm still at 39% at my desk top. My humidifiers are working overtime.

I've found balls on 2 so far but I'm going to give a few more days before I call it and pull them. I can still pull the pots from my tent and work with them once I know for sure....2 would be a nice number of males....I could smile with 2 only.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Hey, fancy printouts you have there, must be some of that new fangled cell phone stuff. I couldn't figure mine out, it sits in a drawer somewhere.

It’s the ACI app. I just take a screenshot and chop it. You want help with the phone let me know. I’m not bleeding edge anymore but I’m sure I could help you figure out a cell phone.

You're using C for temp...lol...I have to convert, I still can't get it, schooling locked in me C doesn't compute easily.

You a little older than me. About a decade. Metric kicked in about halfway through my schooling. So now I’m half and half. Fahrenheit and liquids are a problem. But not really an issue these days.

Your humidity is up? I'm still at 39% at my desk top. My humidifiers are working overtime.

I think it’s the warm temps and melt doing it. Basement is a walkout.

Monday morning.


Tuesday morning.

I've found balls on 2 so far but I'm going to give a few more days before I call it and pull them. I can still pull the pots from my tent and work with them once I know for sure....2 would be a nice number of males....I could smile with 2 only.

That’s not bad with your count. I hope 0 males.

I’m pretty sure we’ll be 3/4 but if fugly is female I’ll be 4/4.

 

[Zen_seeker]

20250316:

Busy few days. We trimmed a bit, made changes to lights, split up the plants, checked for sex, and put up a SCROG.

Turning up the Photontek to 75% didn’t work out so well. After two days the plants looked over watered even though the were dry. Temperature and humidity stayed in the same general areas. High was 27* & 47RH. When watering didn’t bring them around we turned the light back to 50%. About 12hrs later they looked fine. This is at 75%.

After the plants perked up we SCROGed the female.


The Fugly is still pending sex…

The clone and newest plant are doing good. Need to top the broad leaved plant.

We will veg the SCROG through the week then flip by the weekend, if all goes well. I’m going to raise the light up and see if we can get it to 75% so it’s ready for flower.

Fugly should be showing sex by next weekend. It’s only a week or so younger than the female.

The smaller plants can stay where they are or move to the other tent. Depends if we chuck or SCROG Fugly.

Grow wise it’s been a pretty good week. Warmer temps but damp chill air. We still have piles of snow but they are melting pretty quick. Should be gone by Wednesday I think.

 

[steamroller]

Calling fugly male.
Good call on turning the light down.
I will need to remember that when I see the same.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Calling fugly male.
Good call on turning the light down.
I will need to remember that when I see the same.

I agree, but we need the count. Hoping we’re both wrong and it’s just a fugly girl.

 

[Zen_seeker]

20250318:

Did a few things since the last post. Trimmed the two lowest nodes off the clone and seedling. The clone gave us three tops. Only just topped the seedling. Both are around 65-70 RH and 18-24*. Makes the nodes grow tightly together it seems.

Same strain but every once in a while I get one with real wide leaves. That’s fine, I need some Indica in our routine.


The plant in SCROG is doing fine. Bent and abused branches are healing, growing past the net. Next round will be tucking. Maybe some trimming…it’s looking dense in the middle. We raised the light then raised the intensity to 75% again. Before changes LUX was 26000, after is 30000. Last time it was 34000 and too much.


Fugly is improving after the LST and trimming. Until we see balls or boobs it’s going to sit there. After which it’s SCROG or Bokashi.

So far it’s three, including me, that think it’s male. One that thinks otherwise. Just wish it would hurry the hell up. Bloody inconsiderate.

Current feed mix:
6ml Base 4:0:0
12ml Grow 2:2:4
2.5ml ProCal 2:0:0

Going to talk to the boy and see what his timeline is. Want to add bloom nutes a bit early before flip.

At least the new bubble straw arrived.

 

[Observer]

20250318:

Did a few things since the last post. Trimmed the two lowest nodes off the clone and seedling. The clone gave us three tops. Only just topped the seedling. Both are around 65-70 RH and 18-24*. Makes the nodes grow tightly together it seems.

Same strain but every once in a while I get one with real wide leaves. That’s fine, I need some Indica in our routine.
View attachment 93864

The plant in SCROG is doing fine. Bent and abused branches are healing, growing past the net. Next round will be tucking. Maybe some trimming…it’s looking dense in the middle. We raised the light then raised the intensity to 75% again. Before changes LUX was 26000, after is 30000. Last time it was 34000 and too much.
View attachment 93865

Fugly is improving after the LST and trimming. Until we see balls or boobs it’s going to sit there. After which it’s SCROG or Bokashi.View attachment 93866

So far it’s three, including me, that think it’s male. One that thinks otherwise. Just wish it would hurry the hell up. Bloody inconsiderate.

Current feed mix:
6ml Base 4:0:0
12ml Grow 2:2:4
2.5ml ProCal 2:0:0

Going to talk to the boy and see what his timeline is. Want to add bloom nutes a bit early before flip.

At least the new bubble straw arrived. View attachment 93869

Nice meth pipe

 

[SSgrower]

Boo-Yah! SS nice setup. Cheers!

 

[Zen_seeker]

20250321:

Things are still progressing, slowly. The clone and seedling have been in veg a week or more now. Clone was topped a while ago but the seedling was just last weekend. Because of the environment the tight nodes are giving us multiple new tops on both.

The seedling is showing a lot more Indica traits which happens on occasion. Most grow out of it but I’m hoping this one keeps going. It’s nice to have a different experience.

I might have to move these to the bigger zone soon. More head room but same size.


The larger plants are at that stage I sometimes see where they need watering more often but not too often. They will go from dry to over watered if you don’t time it right. I told him to error on the side of under-watering. They come back to life almost before your eyes but we don’t want to be doing that in flower.

Fugly has to be near time to show the sex. It was less than two weeks behind the other plant.

I put the Dummy 13 back in. We’ll see how creative I’m feeling as the grow goes on.

Local weather has been -2* one morning and 14* the next. High of 19.5* in the shade the other day. Pick a lane!

Looking to flip the SCROG in a week or so. Hoping Fugly will be female and join her. Harvest would be late May.

I’ll be showing him how to trim and defoliate this weekend. Look for any issues and open things up as needed.