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[Rootsruler]

My buddies growing an auto plant. He's having issues. Miracle Gro soil in a 3 gallon pot with an SF1000 for light. 76°/55%

 

[Terrapin]

I know they aren’t crazy about a lot of food. I assume my soil took care of that.
What did you plant in?
I have seen that the time from start to finish is all over the place.

It's 8 weeks old. I planted it in 70% miracle grow and 30% coco coir.

 

[CannaGranny]

Not keeping a constant ph is more than likely where your problems began.
The roots are like doors to the plant. Once the ph is off, too acidic etc. the plant will slam those doors shut in an effort to protect itself. When this happens, you lose the benefit of the cal mag nitrogen and anything else your plant needs to grow and thrive. This results in what is called a lock out.
When this happens the way to correct it, is to flush your plant. Soil meters are helpful but not reliable.
Everyone has their own way of flushing as for me, it needs at least a five times the size of your pot of water ph’ed to below 6.5 poured through your soil, basically to rinse it. Followed by a feeding.
Tap water? City water? Well water?
There is a specific method using city water, to allow the chlorine to gas off.

 

[CannaGranny]

Thank you. I have been interested in using epsom salts.

Epsom salts are just pure magnesium. I use it

 

[CannaGranny]

It's 8 weeks old. I planted it in 70% miracle grow and 30% coco coir.

You cannot control your ratios using miracle grow. It can easily become a problem.

 

[OLDCRO]

It's 8 weeks old. I planted it in 70% miracle grow and 30% coco coir.

Next try with autos start with promix add extra perlite and worm castings and dont feed till you get two to three set of leaves . Have to agree with others cut off those dead leaves wont hurt plant as the leaves are dead. When watering PH should be 6.2-6.3 every watering.

 

[OLDCRO]

You cannot control your ratios using miracle grow. It can easily become a problem.

Especially mixing it with coco coir.

 

[Terrapin]

Not keeping a constant ph is more than likely where your problems began.
The roots are like doors to the plant. Once the ph is off, too acidic etc. the plant will slam those doors shut in an effort to protect itself. When this happens, you lose the benefit of the cal mag nitrogen and anything else your plant needs to grow and thrive. This results in what is called a lock out.
When this happens the way to correct it, is to flush your plant. Soil meters are helpful but not reliable.
Everyone has their own way of flushing as for me, it needs at least a five times the size of your pot of water ph’ed to below 6.5 Poured through your soul, basically to rinse it. Followed by a feeding.
Tap water? City water? Well water?
There is a specific method using city water, to allow the chlorine to gas off.

Thank you! It is city water.

Next try with autos start with promix add extra perlite and worm castings and dont feed till you get two to three set of leaves . Have to agree with others cut off those dead leaves wont hurt plant as the leaves are dead. When watering PH should be 6.2-6.3 every watering.

I got a ph water tester recently. I still need to learn how to use it. I'll have it ready for next watering.

Is there any benefit to cutting off the leaves for the plant in terms of energy to the buds? Or is it more of a hygienic thing?

 

[OLDCRO]

Thank you! It is city water.


I got a ph water tester recently. I still need to learn how to use it. I'll have it ready for next watering.

Is there any benefit to cutting off the leaves for the plant in terms of energy to the buds? Or is it more of a hygienic thing?

Old saying why saddle a dead horse !!!!

 

[OLDCRO]

Thank you! It is city water.


I got a ph water tester recently. I still need to learn how to use it. I'll have it ready for next watering.

Is there any benefit to cutting off the leaves for the plant in terms of energy to the buds? Or is it more of a hygienic thing?

If your using city water fill watering jug leave for 24 hours to off gas chlorine and get to room temp.

 

[GoodShit97]

Next try with autos start with promix add extra perlite and worm castings and dont feed till you get two to three set of leaves . Have to agree with others cut off those dead leaves wont hurt plant as the leaves are dead. When watering PH should be 6.2-6.3 every watering.

I agree with you.
I started running ProMix BX+ with added perlite and my grows went from good to fekkin great. ProMix is some really good stuff and theres no need to pH anything in promix. It does it all itself, its pretty much fool proof. I love the stuff ill never use anything else unless i go hydro.

 

[Terrapin]

Old saying why saddle a dead horse !!!!

I guess the implication is that it's too late and I just have to ride it out?

 

[CannaGranny]

Thank you! It is city water.


I got a ph water tester recently. I still need to learn how to use it. I'll have it ready for next watering.

Is there any benefit to cutting off the leaves for the plant in terms of energy to the buds? Or is it more of a hygienic thing?

With city water, you need to pull that up and let it sit at least 24 hours ahead of time in order to “gas off” the chlorine.
Learn to use that ph pen. Callibrate your pen prior to using it the first time. I recalibrate mine monthly.
There is great benefit in removing damaged and spent leaves. They will not recover and at not at a top production of anything good. You should always keep your leaves cut off that are touching the soil.
Next time, let’s get you started with a proper soil. If you really want to do this and be successful these are the beginning keys.

 

[CannaGranny]

I agree with you.
I started running ProMix BX+ with added perlite and my grows went from good to fekkin great. ProMix is some really good stuff and theres no need to pH anything in promix. It does it all itself, its pretty much fool proof. I love the stuff ill never use anything else unless i go hydro.

Never tell a new grower that there is no need to ph. Every single cities water is different, even well waters. That will come back to bite ya right in the rear!

 

[CannaGranny]

I guess the implication is that it's too late and I just have to ride it out?

Flush it, that will help somewhat. But truth is too far in, limited bloom period..so yeah. We gonna ride this one out. The fact that you have buds is amazing. Think about how much better your next grow will be!

 

[OLDCRO]

I guess the implication is that it's too late and I just have to ride it out?

That was directed at the dead leaves your plant will finish if you look after it you may not get the full potential out of it but it will give you some buds.

 

[Terrapin]

With city water, you need to pull that up and let it sit at least 24 hours ahead of time in order to “gas off” the chlorine.
Learn to use that ph pen. Callibrate your pen prior to using it the first time. I recalibrate mine monthly.
There is great benefit in removing damaged and spent leaves. They will not recover and at not at a top production of anything good. You should always keep your leaves cut off that are touching the soil.
Next time, let’s get you started with a proper soil. If you really want to do this and be successful these are the beginning keys.

Okay, I'll cut them off . . . Thanks to you and the others for helping me understand this.

I've actually got another seed started (same variety) should be up today. I used a grow bag and Myko and Organics Lush on this one (2nd attempt).

 

[GoodShit97]

Never tell a new grower that there is no need to ph. Every single cities water is different, even well waters. That will come back to bite ya right in the rear!

True true.

So here, i fix i fix.


In my experience, with my chlorinated well water thats 7.2-7.6 ph, ive never had to change the ph of my water or let it sit out using promix.

 

[CannaGranny]

True true.

So here, i fix i fix.


In my experience, with my chlorinated well water thats 7.2-7.6 ph, ive never had to change the ph of my water or let it sit out using promix.

Most of the time soil is forgiving and capable, but you know..there’s always that one bug in a fresh salad. A mistake I have made in the past.

 

[OLDCRO]

Okay, I'll cut them off . . . Thanks to you and the others for helping me understand this.

I've actually got another seed started (same variety) should be up today. I used a grow bag and Myko and Organics Lush on this one (2nd attempt).

I have never used organic lush but if this soil is pre charged with nutrients you will have to hold back on nutrients till whats in soil is used up.

 

[GoodShit97]

Most of the time soil is forgiving and capable, but you know..there’s always that one bug in a fresh salad. A mistake I have made in the past.

Yeah i always forget water is never the same ph for everyone.
I may have 7.2 ph water, but my neighbor on a different well might have 9ph water. And that definitely makes a difference.

Thanks for puttin me back in my place

 

[CannaGranny]

@Terrapin
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[CannaGranny]

Yeah i always forget water is never the same ph for everyone.
I may have 7.2 ph water, but my neighbor on a different well might have 9ph water. And that definitely makes a difference.

Thanks for puttin me back in my place

Awwww you know I loves ya!

 

[Terrapin]

For what it's worth, here's how the buds look look now at 8 weeks . . .

 

[smoke]

Okay, I'll cut them off . . . Thanks to you and the others for helping me understand this

Removing the spent leaves will not only make your plant look better but you'll feel better looking at your plant

 

[steamroller]

For what it's worth, here's how the buds look look now at 8 weeks View attachment 41952. . .

You have plenty of what we call sugar leaves to collect light for your buds.
And they look good, so rest assured you are doing the right thing.

 

[CannaGranny]

Awwww you know I loves ya!

Stow it @steamroller .. I’m NOT soft!!!

 

[steamroller]

Stow it @steamroller .. I’m NOT soft!!!

 

[OLDCRO]

Okay, I'll cut them off . . . Thanks to you and the others for helping me understand this.

I've actually got another seed started (same variety) should be up today. I used a grow bag and Myko and Organics Lush on this one (2nd attempt).

Soon as the seed pops surface take that plastic cover off.

 

[Terrapin]

You have plenty of what we call sugar leaves to collect light for your buds.
And they look good, so rest assured you are doing the right thing.

As you said, she does look better and I do feel so much better looking at her.

Thanks man!

 

[OLDCRO]

As you said, she does look better and I do feel so much better looking at her.

Thanks man! View attachment 41965

Looks a lot better to the eye she is not in as rough shape as she looked. Do you have drainage holes in that pot ? Feed her every watering but cut back on the nutes. Whats your lighting schedule ?

 

[Terrapin]

Looks a lot better to the eye she is not in as rough shape as she looked. Do you have drainage holes in that pot ? Feed her every watering but cut back on the nutes. Whats your lighting schedule ?

Yes to drainage holes. Lighting is 20-4.

Are you saying give her what I have been but at a lower strength?

 

[OLDCRO]

Yes to drainage holes. Lighting is 20-4.

Are you saying give her what I have been but at a lower strength?

Run your lighting 18 on 6 off give plants sleeping time. Are you running led lighting and how far from plant. Whats the temp and humidity level in grow area see top leaves canoeing a bit can be caused by over watering, temp and humidity. Add some epson salts in next nute batch hold off on the calmag your on city water should be calcium in it. Make sure soil is dried back before watering again go by weight or shove your finger in soil to check for moisture level. Oh yes if you use epsom salt get the plain one no scented epsom salt.

 

[OLDCRO]

Yes to drainage holes. Lighting is 20-4.

Are you saying give her what I have been but at a lower strength?

Feed every watering but cut back on nutrients. If nute bottle says 10 mil per gallon mixing rate you are going to use 3 mil the plant will tell you if wants more by fading a little

 

[Terrapin]

Run your lighting 18 on 6 off give plants sleeping time. Are you running led lighting and how far from plant. Whats the temp and humidity level in grow area see top leaves canoeing a bit can be caused by over watering, temp and humidity. Add some epson salts in next nute batch hold off on the calmag your on city water should be calcium in it. Make sure soil is dried back before watering again go by weight or shove your finger in soil to check for moisture level. Oh yes if you use epsom salt get the plain one no scented epsom salt.

Yes led, spider farmer 1000D at 12" -- 961 PPFD. Temp avg. 74 during day, 68-70 at night. Avg rh 50%.

It definitely had canoeing along the way.

I've realized after the fact I've created another issue for myself by growing a seedling next to a flowering plant. I think I can give them both proper light separately with my second light. But, I think I'm going to have to split the difference on humidity.

The seedling just popped up and I took the plastic lid off.

 

[steamroller]

I've realized after the fact I've created another issue for myself by growing a seedling next to a flowering plant. I think I can give them both proper light separately with my second light. But, I think I'm going to have to split the difference on humidity.

For most of my grows middle of the road is what I shoot for.

 

[Terrapin]

For most of my grows middle of the road is what I shoot for.

Good to know!

 

[OLDCRO]

I would raise the light to 18 inches. over flowering plant. 50 percent humidity is good for both plant and seedling. Place your seedling away from direct light maybe in the corner that it gets light but not high exposure and seedling can run the 18/6 also

 

[Terrapin]

I would raise the light to 18 inches. over flowering plant. 50 percent humidity is good for both plant and seedling. Place your seedling away from direct light maybe in the corner that it gets light but not high exposure and seedling can run the 18/6 also

It sounds like I've been giving too many hours of light and too much intensity.

Do you think it would be okay to change the light schedule now while it's flowering even though it's been used to 20-4 for so long?

 

[OLDCRO]

Yes change it to 18/6 will help with recovery and wont hurt plant also raise your light to 18-20 inches as plant matures and better health can always lower it back down if needed.

 

[Terrapin]

Yes change it to 18/6 will help with recovery and wont hurt plant also raise your light to 18-20 inches as plant matures and better health can always lower it back down if needed.

Thank you