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[SSHZ]

You can see "indica" written all over these..............

 

[Max]

Can visually see they have picked up the pace since a couple days ago.

 

[GoodShit97]

Your room is 2 sides right?
How big is the space?
Curious cause I'm getting a 4x8 and wonder how much I can stuff in that thing lol

I know I've read your room details somewhere, just god knows where lol.

 

[SSHZ]

The room is 4 x 12 approx., but i keep a 4 ft sq. in the center for the fan, dehumidifier and so i have room to water. The space under each led is 4 x 4 approx.....

Once i spread the plants out more, it will look better and come together to what you are used from me.........

 

[GoodShit97]

The room is 4 x 12 approx., but i keep a 4 ft sq. in the center for the fan, dehumidifier and so i have room to water. The space under each led is 4 x 4 approx.

Perfect thanks. So my plans of 18-24ish plants in a 4x8 seems totally possible based on what you're running.
My fans clip on the tent poles and my dehu is like 1 plant space so I think I'll get 18 in the summer and 24ish in the winter when the RH drops.

 

[SSHZ]

I found tremendous differences in the room running 18 plants vs. 24........temps, humidity, watering all had to be manipulated to get the temps near 80 degrees. Everything is strain specific though, i.e. shorter vs. taller, cal/mag whores vs. not, high ppm levers or not, and on and on.........just watch the room daily for things out of line. I purposely grew this strain knowing it would be more of a challenge than normal.

 

[GoodShit97]

Yeah my bedroom runs really warm in the summer months so it'll be an adventure for sure. I'm hoping that it'll be an easy one though since my 4x4 and 3x3 were already dialed in for this room, I'm hoping I won't have to play with too much to make it work out in the 4x8

 

[SSHZ]

I decided to go in the room and remove 1 set of the largest sun leaves ( 9 blades) on the tallest plants. This will hopefully open up more light to the branches underneath. I'll do the same thing again with one more set before flowering. I'll also move the tallest plant to one side, the shortest to the other. And no topping (obviously) this crop. 10ml Cal/Mag now to offset some of the leave rippling.......

 

[Franksta]

I'll give them 2 more weeks, do a defoliation opening them up a bit and then switch to flowering. I'm not obsessed with plant size as i know i can still get a great yield off shorty's. Removing 4 of the largest sun leaves on each plant will open them up quite a bit.......

I tend to think that shorter in veg is better anyhow, as long as the strain isn't a indica dominant cola monster of some sort. But even those risks can be mitigated with good environment control

 

[SSHZ]

Well, there's short and there's SHORT........these are the later. From those pics i posted above early in the thread, it does not seem to be a large plant anyway. I'll give them 5 weeks veg, but can't go any longer. As always, it will work itself out and things will be fine.

 

[SSHZ]

4 weeks done veg today.....

 

[Franksta]

Looks great. One of the strategies I used with situations like that is tucking in the fans daily so your lateral tips are seeing the light of day and not just covered over by the monster fans.

Especially in the middle level area. I can see them starting to stretch out a tad in the updated picture.

 

[SSHZ]

Yes, slowly.......i'll probably switch in another 6-7 days to flowering. On that day, I'll do some limited defoliation to open things up a bit. The smallest plants I hate to remove anything, figuring they need all the help they can get. The bushy girls will be fine. But, I don't see these stretching much in flowering. I want to make sure have enough branches so i get some yield too.

 

[SSHZ]

Wow, these plants look great....

 

[SSHZ]

So, i did a small defoliation today. starting with this.....

 

[SSHZ]

And removed these....

 

[SSHZ]

And it opened them up quite a bit.......4 of the largest sunleaves removed.

 

[Max]

You can probably see why I use stakes in my setup now.it was more to perk those wide branches up so it gives me more room between the plants plus helps those branches when they are loaded up with juicy buds from the 7 week mark onwards.
some of those are pretty big sshz and sorta remind me of the orange gasms girls in a way..

 

[SSHZ]

Yup, Sunday will be the first day of flowering. They still need a cleaning up, especially the very low stuff.

 

[SSgrower]

Well, there's short and there's SHORT........these are the later. From those pics i posted above early in the thread, it does not seem to be a large plant anyway. I'll give them 5 weeks veg, but can't go any longer. As always, it will work itself out and things will be fine.

Flip them girls, let em run! I say go flower! SS

 

[SSHZ]

Flowering day 1.........i did a thorough watering today, and pinched some more sun leaves off that were blocking light to below. The room is very healthy, they seem to be loving the nutrients as i've upped it to 720ppm. I'll eventually do some light lolipopping but I want to see if I'll get any stretch from these at all.

 

[Franksta]

Yeah I think there's definitely different strategy people use in achieving similar results keeping those side branches in play on this type of strain

It's the biggest concern IMO cause otherwise you end up with a massive central cola, which will really tap the end weight like you mentioned

The other thing that could be of benefit in there is keeping the air flow on the higher end so it's moving around a little more than usual

 

[Max]

Yeah agree.specially the short ones I tend to keep all branches bar a couple..I forgot another important reason why I use stakes is to position those branches where they will benefit more.moving branches sideways away from others and drive a stake in.short ones have to b defold more as everything is just in close proximity .

 

[Max]

Yeah I think there's definitely different strategy people use in achieving similar results keeping those side branches in play on this type of strain

It's the biggest concern IMO cause otherwise you end up with a massive central cola, which will really tap the end weight like you mentioned

The other thing that could be of benefit in there is keeping the air flow on the higher end so it's moving around a little more than usual

Where you been Franksta..hope all is well mate.

 

[SSHZ]

Rebounding quickly.......

 

[Max]

Beautiful mate..don’t they get going or what in flower mode.

 

[SSHZ]

So i ended up removing the largest 6-8 sun leaves off each plant the last few days........this in turn opens the side branches up to receive more light and grow better. I'm really happy how these responded, in their 2nd day of flowering. Tonight, after lights out, I'll spray the room and plants thoroughly with my peppermint/tea oil/alcohol mix i discussed last grow and i should be good to go........looking at the pic though, it looks like a few more leaves need to be removed shortly.

 

[SSHZ]

I can't remember the last video i did, or the last room full of indicas!

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[MDK]

They bushed up real quick for ya. Man looks like its gonna be sweet!

 

[SSHZ]

It continues to amaze me the impact on growth by removing the largest sun leaves and then the burst of growth from all the other leaves on the plants...........this all in just a few days.

I typically feed a higher ppm to indicas too, so i'll be mentioning that number often too.

 

[SSHZ]

MDK, i'll try and get your goodies mailed tomorrow buddy! And then message you the tracking number. And everyone is expecting a smoke report on the Mandarin Cookies too!

 

[MDK]

No hurries or worries dude you're the man sshz love watching the grows! If I remember right we got a BB event on the 20th I believe so I'll be sure to share with Moe and CannaGranny . Thanks again dude

Question, Ive adopted your solution that you said your going to spray tonight...ive usually backed off right before flip but the pupil has to ask the professor...im guessing tonight is ok because no buds have formed? This the last spray? Would it have effects on the stretch if sprayed in another handful of days prior to buds forming but in full on stretch mode? Thanks again

 

[SSHZ]

Sorry, I mispoke. I will wait 7-10 days and then spray..........not sure what i was thinking. I started getting my supplies together (sprayer, soap, etc.) and then realized my mistake.

But yes, it has to be before flowering begins since my spray is oil based. The oil will stunt pistol growth. This will be my only spray for the crop- plants, walls, pots, floor, tools, etc. I'll also put sticky yellow traps around to catch any possible gnats early.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I must've missed something... what are we spraying for?

 

[MDK]

I must've missed something... what are we spraying for?

Preventative measures

 

[GoodShit97]

I must've missed something... what are we spraying for?

One can never be too careful when it comes to bugs lol.

 

[SSHZ]

Here's the recipe again.........only spray in veg or early flowering- never in flowering with buds present.

2 qts. warm water
1/4 cup tea tree soap from Dr. Woods
1/4 cup of peppermint soap from Dr. Woods
1 tablespoon hydrogen peroxide
1 cup 70% alcohol (no higher)

Spray everything and everywhere. Kills most eggs and insects, plants love it though. Spray in dark, leave lights off for next 6 hours.............I leave a fan running in the room at low too.

 

[SiamSam]

Yeah agree.specially the short ones I tend to keep all branches bar a couple..I forgot another important reason why I use stakes is to position those branches where they will benefit more.moving branches sideways away from others and drive a stake in.short ones have to b defold more as everything is just in close proximity .

Max, I am doing the same technique (which I learned from Frankster and Dire Wolf) to open the plant as much as possible and push it to grow horizontally as much as possible.

 

[Max]

I’m not actually growing them horizontal..perhaps I should have worded it better..but I do know what you mean 100%.i use phototropism outdoors which actually promotes growth using the own plants stimulant in Auxins.auxins go to the dark side of the branch and promote elongation.I’ve used this technique for long time.you’ll have branches coming off your main branches too which get trained also.pretty much like scrogging.same effect,.I’ll probably do this indoors when I make room bigger.dunno when that will b ..lol.i gotta get permission lmao.

 

[kaw900r]

I'll give them 2 more weeks, do a defoliation opening them up a bit and then switch to flowering. I'm not obsessed with plant size as i know i can still get a great yield off shorty's. Removing 4 of the largest sun leaves on each plant will open them up quite a bit.......

I'm a big believer in defoliation