Red's Thread ~ All things Cannabis

[moe.red]

What is considered 100% @/ #?mg/l

7? 8mg/l? 9mg/l?

Its based on elevation.

I prefer to look at it this way. With RDWC and active bubbling at atmospheric I would max out at 8.5mg/l.
With O2 concentration the goal is about 30mg/. That is approaching 300% of what would normally be available to the plants.

 

[Observer]

Jesus

That's A 252.9%+ increase in DO

Now how does that translate to co2 needs

Hmm

 

[moe.red]

Holy shit



That was fast

 

[Observer]

Holy shit

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That was fast

Yea this is crazy.
You should be able to
PUSH SOME PLANTS
lol

 

[Observer]

I bet there's some other "biohacks" and tricks too to combine

 

[moe.red]

I bet there's some other "biohacks" and tricks too to combine

Spectrum and PGRs are probably at the top of the list of what's left.

 

[Aqua Man]

Its based on elevation.

I prefer to look at it this way. With RDWC and active bubbling at atmospheric I would max out at 8.5mg/l.
With O2 concentration the goal is about 30mg/. That is approaching 300% of what would normally be available to the plants.

About 350%

 

[Observer]

Spectrum and PGRs are probably at the top of the list of what's left.

Ethylene Priming.

You could easily do it.

And you might as well since you've done all this

 

[moe.red]

About 350%

Curve is flattening out currently at 280%.

I'll let it run as is for a few hours and let you know the top. Gotta go do family shit for a bit.

 

[Aqua Man]

I wanna see!

Lol

So you simply need a grow bag that fits a pail or a mod to the pail that allows the grow bag to fold over the edges or seal in any manner. Then a small stand inside the bucket for the plant to sit on. This creates a sealed chamber like Moes fog totes.

Then an o2 source (concentrator) and you drill a 1/4 hole and run your line into the pail that delivers the o2 to the rootzone and forces it through the media. Because the grow bag is folded over the rim the o2 will have to permeate the media pushing co2 up out and forcing o2 through it at the level that the concentrators pushing out

Ideally the part of the grow bag folded over the pail would have a rubber strip to seal better but definitely not needed just a design improvement.

 

[moe.red]

Ethylene Priming.

You could easily do it.

And you might as well since you've done all this

My thought is what I am doing is pushing far enough. Spectrum yeah - thats cool to mess with. PGRs are a step too far for me in a full grow. I use them in Tissue Culture but not in the flower area.

The rest of the chemicals I'm drawing a line at. I'm like a vegetarian who eats cheese but not beef. But even in this highly unnatural environment I'm trying to keep it as natural as I can. Anything that will end up in the finished product is pretty much a pass for me.

 

[Observer]

So you simply need a grow bag that fits a pail or a mod to the pail that allows the grow bag to fold over the edges or seal in any manner. Then a small stand inside the bucket for the plant to sit on. This creates a sealed chamber like Moes fog totes.

Then an o2 source (concentrator) and you drill a 1/4 hole and run your line into the pail that delivers the o2 to the rootzone and forces it through the media. Because the grow bag is folded over the rim the o2 will have to permeate the media pushing co2 up out and forcing o2 through it at the level that the concentrators pushing out

Ideally the part of the grow bag folded over the pail would have a rubber strip to seal better but definitely not needed just a design improvement.

Neat

Thanks guys

 

[Aqua Man]

So you simply need a grow bag that fits a pail or a mod to the pail that allows the grow bag to fold over the edges or seal in any manner. Then a small stand inside the bucket for the plant to sit on. This creates a sealed chamber like Moes fog totes.

Then an o2 source (concentrator) and you drill a 1/4 hole and run your line into the pail that delivers the o2 to the rootzone and forces it through the media. Because the grow bag is folded over the rim the o2 will have to permeate the media pushing co2 up out and forcing o2 through it at the level that the concentrators pushing out

Ideally the part of the grow bag folded over the pail would have a rubber strip to seal better but definitely not needed just a design improvement.

You could even put a drain with a shut off on the bottoms so when you feed you can drain the runoff out as needed. It doesn’t need to completely drain because the bottom of the grow bag is sitting on a stand so it will never be sitting in the runoff anyways.

 

[moe.red]

Last post lol

 

[OLDCRO]

You could even put a drain with a shut off on the bottoms so when you feed you can drain the runoff out as needed. It doesn’t need to completely drain because the bottom of the grow bag is sitting on a stand so it will never be sitting in the runoff anyways.

How big of an O2 concentrator would you need to play with a couple of buckets

 

[Aqua Man]

@Observer here is the kicker… you can do this with a cheap aquarium pump to change soil and coco o2 levels to that close to aero and fog as the benefits do not need to be supersaturated to make a difference in growth rates like aero or fog does.

 

[Aqua Man]

How big of an O2 concentrator would you need to play with a couple of buckets

back in a few here then i can go over this more but even an aquarium pump will make a difference if one wanted to see the results. Of course not to the level of an o2 concentrator but a measurable improvement none the less

 

[Observer]

cool, thanks Moe! you had told me you liked 3-1/2".. i couldn't find that size so i bought some four inch trade size and the actual is almost 3-1/2"

this size is going to fine, correct? btw, i'm gonna steal your twist lock idea, i expect a patent lawsuit!! hahaha

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hey wait up, i'm the assistant to the regional manager here.. you gotta get in line!!!

cool, thanks Moe! you had told me you liked 3-1/2".. i couldn't find that size so i bought some four inch trade size and the actual is almost 3-1/2"

this size is going to fine, correct? btw, i'm gonna steal your twist lock idea, i expect a patent lawsuit!! hahaha

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hey wait up, i'm the assistant to the regional manager here.. you gotta get in line!!!

Fine

I'll be #1 Fan Boy

Lol

 

[moe.red]

How big of an O2 concentrator would you need to play with a couple of buckets

I’d probably use electrolysis for such a small qty.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Assistant regional manager or assistant to the regional manager?

haha definitely an assistant TO the man.. and in training at that.. hahaha

Fine

I'll be #1 Fan Boy

Lol

yea i'm one of those today too!!!! really nerding out on this thread today!!! mindblown!!

and i got Aqua Man on retainer too!!! kinda pricey but i get the canadian exchange rate!!

So you simply need a grow bag that fits a pail or a mod to the pail that allows the grow bag to fold over the edges or seal in any manner. Then a small stand inside the bucket for the plant to sit on. This creates a sealed chamber like Moes fog totes.

Then an o2 source (concentrator) and you drill a 1/4 hole and run your line into the pail that delivers the o2 to the rootzone and forces it through the media. Because the grow bag is folded over the rim the o2 will have to permeate the media pushing co2 up out and forcing o2 through it at the level that the concentrators pushing out

Ideally the part of the grow bag folded over the pail would have a rubber strip to seal better but definitely not needed just a design improvement.

this is such a cool theory!!! i can picture it now,, a drum cut down to length with a cheap thin growbag suspended inside the drum with a 3-5 inch gap all the way around. top sealed off with some kind of up sizable neoprene collar to seal it to the stalk.

it would be a fun project!!

I’d probably use electrolysis for such a small qty.

can you elaborate on this a little please? ... electrolysis, like creating oxidation in the solution and that provides small amounts of extra O2?

 

[Observer]

haha definitely an assistant TO the man.. and in training at that.. hahaha



yea i'm one of those today too!!!! really nerding out on this thread today!!! mindblown!!

and i got Aqua Man on retainer too!!! kinda pricey but i get the canadian exchange rate!!



this is such a cool theory!!! i can picture it now,, a drum cut down to length with a cheap thin growbag suspended inside the drum with a 3-5 inch gap all the way around. top sealed off with some kind of up sizable neoprene collar to seal it to the stalk.

it would be a fun project!!

can you elaborate on this a little please? ... electrolysis, like creating oxidation in the solution and that provides small amounts of extra O2?

Yup

Separating hydrogen and Oxygen

Releasing oxygen molecules from hydrogen

 

[Stoneyluv]

Yup

Separating hydrogen and Oxygen

Releasing oxygen molecules from hydrogen

how would this be best achieved? like one in each plant site? rez? both? ... or would it be done in it's own vessel not in the solution and then captured and piped in?

sounds like something i might be interested in for my small system.

 

[Observer]

how would this be best achieved? like one in each plant site? rez? both? ... or would it be done in it's own vessel not in the solution and then captured and piped in?

sounds like something i might be interested in for my small system.

I thought the main problem with electrolysis is the metals and leeching.

Unless I'm thinking about something else.

I've briefly thought about doing it.

 

[moe.red]

how would this be best achieved? like one in each plant site? rez? both? ... or would it be done in it's own vessel not in the solution and then captured and piped in?

sounds like something i might be interested in for my small system.

Short version is 9v batt with 2 stainless electrodes in water. Hydrogen comes off one and half as much o2 off the other.

Put a bubble collection system in place over the electrodes

Exhaust hydrogen somewhere safe like outside. O 2 goes to plants.

Can be easily done with your basic high school chemistry lab crap.

 

[moe.red]

I think the main problem with electrolysis is the metals and leeching.

I've briefly thought about doing it.

Don’t feed the plants this water. Use it only to provide o2.

Pure o2 is the output. Plus maybe a little water vapor. No metals.

 

[Observer]

Don’t feed the plants this water. Use it only to provide o2.

Pure o2 is the output. Plus maybe a little water vapor. No metals.

Duh (not at you)

There it is

I've seen plenty of videos of DIY electrolysis and them capturing the hydrogen for torches, vice versa with the o2 and feed it into a resevoir.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Short version is 9v batt with 2 stainless electrodes in water. Hydrogen comes off one and half as much o2 off the other.

Put a bubble collection system in place over the electrodes

Exhaust hydrogen somewhere safe like outside. O 2 goes to plants.

Can be easily done with your basic high school chemistry lab crap.

very cool!!! something i can play around with for sure. have you ever tried this Moe?

 

[Aqua Man]

Only worry is explosions…. As Moe said make sure its vented well preferably putside.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Only worry is explosions…. As Moe said make sure its vented well preferably putside.

yea right, thanks man, we don't want any hindenburg action!!! at first when i read it i was like well what happens to all the hydrogen?? then i thought maybe it just wasn't enough to be concerned with, then Moe posts to vent it... risks for sure, i understand.

 

[moe.red]

Yes I’ve done it with beakers. Small scale.

The qty of o2 was not sufficient for my needs without making the thing big and upping risk.

But if you are only trying to put i2 around a substrate like soil in a bag seems like you would not need that much. I have not done the math.