First Time.

[moe.red]

Hold up on reading it all again(unless you want to). I'll make a quick list of everything that was added and the times i've checked on it.

I read it all anyhow. I’m impressed with your build. A couple of things…

That air pump is going to be hot and noisy. If that’s a problem there are solutions.

If your res temps start to creep up let’s talk.

How are you exchanging air in the lung room? I’m a little unclear on the environmental stuff.

 

[moe.red]

I appreciate it Moe. I bout fell asleep rocking the little one.

Yes, watering a seedling. No leaves showing yet, just a seed that had popped a nice lookin root. I threw it in the system because the ph was sitting right at 5.8 and I've been waiting for this moment for a long time

I wasn't sure when to add the bennies and may have misunderstood some info I had read. I was under the impression that it couldn't hurt.

Go get some rest. I wasn't gonna do anything tonight, anyway. I wanted to ponder on all this and formulate the right questions.

So just to be clear hygrozyme is not bennies. Kinda the same special class but it’s enzymes. For the most part they are used to kinda exfoliate roots in laymen’s terms. You do not need to use this product often and never on seedlings.

Other bennies that are bacteria or fungi should be in place day 1. I like to really super inoculate the media in the net cup. I’ll find one of those vids and post it. Most of my stuff is over at the farm.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Yes the air pump was noisy as hell and hanging it like that was the best thing I found to control it. Not so much of an issue anymore, since my AC runs most of the time anyway. It's either on fan or cool, constantly.

I installed a window unit in that little window next to my room. Then, I hung a very heavy blanket as a makeshift door to my "lung room". My intake is located in the wall there and filters the air coming in.

Last night, res temps made it to 74 but, overnight, dropped to 70. I turned my heater a little last night and I think the heat shut itself down with it's built in thermostat.

I can grab some pictures when I get out of the shower.

 

[moe.red]

It ticked up to 6.4 overnight. Now I'm feeling stuck, so here are my thoughts.

I need a new batch of nutes. My buffer failed. However, the potassium silicate won't be here til next week sometime. Can I achieve essentially the same buffering capabilities by starting with ph Up, then bring it down? I know that's a costly method but I should, in theory, only need to do this once. After the silica arrives, I can do it right and either amend my solution then, or mix another batch. I don't mind a somewhat pricey error. It helps reinforce the lesson learned. Honestly, I just don't want to wait anymore. I'm getting antsy. Waiting is no issue, however, just a little setback.

Should I also start another seed?

I've also ordered some netpot covers and was debating ordering some grow sponges. I can't remember who it was (maybe Cool_Beans), but someone on the farm suggested them to me a while back. From what I can tell, they seem pretty easy and straight-forward. Or, should I go with some rock-wool cubes? I've read that they can be finicky.

No need for worry my dude. We got you.

First off just add ph down to 5.8. Always dilute by grabbing a cup of red water adding the down to the cup and slowly dumping in the res.

You are not in emergency mode.

I really need to get to pc so I can grab your photos and edit them but for the time being please do not add anything else. Seedlings have everything they need inside to get them through to the first set of true leaves and only need water. Adding all the nutes was a bit premature. Again not an emergency.

The netpot covers can be a very simple cloth like smoke mentioned. You will only need them for a week or less.

I would not start another seed yet we can make that decision later this weekend as we work thru this.

 

[moe.red]

Yes the air pump was noisy as hell and hanging it like that was the best thing I found to control it. Not so much of an issue anymore, since my AC runs most of the time anyway. It's either on fan or cool, constantly.

I installed a window unit in that little window next to my room. Then, I hung a very heavy blanket as a makeshift door to my "lung room". My intake is located in the wall there and filters the air coming in.

Last night, res temps made it to 74 but, overnight, dropped to 70. I turned my heater a little last night and I think the heat shut itself down with it's built in thermostat.

I can grab some pictures when I get out of the shower.

Dude you are posting while in the shower? Outstanding dedication!

We probably want to move the air pump in front of the ac. Maybe think about switching to a different style on a future grow.

I’d love a video of the whole space including the ac and venting of the lung room plus the plumbing when you get a minute. I think I understand it but just show me all tho he B parts and point and explain so I don’t assume something and give bad advice.

I’ll get to the shower in a bit and after I’ll start talking about all those bottles on the wall and help you formulate a game plan that makes sense. I’m not taking my phone in the shower with me. I know, slacker. But I’m not really. The slacker around here is stream roller.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I wasn't going to do anything til I had a better understanding. Those were just my inexperienced thoughts being a little intrusive.

I'll grab a video and include everything I can think of.

Those bottles on the wall weren't all guarenteed a spot in the game. Most will ride the bench while I figure this out. Nutrient research was a muthafucka and I did that very early on, so I just grabbed what's included in their 9 part mix. I've read a ton since about how the 3 part will grow fine buds.

 

[moe.red]

I wasn't going to do anything til I had a better understanding. Those were just my inexperienced thoughts being a little intrusive.

I'll grab a video and include everything I can think of.

Those bottles on the wall weren't all guarenteed a spot in the game. Most will ride the bench while I figure this out. Nutrient research was a muthafucka and I did that very early on, so I just grabbed what's included in their 9 part mix. I've read a ton since about how the 3 part will grow fine buds.

Not just fine buds, often better ones. I’ll explain in detail later.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I took a video but it says file too large. I'll snag another one and try to make it shorter and to the point. It might take more than one video.

 

[moe.red]

yeah sorry man, there is a limit to our storage, and we have to put the brakes somewhere.

Long vids can be put on youtube or vimeo and linked here.

Vids (shooting at 4K is overkill, 1080 is good) will generally be ok up to a minute or a little longer.

We are looking at moving the site to a place with unlimited disk space if the funds come in, then this will get opened up.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I cut down the resolution and made it brief. Let me know whatbelse you want to View attachment 20230422_082651.mp4see.

 

[moe.red]

Rapid start is on the bubble. Depends on how you use it.

Stuff with red X I'm going to ask you to set aside this grow. I know you don't know me from Adam, but trust me.

We need to consider some Fulvic Acid. You have humic from GH there, but I really don't like their formulation, and fulvic is better than humic although very similar.

Things like Klear are junk in a bottle that will only take $ out of your pocket at best.

You may want to have some H2O2 (peroxide) on the shelf for emergencies. No need to overpay on that.

This will not hurt you, but I prefer not to have a DI on my RO. Anything you strip out you have to put back in.

A set of beakers is nice, especially a 1l to help with bennies and mixing. H2O2 test strips are cheap at amazon and if you need to add H2O2 they are a benefit to have on the shelf.

 

[moe.red]

I cut down the resolution and made it brief. Let me know whatbelse you want to View attachment 1002see.

Does the AC infinity exhaust into the area with the AC unit?

Did you post your environmental data and I missed it?

 

[moe.red]

Also when you run out of southern ag we should switch to a product that is more inclusive. Orca and Great White are examples.

 

[Moshmen]

I'm trying to wrap my head around that price tag lol.

Right even with the valve there’s $20 in parts there retail !

 

[GrumpAzz]

The exhaust is sent outside.

By environmental data, do you wanna see the graph from the ACI app? Here's the last couple weeks.


Poor timing I think. You were on your way out of the farm as I was coming in, asking all my questions. Then I got going before I came over here. I stopped getting as much helpful info to my questions and just decided to run with it.

It's only slightly disappointing to have gone the wrong direction with a couple things. Otherwise, it's just another hurdle that will be overcome. Getting things figured out is equally rewarding, so thanks man.

 

[Moshmen]

Dude you are posting while in the shower? Outstanding dedication!

We probably want to move the air pump in front of the ac. Maybe think about switching to a different style on a future grow.

I’d love a video of the whole space including the ac and venting of the lung room plus the plumbing when you get a minute. I think I understand it but just show me all tho he B parts and point and explain so I don’t assume something and give bad advice.

I’ll get to the shower in a bit and after I’ll start talking about all those bottles on the wall and help you formulate a game plan that makes sense. I’m not taking my phone in the shower with me. I know, slacker. But I’m not really. The slacker around here is stream roller.

Idk I’m pretty fuckin lazy! Lol - mist of my career R&D work developed from laziness’s

 

[Moshmen]

Moe has got u- I’m a soul dude just trying to learn - y is the rh so high ? Nuttin to do with the swing but just curious ?

 

[GrumpAzz]

Moe has got u- I’m a soul dude just trying to learn - y is the rh so high ? Nuttin to do with the swing but just curious ?

I've been trying to hover around the temps that allow my fan and humidifier to work together properly. Too high of temps and the humidifier can't keep up. I've been trying to keep my VPD near .5 for germination/propagation. At 74°, the chart I'm using calls for roughly 75-80% humidity. I'm going straight from a germinated seed to the hydroton and thus trying to keep the rh in that zone. As I begin to veg, the tent won't need that high of humidity.

I'm also brand new to this so I really don't know what I'm doing . That aloe in my profile pic is literally the only plant I've ever successfully taken care of. It's been roughly 15 years since it was given to me and has gotten a little out of control over the last couple years.

 

[Moshmen]

I’m very unconventional I run a perpetual guess I really need to start a thread today even with bugs , anyways I’m not saying it’s right or wrong cuz as I said I’m a little unconventional- but I would freak if my humidity was that high - even in my propagation tent it may slow things down but i personally in no hurry - again im in soil and different but I run around 80/85 and 50/60 rh almost all the time ,

And may irritate some but I gave up on that chart a couple years ago - I do kinda shoot for .75-1 but not really leaf temp isthe most important to me right or wrong ?

 

[moe.red]

The exhaust is sent outside.

By environmental data, do you wanna see the graph from the ACI app? Here's the last couple weeks.
View attachment 1003

Poor timing I think. You were on your way out of the farm as I was coming in, asking all my questions. Then I got going before I came over here. I stopped getting as much helpful info to my questions and just decided to run with it.

It's only slightly disappointing to have gone the wrong direction with a couple things. Otherwise, it's just another hurdle that will be overcome. Getting things figured out is equally rewarding, so thanks man.

Where is your sensor?

 

[moe.red]

I’m very unconventional I run a perpetual guess I really need to start a thread today even with bugs , anyways I’m not saying it’s right or wrong cuz as I said I’m a little unconventional- but I would freak if my humidity was that high - even in my propagation tent it may slow things down but i personally in no hurry - again im in soil and different but I run around 80/85 and 50/60 rh almost all the time ,

And may irritate some but I gave up on that chart a couple years ago - I do kinda shoot for .75-1 but not really leaf temp isthe most important to me right or wrong ?

Mosh I don't think you could irritate anyone that didn't 100% deserve it.

Here is my feeling on VPD. Worth every penny you didn't pay for it.

VPD is a tool. A measurement of what is real. No different than PPM or PH or PPFD.

You can ABSOLUTELY grow well without measuring or controlling those things - just look at outdoor growers.

If something goes wrong, VPD can help, especially the new grower, get back on track.

VPD, along with PPFD and available CO2 sets the speed the plant will grow. Together, they are the gas pedal.

6CO2+6H2O→C6H12O6+6O2

That is photosynthesis, no more, no less. There are no nutrients there. Just CO2, Water and light which becomes sugar and oxygen.

What VPD does is set the speed at which CO2 is taken into the plant. It opens and closes stomata. IT changes how fast water moves from the roots to the leaves. You can imagine, being out of balance here is like trying to drive your car with the air intake filter blocked off.

So yeah., I teach VPD not as some kind of religion, but a thing that new growers can focus on and achieve to minimize problems as their thumb gets greener.

That said, 70%+ is excessive, even for seedlings.

If you have an iR temp gun and can shoot a leaf temp, especially the bottom of a large fan leaf in full sun, I'll show you some calculations and explain what is happening inside the plant based on your setpoints.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Also when you run out of southern ag we should switch to a product that is more inclusive. Orca and Great White are examples.

This is funny. I gathered from the farm that SA was an essential part of a live system and, in turn, bought two jugs of the stuff .

I've pursued and given up on many hobbies in the past. However, I'm pretty pot passionate and have always wanted grow. With this venture, part of my intial planning came with giving up in mind. This is a project I absolutely refuse to give up on. In my head, I will perservere to a greater extent, knowing I've put a lot of money into it. So a little waste here and there just adds to that contingency plan, if you will.

Where is your sensor?

Sorry. I might've thrown you a curveball when I mentioned the SF probe. I just hate that thing. I only use it to monitor my little lab area.

Top of the lid - 12"
Probe - 16 1/2" centered and to the side
Light - 40" at 10% 18/6 cycle

Also, the video didn't catch this.

 

[moe.red]

OK perfect.

There is nothing wrong with southern AG. As far as what it is, best bang for your buck on the market.

What it is - a single species of bacteria.

Bacillus amyloliquefaciens​

Bacillus amyloliquefaciens - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is perhaps the best of the bacteria species for out-competing pythium and other nasties in our root zone environment. The plants will create exudates - sugars and other things they push out the roots specifically to call in and feed those bacteria in a symbiotic relationship. This is one reason you do not want molasses as I see all the time, the plant needs to feed the colony, not you.

What comes in Orca is BA, and a BUNCH of other symbiotic species including beneficial fungi that significantly enhance root health. So with a product like this, you get the BA and a lot of other good things as well.

Not worth throwing out the AG, just don't buy it again for this particular use IMO.

 

[moe.red]

Hey Grump, just so you know I made all those same buying mistakes and still have the bottles on the shelf years later to prove it. The local grow shop is about 20% good stuff you need, and about 80% crap to empty your wallet. It's just the way capitalism works.

 

[GrumpAzz]

What comes in Orca is BA, and a BUNCH of other symbiotic species including beneficial fungi that significantly enhance root health. So with a product like this, you get the BA and a lot of other good things as well.

Not worth throwing out the AG, just don't buy it again for this particular use IMO.

And see.. since I've moved in with the builders (more fitting since I'm in construction, not farming), I've seen you tout Orca a few times. I assumed they were the same thing, but like you said, more bang for your buck. I didn't have a full understanding and already had my SA by the time I was hearing about Orca.

I'll add that to the list with potassium silicate and something for the fulvic acid (or was it muric).

 

[moe.red]

Old pic. Did a fair amount of testing. Need to button that up and post it.

Zoom in on the orca. You can clearly see different colors, shapes, and densities of different colonies growing.

 

[smoke]

This is funny. I gathered from the farm that SA was an essential part of a live system and, in turn, bought two jugs of the stuff .

I've pursued and given up on many hobbies in the past. However, I'm pretty pot passionate and have always wanted grow. With this venture, part of my intial planning came with giving up in mind. This is a project I absolutely refuse to give up on. In my head, I will perservere to a greater extent, knowing I've put a lot of money into it. So a little waste here and there just adds to that contingency plan, if you will.

Sorry. I might've thrown you a curveball when I mentioned the SF probe. I just hate that thing. I only use it to monitor my little lab area.
View attachment 1009
Top of the lid - 12"
Probe - 16 1/2" centered and to the side
Light - 40" at 10% 18/6 cycle
View attachment 1008
Also, the video didn't catch this.

What are you using the peroxide for

 

[GrumpAzz]

What are you using the peroxide for

I used it when I cleaned up all my tubs and shit. I had tap water running in the system a few weeks before I got my RO system put in. I bleached things and then rinsed it with a peroxide solution before really starting. It's been sitting idle since.

 

[smoke]

Thanks, reading through the thread im reading live then you show that.

Your chasing your tail and you haven't even started. Slow down and take your time then it will be fun and frustrating at the same time. Lol

 

[moe.red]

Thanks, reading through the thread im reading live then you show that.

Your chasing your tail and you haven't even started. Slow down and take your time then it will be fun and frustrating at the same time. Lol

I was excited when I started too! You couldn't hold me back.

Let's walk down.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Thanks, reading through the thread im reading live then you show that.

Your chasing your tail and you haven't even started. Slow down and take your time then it will be fun and frustrating at the same time. Lol

Yeah sorry. Moe mentioned needing it for emergencies so that was just a follow up for him.

Live is definitely more interesting to me. I raised dart frogs for a while and the live soil was nearly as cool as the darts themselves. The various isipods and springtails were sometimes just as fun to observe.

Chasing my tail, maybe. I see it as taking a step back. I hit plenty of hurdles while building the res room and once I thought I was ready, turned out, my water was shit. It really got me to slow down and not worry so much. I'm just a chronic overthinker and eager to learn.

The since of urgency here started with a ph rise. Then, as Moe investigated, we've found some other things that need addressed. I've stepped away fom the operation aside from top-feeding the seedling in there somewhere. Still keeping an eye on ph, which is 6.4 currently.

 

[moe.red]

The since of urgency here started with a ph rise. Then, as Moe investigated, we've found some other things that need addressed. I've stepped away fom the operation aside from top-feeding the seedling in there somewhere. Still keeping an eye on ph, which is 6.4 currently.

You can bring that down to 5.8 with PH down. Then lets watch the trend again.

One of the things about RDWC is it forces a learning curve on you that doesn't happen in soil. The upshot is once you learn this stuff the grow style will result in faster larger harvests. You have the right attitude and will be just fine.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Currently doing dad stuff but will give it a shot of Down when I get the chance. I'm thinking a 4-5mL dose should be a good start for the ~15 gallons.

 

[Moshmen]

This is funny. I gathered from the farm that SA was an essential part of a live system and, in turn, bought two jugs of the stuff .

I've pursued and given up on many hobbies in the past. However, I'm pretty pot passionate and have always wanted grow. With this venture, part of my intial planning came with giving up in mind. This is a project I absolutely refuse to give up on. In my head, I will perservere to a greater extent, knowing I've put a lot of money into it. So a little waste here and there just adds to that contingency plan, if you will.

Sorry. I might've thrown you a curveball when I mentioned the SF probe. I just hate that thing. I only use it to monitor my little lab area.
View attachment 1009
Top of the lid - 12"
Probe - 16 1/2" centered and to the side
Light - 40" at 10% 18/6 cycle
View attachment 1008
Also, the video didn't catch this.

They recently done a study here in Florida (trulueve ) I believe not sure but I do remember that in rec states they said approx. 3% of new growers stuck with it - due to difficulty and cheap weed at Dispos - all I can say is don’t give up after one or two grows , ur just getting started !

 

[moe.red]

Currently doing dad stuff but will give it a shot of Down when I get the chance. I'm thinking a 4-5mL dose should be a good start for the ~15 gallons.

Please also ensure that you have enough splashing to keep the seedling root wet from the bottom. You do not want it to dry out and "air prune."

 

[smoke]

They recently done a study here in Florida (trulueve ) I believe not sure but I do remember that in rec states they said approx. 3% of new growers stuck with it - due to difficulty and cheap weed at Dispos - all I can say is don’t give up after one or two grows , ur just getting started !

And probably 1/2 the ones that failed, failed because they overthough it and loved them to death

 

[moe.red]

And probably 1/2 the ones that failed, failed because they overthough it and loved them to death

guilty

 

[GrumpAzz]

They recently done a study here in Florida (trulueve ) I believe not sure but I do remember that in rec states they said approx. 3% of new growers stuck with it - due to difficulty and cheap weed at Dispos - all I can say is don’t give up after one or two grows , ur just getting started !

Now I'm not gonna say it's frowned upon here, but I will say that there isn't any cheap weed at any dispensory near me.

Please also ensure that you have enough splashing to keep the seedling root wet from the bottom. You do not want it to dry out and "air prune."

My pump is currently maxed out and spraying the shit out of the water surface. The net pot drips everytime I lift the lid to check on things. That and I've been top-feeding 3 times a day, watering approximately 750 ml of res water over the entire surface of the hydroton.

 

[GrumpAzz]

It does get pretty hot up there.

 

[moe.red]

Yeah so pushing that heat into the res.