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[moe.red]

And hard disagree that plants and the microbes they feed have no effect on res water.

These are both your quotes to my response that I did not see a different in PH swings with sterile or live. I am going to stick to what I said because of a few things. The first being that #1 If the plant has such a measurable way of influencing the PH and water chemistry in the rez I should have seen a substantial difference in PH and PPM swings going from sterile to live. (why should I have seen this because the microbes would have been eating some of the water chemistry that was changing as a result of their presents) This I did not see. Secondly, there was another well known grower over that the other place @Dirtbag that thought Microbes where the holly grail at one time and he I believe admitted he did not see substantial differences as a result of introducing microbes into the grow.

See you keep talking about microbes and I am not.

 

[moe.red]

How did you find this information. Was it in research or personnel experience?

Research.

 

[Anthem275]

See you keep talking about microbes and I am not.

That was the bases of my point from the beginning.

 

[Anthem275]

Research.

What research?
Probes in the Rez?

 

[Dirtbag]

Sterile all the way for this guy. Saw zero difference using microbes for several grows. If it helped, it wasn't perceptible to me at all. And the sterile res was far more stable.
MiMed and I arhed about it a lot and I have to concede, he was right I believe.

 

[smoke]

What research?
Probes in the Rez?

Anthem can you explain what and where this rez is,

My rez is my 70gal tank that tops up my system and only contains ro water and calmag. My epicenter is where i have my probes and where I add the nutrients.

 

[smoke]

My system is dropping by .4 ph in 24 hours so i turned on the auto doser. I personally have always thought it was caused by rot and kinda "normal " in my grows.

 

[Dirtbag]

My system is dropping by .4 ph in 24 hours so i turned on the auto doser. I personally have always thought it was caused by rot and kinda "normal " in my grogrowsu

I've seen airstones drop ph that much by carbon dioxide forming carbonic acid. Haven't used an airstone in well over a decade because of it.
Except for the nasty Earth Juice grow... but I don't talk about that.

 

[smoke]

I've seen airstones drop ph that much by carbon dioxide forming carbonic acid. Haven't used an airstone in well over a decade because of it.
Except for the nasty Earth Juice grow... but I don't talk about that.

Interesting about the stones.

My system is a of the shelf current culture system that's basically a airstone in each plant module a 500 gal external water pump that dumps into the epicenter aka a waterfall.

Im pretty sure you're aware that i don't run sterile nor do i add any beneficials to my mix.

Could it be the the airstones all along that's causing the ph to fall?

Do you think there would be a immediate response in the ph drift by simply turning off the air pump?

 

[moe.red]

Sterile all the way for this guy. Saw zero difference using microbes for several grows. If it helped, it wasn't perceptible to me at all. And the sterile res was far more stable.
MiMed and I arhed about it a lot and I have to concede, he was right I believe.

Hey dirtbag anthem called you in for microbes and sterile but that has nothing to do with my point. We are just not communicating for some reason.

Even if you run sterile the plant does not know that and still processes exudates of many kinds like sugars and CO2 (not really an exudate) that have an impact on the chemistry in the media.

The plants by themselves can effect ph if microbes are allowed to grow or not

And anthem by research I mean it in the classical term - cracking a book open. Sticking a probe in the res is testing.

 

[Dirtbag]

Hey dirtbag anthem called you in for microbes and sterile but that has nothing to do with my point. We are just not communicating for some reason.

Even if you run sterile the plant does not know that and still processes exudates of many kinds like sugars and CO2 (not really an exudate) that have an impact on the chemistry in the media.

The plants by themselves can effect ph if microbes are allowed to grow or not

And anthem by research I mean it in the classical term - cracking a book open. Sticking a probe in the res is testing.

Feels like I stumbled into the middle of something...

 

[Anthem275]

What research?
Probes in the Rez?

I guess no answer on this one?

 

[Anthem275]

Anthem can you explain what and where this rez is,

My rez is my 70gal tank that tops up my system and only contains ro water and calmag. My epicenter is where i have my probes and where I add the nutrients.

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I would consider ther epicenter your Rez but I 100 percent see your point.

 

[Anthem275]

Feels like I stumbled into the middle of something...

One last time Moe. Sterile VS Live should have a dramatic effect on the PH and PPM of the Rez based on the plant exudates carbs to feed the microbes. If the plant is responsible for a measurable amount of PH and PPM change and the plant exudates carbs to feed the plants and this is documented as a large component of the exudates I should have seen a greater than minor change in PH and PPM. I did not see this going live or sterile.

 

[steamroller]

And this is why I still watch and use dirt.
The advice given on this forum has some people doing really great.
I could mention at least 2 hydro ' newbs' that by all accounts are hitting it out of the park.
And then you have the 'pro' with issues that need consideration.
I guess a lot as it is already..

 

[Anthem275]

What I am saying is that plants, during photosynthesis, put carbon dioxide in the media at a higher level than atmospheric can contribute at 400PPM.

Good to know regardless of plant size they each put more than 400 PPM of Co2 into the media regardless of how much air you pump into the water.

 

[moe.red]

I guess no answer on this one?

I did answer. Just proves you are not reading my posts and are on a different page

Not interested in a condescending back and forth with you. You seem to be defending a point I am not even attempting to make here.

Anyhow, research in terms of reading. You got google too.

 

[Anthem275]

I did answer. Just proves you are not reading my posts and are on a different page

Not interested in a condescending back and forth with you. You seem to be defending a point I am not even attempting to make here.

Anyhow, research in terms of reading. You got google too.

Pardon I did not see you response. I went back and found your response. I will most certainly do my own research and testing.

 

[moe.red]

Good to know regardless of plant size they each put more than 400 PPM of Co2 into the media regardless of how much air you pump into the water.

To this point, I assume you mean you have a bubbler in a res type scenario in mind. If so, a natural equilibrium between atmospheric and CO2 in the res will happen. You cannot keep adding to the CO2 in the res once you have reached that equilibrium unless you increase atmospheric CO2.

Or you have another source of CO2 like plants.

But CO2 is far from the only chemistry in play here if PH is your measuring stick. The whole system including nutes is ionic bonds all of which have a charge.

 

[Anthem275]

To this point, I assume you mean you have a bubbler in a res type scenario in mind. If so, a natural equilibrium between atmospheric and CO2 in the res will happen. You cannot keep adding to the CO2 in the res once you have reached that equilibrium unless you increase atmospheric CO2.

Or you have another source of CO2 like plants.

But CO2 is far from the only chemistry in play here if PH is your measuring stick. The whole system including nutes is ionic bonds all of which have a charge.

I am sorry Moe but I am not going to continue this. I am also not interested in a condescending back and forth with you. Have a great day.
Pease out Anthem

 

[moe.red]

I am sorry Moe but I am not going to continue this. I am also not interested in a condescending back and forth with you. Have a great day.
Pease out Anthem

It’s like we are not reading the same thread. Wow.

 

[Zen_seeker]

This is the point one of you says “excuse me my drink is empty” and you break off looking for the bar and/or another conversation to join.

This is why email and text isn’t the best way to do business either. Face to face or the phone really gets through better.

Regardless a lot of good info was there. Reading was educational.

 

[Pipecarver]

It’s like we are not reading the same thread. Wow.

with what I've read here there is no mention of the temperature the res is at.....and will temp have an effect on nutes and ph while streaming through your system?. I'm just learning this sht but I don't see a chiller in your system and with lights on your fluid is going to get mighty warm.

 

[smoke]

with what I've read here there is no mention of the temperature the res is at.....and will temp have an effect on nutes and ph while streaming through your system?. I'm just learning this sht but I don't see a chiller in your system and with lights on your fluid is going to get mighty warm.

I have a chiller in veg and flower rooms if your talking to me.

I was gone most of day running equipment to build a stone retaining wall until vertigo kicked in.

 

[Observer]

with what I've read here there is no mention of the temperature the res is at.....and will temp have an effect on nutes and ph while streaming through your system?. I'm just learning this sht but I don't see a chiller in your system and with lights on your fluid is going to get mighty warm.

Yes

 

[Observer]

I don't think a chiller is an ABSOLUTE necessity, although.

i could be wrong im not the expert.
Correct me if I am please.

Proof (?)


that was a 3gal DWC bucket.

i changed the res whenever i felt like it needed it

could have been once a week or twice a month, or so.
i mostly just topped it off.

that was my first DWC run though, just wanted/needed to learn it real quick.



"One way to get the right answer, say something blatantly wrong on forums"
I use this tactic some lol.

Even if someone doesn't like you they'll chime in with the right information and go, pfft idiot.

Thanks for the knowledge though.

 

[smoke]

First off let me say, i now don't think there was anything in the calmag to cause the spike higher and it must have bean something else

I don't think a chiller is an ABSOLUTE necessity, although.

I wouldn't do it without but i have seen it done. SweetLeafGrow just had a harvest or maybe mrs

 

[Observer]

Bennies or sterile means you may not need one, and or depends on you're rooms temps

(???)

 

[smoke]

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Bennies or sterile means you may not need one, and or depends on you're rooms temps

(???)

Im not running sterile and i don't add anything beneficial (bennies)

But again i wouldn't recommend not having one imvho

 

[Observer]

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Im not running sterile and i don't add anything beneficial (bennies)

I was going to mention that bit.

I thought it was you but couldnt remember for sure lol.

So the open variable there is the Plants (?)

Your plants are healthy as fuck and you're room is clean.

And or you are a outlier/exception lol.

(???)