Cannabis and o2 in the rootzone

[Rootsruler]

Ot more do just better gas exchange keeping the water closer to saturation

I might try and do the airstone at the bottom of the pot vs oxygenated res with a waterfall to see if there is a difference.

 

[Observer]

So we hydro guys know how corrosive that shit is (eg, don't get it on you because that shit buuuuurns)

This is what 34% h2o2 does to your skin

Feels like a bunch of microscopic needles.

For the sake of knowledge to the people

 

[moe.red]

So with the increased levels of O2, what implications happen with the pH and the corrosiveness of the solution? Given H2O2 is effectively water with a boosted level of O2, and we hydro guys know how corrosive that shit is (eg, don't get it on you because that shit buuuuurns), are you effectively creating H2O2 in the res? Or despite the elevated concentration of O2, you're still not reaching the point where there's the chemical reaction to bind the excess oxygen to the H2O molecule?

Trying to understand the underlying chemistry that's going on here, or could potentially occur.

Oxygen does not like to be a single atom. 2 combine together to make O2, what most people refer to as Oxygen.

It would take energy or a chemical reaction to split an O2 molecule into 2 O atoms which could then bind with H2O to make H2O2. That's not happening in our res. There just is no pathway for the chemistry to happen given the inputs.

 

[Franksta]

Thought these were kinda neat lol

This is what I'm working with. I've got a few more of them also

So what's a good way to setup? In a bucket or something else?

The stuff is in Solo cups with substrates right now hmmm

 

[Observer]

Oxygen does not like to be a single atom. 2 combine together to make O2, what most people refer to as Oxygen.

That makes o(2) make more sense lol

 

[Observer]

This is what I'm working with. I've got a few more of them also

So what's a good way to setup? In a bucket or something else?

The stuff is in Solo cups with substrates right now hmmm
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Connect it to your solution mix or create a chamber under the roots

 

[Franksta]

So with the increased levels of O2, what implications happen with the pH and the corrosiveness of the solution? Given H2O2 is effectively water with a boosted level of O2, and we hydro guys know how corrosive that shit is (eg, don't get it on you because that shit buuuuurns), are you effectively creating H2O2 in the res? Or despite the elevated concentration of O2, you're still not reaching the point where there's the chemical reaction to bind the excess oxygen to the H2O molecule?

Trying to understand the underlying chemistry that's going on here, or could potentially occur.

H2O+ O2 isn't simply = h202. I think you're incorrect here

It might affect pH as you suggested but it's 02 gas in the H20. Not a formed molecule

hydrogen peroxide by electrolysis with sulfuric acid introduced the more efficient electrochemical method. But there are other pathways

 

[tobh]

This is what 34% h2o2 does to your skin

Feels like a bunch of microscopic needles.

man, when i first started using 34% i got large droplets on my arms and legs. big ass white ashy spots for days. didn't heed the warnings about how corrosive that stuff is and learned the hard way

Oxygen does not like to be a single atom. 2 combine together to make O2, what most people refer to as Oxygen.

It would take energy or a chemical reaction to split an O2 molecule into 2 O atoms which could then bind with H2O to make H2O2. That's not happening in our res. There just is no pathway for the chemistry to happen given the inputs.

that makes sense, appreciate the clarification!

 

[tobh]

H2O+ O2 isn't simply = h202. I think you're incorrect here

you are correct in that thought. brain meats aren't firing all the well today, especially now looking at the two chemical signatures side by side like that

 

[Aqua Man]

That makes o(2) make more sense lol

Look at @Moe.Red design this is really gis area

 

[Observer]

This is what 34% h2o2 does to your skin

Feels like a bunch of microscopic needles.

For the sake of knowledge to the people

Yet, to take a lighter to it and see if anything happens lol

 

[moe.red]

I'll back up what @Aqua Man said re: venturis. Of the various methods for increasing surface area of a solution and maximizing DO, venturis have been my absolute favorite method. Almost nothing else compares imo

One caution on Venturis - they are not all created equal.

The ones they call venturis in the tiny aquarium power heads are not, really just a mixing spot where the water moving past the air entrance port causes a low pressure and "sucks" in some air.

These will stir the water and help with surface oxygenation, but do fuck all on direct water oxygenation. I've tested this multiple times because I did not believe it.

Real venturis like the ones used for commercial purposes have a high pressure zone on the output where the water and air mix under pressure. This is what causes DO to go up.


That is a proper venturi.

These are as effective as farting in the tub

 

[Observer]

man, when i first started using 34% i got large droplets on my arms and legs. big ass white ashy spots for days. didn't heed the warnings about how corrosive that stuff is and learned the hard way

that makes sense, appreciate the clarification!

Haha, yea the stings are fucking annoying.

Last maybe 10-30 minutes

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

These are as effective as farting in the tub

Make sure and give this valuable info to Bubbles, er, never mind

 

[Observer]

One caution on Venturis - they are not all created equal.

The ones they call venturis in the tiny aquarium power heads are not, really just a mixing spot where the water moving past the air entrance port causes a low pressure and "sucks" in some air.

These will stir the water and help with surface oxygenation, but do fuck all on direct water oxygenation. I've tested this multiple times because I did not believe it.

Real venturis like the ones used for commercial purposes have a high pressure zone on the output where the water and air mix under pressure. This is what causes DO to go up.

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That is a proper venturi.

These are as effective as farting in the tub

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Sweet thanks for the info

 

[Franksta]

Ot more do just better gas exchange keeping the water closer to saturation

Yeah agree there's a lot of different types of strategies and methods deployable for efficient effect depending on the type of grow conditions

It's a wonder why farmers are not using these types of approach in low water environment

 

[Franksta]

It wasn’t lol but the plant did ok and were severely neglected… look at moes root porn it will be a much better example. I tortured those plants

What about the flowering ends?.... Was the bud solid and oily? Did you experience little to no heat stress or... What's it called... When the buds look funny and less dense

 

[Aqua Man]

What about the flowering ends.... Did you experience little to no heat stress or... What's it called... When the buds look funny and less dense

Foxtailing nope had none… the over 90f water the water temp lol… not air whoch is absurd by most standards … i neglected the fuck outa the plants. They just seemed to take shit standing up…. Its hard to quantify but they just seemed almost bullet proof in some regard. Had crown rot from poor conditions and laziness but treated and recovered amazingly as it’s usually a death sentence. Short veg i think 3 weeks and buds as big as 2 litre bottles. In large part due to the genetic but i cant explain how much it seemed to improve health and recovery rates. Its just something hard to quantify

 

[moe.red]

Did someone say root porn? One of my all time favorite so far.

 

[Observer]

Did someone say root porn? One of my all time favorite so far.

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I came

 

[Franksta]

I'm going to place the 6" air stone plate I have at the bottom of a plastic nursery pot and fill it with some Roots Original potting mix. Any observations/suggestions? I know this has been tried before with airstones placed in the middle of the root zone with mixed results. Wondering if cationic activity is part of why in regards to raised O2 in the soil.

The cation exchange capacity of a soil determines the number of positively-charged ions cations-that the soil can hold.

Oxygen in it's elemental form is+1. As 02 it's weakly -2

 

[Franksta]

Depends on what you mean by start. If you mean a full grow then yes. I'll get back to fog and O2 in that tent once the soil grow is harvested. Still in veg currently.

But I am running the concentrator right now in the fog cloner.

I have no experience with doing this in soil. Why it seems to me to work better hydro is you can seal up the res and pump it full of O2 and leave it there. With soil and coco in a pot - I'm sure there is some benefit but not like where you can trap and hold the O2 on the roots.

oxygen saturation extremism. It's a solid strategy IMO


I would be looking closely at all the possible delivery route

 

[Franksta]

Yay I got a half dozen of them . Maybe this is the low maintenance ticket

I've got the dwelling going up so growing is just some experiment and learning what is feasible this season

Looks like lower water consumption which is ideal for up here

I should use cedar boards for the top maybe

 

[moe.red]

oxygen saturation extremism. It's a solid strategy IMO


I would be looking closely at all the possible delivery route

I'm listening.

Here is what I have tried:

O2 at different rates:

55% @ 3lpm
65% @ 2lpm
90% @ 1lpm

Injected via powerhead venturi
Directly bubbled

I have always had leaks. My new system is much tighter. I still need to test but the big fog tent was not really that high - like 60% was all I could reach even at 90% over a long time undisturbed.

The cloner on the other hand I was pumping that full. 300% atmospheric. Wowza.

In terms of DO water out of the RO tank is between 7 and 8 mg/L. I was getting mid 20's in the cloner.

Results are impressive.

Have you seen my fog setup? What would you try to change on the delivery?

 

[Rootsruler]

Did someone say root porn? One of my all time favorite so far.

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Oooooohhh!!! Root Porn!!!

 

[Observer]

I'm listening.

Here is what I have tried:

O2 at different rates:

55% @ 3lpm
65% @ 2lpm
90% @ 1lpm

Injected via powerhead venturi
Directly bubbled

I have always had leaks. My new system is much tighter. I still need to test but the big fog tent was not really that high - like 60% was all I could reach even at 90% over a long time undisturbed.

The cloner on the other hand I was pumping that full. 300% atmospheric. Wowza.

In terms of DO water out of the RO tank is between 7 and 8 mg/L. I was getting mid 20's in the cloner.

Results are impressive.

Have you seen my fog setup? What would you try to change on the delivery?

I don't think I've seen you're cloner

 

[smoke]

Did someone say root porn? One of my all time favorite so far.

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Were these roots from clone or seed?

 

[moe.red]

Were these roots from clone or seed?

Seed. That one was a female. From reg Durban Poison IBL.

I'm going to grow that one again when I get thru all my current plans. I have too many things I want to grow.

On that one I went very blue in the spectrum and shortened the plants significantly. Durban is normally a tall plant.

 

[moe.red]

I don't think I've seen you're cloner

I just posted some new clones from anthem.

https://budbuilders.org/threads/reds-thread-all-things-cannabis.178/post-22659

 

[smoke]

Seed. That one was a female. From reg Durban Poison IBL.

I'm going to grow that one again when I get thru all my current plans. I have too many things I want to grow.

On that one I went very blue in the spectrum and shortened the plants significantly. Durban is normally a tall plant.

Im interested to see the root development on these clones your running now