Grump's Guzzlers Grow 🌱

[moe.red]

Amazon.com

What’s in it? No info on the listing. Hmmm

 

[steamroller]

* 3 Composition/information on ingredients · Chemical characterization: Mixtures Fish Emulsion, Liquid Humate, Liquid Sea Kelp, Unsulfured Blackstrap Molasses · Description: Mixture of the substances listed below with nonhazardous additions.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0533/3847/2647/files/Myco_Chum-Safety_Data_Sheet.pdf?v=1736799153

 

[moe.red]

* 3 Composition/information on ingredients · Chemical characterization: Mixtures Fish Emulsion, Liquid Humate, Liquid Sea Kelp, Unsulfured Blackstrap Molasses · Description: Mixture of the substances listed below with nonhazardous additions.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0533/3847/2647/files/Myco_Chum-Safety_Data_Sheet.pdf?v=1736799153

Based on this not a good fit for this specific use. It’s only feeding the bacteria we don’t need and not feeding bacillus

 

[Stoneyluv]

What’s in it? No info on the listing. Hmmm

* 3 Composition/information on ingredients · Chemical characterization: Mixtures Fish Emulsion, Liquid Humate, Liquid Sea Kelp, Unsulfured Blackstrap Molasses · Description: Mixture of the substances listed below with nonhazardous additions.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0533/3847/2647/files/Myco_Chum-Safety_Data_Sheet.pdf?v=1736799153

Based on this not a good fit for this specific use. It’s only feeding the bacteria we don’t need and not feeding bacillus

that stuff popped up on my radar a couple months ago and i forgot it till now. its made by the same company as orca and great white. been meaning to ask if anybody here had used it..

i'm kinda surprised more places aren't selling a product aimed at this, it seems like it would be good to use.

 

[moe.red]

that stuff popped up on my radar a couple months ago and i forgot it till now. its made by the same company as orca and great white. been meaning to ask if anybody here had used it..

i'm kinda surprised more places aren't selling a product aimed at this, it seems like it would be good to use.

Bacteria are specialized. They evolved to take advantage of certain environments and food sources. If they all lived in and ate the same stuff we would just have one massive colony world wide. Whatever could compete the best.

The bottle you mentioned has the stuff needed to attract compost kinda bacteria. They take organics and break them down. Sometimes doing that results in nutrients available for plants to take up in the right ionic form.

In hydro running ionic salts like gh there is no need for those bacteria. Keep them in the organic soil grows. Breakdown of organic material only hurts us in hydro. Ph swings for example.

There is nothing wrong with the product it is just being misused if running chelated salt nutes in hydro.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Bacteria are specialized. They evolved to take advantage of certain environments and food sources. If they all lived in and ate the same stuff we would just have one massive colony world wide. Whatever could compete the best.

The bottle you mentioned has the stuff needed to attract compost kinda bacteria. They take organics and break them down. Sometimes doing that results in nutrients available for plants to take up in the right ionic form.

In hydro running ionic salts like gh there is no need for those bacteria. Keep them in the organic soil grows. Breakdown of organic material only hurts us in hydro. Ph swings for example.

There is nothing wrong with the product it is just being misused if running chelated salt nutes in hydro.

why do that food all come in separate bottles? it's not the bacteria right? like we have to establish the correct bacteria and then use the agar to feed it?, am i understanding that correct?

seems pricy but if done properly you would never have to buy a bennie ever again... kinda like having a good sourdough starter for bread.

 

[moe.red]

why do that food all come in separate bottles? it's not the bacteria right? like we have to establish the correct bacteria and then use the agar to feed it?, am i understanding that correct?

seems pricy but if done properly you would never have to buy a bennie ever again... kinda like having a good sourdough starter for bread.

You only need to or should feed the colony if you are trying to keep the colony with no plants.

It is not common practice to do it this way. You want the plants to grow the right size colony and maintain it. That’s where the symbiosis comes from.

Hopefully I’m making sense

 

[GrumpAzz]

Little bedtime hooter while I check on the plants

It's a gahdamn beautiful buncha bushes, eh?

 

[GrumpAzz]

The runt is no longer the runt. It's stretching like a muhfucker.

This is the 6th day after the slow flip, 10 since the transition began. Everything's shaping up nicely. They're each drinking a half gallon per day and have sucked 15 gallons from the top-off since the resevoir change on the 25th. 580 up top and 460 below so I assume they're eating as well. Rock solid 6.3 ph.

In the next couple days, when the the top-off is nearly empty, I'll be doing another res change with the same transition mix, minus the STACK. That stuff left a helluva film on everything. I'll mix 40-50 gallons up top and just leave the bottom as is. They seem to be happy with it so I'm just gonna give 'em what they like until I see some cotton. That's when I'll throw in the extra dose of PK.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Well I fucked up a batch of nutes by using Grow instead of Bloom. I'm gonna blame my work schedule and not the 2 doobs I burned beforehand. I'll fix it when I get off work tomorrow morning..

Anyway..

Everyone's looking great. The runt is outpacing the others by a few inches now. She's really decided to stretch. Other 3 are short and thick.




Roots have exploded as well. Nothing to complain about there... 1st is the front left (the runt) and second is the front right.



AND WE HAVE PISTILS!!
The runt was the first of the bunch to spit hairs. First appeared 2 or 3 days ago.


That's it for tonight... or this morning for you daywalkers. I'm off to bed while I pout about my res change mishap. I'll have a new batch of RO tomorrow and I'll get it straightened out.

Next update will likely be DD (defol day) in a week or so. Til then.. &

 

[GrumpAzz]

They got a res change this morning.. fugged up again. Minor mishap. I forgot to release my float valve so, by the time I woke up, the plant-sites dropped an inch or more. Not terribly detrimental, but a whoops either way. Stay sharp out there folks.

460/6.3 at the plant-sites and 800/6.3 in the top-off. I'll let them get topped off with that until I feel like the stretch is over with. Another week maybe. This should slowly raise the plant-site ppm. Then a full on bloom mix and a HEAVY defoliation. Aside from being topped, they haven't had a bit of defolling done to 'em.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I have some very confused plants...


There's decent flower development but I've got 2 serious hermies and another that spit out a few ballsacks and bananas... so I went ahead and got a little scissor happy.

Before


After


I stripped the shit out of the hermies. Front two and the back right all had balls which has me leaning towards a light leak... i'm going to bed though.

This plant... I wish they all grew like this. It laid flat very nicely and is the only clean one of the bunch so far.


NUTS

 

[Observer]

I have some very confused plants...
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There's decent flower development but I've got 2 serious hermies and another that spit out a few ballsacks and bananas... so I went ahead and got a little scissor happy.

Before
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After
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I stripped the shit out of the hermies. Front two and the back right all had balls which has me leaning towards a light leak... i'm going to bed though.

This plant... I wish they all grew like this. It laid flat very nicely and is the only clean one of the bunch so far.
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NUTS

Damn sorry about the hermie situation

 

[GrumpAzz]

Looks like everyone is doing fine after yesterday's massacre. Stem rubs have a gassy dank nose. Roots are impressive.


Leaves are flat and taking in the full on flower spectrum.


I've got the light sitting 38" above the shorter ones. The "runt" is about 8-10" taller. Fingers crossed we don't have another freak that never stops stretching, that way I can finally take all 4 plants to harvest...

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So my chickens have gone blind... but I fixed it.

Their poofy head feathers grew over their eyes which made it basically impossible for them to see anything but their feet... I have a little daughter so I have a surplus of little rubberband hair ties. Hardest part was catching the flighty timid fuckers.

Anyway... here's one that wasn't losing it's freakin' mind. She got a pink one.

 

[GrumpAzz]

We're a little over 2 weeks of 12/12. Still stretching but it's slowed some. I'll take a few leaves here and there in the next day or two to open it up the bushy ones a bit.

Looking great

The runt really took off with the flip. As long as it stops stretching, she'll pack nicely with nuggets.
Same nose on all the stem rubs. Gassy funk.


Getting some cotton tops. The shorter plants have some super tight spacing so I'm expecting some serious buds. Time will tell.


Roots are doing their thang. Looking kinda funky but it's the heavy red spectrum.


They've drank 15 gallons since the last res change on the 7th or 8th. That's a little over a half gallon per plant every day. The 800ppm top-off has raised the ppm of the lower sites from 480-540. I'll change the res again in a week or so, going a little lighter on the CaMg and a little heavier on the PK.

I'm contemplating dumping a few gallons from the plant-sites to up the ppm a little bit. Give 'em a 5-10 gallon dose from above. They're doing great though, so I've been able to talk myself out if it. Less work this way. If I've learned anything from @steamroller, it's that slackers can still grow great weed.

I need to dive in there and do another check for hermies.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I don't know where we're at with flower. I rarely even know what day of the week it is anymore.

It's becoming clear that I haven't the slightest clue when it comes to training these beasts. It was getting really congested in there with some leaves creating condensation between them, so I gave them one more hack. Cleared out some overgrowth to make room and clipped a bunch of fans that were blocking out the light.

Before..

After...
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I can't handle the inconsistencies anymore. All 4 of these plants seem to be on a different time frame. Got the leggy fucker up front starting buds. Back right has a little more development. Front right is the furthest along with the fattest buds so far...

Then there's the back left. It's barely started growing pistils... it was shaping up to be the best plant in the tent, but it must not have been mature when I flipped or something. It's not trimmed yet in that video above, i now realize.

I'm working on a little project that's gonna get me some clones going for the next round. Keep your eyes peeled for that thread.

I'll be mixing a new batch of top-off nutes tonight. They've really started to suck it in. Leaves have great color. Only issues I saw during the hack-fest looked like high humidity to me. Bushy in there.

 

[doublej]

I don't know where we're at with flower. I rarely even know what day of the week it is anymore.

It's becoming clear that I haven't the slightest clue when it comes to training these beasts. It was getting really congested in there with some leaves creating condensation between them, so I gave them one more hack. Cleared out some overgrowth to make room and clipped a bunch of fans that were blocking out the light.

Before..
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After...
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I can't handle the inconsistencies anymore. All 4 of these plants seem to be on a different time frame. Got the leggy fucker up front starting buds. Back right has a little more development. Front right is the furthest along with the fattest buds so far...

Then there's the back left. It's barely started growing pistils... it was shaping up to be the best plant in the tent, but it must not have been mature when I flipped or something. It's not trimmed yet in that video above, i now realize.

I'm working on a little project that's gonna get me some clones going for the next round. Keep your eyes peeled for that thread.

I'll be mixing a new batch of top-off nutes tonight. They've really started to suck it in. Leaves have great color. Only issues I saw during the hack-fest looked like high humidity to me. Bushy in there.

Its all the Humboldt stuff?

 

[GrumpAzz]

Its all the Humboldt stuff?

Ywah these are a Humboldt Seed Company strain, but it's been every grow of multiple plants for me so far. Testers and not. These are supposed to be BX2 S2 and they're all over the place. Same nose on all of 'em though.

I've been wanting to make the jump to clones eventually, anyway. I'm not gonna phenohunt, just pop a bean and clone it 4 times and go.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I think everyone is finally done stretching. I waited too long to move up the light and burned the tallest a little bit, but otherwise looking really good. Looks like I'll get a decent harvest once these fatten up.


Front left. It's a lanky one, but it's FULL of budsites. It's probably the plant that will dictate the harvest window.


Front right. It's short and squat and the furthest along.



Back right.


Back left... fucker's looking at the chopping block, honestly. Ain't got time for this shit.


Roots are roots. Still looking goot.


The three all have the same nose and it's beautiful. It's giving me some Island Sweet Skunk, which is crazy because I just started looking for some ISS beans.

It's a citrusy pineappley gassy smell and I'm diggin' it. Can't wait to see these things fatten up get frosty.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I put in an order for some more Athena nutes. I was hesitant because they're pretty pricey, but I can't get over the rock solid resevoirs. Super easy to mix and it just stays where you want it. That's a big plus for me with my busy schedule. I haven't adjusted the pH of this grow YET, only fine tuning with each res change. It levels out in a day and stays put.

I grabbed a bottle of FADE also. It's not something that was sent in the sample pack so I don't know whether or not it's necessary, but it claims to give a boost to your terps. I'll gladly give that a whirl.

I made it through 2+ grows with the gallon bottles they sent. I still have enough Grow A and B to do another run, so 3+ grows for that stuff. Lowering my ppms this round will also help conserve the Bloom nutes, maybe getting 3 grows out of it as well.

They're BALANCE silica product works also. I know it's costly, but it's so much simpler than premixing the Agsil like I was before, plus it keeps a more stable res from my experience.

All that to say... Next round has been re-upped and I'm ready to grow some Kitchen Sink.

Everyone's experience is different, but if it's within your budget, I strongly recommend Athena's Blended line of nutes for anyone doing hydro. Simple resevoirs make for a simple grow. Keep it simple, stupid.

 

[Stoneyluv]

I put in an order for some more Athena nutes. I was hesitant because they're pretty pricey, but I can't get over the rock solid resevoirs. Super easy to mix and it just stays where you want it. That's a big plus for me with my busy schedule. I haven't adjusted the pH of this grow YET, only fine tuning with each res change. It levels out in a day and stays put.

I grabbed a bottle of FADE also. It's not something that was sent in the sample pack so I don't know whether or not it's necessary, but it claims to give a boost to your terps. I'll gladly give that a whirl.

I made it through 2+ grows with the gallon bottles they sent. I still have enough Grow A and B to do another run, so 3+ grows for that stuff. Lowering my ppms this round will also help conserve the Bloom nutes, maybe getting 3 grows out of it as well.

They're BALANCE silica product works also. I know it's costly, but it's so much simpler than premixing the Agsil like I was before, plus it keeps a more stable res from my experience.

All that to say... Next round has been re-upped and I'm ready to grow some Kitchen Sink.

Everyone's experience is different, but if it's within your budget, I strongly recommend Athena's Blended line of nutes for anyone doing hydro. Simple resevoirs make for a simple grow. Keep it simple, stupid.

i guess if you factor in the free stuff they gave you i bet it's not really that expensive yet...

 

[GrumpAzz]

Res change today. Another boost of PK and a little less CaMg. I left about 6 gallons in the plantsites and filled it up with 900ppm of the new batch. That's what it'll get for the top-off, 900. I'm gonna let the lowers circulate before a final ppm reading there.

Nugs!! Everwhere!!

This one here will gauge the harvest windo since it has the most on it. It's had an impressive run, starting as the runt. It stretched over 5 feet and is producing some healthy looking nuggets.


The one here stretched the least and is the furthest along. Nice structure and spacing on these and I think it's gonna finish really nice.


Middle of the road kind of plant, here. Nothing the say other than it's doing just fine as well. It's gonna have some weight to it at harvest, foflr sure.


Then there's this idiot...

I need to see some buds or YOU'RE FIRED

Wonderful smell to the tent this time. Like a gassy tropical smoothie. Kinda pineappley crude oil. It's some kind of funky fruity fragrance that I'm excited to torch.

Thanks for being here and following along
&

 

[GrumpAzz]

Found quite a few of these...


I may never let another lone calyx make it to harvest. Fuckin' balls, I'll pluck 'em all.

About the seeds though. If these pollinated themselves, will that make the resulting seeds mostly fems? I might start a little stash if I find a bunch in the buds.

These plants smell wonderful. The front two have a very sweet, tropical sort of hazeyness.. The back one has the same, just not as strong and with a lot more of a gassy funk.

 

[Stoneyluv]

About the seeds though. If these pollinated themselves, will that make the resulting seeds mostly fems?

not mostly, all! if no male pollen then no male seeds. could produce another hermi but if it's stress and not genetic is almost perfect scenario.

hey i've heard you mention you like that balance as a buffer a couple times now, i picked up a jug the other day.

 

[GrumpAzz]

not mostly, all! if no male pollen then no male seeds. could produce another hermi but if it's stress and not genetic is almost perfect scenario.

Oh shit yeah! Depending on the plant, these are keeper phenos so far. I was just talking to G$ about finding me some Island Sweet Skunk seeds and these plants are damn near spot-on, terps wise. They've got the same nose. It's a nostalgic strain for me that I sampled when good weed first hit Kansas back in like '08. Haven't sampled anything yet, obviously, but I'm farming for terps, not the high.

I'll make sure to save any mature seeds I find and, if I get enough, I'd love to pass some around. Like I said, this is a keeper pheno if you're a tropical terp chaser.

hey i've heard you mention you like that balance as a buffer a couple times now, i picked up a jug the other day.

Nice. Yeah these Athena nutes have been ridiculously stable. I used less on this last res change cuz I'm gonna be weaning them off here pretty soon. Plant-site pH has been falling over this last week so I think they're eating less now, coming up to the final stretch. I'll have to look back, but I should only have 3-5 weeks left. They've really started to fatten up and I'm excited. The plant that started as the runt is FULL of budsites. It's gonna be a sweet harvest, seeds be damned.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I'll have to look back, but I should only have 3-5 weeks left

Yep.. Just checked and we're finishing up the 7th week, so I was pretty damn close.

So... If i'm looking at 2 more weeks until 10 weeks, I need to do a res change tomorrow. This late in the game, Athena recommends nothing but PK and FADE shooting for 850ppm. I'm already lower than that in the plant-sites, sitting around 650ppm. I'll aim for closer to 400 with the PK and FADE and nothing else. No BALANCE or anything to act as a buffer. We'll see how stable these nutes are then.

Here's what Athena says about their FADE...



I'm pretty curious about the Calcium Chloride. Is chlorine something you really wanna put in your res?? @moe.red

I'm gonna try it because I've already got the bottle in the grow room.

 

[moe.red]

Yep.. Just checked and we're finishing up the 7th week, so I was pretty damn close.

So... If i'm looking at 2 more weeks until 10 weeks, I need to do a res change tomorrow. This late in the game, Athena recommends nothing but PK and FADE shooting for 850ppm. I'm already lower than that in the plant-sites, sitting around 650ppm. I'll aim for closer to 400 with the PK and FADE and nothing else. No BALANCE or anything to act as a buffer. We'll see how stable these nutes are then.

Here's what Athena says about their FADE...
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I'm pretty curious about the Calcium Chloride. Is chlorine something you really wanna put in your res?? @moe.red

I'm gonna try it because I've already got the bottle in the grow room.

Calcium chloride is not chlorine.

Chlorine is naturally 2 atoms bonded together and is a gas at room temp. Highly oxidizing in its element form which is why it kills bugs.

Make an ionic bond with a calcium atom and you have an ionic salt in crystal form.

Chlorine is in fact a minor nute. The plants do require it. But man 7% seems like a lot.

I’ve never run Athena before personally.

I’d need to do some testing but the effect on your Bennie’s colony will not be zero. Some will die. If it is enough to matter I don’t know. That said if you are killing the Bennie’s you are killing the baddies most likely. Interesting question

 

[GrumpAzz]

Calcium chloride is not chlorine.

Chlorine is naturally 2 atoms bonded together and is a gas at room temp. Highly oxidizing in its element form which is why it kills bugs.

Make an ionic bond with a calcium atom and you have an ionic salt in crystal form.

Chlorine is in fact a minor nute. The plants do require it. But man 7% seems like a lot.

I’ve never run Athena before personally.

I’d need to do some testing but the effect on your Bennie’s colony will not be zero. Some will die. If it is enough to matter I don’t know. That said if you are killing the Bennie’s you are killing the baddies most likely. Interesting question

If anything.. I don't see an issue losing bennies in the last two weeks of the grow, if that happens to be a result. I know you've told me to save my colony again and again, but I never listen...

I'm interested to see the results, though. So far, I've been very pleased with the results from my last two grows using Athena -- Ease of mixing, stable pH, no hit to the final product. This stuff is new, though. I don't know when it was released, but it wasn't in the free trial they sent. Stuff's $30 bucks a gallon but I'll only be using 300-600ml per grow. The rest of the lineup has lasted two grows and might last three.

The stable resevoirs sold me on their lineup. These last two grows stayed on autopilot every res change. It's been a lifesaver with the ridiculous hours I've been working.

I never did take my growing experience into account, though. I've lost track of harvests at this point, so there's a possibility that me just being a better grower has contributed to the stable resevoirs. Coincidence? I don't know...

Honestly, unless the terps are just out of this world loud, I won't really even know if it has any affect. I've never ran the same strain twice. However, I'm VERY excited about the smell coming from these ladies, so I'll certainly run this strain again.

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That was a lot.. what the hell. Morning/bedtime doob got me speaking in run-ons..

 

[steamroller]

Don't know the math but 7% chlorine is still going to be diluted when you mix nutes.
I would guess by the time all is mixed it is below tap water level chlorine.
My experience with fish was water changes of under 75% could do be done with no chlorine remover or ill effects. Many of the top breeders consider it a mild prophylactic that was free and safe without killing our precious beneficial bacteria.
The chlorine only lasted a couple hours max because as mentioned the bacteria that it kills also kill it and have an effect on its life.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Nice. Yeah these Athena nutes have been ridiculously stable. I used less on this last res change cuz I'm gonna be weaning them off here pretty soon. Plant-site pH has been falling over this last week so I think they're eating less now, coming up to the final stretch. I'll have to look back, but I should only have 3-5 weeks left. They've really started to fatten up and I'm excited. The plant that started as the runt is FULL of budsites. It's gonna be a sweet harvest, seeds be damned.

it was the same price as the GH so i figured what the hell...

i have wishful thinking that i can get over my hydro issue and will be able to use it. if not, i'm sending it to you!!