Mr.G’s Greenpoint Grow

[Bandit420]

Vegging longer than 3 weeks is pointless and wasteful IMO. 2 weeks preferred if possible with good equipment or when the first 5 point leaves emerge is when the window to flip opens.
I cannot stress the emphasis on good equipment here. If you have top shelf high quality lighting and are well versed in your grow techniques, the less veg time is needed.
The only difference possible about alternating vs aligned nodes is surface area of a flower. The greater the surface area, the more trichs and that equals greater potency. Other than that, alternating nodes are meaningless in the end results and I'm not even sure they create more surface area on a flower.
In regards to size, there again as well, long veg or short veg has no impact on size of flowers. That's genetics.

If anything, there's a just an unknown in growers when it comes to flipping a baby plant if they've never done it.
Like no way will it produce because it must veg and get big if I want a meaningful harvest. That's pretty much dogma today.
We have to look at the bigger picture and understand that growth will happen even if it's not there to see it at the time of flipping.

Instead, we've been growing huge plants only to cut branches away, defol, lollipop and more. All of that is pointless and does nothing to increase yields or potency. Everything the plant needs to put on for the yield will be done in the first two weeks after flip. Potency starts coming on in week 4 of flower. It's a mad rush veg period into flowering even though the lights are at 12/12 that gives them structure and will take a 10" plant at flip into a 4 footer at harvest.


Short veg also takes full advantage of indoor lighting by getting full plant penetration rather than have a canopy then 2-3' of dead space between the canopy and root zone. That's really my biggest issue with long veg and why I'll never try to grow trees indoors again. All that wasted space and growing plants just to cut a lot of that growth out.

Other factors...ez to beat a bug infestation with little to no veg because they don't have the time to take full control and destroy a crop.
Annually is where things really get interesting because by reducing veg time to less than 3 weeks gives us the ability to grow at least one more full size crop per year compared to long vegging of 3 weeks or longer.

So yeah...I woulda flipped your crop yesterday

 

[GoodShit97]

Looking great! Is the pulse pro worth buying? I keep looking at them and keep trying to convince myself it would be an investment.

I'll have one soon, @Nesta is hooking me up, maybe he has something to add in

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

It’s been 27 days since the seeds sprouted, I’m not in a hurry to flip, and wanna build some roots in the bigger pots. I flip when the bones are good and strong, and can support flowers, and a full canopy.

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Maxac


Purple blizzard.

 

[Observer]

Maxac
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Purple blizzard.

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What VPD or temp/rh are you running at again?

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

What VPD or temp/rh are you running at again?

77-82f/60-70rh.

 

[Max]

Vegging longer than 3 weeks is pointless and wasteful IMO. 2 weeks preferred if possible with good equipment or when the first 5 point leaves emerge is when the window to flip opens.
I cannot stress the emphasis on good equipment here. If you have top shelf high quality lighting and are well versed in your grow techniques, the less veg time is needed.
The only difference possible about alternating vs aligned nodes is surface area of a flower. The greater the surface area, the more trichs and that equals greater potency. Other than that, alternating nodes are meaningless in the end results and I'm not even sure they create more surface area on a flower.
In regards to size, there again as well, long veg or short veg has no impact on size of flowers. That's genetics.

If anything, there's a just an unknown in growers when it comes to flipping a baby plant if they've never done it.
Like no way will it produce because it must veg and get big if I want a meaningful harvest. That's pretty much dogma today.
We have to look at the bigger picture and understand that growth will happen even if it's not there to see it at the time of flipping.

Instead, we've been growing huge plants only to cut branches away, defol, lollipop and more. All of that is pointless and does nothing to increase yields or potency. Everything the plant needs to put on for the yield will be done in the first two weeks after flip. Potency starts coming on in week 4 of flower. It's a mad rush veg period into flowering even though the lights are at 12/12 that gives them structure and will take a 10" plant at flip into a 4 footer at harvest.


Short veg also takes full advantage of indoor lighting by getting full plant penetration rather than have a canopy then 2-3' of dead space between the canopy and root zone. That's really my biggest issue with long veg and why I'll never try to grow trees indoors again. All that wasted space and growing plants just to cut a lot of that growth out.

Other factors...ez to beat a bug infestation with little to no veg because they don't have the time to take full control and destroy a crop.
Annually is where things really get interesting because by reducing veg time to less than 3 weeks gives us the ability to grow at least one more full size crop per year compared to long vegging of 3 weeks or longer.

So yeah...I woulda flipped your crop yesterday

Do you veg only 3 weeks from seed then flip..what’s your average yield from a 3 week veg ..asking for a friend.

 

[Bandit420]

Do you veg only 3 weeks from seed then flip..what’s your average yield from a 3 week veg ..asking for a friend.

If the footprint is filled to capacity in my room, the yield is around 1lb +- an oz or two regardless of veg time.
The big difference is one crop finishes a month before the other.

Like here's my last long veg crop, roughly a 125 day grow from seed to harvest. These were topped and weekly trimming and removal of lower larf branching needed to be done. Flipped at around 4-5 weeks from dry seed



Here's my first dialed in no veg and flipped at first set of 5 pointer leaves, roughly 15-18 days from dry seed.
Left to grow au natural and minimum lower branch trimming was needed.
This grow finished at 90 days with earliest ripening and ready at 80 days.
This is where no veg gets the advantage. There's no loss in yield for me and when a grow is only 90 days vs 120, that opens up an entire 4 months of time per year to fit in another crop.
Both of these grows were with Greenpoint seeds as well with some strains being sisters




The interesting thing about structure is when plants are topped, having more than 4 top colas per plant actually weakens branching on hybrid genetics and it requires a net or cage type support.
When they're not topped or as I like to say "sculpted" into 4 mains instead of 1, the branching is actually much stronger and able to support colas the size of an adult human arm with no net but yoyos may be required if the airflow can force them into a lean.
The next factor to consider is what do you want in your yield? Small colas and lots of small buds or a handful of monsters colas?
No veg allows more plants in the footprint but they'll be smaller than long veg trees.
However, three 2' tall plants will always equal the yield of one 6' tall plant. The 6 footer will have a few nice colas but mostly all golf ball size or smaller buds at harvest. And then if it's topped multiple times and the plant has dozens of tops, all the buds will be on the small side, equal in size, not producing the arm size colas.
No veg is nearly 100% cola and not many smaller buds to haul. And needless to say it makes trimming a lot easier

 

[Max]

I see.your getting more plants in the room without the loss of yield and creating more time to get another grow in…makes a lot of sense bud..I need to try this and also get away from these longer flowering plants too and same more time again.

 

[Bandit420]

I see.your getting more plants in the room without the loss of yield and creating more time to get another grow in…makes a lot of sense bud..I need to try this and also get away from these longer flowering plants too and same more time again.

It's a game changer when it comes to growing sativas. They still get big indoors but at least it's manageable and wiping a month off the calendar makes that long ripening time seem not so bad. You pretty much trade veg time for ripening time with sativas

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Every grower will have different perspectives on how long to veg for. But in reality, the bigger the plant, the more flower it produces, it really is that simple. If your growing perpetually, then it doesn’t matter if you yield 1-3zips per plant, because you have more ready to flower right away, it’s more about plant count.
in my case, I want to maximize my harvest on a single run, if I had less plants in the room, I’d veg longer, more plants, less. Whatever time it takes to fill the room is how I decide when to flip.

 

[Max]

Well said..that’s bang on mate..my height of room dictates most times on how long I can veg certain strains.some genetically just cant b controlled…I’m not 100% in full control of my enviroment aswell so I have to top for height and that at times helps to keep the dreaded M at bay with smaller tops but half the time even that doesn’t work out and still turn out pretty big.

 

[Nesta]

I'll have one soon, @Nesta is hooking me up, maybe he has something to add in

I like the pulse pro, It has some great features. I moved away from it to run the full AC Infinity Wi-Fi connected suite. I just like to be able to control things while I’m out of town.

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Steady growth, given the current size of the plants I envision flipping these to flower next week.

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Plants got a skirting and leaf plucking today, some beauty infinity leaves in there with some lucky 8s. Dimmed the lights all the way, and gave them a foliar Monster cal shower.

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Timer to 12/12 tomorrow, Time to light the fuse on these girls. Should be able to wrap this up in under 100 days from seed.

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Day 2 flower, juggling different feeding and watering cycles for both strains in the room.
Nothing much to report, but beginning to stretch already, so adjusting light height as needed.

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Nice even 2 strain canopy with no risers, or LST this grow. Little bit of light, and wind damage, but smooth sailing.

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

All plants showing female flowering, no unusual suspects yet. Purple blizzard has some nice strong branching, which will help for support. Planning on staking after stretch and was planning to defol some more leaves then, but might need to do some before then.

Purple blozzard


MaxAC

 

[Observer]

Solid
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[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Was gunna add the pulse readings.

 

[steamroller]

You are supplementing CO2?

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

You are supplementing CO2?

Not currently, numbers spike when I’m in the room tending to the plants, settles down to around 400 after an hour or 2.

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Not having luck with the SE5000 reliability, might have to swap it out for something else I have in storage. Last se5000 that had issues was warranty replaced with a downgrade sf4000, but working well. Plants seem to be getting enough light for now.

 

[steamroller]

How many grows on the light?

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

How many grows on the light?

2 grows.

 

[Observer]

2 grows.

Lol.

That's some bullshit.

Dirtbag had issues with his on its first grow too, IIRC.

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Lol.

That's some bullshit.

Dirtbag had issues with his on its first grow too, IIRC.

His light issues were different, some loose wires I think. I’ve tried everything I can tweak on mine, keep in mind this is my second unit to have issues, granted both lights were promotional. I’ve had better luck with the board style fixtures, just don’t like the heat they give off.

Shot of the upper tent setup, pardon my cable management.

 

[Observer]

Plants look to be in great health

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Strong first week of flower complete. Still feeding every other day @600ppm, and got a shot of pk boost to help initiate flowering. Humidity at lights off is a concern, dehum running constantly, and still up to 70rh. Need to remove some leaves to get things under control, and maybe turn up the lights off temps. I’ve been pulling a leaf here and there, but I need to take more. Bumped the hurricane up to increase airflow for now.

Favourite plant in the room is this Purple Blizzard.


Stretched about 6” this week.

 

[Observer]

Strong first week of flower complete. Still feeding every other day @600ppm, and got a shot of pk boost to help initiate flowering. Humidity at lights off is a concern, dehum running constantly, and still up to 70rh. Need to remove some leaves to get things under control, and maybe turn up the lights off temps. I’ve been pulling a leaf here and there, but I need to take more. Bumped the hurricane up to increase airflow for now.

Favourite plant in the room is this Purple Blizzard.
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Stretched about 6” this week.

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Nice

Once you remove those fan leafs nightime rh should be fine

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Nice

Once you remove those fan leafs nightime rh should be fine

I’m trying to heed other forum members advice and not stress them out too much.
Keep the ladyboys in Thailand.
typically I wait for budset to be complete before doing a major defol, but my hand may be forced this time. PM is worse.

 

[Observer]

I’m trying to heed other forum members advice and not stress them out too much.
Keep the ladyboys in Thailand.
typically I wait for budset to be complete before doing a major defol, but my hand may be forced this time. PM is worse.

If the genetics are solid, I think you're fine to go at it, or remove one layer of fans off all and see if that's sufficient.


But I don't know when you stripped last either, and yea I'd usually follow those practices as well.

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Pulled each plant out and thinned some leaves and lots of weak branching, this is not ideal timing on day 9 of flower, but they are growing so quick, I doubt it will phase them much.

 

[MDK]

I’m trying to heed other forum members advice and not stress them out too much.
Keep the ladyboys in Thailand.
typically I wait for budset to be complete before doing a major defol, but my hand may be forced this time. PM is worse.

Right when I think about this too I think which is more stressful pulling leaves off the plant or humidity and air flow issues? Seems like either could be considered stress

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Plants actually look happier after a cleanup, time will tell.
I know some of the other budbuilders are blowing hot and cold smoke at greenpoint, and some may be warranted, but I won’t form an opinion till the buds are in the bags.
If they do herm at this point, I dunno, can’t be all growers fault.
I realize these are “tester” genetics, and with that comes some risks, but so far, these are the most vigorous plants I’ve grown in 5 years.

 

[Dreamnfox]

I grew out the first tester run of the MaxAc out of the pack I got 2 great phenos. One has really nice vanilla terps the other leaned a little more gassy. They were really easy to grow, had a major heater malfunction and I still didn't get a single herm in the tent. This was the #2 the vanilla one. Gu uses the second photo on the website

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

I grew out the first tester run of the MaxAc out of the pack I got 2 great phenos. One has really nice vanilla terps the other leaned a little more gassy. They were really easy to grow, had a major heater malfunction and I still didn't get a single herm in the tent. This was the #2 the vanilla one. Gu uses the second photo on the website

Solid. I’ve heard good results from others here as well about MaxAc, been a really simple plant to keep happy. Purple blizzard has been a bit more needy, and 2 of the plants have fallen behind the others by 6”, so I’ll put some risers in to even them out. Nice strong tops with good node spacing.

 

[deebles]

I just finished 2 platinum ice and 2 ice cream cake from GP w no issue. Platinum ice was one of the frostiest, stickiest, nastiest purple and green plant I've seen in person. I'm new to indoor and if anyone would herm...it'd be me lol. I don't smoke so no report there.
Carry on and good luck, I'm along for the ride. They look great!

 

[Mr.GreenthumbOG]

Spiderfarmer sending a sf4000 to replace the busted se5000, hopefully arrives sooner rather than later.
Stretch continues, hopefully not for much longer as height will be a concern. Supercrop if needed.