First Time.

[moe.red]

I didn’t know there was a mr humic.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I didn’t know there was a mr humic.

I saw both on Amazon and made sure to order the Mr. Fulvic. Glad I asked here before filling out the replacement form.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Good fuzz? Bad fuzz?

 

[moe.red]

Bad fuzz.

Any roots visible yet?

 

[GrumpAzz]

Bad fuzz.

Any roots visible yet?

None yet

 

[GrumpAzz]

Bad fuzz.

Any roots visible yet?

We think it'll recover? She's still free standing but that fuzz appeared yesterday. It seemed to recede some when I top-fed, which was really weird to witness. I'll get another pic when I get off work today to see if it's progressed.

 

[GrumpAzz]

First step is start your seeds in rock wool cubes under a dome. Water only, no nutes. I'd do 3-4 seeds and pick the best one to transplant to the RDWC. Something to think about for the next cycle.

Can I just set a rockwool cube in a tupperware with an appropriate amount of water in it? I could use the little germinating dome I have for peat pellets and just fill it up as much as needed to keep the cube hydrated.

I'm just looking at starting a new seed, or a few, if this one kicks the bucket. Realistically, with the stress I've put it through, has the quality and yield been affected already? I'll straight up toss it if it's already basically ruined. I would also like to see it pull through so I'm gonna be watching it closely for improvements while the cubes are shipped.

 

[moe.red]

So if you still don't have roots, I think it might be time to call this one. I'm going to guess that when you disect this, you will find goo where the roots should have been.

As far as starting in rockwool, I use the little 1" or 1.5" cubes. I saturate the RW at first, but then put it in a tray with drainage but fill the tray up to the top of the humps. Not sure if I am making sense, lemme see if I can find a pic.

 

[moe.red]

Start them until the hull cracks on paper towel or whatever method you choose.


Then put them in rw with the root going down.



That is a standard 10x20 tray sold everywhere. It’s good because it lifts the cube up out of the water but still let’s it wick up.

With this method I am 100% on viable seeds. If they crack open on the paper towel you will have roots out the bottom in under a week.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Start them until the hull cracks on paper towel or whatever method you choose.


Then put them in rw with the root going down.

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That is a standard 10x20 tray sold everywhere. It’s good because it lifts the cube up out of the water but still let’s it wick up.

With this method I am 100% on viable seeds. If they crack open on the paper towel you will have roots out the bottom in under a week.

Cool. I'll get some cubes ordered tonight and check my tray for some humps. I could probably build a makeshift rack to get them up, if not.

What's in those beakers there? Dark stuff.

 

[moe.red]

Cool. I'll get some cubes ordered tonight and check my tray for some humps. I could probably build a makeshift rack to get them up, if not.

What's in those beakers there? Dark stuff.

Different extracts. I'm a mad scientist you know.

That was just the first pic I found on my phone that had the cubes in it.

 

[GrumpAzz]

We need folks like you, so keep up the good work.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Hey on a positive note.. pH has been 5.8 since the last res change. That potassium silicate has surely been a big part of that.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Here's what's going on tonight. I've ordered some rockwool cubes but they won't be here til next week.

 

[moe.red]

Sorry bud you got a dud. Stalled at the cotyledons.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Sorry bud you got a dud. Stalled at the cotyledons.

Was that the nutrient solution being top-fed that first day, ya think?

Next seed will be started properly. I'm in bumfuck nowhere, so it will likely be Wednesday before the cubes come in. I've still got 9 of those seeds so best out of 3 will give me 3 grows of that strain. That sounds fine by me. Like you said before, burn through my seeds a little faster to find out which I like.

How many days after the seed popping open do you add it to the cube? The sooner the better?

Then just keep it in the dark while it germinates, add to the hydroton after the roots come out of the cube?

When does it start to get a little light? After the first set of leaves show?

This next one will make it, you guys. Sorry for the false start

 

[GrumpAzz]

Is this a viable chiller for my system? 9L capacity. 3gal/min flow rate. Does that mean it has it's own internal pump? Should I just spring for one a little more pricey or would this cheapo do alright? I'm not really sure what I'm looking for in a chiller.

https://www.amazon.com/VEVOR-Chiller-Industrial-Engraver-Recirculating/dp/B08FWFPQ2F/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=2A54VF8XVNQEY&keywords=.05+hp+water+chiller&qid=1683167097&sprefix=05+hp+water+chiller%2Caps%2C162&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUE4UEs1VzlFSkhOMVQmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAzMjMyNDkxUUxVOURYV1hVRTVOJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAxNDg0OTkzRjZIQU4wOVJENjJHJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfcGhvbmVfc2VhcmNoX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

 

[smoke]

Don't know anything about those in particular but i have 2 active Aqua 1/4 hp chillers in my rooms. One is 10 years old the other is 4

 

[GrumpAzz]

Don't know anything about those in particular but i have 2 active Aqua 1/4 hp chillers in my rooms. One is 10 years old the other is 4

About how many gallons are in your system? I would need to about 15 gallons cooled. Would a 1/10th hp chiller do the job?

 

[smoke]

About how many gallons are in your system? I would need to about 15 gallons cooled. Would a 1/10th hp chiller do the job?

Yes a 1/10 hp will work just fine for you. My system holds 53 ish gallons

 

[GrumpAzz]

Yes a 1/10 hp will work just fine for you. My system holds 53 ish gallons

Nice. Cuts the price down quite a bit.

 

[steamroller]

The vevor does not come with pump.
The 3g/min rate is the most water that can pass and still function at capacity.
I have not seen a chiller with a pump built in.
I would look for a different brand myself.

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[moe.red]

That machine would not be a good choice imo. A 1/10 would be fine.

I’m not sure what happened to the seedling. Don’t take this the wrong way but it was you that caused it. Roots got light, got air pruned, too much nutes, physical damage, dunno. But it is not worth growing now even if you can save it.

The seed goes in the Rockwool as soon as the tap root is visible. Keep it dark moist and about 75 degrees until the green shoots appear. No nutes at first just ph to 5.8.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Yeah I didn't top-feed last night, knowing she's a goner. I take full responsibility, so no hard feelings. This is part of why I only went with the one seed at first. I kinda knew I'd screw something up. We'll do it right on this next go-around and I'll pop three seeds this time.

We got this!

 

[GrumpAzz]

The vevor does not come with pump.
The 3g/min rate is the most water that can pass and still function at capacity.
I have not seen a chiller with a pump built in.
I would look for a different brand myself.

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Yeah this was the first one I saw that cheap, then started looking at the 1/10th hp ones. Found a few of those that come with a pump. I may not need a chiller, but I'd like to get one just in case.

I initially thought that with a live system, you don't need a chiller. I thought that as long as you have the right stuff in there, the temps weren't so detrimental. Now, I'd rather be safe than sorry. Regardless, I'm glad I moved the air pump into the lung room, like Moe suggested. It's so much quieter in the grow room so it's a lot more peaceful in there.

 

[moe.red]

2 problems with high res temps

1 - Dissolved Oxygen is limited due to Henry's Law - you just can't push more O2 at atmospheric pressure into warmer water.
2 - Biologics love warmer water, especially anerobic ones. These are the baddies from our perspective. Giving them a leg up over the good bennies is never a good idea.

On the other hand, (you won't be doing this at least now) if you inject O2 into the res, higher temps are irrelevant. I had seedings running over 100* in my first fogponics go and at high O2 they loved it.

 

[GrumpAzz]

2 problems with high res temps

1 - Dissolved Oxygen is limited due to Henry's Law - you just can't push more O2 at atmospheric pressure into warmer water.
2 - Biologics love warmer water, especially anerobic ones. These are the baddies from our perspective. Giving them a leg up over the good bennies is never a good idea.

On the other hand, (you won't be doing this at least now) if you inject O2 into the res, higher temps are irrelevant. I had seedings running over 100* in my first fogponics go and at high O2 they loved it.

How are you injecting the O2? I feel like I remember you sparking my research on venturai pumps. Figured it was hit and miss and over my head for now, but I did look into it.

100 degrees sounds like a speedrun. I don't know if plants react the same to heat, but with the ducks, dart frogs and tarantulas I've raised, I've found the higher temps can speed up their growth rates if plenty of resources were available. The tadpoll transition has been my favorite so far, although, there's not a lot out there cuter than a baby goose.

 

[moe.red]

So I have a device that takes O2 out of the atmosphere (~21%) and spits it out at ~90%. I seal up my res and grow sites, and fill the root zones with that 90%. The most intense root growth I have ever seen, and I've seen some sheet!

I'll post up more on that method soon. But it is not for the feint at heart, believe me. This is some real engineer jackass stuff. Currently not at all practical for the average grower, but I'm working on refining it and making it obtainable. With this system, really the only thing to worry about is getting the nutes right. O2 covers up a lot of other problems amazingly well.

 

[GrumpAzz]

So I have a device that takes O2 out of the atmosphere (~21%) and spits it out at ~90%. I seal up my res and grow sites, and fill the root zones with that 90%. The most intense root growth I have ever seen, and I've seen some sheet!

I'll post up more on that method soon. But it is not for the feint at heart, believe me. This is some real engineer jackass stuff. Currently not at all practical for the average grower, but I'm working on refining it and making it obtainable. With this system, really the only thing to worry about is getting the nutes right. O2 covers up a lot of other problems amazingly well.

Do you get explosive growth in the warmer environment?

 

[moe.red]

Do you get explosive growth in the warmer environment?

In short too many variables to know what specifically caused the explosive growth. I tried 3 new variables heat fog and high o2 all at the same time. More testing required.

I got pics of all that stuff somewhere. I’m sure you have seen the fog root pics I’ve posted. Those are my bud porn. Roots are my kink.