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[smoke]

I was going to mention that bit.

I thought it was you but couldnt remember for sure lol.

So the open variable there is the Plants (?)

Your plants are healthy as fuck and you're room is clean.

And or you are a outlier/exception lol.

(???)

https://budbuilders.org/threads/smoke.320/post-16670

 

[Observer]

https://budbuilders.org/threads/smoke.320/post-16670

Yeah nice

Clean room and healthy plants.

Healthy plants will/can fight things off on their own (?)

 

[Observer]

Jeez man. Those are some big ass indoor plants brother!! Ive never seen something even close to it. Thats crazy

Not to shit on his grows or anything just want to provide a little insight

Those appear HPS

You're gonna get taller plants under red

Otherwise

Smoke kills it either way

 

[moe.red]

Chiller? Nice add on. A lot depends on your climate O2 in the system and grow style. Every grower will have their own sweet spot based on environment and lights. In some climates it is a requirement.

Bennies - they mostly grow faster in warmer temps. Both good and bad. It is why folks with bad water chemistry struggle with root rot. You need to stay ahead and outcompete pythium or kill it all off so conventional wisdom would say. But smoke laughs at conventional wisdom.

Smokes dissolved O2 is high giving him lots of leeway in his grows. The chiller plays a part in that.

Iv been curious to watch this grow because these clones are new to his system. They will bring with them new bacterias.

 

[smoke]

Iv been curious to watch this grow because these clones are new to his system. They will bring with them new bacterias.

You know I've never thought of that before but this will be only the second time I've brought clones in from a outside source.

So far so good they are eating good at 450ppm

 

[smoke]

Bit of update. Clones from Anthem275 arrived 7 weeks ago today. The watermelon gelato and chetta piss are in the veg room as moms.

These 4 af1 were moved over 11 days ago and are doing good ppm at 450 still on 16/8 Some roots pic for Moe. They are looking better too.



And the watermelon gelato roots

 

[moe.red]

Bit of update. Clones from Anthem275 arrived 7 weeks ago today. The watermelon gelato and chetta piss are in the veg room as moms.

These 4 af1 were moved over 11 days ago and are doing good ppm at 450 still on 16/8 Some roots pic for Moe. They are looking better too.

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And the watermelon gelato roots

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Roots don't seem to have that dark area near the top any more. Did you change something?

My RDWC Watermelon is taking off like a rocket too, even tho I'm giving it low PPM, low PPFD, and generally trying to stifle growth. I noticed the branches break easily when I was taking clones this weekend. Possible too much silica, but could also be genetic. The one in soil is so much smaller there is really no comparison on branches. But the soil did not seem as brittle.

Your roots look about like mine.

 

[smoke]

Roots don't seem to have that dark area near the top any more. Did you change something?

My RDWC Watermelon is taking off like a rocket too, even tho I'm giving it low PPM, low PPFD, and generally trying to stifle growth. I noticed the branches break easily when I was taking clones this weekend. Possible too much silica, but could also be genetic. The one in soil is so much smaller there is really no comparison on branches. But the soil did not seem as brittle.

Your roots look about like mine.

The watermelon root picture has bean in the same water 6 weeks haven't done nothing but add nutrients.

The 4 af1 were moved from that veg room where the watermelon is now to this room 11 days ago.
This ro water was "buffered" which settled at 80 ppm then 200 ppm of calmag was added.

Ppms at 450 and calmag makes up 1/2 of it.

Root picture of plant #4 when we moved them over (notice calcium def). Bottom picture same plants roots today.

 

[smoke]

Had my helper with me so i thought id put up a picture of the roots of the chetta piss.

The water hasn't bean changed in six weeks. Ppm at 380. Something possibly floating in the water and was stuck to the roots as they were lifted up.

 

[Max]

That’s unreal..like fairy floss .big roots= happy plants .

 

[smoke]

Does anyone know where i copied this screen shot from?



It peaks ca and mg needs earlier in the flower cycle.

 

[smoke]

 

[Max]

Are those charts cannabis related or for some other plant.I just use cal/mag from week three in small doses up to a couple weeks till chop..those charts are completely different when to use it.

 

[smoke]

Are those charts cannabis related or for some other plant.I just use cal/mag from week three in small doses up to a couple weeks till chop..those charts are completely different when to use it.

Both charts are cannabis related the second line chart was posted by Bill Farthing, plants are responding well to the earlier bump in calmag. @Mad Max if you look at the ppms for the ca at week 15 its above 150 ppms. In my rdwc system that is 3ml/gal

Down the rabbit hole i went
Around the 40 min mark

 

[Observer]

Had my helper with me so i thought id put up a picture of the roots of the chetta piss.

The water hasn't bean changed in six weeks. Ppm at 380. Something possibly floating in the water and was stuck to the roots as they were lifted up.

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Clumps of dead bacteria.

Root stuff

Organic matter

(?)

 

[smoke]

Clumps of dead bacteria.

Root stuff

Organic matter

(?)

Imo its a good bacteria of sorts that needs to be bottled up and sold on amazon. Water is almost 7 weeks old.

Im hoping culture samples will be growing before year end.

 

[Observer]

Imo its a good bacteria of sorts that needs to be bottled up and sold on amazon. Water is almost 7 weeks old.

Im hoping culture samples will be growing before year end.

collect some into a pitri dish/slide if possible

 

[smoke]

The watermelon root picture has bean in the same water 6 weeks haven't done nothing but add nutrients.

The 4 af1 were moved from that veg room where the watermelon is now to this room 11 days ago.
This ro water was "buffered" which settled at 80 ppm then 200 ppm of calmag was added.

Ppms at 450 and calmag makes up 1/2 of it.

Root picture of plant #4 when we moved them over (notice calcium def). Bottom picture same plants roots today.
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The root pictures above show what some will call a double root ball. Here's the top view.


Plants are eating steady ppms and only being fed what they want. Ppms hanging around 470. Books for the last 9 days


Edit: add root ball pictures

 

[GoodShit97]

The root pictures above show what some will call a double root ball. Here's the top view.
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Plants are eating steady ppms and only being fed what they want. Ppms hanging around 470. Books for the last 9 days
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That book is what i need to get better about. I started one and stopped updating it once i flipped to flower.... i really need to stay on top of it.

 

[smoke]

That book is what i need to get better about. I started one and stopped updating it once i flipped to flower.... i really need to stay on top of it.

We have 3 books with 10 years worth of grows in them. Handy reference. Wanna know about spider mites in 2017?

As an example these plants today have consistently bean eating every day for the last 17 days no need to do a water change. 17 days is unusual for us when feeding equal parts during what i call the transition phase. I know Aqua referenced using equal parts from start to finish as a idea/thought.

 

[GoodShit97]

We have 3 books with 10 years worth of grows in them. Handy reference. Wanna know about spider mites in 2017?

As an example these plants today have consistently bean eating every day for the last 17 days no need to do a water change. 17 days is unusual for us when feeding equal parts during what i call the transition phase. I know Aqua referenced using equal parts from start to finish as a idea/thought.

Jeez man thats a lot of info for sure.
I really gotta get my shit together and do things right instead if cutting every corner possible

 

[Observer]

That book is what i need to get better about. I started one and stopped updating it once i flipped to flower.... i really need to stay on top of it

i got 2 i use, wrote everything at the time relevant and only go back and add really specific stuff, need to docuemnt things a little better, either use notes on here too or just leave it in my mind - but then you lose track eventually.

 

[Zen_seeker]

That book is what i need to get better about. I started one and stopped updating it once i flipped to flower.... i really need to stay on top of it.

Journal is a great tool. Most probably use their phone or PC but I always liked a journal.

Harder to keep at it these days but for sake of improvement I try to do it whenever I at least change lights, feedings, environment (not fan stuff unless testing ideas), adding/removing things and age of plants amongst other things.

After a few grows you can look back and see patterns and/or review issues and successes. Real handy for recalling exact amounts used or durations.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Jeez man thats a lot of info for sure.
I really gotta get my shit together and do things right instead if cutting every corner possible

Start slow and simple. Date, tent, what got what and how much. Maybe temp & RH for environment reference.

You notice a good/bad/interesting thing make a note.

Use a book or binder style. Pads or tear away pads tend to break down or get lost. Phone app or just notepad on PC is good too.

Just my $0.05, no more pennies.

 

[smoke]

I thought i would explain how i feed, aka my books. I feed GH 3 part and Cal-Mag nothing else. The external res contains ro water and calmag at a rate of 3ml per gal

On 7-30 in the morning ppm was 400 and ph was 5.8 so i fed 10ml green 10ml brown 10ml pink 10 ml Cal-Mag which brought the ppm up and settled at 440 ppm at 5.8 ph. The numbers on the far right is water gallons per day that they are drinking 62 to 57 they drank 5 gallons overnight.

Edit i only feed their appetites

 

[Moshmen]

And this is why I still watch and use dirt.
The advice given on this forum has some people doing really great.
I could mention at least 2 hydro ' newbs' that by all accounts are hitting it out of the park.
And then you have the 'pro' with issues that need consideration.
I guess a lot as it is already..

Catching up here but you’re in to something I planned in switching to wool when I fire back up but man mayb just stick to what I know or don’t know ? Lol dirt is easy .

 

[Moshmen]

Hard to deny the growth you guys get from hydro though ! Nice work smoke lookin good up in there !

 

[smoke]

Catching up here but you’re in to something I planned in switching to wool when I fire back up but man mayb just stick to what I know or don’t know ? Lol dirt is easy .

Not exactly sure what @steamroller was referring to in his statement. What i made a remark about was adding a bunch of calmag and seeing the ph reverse from going down to going up after adding the calmag, something i had never experienced before. I was just reporting what I was seeing on my meters. Turns out my meters were screwy and the calmag had nothing to do with it.

 

[smoke]

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Some information on the origin of the top chart.

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[Rootsruler]

Hard to deny the growth you guys get from hydro though ! Nice work smoke lookin good up in there !

Right? Seeing Moes side by side I'm tempted to start another dining room RDWC......