Cannabis high fertigation coco by Aqua Man

[Observer]

This method isn’t very well suited to larger pots but it also eliminates the need for larger pots

Therefore, denser grows.

I will show, down the line.

 

[SSgrower]

Interesting as I saw a video a few days ago on a grow in Perlite. Observer, you enjoy "Sea of Green" growing in small pots huh? Do you pull down a 1/2 lb. a light with those solo's you enjoy running or ya just getting rid of "Bagseed aculamation" misspelled< SSgrower?

 

[Observer]

Interesting as I saw a video a few days ago on a grow in Perlite. Observer, you enjoy "Sea of Green" growing in small pots huh? Do you pull down a 1/2 lb. a light with those solo's you enjoy running or ya just getting rid of "Bagseed aculamation" misspelled< SSgrower?

Everything ive been doing is to learn the science, the mechanics and the variables to be, manipulated.

once we get moved, more stable and set up, i will be doing an attempt at testing Yield/per sqft

none of my grows so far have been an attempt at Yield, so i cant really answer that YET, but i think i can possibly get 80g-117g/per sqft of canopy/grow space if not more, which would be around 6.5lbs, in 25 SQFT.

 

[Observer]

Science has became a bunch of Pussies.

we dont do "Cowboy Science" as much/anymore

- Eric Weinstein on JRE podcast

its 4 hours long, but its Great.

 

[SSgrower]

Thanks Observer, cowboy is all us old guys knew back in the 60's so I can "dig it", Stay down bro, hey @Aquaman & Max

 

[Aqua Man]

Thanks Observer, cowboy is all us old guys knew back in the 60's so I can "dig it", Stay down bro, hey @Aquaman & Max

Hey brother hope things are well. Peeking in here and there to see your beautiful work even if in silent. This summer is proving to be very busy as lots of friends and family around and all the events that go with that

 

[Observer]

Never really though about it. I cant see it having any major advantages i can think but never tried that

""Yes, the media that the root mass is grown in will also affect the amount of root mass that a red Solo cup can hold. Aerated media, such as perlite or vermiculite, will hold more root mass than non-aerated media, such as peat moss or coco coir.""

 

[Observer]

""
Here are some additional reasons why vermiculite allows for more root mass than coco or perlite or peat:

• Vermiculite has a larger pore size than coco or perlite or peat. This means that there is more space for air and water to circulate around the roots.
• Vermiculite is more inert than coco or perlite or peat. This means that it does not contain any nutrients that can compete with the roots for food.
• Vermiculite is more pH neutral than coco or perlite or peat. This means that it does not affect the pH of the water or nutrients that the roots are exposed to.

Overall, vermiculite is a good choice for media if you want to encourage root growth. It is aerated, lightweight, inert, and pH neutral. These properties make it a good environment for roots to grow and thrive.""

this is from BARD - Googles AI, has acccess to real time data unlike ChatGPT 3.5, and it may provide more accurate/realistic results/facts over the free version of chatgpt 3.5, perhaps.

 

[Observer]

The aeration properties of a particular media can vary depending on the following specific circumstances:

• The amount of vermiculite used. The more vermiculite you use, the more aerated the media will be.
• The size of the vermiculite particles. Larger vermiculite particles will have larger pore sizes and will be more aerated than smaller vermiculite particles.
• The moisture content of the media. Wet media will be less aerated than dry media.
• The temperature of the media. Warmer media will be less aerated than cooler media.
• The pH of the media. Acidic media will be less aerated than alkaline media.
• The presence of other materials in the media. The presence of other materials, such as peat moss or coco coir, can reduce the aeration of the media.

- BARD

 

[Max]

I believe the opposite that vermiculite is used for moisture retention and not for aeration.holds water and nutrients longer and has a higher retention rate than perlite…perlites used for aeration and to drain quickly.since vermiculate is compressed and expands so holds more water than perlite so it doesn’t aerate the soil as well as perlite so that means less oxygen for the plants..

 

[Observer]

I believe the opposite that vermiculite is used for moisture retention and not for aeration.holds water and nutrients longer and has a higher retention rate than perlite…perlites used for aeration and to drain quickly.since vermiculate is compressed and expands so holds more water than perlite so it doesn’t aerate the soil as well as perlite so that means less oxygen for the plants..

""
Vermiculite and perlite are both inert materials that are often used as growing media for plants. They are both lightweight and have good drainage properties, but vermiculite is more aerate than perlite.

Here are some of the reasons why vermiculite is more aerate than perlite:

• Vermiculite has a larger pore size than perlite. This means that there is more space for air to flow through vermiculite, which helps to improve drainage and aeration.
• Vermiculite is more porous than perlite. This means that it has more tiny air pockets, which also helps to improve drainage and aeration.
• Vermiculite retains water better than perlite. This means that it can help to keep your plants' roots moist without drowning them.

Perlite is also a good growing medium, but it is not as aerate as vermiculite. If you are looking for a growing medium that will provide your plants with good drainage and aeration, vermiculite is a better choice than perlite.


its all from google, so what is going on here?

 

[Observer]

I believe the opposite that vermiculite is used for moisture retention and not for aeration.holds water and nutrients longer and has a higher retention rate than perlite…perlites used for aeration and to drain quickly.since vermiculate is compressed and expands so holds more water than perlite so it doesn’t aerate the soil as well as perlite so that means less oxygen for the plants..

i wonder what size vermiculite is being used in this context

because, otherwise i agree with you to an extent.

it also depends how much water youd be using in the first place too i suppose

 

[Max]

If vermiculite was more porous you’d see it used with coco for drainage but seems it has a higher retention rate than perlite perlite is used.

maybe you could do a test

 

[Observer]

If vermiculite was more porous you’d see it used with coco for drainage but seems it has a higher retention rate than perlite perlite is used.

but yes it is stated too that it does have higher retention rate. but the water flows easier.

the size of the vermiculite particles. Larger vermiculite particles will have larger pore sizes and will be more aerated than smaller vermiculite particles.

i hear youre point, but i dont think you are reading all of it word for word.
and as mentioned, it probably also depends on how much water youd use at the start

think a sponge, vermiculite is more "sponge-like" than perlite, therefor it "breathes" better.

maybe you could do a test

provide me a way to test this,

full pot of perlite vs a full pot of vermiculite? and then...

 

[Observer]

If vermiculite was more porous you’d see it used with coco for drainage but seems it has a higher retention rate than perlite perlite is used.

maybe you could do a test

Is this convincing?

This is like 90%+ vermiculite. The other is what's left from the transpot.

Hence the sponge.

Plus the root mass is more dense

There's a point to where you don't want the water to just pass by like it would in perlite.

Plus more root mass in the vermiculite than coco or perlite, look at it as a Whole, a piece of the puzzle.

I can post 100% perlite ones too

 

[Observer]

....

Perlite can be like a crutch for incorrect watering practices.

And or if you want you're solution to flow right by/through.

 

[Observer]

And retention rate doesn't matter if you dont flood it.

 

[Max]

Nothing convincing there mate.I could of shown you root system twice the mass of what’s in that pic buddy but all my pics been wiped from THC farmer…yeah I don’t water correctly..my bad.

you do you dude .

 

[Observer]

Nothing convincing there mate.I could of shown you root system twice the mass of what’s in that pic buddy but all my pics been wiped from THC farmer…yeah I don’t water correctly..my bad.

you do you dude .

i never said you didnt water correctly lol

so theres nothing convincing of that water flowing right through the vermiculite? you just said it retains more water than perlite, to an extent you want to retain some, why would you want the solution to all just flow right by and out? seems waste of ions.

i would like to see

 

[Observer]

The source of the data is right from Google BARD - up-to-date real time data.

Unless im mistaken

 

[Max]

Vermiculite has a higher retention rate..perlite is medium retention rate.

 

[Max]

Vermiculite has a higher retention rate..perlite is medium retention rate.

no you never said that..you deleted what you said …something about people who use perlite dont water properly.was something similar to that..this is a aquas coco thread..admins clean up this shit…..

 

[Observer]

no you never said that..you deleted what you said …something about people who use perlite dont water properly.was something similar to that..this is a aquas coco thread..admins clean up this shit…..

Go back and read bro, I didn't delete anything.

And this just tells me even if I did proper testing you wouldn't believe the results if they were different than what you knew to be true.

Nice.

 

[Observer]

no you never said that..you deleted what you said …something about people who use perlite dont water properly.was something similar to that..this is a aquas coco thread..admins clean up this shit…..

this what you referring to mate ?

....

Perlite can be like a crutch for incorrect watering practices.

And or if you want you're solution to flow right by/through.

And retention rate doesn't matter if you dont flood it.

 

[Max]

My bad I see it.

 

[Observer]

Media	Pore size	Porosity	Water retention
Vermiculite	Large	High	Good
Perlite	Small	Low	Poor

if google and mass data is bullshit then i dont know what to say.

 

[Observer]

Vermiculite has a higher retention rate..perlite is medium retention rate.

• Vermiculite has a larger pore size than perlite. This means that there is more space for air to flow through vermiculite, which helps to improve drainage and aeration.
• Vermiculite is more porous than perlite. This means that it has more tiny air pockets, which also helps to improve drainage and aeration.
• Vermiculite retains water better than perlite. This means that it can help to keep your plants' roots moist without drowning them.

we never disagreed here lmao

 

[Observer]

Reading Comprehension

 

[Max]

I would never use vermiculite in with my coco simply because it holds more water for longer so less air will b in the media..that’s how I see it.if vermiculite has more aeration I think aqua would of mentioned using that instead in his % of perlite to use in 1-2-3-4 gal pots..

 

[Observer]

I would never use vermiculite in with my coco simply because it holds more water for longer so less air will b in the media..that’s how I see it.if vermiculite has more aeration I think aqua would of mentioned using that instead in his % of perlite to use in 1-2-3-4 gal pots..

again, you would give it less water at a time then, lol.

with more (leading -> to ) frequent waterings, and youd still get a more dense root system with Vermiculite.

and with less water , more frequent waterings youd get better performance hence more air in root zone.

 

[Observer]

So no high fertigating coco what this thread is about..

no

thats backwards

it would be even better.

 

[Observer]

with more frequent waterings, and youd still get a more dense root system with Vermiculite.

therefor a dense root system uptakes more water and nutrients.

therefore, MORE FREQUENT WATERINGS.

 

[Max]

i Deleted it.just realised.

 

[Observer]

could have been overlooked, infinitesimally obvious things.

 

[Max]

I might try it nxt grow using vermiculite instead and compare it to perlite

 

[Observer]

therefore, once root system is established it will act as a greater conduit/sponge than COCO.

 

[Observer]

i am already testing medias lol

 

[Max]

mines a 4 gal.aqua mentions 50% perlite to that container size so I will ask him how much vermiculite to use @Aqua Man

 

[Observer]

but hold on

 

[Observer]

""
The amount of root mass that a red solo cup of vermiculite could hold would depend on the size and density of the root mass. However, as a general rule of thumb, you can expect a red solo cup of vermiculite to hold about 0.5-1 grams of root mass.

Here is a table that summarizes the amount of root mass that a red solo cup of vermiculite could hold:

Size of root mass	Amount of root mass (grams)
Fine (hairy) root mass	0.5-0.75
Coarse root mass	0.75-1
Dense root mass	1-1.5

It is important to note that these are just estimates. The actual amount of root mass that a red solo cup of vermiculite could hold will vary depending on the specific circumstances.

Here are some additional factors that could affect the amount of root mass that a red solo cup of vermiculite could hold:

• The amount of vermiculite used: The more vermiculite you use, the more root mass the cup could hold.
• The size of the vermiculite particles: Larger vermiculite particles would have larger pore sizes and would be able to hold more root mass than smaller vermiculite particles.
• The moisture content of the vermiculite: Wet vermiculite would be able to hold more root mass than dry vermiculite.
• The temperature of the vermiculite: Warmer vermiculite would be able to hold more root mass than cooler vermiculite.
• The pH of the vermiculite: Acidic vermiculite would be able to hold more root mass than alkaline vermiculite.
• The presence of other materials in the vermiculite: The presence of other materials, such as peat moss or coco coir, could reduce the amount of root mass that the cup could hold.

It is important to keep these factors in mind when choosing a media for your plants. If you are unsure about how much root mass a red solo cup of vermiculite could hold, it is always best to err on the side of caution and use a larger cup.""