Grump's Guzzlers Grow 🌱

[GrumpAzz]

@BlueCollarBob

 

[BlueCollarBob]

Yep, you don’t get much higher than that in the tent. You have a lot going on in that corner.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Yep, you don’t get much higher than that in the tent. You have a lot going on in that corner.

Haha yeah. It's a jerry-rigged mess of zipties and gardening wire but it works and let's me use every bit of floor space to get around them for trimming and inspections.

I've got three fans in total to get the air mixed well enough before it's exhausted. Exhaust is set on the lowest setting for now. It'll have to be bumped up a bit to combat humidity eventually.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Another day another update..

Things are in high gear at this point. They're looking great and growing fast so I dropped the light a bit closer. I lowered it 18" and it sits about 50" over the canopy. I will likely drop the humidity to 55% today as well. All in all I'm pleased so far.

Still got a rock solid res holding 5.9 at 250ppm. Water uptake has slowly increased to nearly 2 gallons per day in total.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Big day for the ladies. Topped 'em all at the 5th node. They were starting the 8th or 9th node. It was hard to tell. Then I stripped 'em most of the way below that, leaving the 5 bladed fans and one set with 3 blades. I would've liked to do it a little closer to lights off, but I took advantage of the time I had.

Some before and afters...

 

[Observer]

Big day for the ladies. Topped 'em all at the 5th node. They were starting the 8th or 9th node. It was hard to tell. Then I stripped 'em most of the way below that, leaving the 5 bladed fans and one set with 3 blades. I would've liked to do it a little closer to lights off, but I took advantage of the time I had.

Some before and afters...View attachment 102623View attachment 102624View attachment 102625View attachment 102626

Nice man

Solid growth rate and some solid white roots

 

[GrumpAzz]

@moe.red , @Aqua Man

I topped two days ago.. can I top again?

I tagged you guys cuz i know they recover quicker in hydro. I damn near topped 'em in half if that makes a difference.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Too slow Moe.. I gave em the snip.

Sprouted on 4-21 and into the tent under the SolarSystem getting their feet wet two weeks ago.

They've exploded in those two weeks and got topped two days ago. Topped the tops again tonight at the first node and folded them over. This leaves me four main colas per plant.

We've got alternating nodes so I'm gonna give them a res change to transition into Bloom nutes when I feel like they've recovered from this second topping. Then it's on. 12on 12off just like they're daddy.

Time to go to work!
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[moe.red]

Sorry man I’m slow like @smoke these days lol.

Plants look very healthy.

A bit too fuzzy to say for sure but this sure looks like how beneficial fungi forms



Here are some fully formed Mycorrhizae nodules


Be interesting to watch yours grow and see what they look like at harvest.

 

[smoke]

Sorry man I’m slow like @smoke these days lol.

Plants look very healthy.

A bit too fuzzy to say for sure but this sure looks like how beneficial fungi forms

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Here are some fully formed Mycorrhizae nodules

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Be interesting to watch yours grow and see what they look like at harvest.

Sorry man I’m slow like @smoke these days lol.

My excuse is i suffer from the pfizer effect.

 

[moe.red]

My excuse is i suffer from the pfizer effect.

These days the saying needs to change to

That which does not kill you… probably still will give it time.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Sorry man I’m slow like @smoke these days lol.

No worries. I didn’t give you much time to answer.

I'm in a bit of a hurry to switch to flower in hopes to avoid some potential overcrowding, so they got topped again. I'm sure they'll be fine. Most of my cuts from the other day looked healed over just fine.

Plants look very healthy.

Thanks a lot, big guy. I learned from the best

A bit too fuzzy to say for sure but this sure looks like how beneficial fungi forms

Heck Yeah! I'll try to remember to snap a clear picture of the roots sometime today.

 

[GrumpAzz]

@moe.red


This one was in the video.. got a spot of gunk in there.

 

[moe.red]

Healthy. Give her the gas. Roots and water are not limiting growth

 

[GrumpAzz]

Healthy. Give her the gas. Roots and water are not limiting growth

Will do!

They seem to have recovered well already so, as soon as I get the time, they'll get a res change with transition nutes. I'll probably aim for ~500ppm which is double what they're getting now.

I've been really happy with these plants. Vigorous growth. Healthy color and roots.

Question about my Orca.. I've never dipped anything into the bottle, only pouring from it into a small beaker, and it REAKS. Dead animal smellin' ass REAKS. Is that a bad thing? I've been using it regardless...

 

[moe.red]

Will do!

They seem to have recovered well already so, as soon as I get the time, they'll get a res change with transition nutes. I'll probably aim for ~500ppm which is double what they're getting now.

I've been really happy with these plants. Vigorous growth. Healthy color and roots.

Question about my Orca.. I've never dipped anything into the bottle, only pouring from it into a small beaker, and it REAKS. Dead animal smellin' ass REAKS. Is that a bad thing? I've been using it regardless...

No should not smell. These are spores of bacteria, not live bacteria. Spores are not active



They start with live / active vegetative cells and stress them to get them to develop the spore coat and put them in hibernation.

Bacterial spores are specialized, highly resistant cells formed by certain bacteria to survive harsh environmental conditions. They are metabolically inactive and can withstand extreme temperatures, radiation, and chemicals, according to Harvard Medical School. When conditions improve, they can germinate back into active, growing bacteria.

metabolically inactive means that they do not produce smells.

That means that something else (anaerobic bacteria) has gotten into the bottle and is using your spores as a smorgasbord. Throw that bottle out with extreme prejudice!

Good news is whatever is attacking your spores has no impact on your roots. Biology is so friggin specialized. Either your plants or rhizosphere can repel the foreign invaders or they simply cannot eat roots. But that bottle is toast fo sho. Friggin waste man. But your colony is already established so adding more from that bottle is like putting on a 3rd or 4th rubber. Only this rubber got used by someone with the clap.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Friggin waste man. But your colony is already established so adding more from that bottle is like putting on a 3rd or 4th rubber. Only this rubber got used by someone with the clap.

Well shit

It's probably about time.. I bought this bottle in September of '23 I see. I won't buy such a big bottle this time.

 

[moe.red]

Well shit

It's probably about time.. I bought this bottle in September of '23 I see. I won't buy such a big bottle this time.

12 months on the shelf sealed, 6 months once open. That's best you are gonna get from a bottle without sterile lab conditions.

It's always best to maintain the colony from grow to grow rather than start over from the bottle, if you can. You have a healthy grow now, if possible plan on keeping the res alive from harvest to planting and this same colony will grow endlessly like sourdough starter.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Everybody seems to have bounced back just fine. I'll train all the colas outwards as they stretch.

..so I went ahead with the res change. Bloom nutes without the PK booster and a little heavier on the CalMag. I assume the pH will drop a tit as it circulates, but I'll keep an eye on it.

I'll slowly transition the light into the flower spectrum while also doing a slow flip to 12-12. I'll cut an hour out of the day until they're on at 4:30am and off at 4:30pm. This time schedule will play well with my work schedule allowing me to see them once a day on dayshifts and twice a day on nights.

Gonna leave the temp where it's at but I dropped the humidity down to 50%.


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These things are taking off and I'm buckled in. LET'S GOOOO

 

[Observer]

Everybody seems to have bounced back just fine. I'll train the all the colas outwards as they stretch.
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..so I went ahead with the res change. Bloom nutes without the PK booster and a little heavier on the CalMag. I assume the pH will drop a tit as it circulates, but I'll keep an eye on it.
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I'll slowly transition the light into the flower spectrum while also doing a slow flip to 12-12. I'll cut an hour out of the day until they're on at 4:30am and off at 4:30pm. This time schedule will play well with my work schedule allowing me to see them once a day on dayshifts and twice a day on nights.
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Gonna leave the temp where it's at but I dropped the humidity down to 50%.
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These things are taking off and I'm buckled in. LET'S GOOOO

Awesome.

 

[moe.red]

puberty. ha.

Too early for hair under the armpits on these girls.

perfect clean setup you got there. This is gonna make some serious weed I think. You will never pass another drug test again.

 

[Bandit420]

Everybody seems to have bounced back just fine. I'll train all the colas outwards as they stretch.
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..so I went ahead with the res change. Bloom nutes without the PK booster and a little heavier on the CalMag. I assume the pH will drop a tit as it circulates, but I'll keep an eye on it.
View attachment 102995
I'll slowly transition the light into the flower spectrum while also doing a slow flip to 12-12. I'll cut an hour out of the day until they're on at 4:30am and off at 4:30pm. This time schedule will play well with my work schedule allowing me to see them once a day on dayshifts and twice a day on nights.
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Gonna leave the temp where it's at but I dropped the humidity down to 50%.
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These things are taking off and I'm buckled in. LET'S GOOOO

That's the best name for a program I've ever seen man. Send that to CLW!!!

 

[GrumpAzz]

Moving fast. Everyone got their 4 colas tied down except for the runt. Great color and growth.


Chugging along with the flip. They're getting more red than blue as of today and they'll end up with 15 hours of light. Slow flip still in progress.


This round has been an extremely satisfying grow. Super smooth and super fast. Nuggets are on the way.

I was reading up on some of the free stuff Athena sent me. I decided to use their stack product. They say it can be used as a "root drench" in your transition nutes, so I threw it in at about 1.75ml/gal. It's a kelp extract that's expensive as hell but I only used 75ml. $100/liter... doubt that I'll ever be buying this stuff.


New little helper isn’t too sure about the jiggly plants...

 

[doublej]

Moving fast. Everyone got their 4 colas tied down except for the runt. Great color and growth.
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Chugging along with the flip. They're getting more red than blue as of today and they'll end up with 15 hours of light. Slow flip still in progress.
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This round has been an extremely satisfying grow. Super smooth and super fast. Nuggets are on the way.

I was reading up on some of the free stuff Athena sent me. I decided to use their stack product. They say it can be used as a "root drench" in your transition nutes, so I threw it in at about 1.75ml/gal. It's a kelp extract that's expensive as hell but I only used 75ml. $100/liter... doubt that I'll ever be buying this stuff.
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New little helper isn’t too sure about the jiggly plants...
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That's still cleaner than what I've got going on....

 

[BlueCollarBob]

Moving fast. Everyone got their 4 colas tied down except for the runt. Great color and growth.
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Chugging along with the flip. They're getting more red than blue as of today and they'll end up with 15 hours of light. Slow flip still in progress.
View attachment 103224

This round has been an extremely satisfying grow. Super smooth and super fast. Nuggets are on the way.

I was reading up on some of the free stuff Athena sent me. I decided to use their stack product. They say it can be used as a "root drench" in your transition nutes, so I threw it in at about 1.75ml/gal. It's a kelp extract that's expensive as hell but I only used 75ml. $100/liter... doubt that I'll ever be buying this stuff.
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New little helper isn’t too sure about the jiggly plants...
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Super clean job with the training. Looks like art

 

[GrumpAzz]

I tied the runt down. Great looking plant if it wasn't following in the her sisters' footsteps.


Still great color and growth on everyone. These Guzzlers beans love the Athena cocktail they've been forced fed with the power of RDWC.



This is likely the last time they'll get tied down. I'll let them spread a little, but the rest of the growth will be focused vertically.

Roots are still beautiful. Really packing on the upper side sprouts. That Stack might've stained 'em a bit but they're looking healthy and great, otherwise.


This is the last day before the flip is official. Spectrum has reached CLW's recommended preflower ratios and will stay here until I see some white hairs. Then just a slight reduction in blue to the flower spectrum. I'll take that extra hour out of the schedule tonight.


Once again.. Athena's holding a ROCK SOLID res. I hate that I got these nutes for free because I'm sold on the res balancing. At least I don't need to replace every bottle...

Plants are growing well with the ppm they're getting so I won't change the res until stretch is over with. Then I'll hit 'em with 6-700. For now, this is what they get.


Thanks for stopping in. Next update will be after a little bit of stretch. Won't be doing any training aside from maybe sliding the stringers out a bit. Won't trim till stretch is over either, so the next week or so won't have any news. Til then &

 

[moe.red]

Roots are still beautiful. Really packing on the upper side sprouts. That Stack might've stained 'em a bit but they're looking healthy and great, otherwise.

Can’t be certain without a microscope but that color looks perfect to me with a happy colony growing on them.

Natural color of bacillus



They become purple under gram staining. Those are the typical photos you see but they don’t look like that in the wild.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Can’t be certain without a microscope but that color looks perfect to me with a happy colony growing on them.

So my rotten Orca still seems to be working?

I use these...

https://www.amazon.com/Reefing-Art-Ceramic-Aquarium-Canister/dp/B07V1D6LXW

...by inoculating them with some RO/Orca for a week or so while my seedlings sprout.

To keep my colonies alive, do I just pull these stones after harvest and leave them in some res water? How long can they stay like that? Should you bubble it?

 

[moe.red]

So my rotten Orca still seems to be working?

I use these...

https://www.amazon.com/Reefing-Art-Ceramic-Aquarium-Canister/dp/B07V1D6LXW

...by inoculating them with some RO/Orca for a week or so while my seedlings sprout.

To keep my colonies alive, do I just pull these stones after harvest and leave them in some res water? How long can they stay like that? Should you bubble it?

What we can say is plants are healthy. Not sure what inoculated your res but it seems to be happy about it. Carry on.

I used the same stones. They work great. A little hot melt glue and you can build structures if you want. I flow across these in the res then take the whole structure to a new grow. Instant colony day 1.

To keep the colony alive you need a source of sugar. In the res your plants are it. If you remove the plants for any lengthy time you will need to feed it. Not a lot for sure. Colony collapse happens when you overfeed. The doubling time on these is so fast as long as they have excess food they will reproduce. Once the colony gets too big they will eat all the sugar fast. Then when it’s gone they starve. All at once. No bueno.

Naturevibe Botanicals Dextrose,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DG3XHMC?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Dextrose works good easy to mix and add small amounts.

If you want to target feed bacillus this is what I use

https://a.co/d/9yMBPz2

Smells a bit like wort if you ever brewed beer.

There are others like nitrobacter that are part of the nitrogen cycle. A dab of ammonia or a rotting food source will keep the whole chain of helpers alive.

If you want to go to this level lmk and I’ll walk you thru it.