Kuwl's Deja Vue All Over Again

[Kuwl]

It seems I get a totally different problem every grow
These QC B's are giving me fits.
Tank went down another inch+ so they are drinking and drinking more every day.
Tank is getting a low so I added another 2 gal. of nute mix, crossed fingers.
Very clear in the tank, no cloudy stuff at all.

Went with the chart for week 4 instead of wk 5, only real dif is the amt of MP and no FP in wk 5.
I am hoping for no lockout and they prob need more FP n MP at least that's what the leaves say.



PPM 875 from 625 PH 5.8 (In the trays it's different tho)
PPM will catch up PH 6.3 is high but not to high idt


QC White is doing amazing! Bigger flowers and they going all the way down.
LSD is doing ok and QC Blue is not.

PPM in the trays is pretty much the same as the tank PPM but
PH is almost always higher.
I ph'ed the clay balls but maybe that's the problem, if I didn't do it right.
Still PH in the trays are 6.3 so not to crazy out of range to do any damage I would think.
Water Temp in the Trays are 75-76 degrees. Room temp is 78+-1
I have a fan dedicated to blowing floor lvl air directly on the trays.
I am surprised the tray temp that high. I am lowering the room temp a little to see if that helps.

Ah, a thought, I could run a tube (shop vac hose) from the intake pipe (that draws air from outside)
to ground lvl, which would bring cooler air down to tray lvl.

Some pic's
He usually don't go in there lol

I like these better after all they are cheaper $8.99 and I think a good size.

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QC B

QC W

L Front Blue, R Front White, R Rear LSD, L Rear Blue

 

[Kuwl]

Week 6 in Flower
A lot of minor changes
Lots of stuff on timers to try to control temp and humi.
Added a extra steamer cause I could not get it above 30% now at around 40%.
A larger fan pointed at the bases to keep the water in the lower system cool, seems to work,
Also ran some 4" duct from the wall fresh air intake to that fan, to blow cooler air at the pots.
I also added a smaller fan near the heater to turn on when the 2 larger fans turn off at night.
Temps at night, when lights are off are a bit low to me at 62 degrees.
Hoping the small fan will circulate the warm air around the plants at night.
One steamer turns off at night also, that keeps the humi at 30% at night.
Added Zyme to the mix cause I feel the root system is not 100% and needs a kick in the butt.
So far no problems with the Zyme in the mix, water still clear. PPM 1200, It's been higher so not to high.
Leaving in this mix till week 7, then I'll change the tank and put in the new mix for week 7-8.
I think they are at least a week behind.
The leaf problems seem to be better now that I've added more MP + Zyme.
They still drinking at 1-2 inches a day.
Raised the light to 18" which gives them a 65k-75k lux lvl @ 100%.
The side lights have been moved to a angle, cause I seen nothing happening at lower flowers of plants
I also made a mix of fish shit, kelp shit and asmonite and Epson Salts and Recharge and a bunch of stuff.
I used a baster to suck it up and stuck it down the side of the AP and squirted it in half way down the pot.
I did this to all 4 sides and when I seen the plant still alive the next day I did it to the others too.
Been 3 or 4 days now and it didn't hurt em and might have helped
I probably forgot some things I did so will add to this if I can remember.

Pic's

QC Blue

QC White

LSD

Random pic's

 

[Kuwl]

Swinging all over the place and I have no clue.
Tried everything and a new problem arises after I think I got one solved.
This time it seems to be an iron problem, prob from another lock out.
These nutrients, I use, have been good but since another co. brought them out, I'm not confident in them.
I might run them one more time but am def switching to another nutrient (Athena Pro Line maybe).
They seem stronger than before or my 3 plant strains are weaker.
8 wks this Mon and they look like 6 to me.
Lock out causes stunted growth and buds/colas, I read some where,
Mine keep locking out so I reduced the nutrient mix by half (400 PPM)
PH is about 5.8-6.2 range. In and rez tank and in the trays pretty
much the same, same with PPM in the tank/trays.
Other than taking the pots out and soaking them in plain water,
then emptying the tank and run it with plain PH water IDK.
I've change tanks with clean nutes several times during this grow with no tank or cloudy nute problems.

Or leave them be for awhile and maybe things will straighten out.
PPM @ 400, RH 40%, Fans always on, exhause set at a low 2, Lux 65k-75k, Light at 100% at 12"
I turned off the 2 TS1000 140w lights. I got some burn on the one QC B tops in the back but might be a nute burn too.
I noticed a reduction in purple stems, so that's good!


Funny how the QC B right-front looks better now and the QC W, which did well through out this grow is not so good now.
LSD back-right doing badly and the QC B left-back is doing badly.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Swinging all over the place and I have no clue.
Tried everything and a new problem arises after I think I got one solved.
This time it seems to be an iron problem, prob from another lock out.
These nutrients, I use, have been good but since another co. brought them out, I'm not confident in them.
I might run them one more time but am def switching to another nutrient (Athena Pro Line maybe).
They seem stronger than before or my 3 plant strains are weaker.
8 wks this Mon and they look like 6 to me.
Lock out causes stunted growth and buds/colas, I read some where,
Mine keep locking out so I reduced the nutrient mix by half (400 PPM)
PH is about 5.8-6.2 range. In and rez tank and in the trays pretty
much the same, same with PPM in the tank/trays.
Other than taking the pots out and soaking them in plain water,
then emptying the tank and run it with plain PH water IDK.
I've change tanks with clean nutes several times during this grow with no tank or cloudy nute problems.

Or leave them be for awhile and maybe things will straighten out.
PPM @ 400, RH 40%, Fans always on, exhause set at a low 2, Lux 65k-75k, Light at 100% at 12"
I turned off the 2 TS1000 140w lights. I got some burn on the one QC B tops in the back but might be a nute burn too.
I noticed a reduction in purple stems, so that's good!

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Funny how the QC B right-front looks better now and the QC W, which did well through out this grow is not so good now.
LSD back-right doing badly and the QC B left-back is doing badly.
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My nutes got discontinued, for a more expensive version.

So I grabbed the last I could find on sale and now I’m learning KNF using @stonemason recipes. So far it’s pretty easy but it takes time to ferment. Teas and foliar sprays are fast but compost took a month.

I expect to be ready for spring with enough to see me through the year. Longer for the sprays.

Just an idea as BB has the knowledge and guides. L8r

 

[GoodShit97]

Swinging all over the place and I have no clue.
Tried everything and a new problem arises after I think I got one solved.
This time it seems to be an iron problem, prob from another lock out.
These nutrients, I use, have been good but since another co. brought them out, I'm not confident in them.
I might run them one more time but am def switching to another nutrient (Athena Pro Line maybe).
They seem stronger than before or my 3 plant strains are weaker.
8 wks this Mon and they look like 6 to me.
Lock out causes stunted growth and buds/colas, I read some where,
Mine keep locking out so I reduced the nutrient mix by half (400 PPM)
PH is about 5.8-6.2 range. In and rez tank and in the trays pretty
much the same, same with PPM in the tank/trays.
Other than taking the pots out and soaking them in plain water,
then emptying the tank and run it with plain PH water IDK.
I've change tanks with clean nutes several times during this grow with no tank or cloudy nute problems.

Or leave them be for awhile and maybe things will straighten out.
PPM @ 400, RH 40%, Fans always on, exhause set at a low 2, Lux 65k-75k, Light at 100% at 12"
I turned off the 2 TS1000 140w lights. I got some burn on the one QC B tops in the back but might be a nute burn too.
I noticed a reduction in purple stems, so that's good!

View attachment 42206
Funny how the QC B right-front looks better now and the QC W, which did well through out this grow is not so good now.
LSD back-right doing badly and the QC B left-back is doing badly.
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I know theyre bottom fed but the soil looks super dry man.
Any chance its just the plants not drinking properly, or the pots not watering correctly?

 

[Kuwl]

I know theyre bottom fed but the soil looks super dry man.
Any chance its just the plants not drinking properly, or the pots not watering correctly?

I noticed that yesterday and attached a small air hose to a syringe to see the ph of the water in the bottom of the soil.
I pulled back on the syringe and nothing but air. No gurgle, so it is dry all the way down.
It was dry as far down as I could go and it went down all the way to the bottom.
So I made a lig;ht mix of Bloom and FP cause they both had .1% iron in them PH 5.8 / PPM 400
and used a baster to flush some of the nute mix down the sides to moisten up the soil.

That said I did check the valves previously (a day or two before) and cleaned and cleaned them.
Also made sure the hose was on the nipple of the valve before I tightened it on.
The water in the reservoir looks lower than it should to me.
I might have to pull them apart again but for now I'll pour a cup of tank rez into each one to see it it helps.
Also I have 2 root controls on each pot, a sock on the outside and a square on the inside,
maybe too much interfering with the water intake?

 

[GoodShit97]

Man i really dont know, i know nothing about auto pots either or how they actually work.
Something cant be right if they're completely dry from top to bottom tho.
Take 1 off its base and hand water/feed it til finish? See what that does? Idk man im just shooting in the dark here

 

[Kuwl]

Man i really dont know, i know nothing about auto pots either or how they actually work.
Something cant be right if they're completely dry from top to bottom tho.
Take 1 off its base and hand water/feed it til finish? See what that does? Idk man im just shooting in the dark here

The water in the trays were only about an inch high,
high enough to tap the floats to make them bob and thought they were fine but
I put a 2 solo cups of rez tank nutes into each tray anyway,
The first one went in and went down enough to put a 2nd cup of rez in, which filled up the trays
after it went down on the 1st one but the covers still went on ok.
Then I put a solo cup of rez tank nutes onto the sides of each pot.
Should see some results tomorrow.
I'm gonna have to pull out the valve system and give it a go over again but
I did stick a paper clip end into the hole on the grey part of the valve after you lift the black float thingy.
I pushed the paper clip down to make sure the inside valve was working and they all were, holes were clear and none were stuck.
I'm gonna take the outside socks off, maybe tonight after I check the trays again
to see if the extra rez water got absorbed and if I have to add more.

 

[Kuwl]

The water in the trays were only about an inch high,
high enough to tap the floats to make them bob and thought they were fine but
I put a 2 solo cups of rez tank nutes into each tray anyway,
The first one went in and went down enough to put a 2nd cup of rez in, which filled up the trays
after it went down on the 1st one but the covers still went on ok.
Then I put a solo cup of rez tank nutes onto the sides of each pot.
Should see some results tomorrow.
I'm gonna have to pull out the valve system and give it a go over again but
I did stick a paper clip end into the hole on the grey part of the valve after you lift the black float thingy.
I pushed the paper clip down to make sure the inside valve was working and they all were, holes were clear and none were stuck.
I'm gonna take the outside socks off, maybe tonight after I check the trays again
to see if the extra rez water got absorbed and if I have to add more.

Took the extra socks off and checked the trays and they were still full, same as I left them so no more absorbtion from the pots.
PPM in the trays was 550 PH was 5.8
So now waiting a couple of days to see what happens.

 

[GoodShit97]

@Star Dog
You're running auto pots, not sure if its something new to you or not.

But Kuwl here has had one hell of a time with his auto pots lately, i was curious if you had any input?

 

[Kuwl]

Checking them today they don't look any worse so there's that lol
I seen they drank up the extra nutes in the trays, so that's good.
I stuck a paper clip wire into the grey valve hole to see if they were feeding/working properly
and they were. Then sticking a tube down the side of the pot to see if there is moisture down there
and there was. Right now I see everything working as it should.
I'm just going to sit on it for a few more days to see if they snap out of it.
Mon will be week 8 and I suspect i will be going to week 10 atm.
Well they're on their own for the next couple of days as I have to help move my daughter.

Next grow will be one strain for 4 pots and another strain for the other 4 pots and maybe dif nutes too.

 

[steamroller]

Good luck moving stuff.
Hope the weather cooperates.

 

[Pipecarver]

Checking them today they don't look any worse so there's that lol
I seen they drank up the extra nutes in the trays, so that's good.
I stuck a paper clip wire into the grey valve hole to see if they were feeding/working properly
and they were. Then sticking a tube down the side of the pot to see if there is moisture down there
and there was. Right now I see everything working as it should.
I'm just going to sit on it for a few more days to see if they snap out of it.
Mon will be week 8 and I suspect i will be going to week 10 atm.
Well they're on their own for the next couple of days as I have to help move my daughter.

Next grow will be one strain for 4 pots and another strain for the other 4 pots and maybe dif nutes too.

Hey, I hear you man its one thing after another sometimes, I can't diagnose nutrient issues and I'm not taking any readings on anything this grow. Other than keeping them fed I've just let mine go, all was good until about a week ago I saw a seed popping through the top of a front bud....WTF.....my whole crop is ....seeded.....I shake when I say that....I'm having a hard time concentrating......
Today I see another seed on top of another......I was hoping it wasn't all but alas I'll be chucking seeds again.......no fault of the pots, it looks like a Trainwreck started the mess cause they are full....60 days I gotta pull them all.........I guess I 'll be making a lot of oil...

 

[Kuwl]

Hey, I hear you man its one thing after another sometimes, I can't diagnose nutrient issues and I'm not taking any readings on anything this grow. Other than keeping them fed I've just let mine go, all was good until about a week ago I saw a seed popping through the top of a front bud....WTF.....my whole crop is ....seeded.....I shake when I say that....I'm having a hard time concentrating......
Today I see another seed on top of another......I was hoping it wasn't all but alas I'll be chucking seeds again.......no fault of the pots, it looks like a Trainwreck started the mess cause they are full....60 days I gotta pull them all.........I guess I 'll be making a lot of oil...

Been there done that bro
Yep I’m gonna try my nutes one more time but at half strength after going to flower.
That seems to be where all the trouble starts for me. It’s around 4 to 6 weeks into flower when the plants leaves start showing problems.
Also, I’m giving up on Clay balls I’ll put some Coco choir down there if anything.
Also, I’m going with one strain for the four pots and one strain for the other four.

I think I got the lighting down pretty good and everything else.
Dyna Pro products change to super thrive and this is the first time I’ve used them since the change.
They seem to be stronger, or my strains are weaker, not sure.
anyway, it’s definitely a nutrient problem.

 

[Pipecarver]

Been there done that bro
Yep I’m gonna try my nutes one more time but at half strength after going to flower.
That seems to be where all the trouble starts for me. It’s around 4 to 6 weeks into flower when the plants leaves start showing problems.
Also, I’m giving up on Clay balls I’ll put some Coco choir down there if anything.
Also, I’m going with one strain for the four pots and one strain for the other four.

I think I got the lighting down pretty good and everything else.
Dyna Pro products change to super thrive and this is the first time I’ve used them since the change.
They seem to be stronger, or my strains are weaker, not sure.
anyway, it’s definitely a nutrient problem.

I started pulling them today...a sparkled hermi......Chocolate Mimosa

 

[Kuwl]

I started pulling them today...a sparkled hermi......CView attachment 42578hocolate Mimosa

So beautiful it’s a shame

 

[OLDCRO]

Hey, I hear you man its one thing after another sometimes, I can't diagnose nutrient issues and I'm not taking any readings on anything this grow. Other than keeping them fed I've just let mine go, all was good until about a week ago I saw a seed popping through the top of a front bud....WTF.....my whole crop is ....seeded.....I shake when I say that....I'm having a hard time concentrating......
Today I see another seed on top of another......I was hoping it wasn't all but alas I'll be chucking seeds again.......no fault of the pots, it looks like a Trainwreck started the mess cause they are full....60 days I gotta pull them all.........I guess I 'll be making a lot of oil...

Pipe the weed we got in our day was full of seeds we smoked it anyways . There hard on shirts with the popping seeds throwing hot ambers all over. Bring you back to your teenage years !!!

 

[Kuwl]

Pipe the weed we got in our day was full of seeds we smoked it anyways . There hard on shirts with the popping seeds throwing hot ambers all over. Bring you back to your teenage years !!!

Cleaning a lil baggys in the 70's was not much trouble
but this amt is a pain in the butt, but worth it.

Hell I'm still cleaning seeds from the last grow hahaha
Still good smoke tho and gets me high where I want to be
I got a small colander and filters the weed out and keeps the seeds in,
it's just the right hole size for stopping the seeds and stems.
Different than a regular size colander, smaller holes.
No brand name on it and think I got it at goodwill.

 

[Pipecarver]

Pipe the weed we got in our day was full of seeds we smoked it anyways . There hard on shirts with the popping seeds throwing hot ambers all over. Bring you back to your teenage years !!!

Cleaning a lil baggys in the 70's was not much trouble
but this amt is a pain in the butt, but worth it.

Hell I'm still cleaning seeds from the last grow hahaha
Still good smoke tho and gets me high where I want to be
I got a small colander and filters the weed out and keeps the seeds in,
it's just the right hole size for stopping the seeds and stems.
Different than a regular size colander, smaller holes.
No brand name on it and think I got it at goodwill.

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That's a good idea, I'll look at the V.V store next week and get my 30% seniors discount....probably save me 30 - 40 cents....lol....smoking the very last of my Gsc, the Qcblue is gone all I've left is some Sour D to get me through another week or 2 before this crop is dried up enough to start chipping at it.....My next crop of 6 is coming along now that they are in 1 gal pots and I've fertilized them they're starting to fill in ....onward and sideways....lol

 

[Kuwl]

That's a good idea, I'll look at the V.V store next week and get my 30% seniors discount....probably save me 30 - 40 cents....lol....smoking the very last of my Gsc, the Qcblue is gone all I've left is some Sour D to get me through another week or 2 before this crop is dried up enough to start chipping at it.....My next crop of 6 is coming along now that they are in 1 gal pots and I've fertilized them they're starting to fill in ....onward and sideways....lol

bring a few seeds to see if the holes are small enough.
i think my colander is for rinsing rice as the holes are smaller than a normal colander.

 

[Kuwl]

Dam I feel like death warmed over!
This move is killin' me lmao

I am flooding the trays each day to make sure they get enough to drink.
They always look dry on the top soil so hard to tell if they drinking only a
stick in the rez tank will tell the tale'
PPM in the rez tank is 840 and I think I will leave it alone and add PH water
into it from now on. That should lower the amt of nutes each time till they are ready to harvest.
Hopefully the cola's will fatten up more in the next 2 weeks.

I will change my nutrient feed chart next grow by half in week 4 or 5 of flower.

 

[Kuwl]

First of all thanks for all the input and help suggestions, I appreciate it much.

8 Weeks Mon.
I think the plants are responding positively to whatever I'm doing, not sure what I'm doing tho, lol.
I forgot what mix I got in there but it seems to be calming them down a bit.
The lock out cause is unknown to me but maybe PH related or too much nutrients of one kind or another.
Maybe i put too many clay balls in there and the nute water is not reaching the soil so much idk.
Anyway they seem to be better than before and the yellowing leafs stopped and are regressing a bit.
Especially the QC W leafs are showing more green.
The QC B in front is doing much better also.

Water is getting a bit cloudy in the tank so might change it Mon.
PPM = 470 PH = 6.0 (leaving it alone for now)
Raised the light from 12 to 14 in. Lowered the intensity to 60k lux
RH = 40% Room Temp = 78 F

I stick a paper clip in the hole in the grey part of the valve sys
to push the inside valve down to fill the resivour a bit more.
I could also use a solo cup to put more nute water in from the rez tank,
but would rather use the paper clip way.

From now on I am being carefull to not stress them out.
Haven't used the loop yet, still waiting for those colas to plump up more.
Here's some close ups and top view of the plants.

For some odd reason the two plants in the back are slow to recover
and were the first to show signs of yellow leaves.
Also their trays were shallow with nute water for some reason,
the water feed was not so good as the front 2.

QC W

LSD

QC B (back left)

QC B (Front left)

Looking better

 

[GoodShit97]

First of all thanks for all the input and help suggestions, I appreciate it much.

8 Weeks Mon.
I think the plants are responding positively to whatever I'm doing, not sure what I'm doing tho, lol.
I forgot what mix I got in there but it seems to be calming them down a bit.
The lock out cause is unknown to me but maybe PH related or too much nutrients of one kind or another.
Maybe i put too many clay balls in there and the nute water is not reaching the soil so much idk.
Anyway they seem to be better than before and the yellowing leafs stopped and are regressing a bit.
Especially the QC W leafs are showing more green.
The QC B in front is doing much better also.

Water is getting a bit cloudy in the tank so might change it Mon.
PPM = 470 PH = 6.0 (leaving it alone for now)
Raised the light from 12 to 14 in. Lowered the intensity to 60k lux
RH = 40% Room Temp = 78 F

I stick a paper clip in the hole in the grey part of the valve sys
to push the inside valve down to fill the resivour a bit more.
I could also use a solo cup to put more nute water in from the rez tank,
but would rather use the paper clip way.

From now on I am being carefull to not stress them out.
Haven't used the loop yet, still waiting for those colas to plump up more.
Here's some close ups and top view of the plants.

For some odd reason the two plants in the back are slow to recover
and were the first to show signs of yellow leaves.
Also their trays were shallow with nute water for some reason,
the water feed was not so good as the front 2.

QC W
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LSD
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QC B (back left)
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QC B (Front left)
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Looking better
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The way those are yellowing/burning makes me think theyre locked out.
Im thinking K, but im so bad at this lol.

 

[Kuwl]

The way those are yellowing/burning makes me think theyre locked out.
Im thinking K, but im so bad at this lol.

I pretty much tried everything I could think of and nothing works for them.
Since the others are showing a lil recovery maybe those will too, eventually
I don't think they will, with the time left tho.

 

[brettdawg]

I was getting issues when using clay pebbles. Affected ph in rootzone. Even when i soaked and cleaned them beforehand now uuse the bases at bottom of pots no issues yet

 

[Kuwl]

I was getting issues when using clay pebbles. Affected ph in rootzone. Even when i soaked and cleaned them beforehand now uuse the bases at bottom of pots no issues yet

Hey Brett, that might be the og problem behind all the issues I'm havin'
I was wondering about your PPM from the start of flower to end.
I believe I might be over doing the nutrients in the AP's.
Mine goes from 4-500 to 12-1400 PPM and what nutrients package are you using for your AP's?

 

[Pipecarver]

Hey Brett, that might be the og problem behind all the issues I'm havin'
I was wondering about your PPM from the start of flower to end.
I believe I might be over doing the nutrients in the AP's.
Mine goes from 4-500 to 12-1400 PPM and what nutrients package are you using for your AP's?

Hey, I never checked my ph or ppm this grow, I cleaned my res twice but in my promix/perlite I just added my nutes in pretty = numbers until flowering and I adjusted according to that chart I kept pushing. Sure I got a fking hermi to ruin the batch but that's not because of the feed.

Can you get any of these bales?.....I'll use any of them I have the VPW30 in my pots now, I call it promix for ease of understanding the mix type but they're all the same with ph buffers that don't seem to need adjusting with up or down.......If its a soil grow / promix the auto pots seem to handle the ph the same way.......I think once you start chasing it you;'ll get fits trying to control it......

I grew for about 20 years without knowing about ph then when I learned I though all my problems were solved, nope it caused me lock ups and stunted plants so I learned about run off testing and wow I was in the 4.9 ph range, I added lime and stopped using ph down to adjust my water then ph up to get my nutes to 6.5 by adding up......After being on the Farm some of the guys Gnick in particular was adamant about no adjusting nutes in promix with up or down claiming that once you do that it kills the buffers and then you'll have to chase your ph with up or down to get it balanced.

Anyway, long story after a long joint but I no longer bother with it and all seems good...septforthefkighermi!

 

[brettdawg]

Hey Brett, that might be the og problem behind all the issues I'm havin'
I was wondering about your PPM from the start of flower to end.
I believe I might be over doing the nutrients in the AP's.
Mine goes from 4-500 to 12-1400 PPM and what nutrients package are you using for your AP's?

EC start of flower 1.2-1.4 first 3 weeks.
Went up to 1.6 week 4. Week 5-6 ec 1.8.
Then started to taper bak down.

 

[Kuwl]

Hey, I never checked my ph or ppm this grow, I cleaned my res twice but in my promix/perlite I just added my nutes in pretty = numbers until flowering and I adjusted according to that chart I kept pushing. Sure I got a fking hermi to ruin the batch but that's not because of the feed.

Can you get any of these bales?.....I'll use any of them I have the VPW30 in my pots now, I call it promix for ease of understanding the mix type but they're all the same with ph buffers that don't seem to need adjusting with up or down.......If its a soil grow / promix the auto pots seem to handle the ph the same way.......I think once you start chasing it you;'ll get fits trying to control it......

I grew for about 20 years without knowing about ph then when I learned I though all my problems were solved, nope it caused me lock ups and stunted plants so I learned about run off testing and wow I was in the 4.9 ph range, I added lime and stopped using ph down to adjust my water then ph up to get my nutes to 6.5 by adding up......After being on the Farm some of the guys Gnick in particular was adamant about no adjusting nutes in promix with up or down claiming that once you do that it kills the buffers and then you'll have to chase your ph with up or down to get it balanced.

Anyway, long story after a long joint but I no longer bother with it and all seems good...septforthefkighermi!
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Nope I can only get this one, Premium Organic Pro Mix

it just might be the PH as the problem and the cause of the lock out.
But I still think I'm too high on the PPM for AP's
I think I was at 1100-1200 when this shit started to happen with the yellow leaves.
Last grow was at 1400 PPM/2.8 ec but did not have lockout problems but did have leaf/bud issues.
AP manual says 5.8 PH is what is called for, if using soil.
The clay balls might be causing my Ph to jump up a bit but not a hell of a lot to cause any problems.
Last grow I used clay balls and I don't think they effected the plants.
Unless the AP chart/manual is just dead wrong.
I had some problems last grow also but I think they were light related and maybe a bit to much PPM also.
I did change soils since then. I used to use MotherEarth Groundswell.
I haven't been down to look at them yet today but they looked better yesterday.
If it's PH which has been between 5.8 and 6.3 this whole grow idk what to think.

going down to take a measurement fron the tank and the trays brb

 

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Promix is hard to get or expensive as hell here in new york.
I have to order it online at Ace Hardware and wait 5 days for it to be delivered to the store, then i have to go pick it up.