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Roots Fruits

Rootsruler said:
11/30/2023

Temp - 76°
Humidity - 64%
VPD - 1.10 kPa
DLI - 31
Leaf Temp - 75°

It's been almost 2 weeks since I last posted and the girls have filled the net in stretch for the most part. I left just enough room for them to stretch which wasn't a lot as I've been running my little tent heater on lights off and raising the temp a couple of degrees higher than lights on temps. Looks like it worked because they didn't stretch as much as they did last time when I ran them together with the other cultivars. I'm guessing they have maybe a few more days to a week of stretch left but I'm also seeing pre pistil so flowers should be forthcoming in the next week or so.

I finally got the last piece to my irrigation system and put it all together and ran it. I was kind of disappointed in how much water the circulator, the little ring that goes around the main stem and distributes water around the plate, emitted. My little pump could water the entire media when I was using the DIY watering rings in around 5 minutes. Unfortunately it's not strong enough to put out a stream of water that fills the plate, maybe it's because I have 2 extra pots using water than I did last time so water pressure isn't as strong with more pots to water. I'm going to have to go from a 264gph to 800gph pump and see if that fixes the issue. On hand water the plates themselves work great. Just gotta get the water flow dialed in.

I also installed the two power heads in the reservoir to keep the nutrient suspended in the water so that it doesn't settle to the bottom.

After I had posted the last time I was pretty sick and decided to hang the oscillator on rope ratchets temporarily and when I got better I'd fab up a shelf but the ratchets are working pretty good so I just left them. I like that I can adjust the fan height with them so that when the colas start going vertical I can raise it a little more and get that nice gentle sway of colas going!!!😀

I did a quick leaf cleanup as it was getting pretty thick in there but will be doing a more thorough job in the next few days then let them run to harvest.

I bought more EMT to make another set of horizontal tent poles. I'm going to use it to set up the other net as a trellis for the verticals.

The 3rd light that SSHZ sent me is on its way and will occupy the space in front where the net isn't filled. By the time the flowers are button size that area should fill in somewhat but I'm pretty happy that the space I left for stretch filled pretty much to my expectation.

I'm going to stop using the heater in the next few days now that flower is starting to set in. Maybe the colder lights off temps will spur faster flower formation. Stay tuned!!!

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I’ve been trying to take advantage of the colder lights out temps. Basement can get to 16c but usually 17c-18c during work hours.

Hope we get good results.🤞
 
Zen_seeker said:
I’ve been trying to take advantage of the colder lights out temps. Basement can get to 16c but usually 17c-18c during work hours.

Hope we get good results.🤞
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This run, with the added light and heat, I'm going to have to run them hotter than I like but once we get to week 7 I can start ramping down DLI and it should cool down the tent the last few weeks before harvest. I'm hoping the drop in DLI will land me around 75° - 77°.
 
Rootsruler said:
This run, with the added light and heat, I'm going to have to run them hotter than I like but once we get to week 7 I can start ramping down DLI and it should cool down the tent the last few weeks before harvest. I'm hoping the drop in DLI will land me around 75° - 77°.
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I keep checking leaf temps. If 25c or less I bump to 100%. If higher back to 75%. Never by a preset dimmer switch again. 🤬

But I’ve had more than one BBQ so I backed off after G$ & PC weighed in. Maybe week 6 in a few more days…
 
I just turned my room up to 82 yesterday.
At flip I may let the lights out temp. start to dip.
I run room same day night now.
About 4-6 weeks in flower I start to lower day time temps to 76-78, and allow larger dips at night.
I did this last grow and it worked well for me.
 
SSHZ said:
Ideal grow temps under LED’s is 80-82 degrees...........it made a big difference in my grows when I realized it needed to be higher.
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Need to convert that but thanks.

Think Aqua told me to go by leaf temps with 24c being perfect?I’ll double check that too.
 
12/06/2023

Temp - 77.4°
Humidity - 59%
VPD - 1.32 kPa
DLI - 36
Leaf Temp - 75°

I've been busy building a small lean to greenhouse in the backyard so I'm pretty tired at the end of the day. I've been doing some leaf cleanup but I need to get off my ass and do a serious defoliation. The girls are showing definite pre pistil so I expect small buttons to appear next week some time. I also need to get in there and do some tucking as the branches are arching up to the light. 12/08 will be the completion of week 3 of flip. I'm also starting to see stretch slow down so I figure a few more days and I should be out of stretch. After week 4 I'm going to let them go vertical. If I time it right I should yield a nice field of colas with some nice chunk running along the netline.

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12/11/2023

Temp - 80.4°
Humidity - 57%
VPD - 1.49 kPa
DLI - 36
Leaf Temp - 79°

Defoliated the canopy a few days ago. The leaves all filled back in so I may need to do another. Flower buttons have appeared. 12/15 will be end of week 4 since flip. Flowers started to appear at end of week 3 so I'm going to start the clock there. I need to tuck some branches that are going vertical but in 4 days I'll put down the second net to trellis the verticals and let the plants grow vertical for the remainder of the grow.

The plants look a little droopy from being thirsty. In the picture I had just watered them so they should perk up in the next few hours or so. They are starting to increase water intake as I was watering twice a week, Mondays and Thursday but it looks like I'm going to have to add an extra day to the week. They must've been really thirsty because they sucked the humidifer dry. I checked on them this morning after lights out and the reservoir was empty and RH was at 41%! Mind you the last time I monitored the tent the humidifier reservoir was full and RH was holding steady at 60%. In 8 hours they pulled a gallon + of water out of the air that the humidifier had to refresh. When I had monitored them I kept getting the feeling that I should water but I was pretty beat from building the lean to green house so I decided I'd water them today. I guess they didn't want to wait!!!🤨

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The lean to Greenhouse I've been working on. All the wood except for the doors was wood we had demoed out of the house we're currently rebuilding. Most of it was still in good enough shape to recycle so I grabbed what I needed and got to work! My GF got really nervous when I pulled out the Miter saw that I had cut my arm with!!!😂 She kept asking me if I had PTSD from the trauma!!!🤣 I will admit. As I was dragging it out and placing it in my work area there was still some dried blood in one spot. It kind of stopped me for a sec but I thought "Bah! Whatever......" and got to chopping!!!!

I already skinned it with some corrugated polycarbonate but I forgot to snap a pic. Maybe tomorrow I'll take a pic so you can see it skinned. I still need to run an electrical line to it for whatever supplemental lighting we're going to use along with a water line to make it easy to water or setup a drip system. The studs on the left leaning against the house will be used for a potting table in that exact spot that I will build so that there's a work area to be able to work the plants comfortably and have somewhere to store gardening stuff like pots, ferts, etc. Building the doors was a PITA because I don't have a perfectly flat surface to lay them down on when I assembled to keep them square. I was surprised they came out as square as they did. The window leaning on the wood pile will be used to make a cold frame to plant some herbs and greens

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SSHZ said:
How does that LED appear to be working.......and does the quality appear to be good?
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It's a good little light. I wish it had a little more spread but that's what bar lights are for right? I have it on 100%/13" off the canopy and DLI is at 33 for 18 hrs/775 umol/m2 dead center per Tent Buddy app.

Build quality is decent with barebones features. This light would work in a 2 x 2 veg to harvest. 3 x 3 would be veg only. Pretty much a basic, no frills COB style light. Doesn't have a dedicated heat sink unless you count the aluminum sheet that backs the COB board as a sink.

If I ever pull the trigger and get a dedicated bar light setup for the 5 x 5 I'll use this in one of the tester 2 x 2's I have.
 
12/13/2023

Temp - 82°
Humidity - 54%
VPD - 1.72 kPa
DLI - 38
Leaf Temp - 79°

Gave the girls another haircut but this time I did a more thorough job so I'm OK with where they are at. Fed them 6 gallons of feed solution. Added some Hormex on this feed to soften the shock from the haircut I gave them. Changed the feed schedule to M/W/F as the girls are drinking faster. I mixed a full 5 gallon bucket and I still had to mix another gallon to get them watered completely.

Flowers are definitely forming and it looks like heating the tent after flip to reduce stretch is paying off. I was going to tuck them but the flowers are forming pretty fast so I'm just going to let them continue their vertical growth. Week 4 since flip ends in 2 days. I was going to wait until then to let them go vertical but I'm too tired and lazy to be tucking them. I'll probably lay down the trellis in a week or two if they start getting tall.

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Greenhouse skinned and with some plants inside. It was 42° last night but the greenhouse averaged 58° with an incandescent bulb warming the space at night. I may spring for a 250w heat lamp bulb to see how balmy we can get it in there. Either that or I may put my tent heater in there as I'm not using it right now.

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Rootsruler said:
12/13/2023

Temp - 82°
Humidity - 54%
VPD - 1.72 kPa
DLI - 38
Leaf Temp - 79°

Gave the girls another haircut but this time I did a more thorough job so I'm OK with where they are at. Fed them 6 gallons of feed solution. Added some Hormex on this feed to soften the shock from the haircut I gave them. Changed the feed schedule to M/W/F as the girls are drinking faster. I mixed a full 5 gallon bucket and I still had to mix another gallon to get them watered completely.

Flowers are definitely forming and it looks like heating the tent after flip to reduce stretch is paying off. I was going to tuck them but the flowers are forming pretty fast so I'm just going to let them continue their vertical growth. Week 4 since flip ends in 2 days. I was going to wait until then to let them go vertical but I'm too tired and lazy to be tucking them. I'll probably lay down the trellis in a week or two if they start getting tall.

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Greenhouse skinned and with some plants inside. It was 42° last night but the greenhouse averaged 58° with an incandescent bulb warming the space at night. I may spring for a 250w heat lamp bulb to see how balmy we can get it in there. Either that or I may put my tent heater in there as I'm not using it right now.

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neat man
 
12/19/2023

Temp - 80°
Humidity - 56%
VPD - 1.34 kPa
DLI - 38
Leaf Temp - 79°

Flower set has definitely set in and the flowers are stinking up the tent something awful. It has this really sweet aroma but it's so pungent that my eyes water when I open the tent. Verticals are starting to establish themselves.

So far the verticals don't need any trellising but I can see that these are going to get at least 10" tall. I'm going to wait before I lay out the trellis net so that it doesn't block any light to the flowers. I might have overdone it on the FIMming because there are TONS of flower sites. Some of them are a bit close and bunched up so I've been in there trying to cut out some of the leaf material for airflow but there are so many baby leaves it's going to be a battle for the next few weeks to keep the air flow going as these girls can grow leaves like no other. I noticed also that this cultivar, it being a Indica dominant hybrid, shows indica genetics in its leaf shape through veg but now that it's out of stretch and into flower the leaves have thinned to what look more like sativa style leaves.

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12/27/2023

Temp - 82°
Humidity - 55%
VPD - 1.47 kPa
DLI - 42
Leaf Temp - 80°

Different perspective than what I usually shoot. Side flap view. Flower tops are starting swell up. When I was moving a few branches around my hands got really waxy. Not so much sticky although they were sticky but more waxy than anything else. The flowers themselves are getting really greasy. The aroma is VERY floral. Almost like a Lavendar smell.

This was the cultivar I found these brown shiny marbles of liquid in between some of the leaves at the base of the flowers on the last run where I did a tester of 3 different cultivars. Not sure what it was the last time but I think it was resin. Only thing is it wasn't gooey. It was watery. Terp marbles? If I spot any I'll try and snap a pic.

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It's amazing to see a 4x4 or is that a 5x5 with 250 watts, flower like that? I figured my electrical would not handle 700 watts x 3-4 tents. So I got a 450 w, 320w,and a 260w to experiment and I was secptical about 260w Flowering cycle, but they all work to finish,amazing,SS
 
SSgrower said:
It's amazing to see a 4x4 or is that a 5x5 with 250 watts, flower like that? I figured my electrical would not handle 700 watts x 3-4 tents. So I got a 450 w, 320w,and a 260w to experiment and I was secptical about 260w Flowering cycle, but they all work to finish,amazing,SS
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It's a 5 x 5. I have two 275w cobs and another 200w that SSHZ gave me so there's around 750w in the tent. They're not all at 100% but they're there if I need it. With the 200w I've been moving it from one side to the other every day so that the corners get some good light exposure. I'm hoping it has the same effect as using a light mover.
 
01/02/2024

Temp - 79°
Humidity - 53%
VPD - 1.37 kPa
DLI - 42
Leaf Temp - 78°

Girls are really drinking water fast. Fed them 8 gallons yesterday. I haven't yet figured out how to set up an "every other day" schedule on the digital timer. I can set it up for M/W/F but if I set it up for Sunday it'll start the week over and water the next day. If I don't water them every other day they get mad and suck the humidifier dry! 😄 Ain't that like a woman? But it's more the wallet than the humidifier that gets sucked dry!!!😉 Just kiddin' LadeeZ!!!! Looks like I may have to resort to making fresh mixes for each feeding than mixing up one big batch for the next few weeks.

I've been using the auto irrigate but the 800gph pump, while an improvement over the 264gph pump, is still not up to the task. It waters but slower than I would like and it doesn't quite get the coverage I'd like. Eventually, with capillary action, all the media gets wet but I'd like to be able to saturate it on watering not on capillary action. Next run I'm going to add a diaphragm pump so that I can get the pressure that I need to be able to feed them the way I want and not have to worry that only the root ball is getting the brunt of the water. This is the pump I'm thinking of using.


Originally I wasn't going to use the pads that go under the Matrix plates but they help a lot in spreading out the moisture for more even watering so I'm going to keep using them.

Whenever I open the tent to work on something the GF said she can tell because the whole house smells like Lavendar and grapefruit. That's the new aroma developing. Grapefruit.

Looks like colas have staked their claim to their little slice of photon so now I just need to make it to harvest without them molding up or hosting some unwanted hitchhikers.

Of note.....no sticky traps. Why? No gnats. I've been pretty lucky in these last few grows to have almost zero gnats.

I'm guessing chop to be around the second week of February.

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01/08/2024

Temp - 80.6°
Humidity - 58%
VPD - 1.29 kPa
DLI - 42
Leaf Temp - 78°

Grow's pretty much on auto this last week other than having to mix up batches of nutrient. They've been drinking 8 gallons of nutrient solution pHed 6.4 to 6.8 with around 900 - 1000 ppm in the water. I've been feeding full strength CALi MAGic when I started seeing pre pistil appearing. This next feed I'm going to reduce CALi MAGic to 1/2 strength and do a half Grow half Bloom mix to raise K. It'll raise N also but it should be fine as I'm not going hard on overall PPM.

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01/14/2024

Temp - 79.8°
Humidity - 57%
VPD - 1.29 kPa
DLI - 42
Leaf Temp - 77°

Girls are cruising now just getting fatter and fatter by the day. Starting to see a little frost forming. Should get pretty sugary in the tent by the looks of it.

One observation that I'm seeing is that the flowers under the Blurple seem to fatten up a faster than under the white light LED's. I'm guessing because of the lack of green in the light spectrum but I'm not 100% on that. I need to do some research and start asking dumb questions!!!

Starting monday I'm going to start ramping down the DLI to harvest.

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Trichs are starting to form.

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Rootsruler said:
01/14/2024

Temp - 79.8°
Humidity - 57%
VPD - 1.29 kPa
DLI - 42
Leaf Temp - 77°

Girls are cruising now just getting fatter and fatter by the day. Starting to see a little frost forming. Should get pretty sugary in the tent by the looks of it.

One observation that I'm seeing is that the flowers under the Blurple seem to fatten up a faster than under the white light LED's.
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Possibly,

The morphology of the spectrum
Err, affects of spectrum morphology, possibly.

Blue will keep buds compact too, red wil encourage elongation in the buds same way they do the the structure of the plant.

You have a nice even looking canopy, good job on that front too.
Rootsruler said:
I'm guessing because of the lack of green in the light spectrum but I'm not 100% on that. I need to do some research and start asking dumb questions!!!

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Trichs are starting to form.

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Observer said:
Possibly,

The morphology of the spectrum
Err, affects of spectrum morphology, possibly.

Blue will keep buds compact too, red wil encourage elongation in the buds same way they do the the structure of the plant.

You have a nice even looking canopy, good job on that front too.
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Which I think, sounds like would make them grow "more dense"
Short
Fat
Wide
 
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