First Time.

[GrumpAzz]

So I have a device that takes O2 out of the atmosphere (~21%) and spits it out at ~90%. I seal up my res and grow sites, and fill the root zones with that 90%. The most intense root growth I have ever seen, and I've seen some sheet!

I'll post up more on that method soon. But it is not for the feint at heart, believe me. This is some real engineer jackass stuff. Currently not at all practical for the average grower, but I'm working on refining it and making it obtainable. With this system, really the only thing to worry about is getting the nutes right. O2 covers up a lot of other problems amazingly well.

Haha disregard my last post. It was basically the same as the one you just answered. First doobie at home and completely spaced.

Intense root growth.. Does that equate to a bigger plant, faster?

 

[moe.red]

Haha disregard my last post. It was basically the same as the one you just answered. First doobie at home and completely spaced.

Intense root growth.. Does that equate to a bigger plant, faster?

Well faster absolutely. Bigger or not is completely in the grower’s control

I have been told the root system grows 2x soil and it is easily 1.5 standard hydro.

Big roots = big fruits.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Big roots = big fruits.

My new favorite rhyme

 

[GrumpAzz]

Well faster absolutely. Bigger or not is completely in the grower’s control

I have been told the root system grows 2x soil and it is easily 1.5 standard hydro.

Big roots = big fruits.

I didn't kick the AC on today. It's currently 78 in the tent with res temp at 75. That's leading me to believe a chiller is needed, for sure. I'm assuming the res temp is linear with the tent temps so keeping it close to 80 will make my res 76+. At least I've got a week or so before the new seed needs to go in the tent.

I have a buddy in CO coming back home for the weekend and he just grabbed me some cubes. That's wassup. Saves me a couple days and I'll probably get a couple seeds going tomorrow night. I plan on letting my hydroton soak in pHed water for a day or so after I disect my root issue, also. I'll do 3 this time and you guys can help me pick the lucky lady.

PH in the resevoir has stayed at 5.8 since I last reported it. I'd say that's fairly stable since that was almost a week ago.

Side note...
I envisioned a SoG grow utilizing one of those big, under-bed totes. Thoughts?

 

[smoke]

So I have a device that takes O2 out of the atmosphere (~21%) and spits it out at ~90%. I seal up my res and grow sites, and fill the root zones with that 90%. The most intense root growth I have ever seen, and I've seen some sheet!

I'll post up more on that method soon. But it is not for the feint at heart, believe me. This is some real engineer jackass stuff. Currently not at all practical for the average grower, but I'm working on refining it and making it obtainable. With this system, really the only thing to worry about is getting the nutes right. O2 covers up a lot of other problems amazingly well.

So using just your 02 and my calmag will i be able to eliminate the farts and giggles

 

[smoke]

In short too many variables to know what specifically caused the explosive growth. I tried 3 new variables heat fog and high o2 all at the same time. More testing required.

I got pics of all that stuff somewhere. I’m sure you have seen the fog root pics I’ve posted. Those are my bud porn. Roots are my kink.

Gotta admit i too like roots

Moes roots pictures from my roots file
⁶

 

[moe.red]

I didn't kick the AC on today. It's currently 78 in the tent with res temp at 75. That's leading me to believe a chiller is needed, for sure. I'm assuming the res temp is linear with the tent temps so keeping it close to 80 will make my res 76+. At least I've got a week or so before the new seed needs to go in the tent.

I have a buddy in CO coming back home for the weekend and he just grabbed me some cubes. That's wassup. Saves me a couple days and I'll probably get a couple seeds going tomorrow night. I plan on letting my hydroton soak in pHed water for a day or so after I disect my root issue, also. I'll do 3 this time and you guys can help me pick the lucky lady.

PH in the resevoir has stayed at 5.8 since I last reported it. I'd say that's fairly stable since that was almost a week ago.

Side note...
I envisioned a SoG grow utilizing one of those big, under-bed totes. Thoughts?

Temps also effected by lights. Not perfectly linear with tent temp but close enough the make choices.

Ph sounds better.

Sog is a a great way to grow. Make sure you can get to the inner plants with your design.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Temps also effected by lights. Not perfectly linear with tent temp but close enough the make choices.

Ph sounds better.

Sog is a a great way to grow. Make sure you can get to the inner plants with your design.

Yeah it wouldn't be till a couple of grows down the road, if ever.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Chiller funds

 

[GrumpAzz]

This is what I found dissecting the hydroton. I hadn't top-fed for two days.

 

[moe.red]

There is this thing that seedlings do. They have a tap root, unlike clones. That tap root heads south until it reaches some resistance.

If it doesn’t find any it grows the root to death basically, burns up all the stored energy building root tissue rather than solar panels. Then it cant support further growth without photosynthesis and just stalls out.

I do not believe that hydroton by itself with all the gaps provides a good substrate for growing seedlings for this reason. Also, hydroton can shift after the roots have started.

I think you will find much greater success with starting in a rock wool cube. By the time the roots come out of the bottom you will still have a main tap root but you will also have several side shoots. This is an example of how environment changes morphology.

 

[GrumpAzz]

There is this thing that seedlings do. They have a tap root, unlike clones. That tap root heads south until it reaches some resistance.

If it doesn’t find any it grows the root to death basically, burns up all the stored energy building root tissue rather than solar panels. Then it cant support further growth without photosynthesis and just stalls out.

I do not believe that hydroton by itself with all the gaps provides a good substrate for growing seedlings for this reason. Also, hydroton can shift after the roots have started.

I think you will find much greater success with starting in a rock wool cube. By the time the roots come out of the bottom you will still have a main tap root but you will also have several side shoots. This is an example of how environment changes morphology.

I mentioned a friend bringing me some cubes but, according to him, everywhere he went said "it's not the right season for rockwool." Whatever that means lol. So he came back with a bag of grow plugs. I'm gonna try them and use the rockwool on the next batch. I feel like @Cool_Beans mentioned using sponges. Are these basically the same thing, Beans?

 

[Cool_Beans]

Yeah I use the aerogarden sponge plugs they're like $10 for 50. Same idea as your pic but I use aerogarden a lot for different things so I always have them.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Yeah I use the aerogarden sponge plugs they're like $10 for 50. Same idea as your pic but I use aerogarden a lot for different things so I always have them.

Nice. So did you germinate the seed right in the sponge or transplant it to the plug after it popped? Seems like the roots would probably appreciate not having to be moved.

 

[moe.red]

Nice. So did you germinate the seed right in the sponge or transplant it to the plug after it popped? Seems like the roots would probably appreciate not having to be moved.

I know you asked beans, but I'll just say that if you germinate in the plugs, make sure you put the crack side / bulbous end of the seed down so the roots come out headed in the right direction. If you don't it will still sort itself out because roots grow down due to the plant sensing gravity, but it may do a curly q thing to get righted around and waste a couple of days fixing itself.

If you crack them outside and then drop them in when the root is only 1/4" long, you won't miss doing it right.

I think those plugs will work fine. Go for it.

And I didn't know rock wool had a season. Learned something new here from those well informed grow shop cadets!

 

[Cool_Beans]

Nice. So did you germinate the seed right in the sponge or transplant it to the plug after it popped? Seems like the roots would probably appreciate not having to be moved.

Yeah dude plant the seed right in the plug like Moe said. You want to make a little hole to kind of wedge it down in so the tap root can push against it. Too big a hole it'll push itself right out and crawl off lol.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Looking at chillers..

The 1/10th hp ones I'm looking into only have a flow rate around 400gph. My pump runs around 1000gph max. I had hoped to just flip some hoses around and use my current pump, but it's looking like I need to get another small one like I got for the RO system. Here's the one I had in mind. Am I missing something?

Active Aqua Chiller with Power Boost, 1/10 HP

Request a Quote - Bulk Discounts for Large Grow Operations.

www.growgeneration.com

If I have to get another pump, I'd maybe go this route...

Elemental Solutions O2 H2O Chiller 1/10 HP

Request a Quote - Bulk Discounts for Large Grow Operations.

www.growgeneration.com

 

[GrumpAzz]

Just stuck 3 seeds into some plugs that soaked for 5 hours. My daughters little stacker cups held them up pretty well. Filled a tupperware with roughly a half inch of RO and saran wrapped it. Stuck that in the tent, shut the lights of and set the temp to 75.

 

[Rootsruler]

Looking at chillers..

The 1/10th hp ones I'm looking into only have a flow rate around 400gph. My pump runs around 1000gph max. I had hoped to just flip some hoses around and use my current pump, but it's looking like I need to get another small one like I got for the RO system. Here's the one I had in mind. Am I missing something?

Active Aqua Chiller with Power Boost, 1/10 HP

Request a Quote - Bulk Discounts for Large Grow Operations.

www.growgeneration.com

If I have to get another pump, I'd maybe go this route...

Elemental Solutions O2 H2O Chiller 1/10 HP

Request a Quote - Bulk Discounts for Large Grow Operations.

www.growgeneration.com

I built an industrial size chiller for a warehouse grow using a meat locker freezer and a coil of 1/2" copper.

Similar to this idea but I was able to submerge the coil in water since the meat locker had a water tight plastic inner:

 

[GrumpAzz]

I built an industrial size chiller for a warehouse grow using a meat locker freezer and a coil of 1/2" copper.

Similar to this idea but I was able to submerge the coil in water since the meat locker had a water tight plastic inner:

So in that sort of scenario, do you just manually control the temp?

I think, for my sanity's sake, I better stick to one that's ready to go, automatically controlled. Another pump is easy to get and hook up.

If I ever upscale, building a custom one in a deepfreeze or chest fridge would be the way to go. Big time bang for your buck.

 

[moe.red]

For the 1/10 you want a pump. A small 400 range or less. Draw from the bottom of the res. Return splashing in the top.

Wire that and your main pump to switches. The chiller has its own switch.

You can use this to mix nutes.

Turn off main pump, drain and refill whatever. If you don’t have an empty system you can tee off the main pump with valves and run that to drain.

Mix your nutes in the res with the chiller pump running. Get it exactly where you want it before turning the main pump back on. Hope I’m making sense

 

[Rootsruler]

So in that sort of scenario, do you just manually control the temp?

I think, for my sanity's sake, I better stick to one that's ready to go, automatically controlled. Another pump is easy to get and hook up.

If I ever upscale, building a custom one in a deepfreeze or chest fridge would be the way to go. Big time bang for your buck.

Yes. We used the freezers temp control and were able to deliver chilled water at whatever temperature we wanted. What was nice was we were using an Ebb and Flow system and ran into temp change problems. By the time the water actually got to the pot it heated up as it ran through the line in the room. We were able to go a few degrees colder to compensate for temp gain.

Not sure how much water you need to move but that 1/10th is going to take a while to get down to temp. I'd go with a 1/5 or 1/3. I always buy my gear a step up from what I need.

 

[GrumpAzz]

For the 1/10 you want a pump. A small 400 range or less. Draw from the bottom of the res. Return splashing in the top.

Wire that and your main pump to switches. The chiller has its own switch.

You can use this to mix nutes.

Turn off main pump, drain and refill whatever. If you don’t have an empty system you can tee off the main pump with valves and run that to drain.

Mix your nutes in the res with the chiller pump running. Get it exactly where you want it before turning the main pump back on. Hope I’m making sense

Yeah I'm trackin'. I went with the Active Aqua 1/10hp and ordered a 300gph pump. I'll try to get something like that figured out before it all gets here.

Yes. We used the freezers temp control and were able to deliver chilled water at whatever temperature we wanted. What was nice was we were using an Ebb and Flow system and ran into temp change problems. By the time the water actually got to the pot it heated up as it ran through the line in the room. We were able to go a few degrees colder to compensate for temp gain.

Not sure how much water you need to move but that 1/10th is going to take a while to get down to temp. I'd go with a 1/5 or 1/3. I always buy my gear a step up from what I need.

The one I ordered shows a 42gal cooling capacity and my system has roughly 15 gallons, so a little better than twice as efficient as needed for now.

 

[smoke]

Looking at chillers..

The 1/10th hp ones I'm looking into only have a flow rate around 400gph. My pump runs around 1000gph max. I had hoped to just flip some hoses around and use my current pump, but it's looking like I need to get another small one like I got for the RO system. Here's the one I had in mind. Am I missing something?

Active Aqua Chiller with Power Boost, 1/10 HP

Request a Quote - Bulk Discounts for Large Grow Operations.

www.growgeneration.com

If I have to get another pump, I'd maybe go this route...

Elemental Solutions O2 H2O Chiller 1/10 HP

Request a Quote - Bulk Discounts for Large Grow Operations.

www.growgeneration.com

Like i said i run two 1/4 active and both my systems hold 53 ish gal each. Both my systems have danner 500 gph inline pumps. I dont think mine have internal pumps. In @steamroller post above about the 7 best i noticed hydro farm has a active aqua on the list

 

[GrumpAzz]

Like i said i run two 1/4 active and both my systems hold 53 ish gal each. Both my systems have danner 500 gph inline pumps. I dont think mine have internal pumps. In @steamroller post above about the 7 best i noticed hydro farm has a active aqua on the list

I knew one of you guys mentioned running Active Aquas. That's what I ended up grabbing. I think the 1/10 will handle the load.

 

[smoke]

You should be more than happy with that one

 

[GrumpAzz]

Yeah dude plant the seed right in the plug like Moe said. You want to make a little hole to kind of wedge it down in so the tap root can push against it. Too big a hole it'll push itself right out and crawl off lol.

The plugs came with a hole already in them so I tore a small piece off the bottom and stuffed it in the hole.

 

[steamroller]

I have the same sponges also.
Being 'The Slacker' I have not used them yet but expect no issues with them.
Nice on the chiller.
On the pumps;
The Danner mags are known in aquariums without chillers to raise the water temp as much as 7 degrees above room temp.
Don't get me wrong they are very good pumps. I have from the 3 all the way up to the 24 and still run the 24 or 18 in my fountain outside for over 10 years.
I leave it out and it freezes every year in the winter without issue[ maybe lucky but she is running again this year already].
I would guess with the chiller that won't matter, but I found DC pumps that I run in the sump that are much cooler since the transformer/ power switcher is separated from the pump.
I think Cool Beans and SLG are both using that pump brand.

 

[Cool_Beans]

My res temps never get above 68. Whatever heat that DC pump does give off it's not enough to move the needle much. I like it a lot, a great fit for this system.

 

[GrumpAzz]

@Moe.Red .. These two popped up overnight. Should I give them some light now that they've emerged? Also, the brown? From the pods?