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SpectrumFarms said:
Looking great! Is the pulse pro worth buying? I keep looking at them and keep trying to convince myself it would be an investment. 😂
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Can’t say whether I would pay full price for one, was a prize in my case. I use it, and trust in the numbers it gives me. It works well! I’d give it a recommendation.
 
Roots have been showing out the bottom drain holes for 3-4 days now, really need to get these into their final containers. So much for slow and steady. IMG_6190.jpeg
 
willie said:
Everybody looks happy in there. What dictates when you flip to flower? Time, size, pre-flowers??
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In my opinion I think it’s subjective when you flip to an extent, based on your style and method of growing. My current run was only vegged for 20 days. My last run I vegged for 40. I would factor in space limitations if you know the cultivars stretch also. Big stretcher? Possibly veg less? I’m just spit balling, I’m still a FNG.
 
SpectrumFarms said:
In my opinion I think it’s subjective when you flip to an extent, based on your style and method of growing. My current run was only vegged for 20 days. My last run I vegged for 40. I would factor in space limitations if you know the cultivars stretch also. Big stretcher? Possibly veg less? I’m just spit balling, I’m still a FNG.
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I'm pretty much the same. If I had to answer the same question I'd probably pick the calendar (for no scientific reason at all) On average, I'll flip at a month of veg. I might veg longer if it's a slow grower that doesn't stretch or for a scrog, but after 4 weeks I start looking at the plant and thinking flip it now, flip it now, lol.
Probably the "correct" thing is to wait until they show but I'm already old, no sense getting older waiting to flip :)
 
Vegging longer than 3 weeks is pointless and wasteful IMO. 2 weeks preferred if possible with good equipment or when the first 5 point leaves emerge is when the window to flip opens.
I cannot stress the emphasis on good equipment here. If you have top shelf high quality lighting and are well versed in your grow techniques, the less veg time is needed.
The only difference possible about alternating vs aligned nodes is surface area of a flower. The greater the surface area, the more trichs and that equals greater potency. Other than that, alternating nodes are meaningless in the end results and I'm not even sure they create more surface area on a flower.
In regards to size, there again as well, long veg or short veg has no impact on size of flowers. That's genetics.

If anything, there's a just an unknown in growers when it comes to flipping a baby plant if they've never done it.
Like no way will it produce because it must veg and get big if I want a meaningful harvest. That's pretty much dogma today.
We have to look at the bigger picture and understand that growth will happen even if it's not there to see it at the time of flipping.

Instead, we've been growing huge plants only to cut branches away, defol, lollipop and more. All of that is pointless and does nothing to increase yields or potency. Everything the plant needs to put on for the yield will be done in the first two weeks after flip. Potency starts coming on in week 4 of flower. It's a mad rush veg period into flowering even though the lights are at 12/12 that gives them structure and will take a 10" plant at flip into a 4 footer at harvest.


Short veg also takes full advantage of indoor lighting by getting full plant penetration rather than have a canopy then 2-3' of dead space between the canopy and root zone. That's really my biggest issue with long veg and why I'll never try to grow trees indoors again. All that wasted space and growing plants just to cut a lot of that growth out.

Other factors...ez to beat a bug infestation with little to no veg because they don't have the time to take full control and destroy a crop.
Annually is where things really get interesting because by reducing veg time to less than 3 weeks gives us the ability to grow at least one more full size crop per year compared to long vegging of 3 weeks or longer.

So yeah...I woulda flipped your crop yesterday 😋
 
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It’s been 27 days since the seeds sprouted, I’m not in a hurry to flip, and wanna build some roots in the bigger pots. I flip when the bones are good and strong, and can support flowers, and a full canopy.
 
Bandit420 said:
Vegging longer than 3 weeks is pointless and wasteful IMO. 2 weeks preferred if possible with good equipment or when the first 5 point leaves emerge is when the window to flip opens.
I cannot stress the emphasis on good equipment here. If you have top shelf high quality lighting and are well versed in your grow techniques, the less veg time is needed.
The only difference possible about alternating vs aligned nodes is surface area of a flower. The greater the surface area, the more trichs and that equals greater potency. Other than that, alternating nodes are meaningless in the end results and I'm not even sure they create more surface area on a flower.
In regards to size, there again as well, long veg or short veg has no impact on size of flowers. That's genetics.

If anything, there's a just an unknown in growers when it comes to flipping a baby plant if they've never done it.
Like no way will it produce because it must veg and get big if I want a meaningful harvest. That's pretty much dogma today.
We have to look at the bigger picture and understand that growth will happen even if it's not there to see it at the time of flipping.

Instead, we've been growing huge plants only to cut branches away, defol, lollipop and more. All of that is pointless and does nothing to increase yields or potency. Everything the plant needs to put on for the yield will be done in the first two weeks after flip. Potency starts coming on in week 4 of flower. It's a mad rush veg period into flowering even though the lights are at 12/12 that gives them structure and will take a 10" plant at flip into a 4 footer at harvest.


Short veg also takes full advantage of indoor lighting by getting full plant penetration rather than have a canopy then 2-3' of dead space between the canopy and root zone. That's really my biggest issue with long veg and why I'll never try to grow trees indoors again. All that wasted space and growing plants just to cut a lot of that growth out.

Other factors...ez to beat a bug infestation with little to no veg because they don't have the time to take full control and destroy a crop.
Annually is where things really get interesting because by reducing veg time to less than 3 weeks gives us the ability to grow at least one more full size crop per year compared to long vegging of 3 weeks or longer.

So yeah...I woulda flipped your crop yesterday 😋
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Do you veg only 3 weeks from seed then flip..what’s your average yield from a 3 week veg ..asking for a friend.
 
Max said:
Do you veg only 3 weeks from seed then flip..what’s your average yield from a 3 week veg ..asking for a friend.
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If the footprint is filled to capacity in my room, the yield is around 1lb +- an oz or two regardless of veg time.
The big difference is one crop finishes a month before the other.

Like here's my last long veg crop, roughly a 125 day grow from seed to harvest. These were topped and weekly trimming and removal of lower larf branching needed to be done. Flipped at around 4-5 weeks from dry seed

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Here's my first dialed in no veg and flipped at first set of 5 pointer leaves, roughly 15-18 days from dry seed.
Left to grow au natural and minimum lower branch trimming was needed.
This grow finished at 90 days with earliest ripening and ready at 80 days.
This is where no veg gets the advantage. There's no loss in yield for me and when a grow is only 90 days vs 120, that opens up an entire 4 months of time per year to fit in another crop.
Both of these grows were with Greenpoint seeds as well with some strains being sisters


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The interesting thing about structure is when plants are topped, having more than 4 top colas per plant actually weakens branching on hybrid genetics and it requires a net or cage type support.
When they're not topped or as I like to say "sculpted" into 4 mains instead of 1, the branching is actually much stronger and able to support colas the size of an adult human arm with no net but yoyos may be required if the airflow can force them into a lean.
The next factor to consider is what do you want in your yield? Small colas and lots of small buds or a handful of monsters colas?
No veg allows more plants in the footprint but they'll be smaller than long veg trees.
However, three 2' tall plants will always equal the yield of one 6' tall plant. The 6 footer will have a few nice colas but mostly all golf ball size or smaller buds at harvest. And then if it's topped multiple times and the plant has dozens of tops, all the buds will be on the small side, equal in size, not producing the arm size colas.
No veg is nearly 100% cola and not many smaller buds to haul. And needless to say it makes trimming a lot easier
 
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I see.your getting more plants in the room without the loss of yield and creating more time to get another grow in…makes a lot of sense bud..I need to try this and also get away from these longer flowering plants too and same more time again.
 
Max said:
I see.your getting more plants in the room without the loss of yield and creating more time to get another grow in…makes a lot of sense bud..I need to try this and also get away from these longer flowering plants too and same more time again.
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It's a game changer when it comes to growing sativas. They still get big indoors but at least it's manageable and wiping a month off the calendar makes that long ripening time seem not so bad. You pretty much trade veg time for ripening time with sativas
 
Every grower will have different perspectives on how long to veg for. But in reality, the bigger the plant, the more flower it produces, it really is that simple. If your growing perpetually, then it doesn’t matter if you yield 1-3zips per plant, because you have more ready to flower right away, it’s more about plant count.
in my case, I want to maximize my harvest on a single run, if I had less plants in the room, I’d veg longer, more plants, less. Whatever time it takes to fill the room is how I decide when to flip.
 
Well said..that’s bang on mate..my height of room dictates most times on how long I can veg certain strains.some genetically just cant b controlled…I’m not 100% in full control of my enviroment aswell so I have to top for height and that at times helps to keep the dreaded M at bay with smaller tops but half the time even that doesn’t work out and still turn out pretty big.
 
All plants showing female flowering, no unusual suspects yet. Purple blizzard has some nice strong branching, which will help for support. Planning on staking after stretch and was planning to defol some more leaves then, but might need to do some before then.

Purple blozzard
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MaxAC
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