There were 8 in the pack.
Haha yeah.. looked like a fat tick ready to pop
Nice to know
These 4 beans are my contingency plan if the clones never root. I'll grow them out in the system for a month or so to take bigger/healthier cuttings. I'll choose the better looking plant and clone it as many times as I can... leave the others in the system for if those clones fail.
Question for you. Since I'll be taking more mature cuttings, should I top these plants or let 'em run? Which is the best route to be able to get the highest number of clones with the shortest time in Veg. I assume topping them will slow them down a bit, but I've never NOT topped, so I don't know which way to go if the plan is to farm the whole plant out for clones...
What I'm seeing from the big seeds in green foil packs I've passed on has been terrible really. No other way to put it. So when I ask about other seeds I was really asking about other seeds from another breeder. I just can't express how much of a waste of time those green foil packs and bulbous seeds are.
Don't mean to be all doom and gloom about them and wish I had something good to write but I don't. I think the last drop had over 40 of those seeds and only like 3 plants that were normal came up and those three had yields that were less than 1/4 other strains in the grow.
I plan on running my Vietnamese cut in clones. Right now I have 6 seeds started of regular stock. Past has shown a reliable 50/50 male/female ratio along with good stability so I expect at least 2 females, likely same pheno but could have some slight variation.
If I get those two or more females they will become mothers. More moms the better has always been my motto.
I'll start training and sculpting very early. It will go way beyond topping and into bonsai management.
Bonsai'ing will give me some age to the mother as I keep cutting her back. Her stalks will fatten and they'll load up on natural rooting hormones. The more I put into this stage the more and better clones I'll get later.
When I'm ready to take my clones I expect my mothers will be at least 2 months old but probably closer to 3.
The clones will come off lower branching shoots and should be loaded and ready to root naturally on their own. Sticking them in a glass of water would probably get them to root but I'm gonna go aero and use microbials to speed it all up and get an insane root ball growing to start.
A well trained and healthy bonsai mother can produce anywhere from 5 to 30+ clones every two weeks depending on size from micro mom to a decent sized gal with a 2'x2' topiary canopy.
After rooting they go straight to bloom. I don't veg clones at all since they grow so fast during preflower. It's not uncommon for a hybrid clone to start out at 6" and finish at 5' tall and wide. If they're indicas, maybe a little veg growth to get them some size but sativas and hybrids can go from cloner to bloom and it's actually ideal to do so.
Anyways, going back to topping etc.
So say you have a youngish plant and have topped her. The new shoots grow out and has forced side branching.
Those new shoots growing out will make shitty clones if you took them asap. Yes they can root but it will be slow and wonky, on the brink of death, and maybe with a little luck, some root in 2-3 weeks.
If you cut those new shoots back again, topping what's been topped, it forces more branching from the remaining nodes and builds up rooting hormones inside the mother. More branching means more clones. Older branching means more reliable and faster clones.
So you can see where this is headed to create your own success...more branching on older growth will produce more and reliable clones in a speedy, healthy manor.
The more you can dedicate to that, the better the cloning operation and results on the back end giving you clones running out of the cloner and into bloom instead of limping out and needing some veg time to recover.
