New Grow - 4 Site RDWC Maiden Voyage

[moe.red]

Sit down and relax have dinner and chill !

Yes dude tonight is Ted lasso with the wife.

What’s your prediction on my white bud tip? Better or worse than another bud on the same plant?

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Do you have fulvic acid? Or humic? If so add it at the prescribed dose.

I don’t have any of that, but I did get some Hygrozyme and added 1 mL per gallon.

 

[moe.red]

Looking forward to the report on the new growth tonight. I'm feeling a general sigh of relief coming from your direction.

 

[Moshmen]

Yes dude tonight is Ted lasso with the wife.

What’s your prediction on my white bud tip? Better or worse than another bud on the same plant?

I’ve actually done it not on purpose but if I remember right I thru it away! Lol didn’t even try it - I’m thinking all the good stuff will be burn off and it will be like smoking basil - but I really have no idea and look forward to your finding to see if I did the right thing ?

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Short video update trying to get out on the road. Thanks to all who have been helping!

I forgot to add that I’m leaving the pH a little bit low is it seems to be rising specially when I am water. Probably around 5.7. PPM at 480 so it dropped a little bit overnight temperature is 71° relative humidity is 61%.

View attachment IMG_2743.mov

 

[smoke]

All things considered, they look pretty good.

Fyi when i click on your video it goes to download and then i have to open it to play it

 

[moe.red]

All things considered, they look pretty good.

Fyi when i click on your video it goes to download and then i have to open it to play it

Me too. Gotta figure that out.

 

[moe.red]

All things considered, they look pretty good.

Fyi when i click on your video it goes to download and then i have to open it to play it

So I edited SLG's post and added the movie via the attach files button. Now it shows correctly with a player.

SL did you drag and drop that last movie? I assume from your iPhone?

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

SL did you drag and drop that last movie? I assume from your iPhone?

No drag and drop, attach files and yes, on my phone.

 

[moe.red]

No drag and drop, attach files and yes, on my phone.

I still have work to do on this forum. Some weird stuff like that happening for multiple people, and I cannot duplicate it here.

 

[MrsSweetLeaf]

Making this post for SLG. He's down with the stomach flu and feeling really lousy. This is after the res rebuild. The pH keeps dropping. This morning it was 5.5 and dropped to 5.4. This afternoon (probably 3pm) II added 3ml pH Up and it rose to 5.7, settled at 5.6 and is now back down to 5.5. I also added 0.5 gal water about the same time, but after adjusting the pH (none this morning). It's definitely slowed down on water consumption since last week's 1 gal+ per day. I was doing the minimum adjusting to keep it out of the danger zone, hoping SLG would be feeling better this afternoon to address it how he wanted. Here are some pics. Any input is appreciated! Thank You!

 

[moe.red]

Ok first thing you are not in any danger zone. Don’t sweat it. If you are up to it try to adjust it up higher like 6 - 6.2 and let it float down. If it takes a few days to get down to 5.6 I’d call it normal. If it goes fast we need to dig in.

The water you are adding is straight RO correct?

 

[MrsSweetLeaf]

Ok first thing you are not in any danger zone. Don’t sweat it. If you are up to it try to adjust it up higher like 6 - 6.2 and let it float down. If it takes a few days to get down to 5.6 I’d call it normal. If it goes fast we need to dig in.

The water you are adding is straight RO correct?

Yes, straight RO. I wonder by adding water after it set, I diluted it for the lower pH? I'll go adjust it up to what you said and watch it. I wasn't sure how high to take it. Thank you @Moe.Red

 

[steamroller]

Hoping SLG feels better soon.

 

[MrsSweetLeaf]

Hoping SLG feels better soon.

Me too. Thank you! I passed it along.

 

[smoke]

Yes, straight RO. I wonder by adding water after it set, I diluted it for the lower pH? I'll go adjust it up to what you said and watch it. I wasn't sure how high to take it. Thank you @Moe.Red

Your thinking things through good to see, between 5.5 ph and 6.2 ph are the parameters i use.

tell slg to take the day off you've got things under control. Also tell him its nice he didn't share, and get well soon

 

[MrsSweetLeaf]

Your thinking things through good to see, between 5.5 ph and 6.2 ph are the parameters i use.

tell slg to take the day off you've got things under control. Also tell him its nice he didn't share, and get well soon

He told me at 5.4 to adjust. I had it a few days before when it was out of town...I'm pretty sure I didn't share He's better today!

 

[moe.red]

He told me at 5.4 to adjust. I had it a few days before when it was out of town...I'm pretty sure I didn't share He's better today!

Hey Mrs

Howzie doin?

If you got time to post a pic of the new growth of each plant like a closeup of each center bud I’ll take a look and see if we need anything else.

 

[MrsSweetLeaf]

Hey Mrs

Howzie doin?

If you got time to post a pic of the new growth of each plant like a closeup of each center bud I’ll take a look and see if we need anything else.

Better, upright and eating some, but not 100%. Bugs always hit him harder anyway, so this is pretty good. I got it to 6.0 about 6pm, at about 8am it was 5.7-5.8. SLG took over and added water twice and raised pH once (he doesn't remember specifics). It's sitting at 5.8 Here are some pics and the troublemakers for tax

 

[smoke]

They do look like trouble makers.

Me personally, cats are why God created barns.

 

[MrsSweetLeaf]

They do look like trouble makers.

Me personally, cats are why God created barns.

 

[moe.red]

Look good enough till the boss is back on his feet.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Hey Guys and Mrs, Thanks for minding the fort while I've been down! I gotta make this post and then off to the dispo and turning things back over to @MrsSweetLeaf. If I need to come home tonight for any kind of emergency res change or anything, I can always do that.

Things of concern for me going into the weekend.

1. PH is on a steady drop and seems to have accelerated a bit downard, bouncing back and forth between 5.3 and 5.2 this morning. Yesterday when I added water, I think it had dropped to 5.6, which went back up with about 3 gallons of the RO water and a bit of PH Up. Today, lights are not on yet but looks to be down about that same about of water, I did adjust up to around the 5.7 range with ph up and will top off when lights come on before I leave.

2. PPM's have been pretty steady and as @Anthem275 had been trying to show me, there is a relation to ppms staying steady in a healthy system, still do not understand it 100% but I have been seeing this since the last unscheduled res change out, was at 500 if I remember right and at 450 now prior to topping off this morning.

The other thing about ppm is that when we reset the res we went 1:1:1:1 rarios and I figure it might be time to get that amended and/or reset? This maneuver definitely took me out of my comfort zone but whatever it did, seemed to work! I figure it's time to get some attention on that?

3. The only other thing that has be concerned is getting this light up and running. It is very possible that the issue is with me and so @MrsSweetLeaf, if she has time, is going to get on the phone with Scynce and see if she can get it figured out with their tech help. The light is sitting at 30% and I know I need to get that up soon.

 

[moe.red]

Heya buddy,

I think you are at the end of your buffer. Remember how you used to add tree truck throughout the whole grow? That is because both the plant uses the silica and the act of buffering PH will consume it. We need to get some silica going back in, which will make your PH go up without the need for PH Up and will help to hold it there.

Have you peaked at the roots lately?

The 1:1:1:1 ratio was in fact a reset to make sure you had everything the plant needed RIGHT THEN. Basically a recovery move. You are right and we need to start moving towards bloom nutes.

I recommend we look at adding both Silica and pink as top off. We can talk thru that live tonight after work if you want, get on the same page there. I know I have been running and gunning lately, but I have time tonight.

That GD light is making me mad! You have been sooo patient, I think I would have sent it back already. But I'm guessing you are stuck because you need a light. Let me know if I can help in any way.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Thanks Moe.

The roots look great.

Yes, I do remember using the silica but also know I was exceeding the K because of that so looking to learn how to walk that line and have backed off a bit on the agsil during flower. Yea, I see what you mean about the buffer being maxed out. Mrs reports the ph continues to drop pretty quickly so I was thinking of having her throw 10 ml of the AgSil 16 in prior to receiving your instructions this eve, maybe stabilize that somewhat and ease the effect if we need to add more. I am thinking it won't need much, that stuff works great.

 

[moe.red]

Yes, do it.

You need more bloom nutes right now anyhow. Let's get that PH stable and then decide how to approach the new nute regimen.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

@MrsSweetLeaf added 10 ml AgSil 16 this afternoon and added about a gallon of water, ph stabilized at 5.8.

Thought I posted this earlier but got interrupted.

 

[MrsSweetLeaf]

@MrsSweetLeaf added 10 ml AgSil 16 this afternoon and added about a gallon of water, ph stabilized at 5.8.

Thought I posted this earlier but got interrupted.

Just to clarify, I added the water first so I didn't dilute the AgSil.
Three hours later the ph was back down to 5.5 . I added 16 ml AgSil to get it to stabilize at 6.0. My phone died, so this is news to @SweetLeafGrow until it recharges...sorry baby!

I need to leave earlier than usual in the morning for a meeting and if possible will need to be gone most of the day. If you have any suggestions @Moe.Red what else I can do, I'm all ears. Thank you!!

 

[moe.red]

Hopefully that will be enoght to keep the ph up when you get home.

 

[MrsSweetLeaf]

Hopefully that will be enoght to keep the ph up when you get home.

This morning at 630 it was 5.7 and 5.6 at 830. I added a half gallon of water and 12 ml AgSil and got it to a steady 6.0. That should last until I get home

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Got home this morning and seeing a fairly rapid drop in the pH, over the course of the day down to 5.5 and amending with the AgSil 16 to get around 6.0. I am thinking the buffer is still being established, nothing super crazy that's for sure but a steady downward trend.

I want to amend that res before I go to work in a couple of hours but I was wondering if I need to reset the res again? I can do that if I have to but will have to wait until tomorrow.

If I get a chance, was going to run some math and see if I can figure out how much Brown and Pink to amend to be closer to a good bloom ratio going forward. I'd like to get this done tonight and MrsSweetLeaf can help also if I can get a plan.

Just got a call, might have to go in early, doht!

 

[moe.red]

Add silica and pink. Keep your total ppm less than 600 preferably 500 or less for now.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Thanks Bro, gonna do that before I head out.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Added 80 ml Pink and about 30ml AgSil 16.

 

[moe.red]

When you log in tomorrow start with a pic if the lights are on. Everything looks right.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Taking a break from working on the forum, getting bug eyed

Thanks Moe, seems the amendment went pretty well from what I can tell. PH has been very steady since yesterday, ppm's dropped a bit overnight and they did drink 2 gallons overnight. Not sure how to get that ppm to stay steady with water consumption, trying to understand that concept that @Anthem275 has introduced me to still.

Here are some current photos.

 

[moe.red]

You look to be back on track. I'd watch it closely every day and post a pic of something comes up.

Before you amend that res again, let's talk it thru. We need to get some Micro in there too. That is where your N will come from going forward.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Before you amend that res again, let's talk it thru. We need to get some Micro in there too. That is where your N will come from going forward.

Sounds good, do you think that micro needs to go in soon? I thought I was seeing a slight bit of light green on the new growth that could be normal or not.

 

[moe.red]

Yes it does look pale overall to me. Very tall too. Might be the strain on some of how it looks. I've never grown Grape Gas, that's what this is right? I also read that you need to continue silica for now. This lanky plant is eating it along with your buffer. Quick gut check on silica is that in full veg you should be able to snap off a fan leaf where the petiole meets the stalk cleanly with a downward jerk. To support a plant this tall you will need a proper stalk.

I'd like a do-over on this grow with a working light. We should have been able to control that morphology better than we did.

Micro also has calcium (quite a bit) and iron. My opinion is that you could benefit from all of these. We just can't overdo it.

There is potash (potassium) in there too.

My gut is telling me that you should add 50ml now. But you are there, not me. I have imperfect data to advise you with, so really it comes down to gut instinct and experience.

Don't forget to always add this last after PH adjustments are done and solid. Look at that last statement on the label. Slight changes in PH will cause the metals to fall out of suspension. Big changes all at once (like dumping it into your 9.0 PH silica start) will render most of this product useless.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

My gut is telling me that you should add 50ml now. But you are there, not me. I have imperfect data to advise you with, so really it comes down to gut instinct and experience.

My gut is telling me that it needs this amendment but my experience is lacking, but gaining it as we speak. Going with my gut and yours too, and your experience.

Gonna do as you said and start with 40 ml of the Micro (brown) and see where the ppms land, perhaps add a bit more if needed. The pH has been solid all night last and all day today so should be no problem adding the Micro.

I think I remember IG saying the Grape Gas is a stretcher but yea, in bad need of getting this light figured out. Will have some time this week to get with their support. They are tall and I am almost out of headroom, hoping they are done with the stretch, which they should be very soon.

Will try snapping a fan leaf and see how that goes.

I'd like a do-over on this grow with a working light. We should have been able to control that morphology better than we did.

Yea, it is what it is and I'm sure there are going to be downsides to this light issue for this grow. Facts are I have been buried in health issues, work, and this forum, which are important things to me! My grows are also important but I have not feared anything catastrophic with this grow except when I burnt them with the light, which was fairly quickly figured out. When I have more things to do than time to do them I have to prioritize and that light and app has been low on that list, but moving up soon! I have a work around that is working for now but that time is short.