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A Turkey In The Hay 🦃

So I noticed the start of a phosphorus deficiency and/or lockout on one plant I was watering as I was putting it back

I was going to flush it & take some pH readings & make an adjustment, but the lights went out 🤷🏻 so so much for that till tonight

Not surprised, I've been ignoring them because I'm disgusted with these sad genetics but I'll get it fixed up at lights on because they're so spindly that I don't have many leaves to lose

I'll do a runoff and check on all of them even though that's the only one showing the issue
 
Update: before I forget

Flushed with 6.8 / 100 PPM

Runoff was 6.6 / 440 PPM (in both readings)

The only problem I see is these piss poor genetics

Upped the food to 650ppm
 
Beachwalker said:
So in the middle of the night last night I'm sitting here with a freshly cleaned proto-pipe and nothing to put in it 😡😤😡

I got pissed off enough to get up and press some damn hash 🤣😂🤣View attachment 84570 View attachment 84571
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Stoneyluv said:
been a while since i saw one of those!!! (the pipe not the snowblower!!) haha

Merry Christmas!!!
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Beachwalker said:
Thanks, Merry Christmas to you too!

The pipe is only a knockoff but it smokes well, haven't smoked hash since March, I forgot how smooth it is! 🤤
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Stoneyluv said:
i still have one too... i got that vintage patina!! ;pass

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I have one of those "It's a small world" stories about the Protopipe.
When I was very young, 4th grade, we lived in Laytonville, Ca. My best friend's mom & stepdad just so happened to be friends with one of the inventors/owners of the protopipe which was being made in Willits, a neighboring town.
It was all very shady back then the way the law was going after growers and head shops so if you were a part of that, there was a good chance you were being stalked by LEO.
I remember one particular party at my friends house where they were passing around protopipes and for some reason my friend's mom told me not to tell anybody about who I saw at the party. Not even tell my mom about it and act like the party never happened. I got the impression he was running from the law and really didn't care. I was kid and was into dirt bikes was my priority.
Once in high school, I lived in Lake County and knew a guy who had a protopipe. I ended up trading some bud for it and it was my pipe until around the age of 22-23.
Fast forward to the late 90s and I'm living in Austin, Texas. Somewhere along the line I had lost my protopipe and I went to a head shop that had been opened here since the late 60s for a new pipe.
I see a protopipe behind the glass and was ecstatic telling the guy behind the counter how I remember that pipe from years earlier in California, talking about Laytonville and Willits. Dude got a huge grin and we started connecting some dots. Here we were almost 20 years and 1200 miles away later, the guy at that party was the same guy standing behind the counter selling me a new protopipe.
Turned out he had worked a deal with the shop to come down here and sell the pipes.
The history behind that piece is something else. Never woulda thought that pipe would outlast the war on drugs, Nancy Regan's DARE, all the harassment and arrests, head shop busts using Gestapo tactics, to come out on the other end and beat California prohibition. A true David and Goliath story.
 
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I just realized that these flowering plants are giving off absolutely no odor

I have a brand new filter still sitting in the box I haven't even hung yet, no need to

I've never had anything that didn't have at least some smell, maybe It'll develop eventually
 
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Two of three normal plants are showing issues on the bottom leaves, and the mutant is having some tip burn/curl

I'm in Pro mix BX

The last runoff reading I took 2 weeks ago (with the flush water being 100 PPM / 6.8) was 440 PPM / 6.7

Tonight the mutant with some tip burn (flushed with 100ppm/6.8) came out 325ppm / 6.6 beginning of flush, & 425ppm / 6.6 at the end

What I think's happening is I'm not feeding them strong enough, they were getting 400 PPM in veg & 600PPM in bloom, been feeding light because they're so runty

I upped it tonight to 650, next watering will be 700 PPM

I'm using Master blend, I've switched to my first-stage flowering mix tonight, increasing the master blend and decreasing the calcium nitrate

I'm also going to be cutting the light 1 hour per week every Sunday just to get these finished up

I'd like to hear opinions because I can't find anything else wrong, except for being underfed

Edit: I gave them a magnesium spraying about a week ago

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I flipped these December 1st, that's some sad growth right there. Best I can do is cut the light pump newts in them and get them the hell out of the tent as quickly as I can

I want to get a small led light to start some seeds about 2 weeks before these are done, I'm going to hang it from a rack, I'm really challenged for space here but I'll figure it out

Any suggestions on a small led light?
 
For just a couple weeks any good fluorescent light would work.
In most of my grows I start under a LED fish light that is probably weak/ inferior to LED grow light even at basic starting models.
Nobody here endorses Mars Hydro but G$ and myself use them. I think Granny also.
Cheap for what they are IMO
@growsinse79 just said he really likes this bulb~!
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steamroller said:
For just a couple weeks any good fluorescent light would work.
In most of my grows I start under a LED fish light that is probably weak/ inferior to LED grow light even at basic starting models.
Nobody here endorses Mars Hydro but G$ and myself use them. I think Granny also.
Cheap for what they are IMO
@growsinse79 just said he really likes this bulb~!
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I also use mars lighting
 
steamroller said:
For just a couple weeks any good fluorescent light would work.
In most of my grows I start under a LED fish light that is probably weak/ inferior to LED grow light even at basic starting models.
Nobody here endorses Mars Hydro but G$ and myself use them. I think Granny also.
Cheap for what they are IMO
@growsinse79 just said he really likes this bulb~!
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Thanks for the input, I was thinking something more along the lines of a flat panel light because I'm going to attach it to the underside of a rack, above the propagation mat & tray

If you wouldn't mind maybe I could float a few choices I'm considering by you for input, cuz I've never owned a led light and not sure what I need

Also is there a better place for me to post questions? I'm not that familiar with where to post what here yet
 
Something like this, just to pop seeds and hold them for a week or so till tent is open.

Not looking for cheap, just this style for my specific applicationScreenshot_20250105-133228.jpg
 
Beachwalker said:
Thanks for the input, I was thinking something more along the lines of a flat panel light because I'm going to attach it to the underside of a rack, above the propagation mat & tray

If you wouldn't mind maybe I could float a few choices I'm considering by you for input, cuz I've never owned a led light and not sure what I need

Also is there a better place for me to post questions? I'm not that familiar with where to post what here yet
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Hey, I'm a fan of the Spiderfarmer stuff, I have 5 of their lights and 2 tents. I have 2 -SE3000 & 1 G3000 I can't tell the difference between plants grown under 1 or the other. The G series are a bit cheaper but as far as I can see they perform the same.

I'm vegging now under their 74w SF600 up to about 5 weeks then they need more light or need to be flipped
then there's this in Canadian dollars
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Or maybe something old school like this I could use one to start seeds, two if I have to hold the seedlings for a little while to let the flowering plants finish and I could use the other two out in the garage, these Im familiar with. Screenshot_20250105-134301.jpg
 
Pipecarver said:
Hey, I'm a fan of the Spiderfarmer stuff, I have 5 of their lights and 2 tents. I have 2 -SE3000 & 1 G3000 I can't tell the difference between plants grown under 1 or the other. The G series are a bit cheaper but as far as I can see they perform the same.

I'm vegging now under their 74w SF600 up to about 5 weeks then they need more light or need to be flipped
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Hey buddy, Happy New Year!🥂

For a couple months next summer I'm going to have to switch over to leds because of the heat so I'll keep those in mind

Right now I just want something that will let me crack seeds and hold the seedlings for a couple weeks max, then I'll pop them in the tent under my HID

Something like this...Screenshot_20250105-135625.jpg
 
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Beachwalker said:
Hey buddy, Happy New Year!🥂

For a couple months next summer I'm going to have to switch over to leds because of the heat so I'll keep those in mind for then.

Right now I just want something that will let me crack seeds and hold the seedlings for a couple weeks max, then I'll get pop in the tent under my HID
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I've been using this SF600 and it works great1736103225131.png
 
They sponsored me for a while and gave me most of the lights and 2 tents, I wouldn't support them if I didn't like them though. Everything still works and its been about 5 years with their stuff and its grown some great weed so ya, big fan. I did buy their hat but it was a bit too small for my fat head so I gave it to my son...who lost it...lol and I bought their Glow 40's far red lights
 
These are only 18 in LEDs and only two of them but they have a better spectrum, but I don't really know if I need the red spectrum just to start seeds?

Plus with the 4pack the other two I could use in the garage, one over my workbench the other over my toolbox

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Thanks for all the input, I ended up going with the fluorescent 4 pack
 
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I think they will be just what you need for veg and maybe even a little free heat for this time of year.
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Yeah they'll be fine, I used to use t2's back in the 80s to start my seedlings & early veg too, so these are basically the same as t2s, plus I got a couple extra I can put out in the garage over my workbench 😂
 
Beachwalker said:
Something like this, just to pop seeds and hold them for a week or so till tent is open.

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I use a small 100w quantum board. It’s lowest setting at this hight is 5200 LUX which is good for starting seedlings/clones.
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Small T5’s are popular choices too.
 
Pipecarver said:
Hey, I'm a fan of the Spiderfarmer stuff, I have 5 of their lights and 2 tents. I have 2 -SE3000 & 1 G3000 I can't tell the difference between plants grown under 1 or the other. The G series are a bit cheaper but as far as I can see they perform the same.

I'm vegging now under their 74w SF600 up to about 5 weeks then they need more light or need to be flipped
then there's this in Canadian dollars
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That’s a nice looking setup. Like that it’s on wheels and can be tucked away in a corner. 👍
 
Beachwalker said:
Update: before I forget

Flushed with 6.8 / 100 PPM

Runoff was 6.6 / 440 PPM (in both readings)

The only problem I see is these piss poor genetics

Upped the food to 650ppm
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This is just for me for a reminder, this was when the phosphorus issue showed up and apparently I was already watering at 650, I think I drop back to 600

normally I write everything down on a clipboard including the results from the flush I do every third watering, but I gave up on these so I'm depending on my updates
 
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Chemistry said:
I used a twenty four inch double fluorescent with day time tubes for vegging for years with no ill effect, the tubes are better these days as they have changed the gas in the tubes for some thing better. 👍
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Same here used them for a decade with great success, they were great to start seeds and maybe for the first couple weeks and that's all I'm looking for here

I do really like that little roll-about cart that pipecarver posted but that's more than I need, I just need one tray on my shelf ...at least for now
 
So I upped the feed to 700 PPM at 6.8 pH

I'm getting more lower leaf drop than I like at this point in flowering but considering the runoff is spot on every time I check it I've got to attribute it to being underfed

I just smoked the last of my Christmas hash, probably press more this evening cuz I'm not going back to smoking joints, I can't I won't! 😂🤣😂

I wasn't kidding about being a month In Bloom and have zero scent from these plants, here's my new filter still in the box (just noticed the light is crooked)🤷🏻IMG_20250107_054236.jpgIMG_20250107_054227.jpg
 
Zen_seeker said:
I’m often bumping my head on a light. To the point I now keep a bubble level for fence posts on top of one so I can correct it quickly. 🤣
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I like them level too! used to do that with a level back at the beach house, I've looked for my small level recently for something else, I thought it made the move here with my toolbox but I can't seem to find it?
 
Beachwalker said:
Edit: might be a Barred Owl
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Is it big? Didn't look very big in the photo. Could be what they call a "little owl" or a Northern saw-whet Owl.
Owls are my favorite birds lol
I found one as a baby (great horned owl) the year I met my wife, it had fallen out of a tree and since that day I've been hooked on owls. Super cool, super smart birds.
Do not fk with an Owl lol
 
Owls are amazing!! Seems as one gets older bird watching becomes way more enjoyable.
I’m especially fond of owls, and other birds of prey. I took this shot last May in my backyard of a horned owl, zoomed in and blurry as I didn’t wanna spook it. I hear them every night, but catching a peek at them is pretty special IMG_5367.jpeg
 
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