Zombie's Ganja Garden Of Happiness / Banter Boat

[ZombieRider]

Your well being 40ppm is basically equal to RO for most.
I would assume whatever it is that makes up 40 is insignificant as far as feedings go.
I would do your mixes with 40 being zero in my mind and mix to your chosen number plus the 40.

I have found with LEDS that mag deficiencies are common, but easily managed.
I would to have separate Ca and Mg.
My experience is Mg is needed to be supplemented more often than CA so adding both is not always better.

Do you mean I'd have to seperate the cal/mag to use both calimagic and epsom together? Unfortunately right now I only got the calimagic and flora trio so can't seperate cal and mag.

And yeah man 40ppm is negligible I guess. I could probably go a bit higher with the calmag in veg as I still had a little mag def here in there. Like you said LED's seem to give more mag def. I wonder what spectrum LED's are missing that causes this mag deficiency? THere's probably a chart somewhere that shows it.

 

[ZombieRider]

I only grow 2 crops a year so only on my 2nd crop will i limit calmag because my rez supplys both rooms for top up (rez is 3ml/gal cal mag). I add nutrients daily to the epicenter and will adjust calmag accordingly for what i think the plant wants/needs. I'm usually wrong lol.

8 ml per gal would be extremely high to finnish with imo, half my grows i finnish using 3 ml per gal.

Cal/mag usage is a tough one for me always has bean.

Basically calcium doesn't like anything and doesn't mix well with anything including magnesium

As Steamroller above just mentioned LED lighting is above my pay scale.

Word, two seperate crops then at once? That's actually cool because if one room, God forbid, get hermie or pm or some shite, the other spot might not be affected.

Yeah I noticed on that Mulder chart that Moe posted that Calcium doesn't get along with anything lol. Like wtf Calcium, if we didn't need you you'd be OUTTA here .

 

[dragonsflamegenetics]

You using RO? My well runs 40ppmish so i have to run some kind of mag supplement till the end i think.

@Aqua Man sorry to bombard you with questions lol. I think i already asked you this but i cant find/remeber your answer. Should i add the same amount of calimagic when i use the epsom salt since it has magnesium? Or should i cut the amount of calimagic in half and taper it out like Pipecarver is doing?

with RO especially supplemental cal mg is really needed as typically the water supply has some ppms of cal in it, obviously with the ro there wont be much left

 

[ZombieRider]

Peyote wifi, end of week 7. Still smelling like grape jelly

 

[GrumpAzz]

Do you mean I'd have to seperate the cal/mag to use both calimagic and epsom together? Unfortunately right now I only got the calimagic and flora trio so can't seperate cal and mag.

And yeah man 40ppm is negligible I guess. I could probably go a bit higher with the calmag in veg as I still had a little mag def here in there. Like you said LED's seem to give more mag def. I wonder what spectrum LED's are missing that causes this mag deficiency? THere's probably a chart somewhere that shows it.

I just made a trip last night for epsom. I've been using the gh trio with their calmag, but i've been noticing what, to me, looked like a mag deficiency. I had environmental problems as well, but we remedied those and I dosed her with epsom regardless. I didn't want to add any more calmag. That chart wigged me out too. What's up calcium?

 

[ZombieRider]

The candyclysm is on point too, smells like a skittles flavor they havent invented yet. Fricken massive nugs. Cannarado is a legit breeder just in case someone is looking for a seed breeder recommendation.

 

[smoke]

Word, two seperate crops then at once? That's actually cool because if one room, God forbid, get hermie or pm or some shite, the other spot might not be affected.

Yeah I noticed on that Mulder chart that Moe posted that Calcium doesn't get along with anything lol. Like wtf Calcium, if we didn't need you you'd be OUTTA here .

Sorry, my 2 grows a year happen back not at the same time

 

[ZombieRider]

I just made a trip last night for epsom. I've been using the gh trio with their calmag, but i've been noticing what, to me, looked like a mag deficiency. I had environmental problems as well, but we remedied those and I dosed her with epsom regardless. I didn't want to add any more calmag. That chart wigged me out too. What's up calcium?

Yeah ive done roliar sprays of epsom when i see mag def, seems to work well. Epsom has sulphur so better for terps too

 

[ZombieRider]

with RO especially supplemental cal mg is really needed as typically the water supply has some ppms of cal in it, obviously with the ro there wont be much left

Funny enough i measured the ppm's of my well water and im at 90ppm. I dont know where i was getting 40ppm lol. Still 90ppm aint bad but might be enough calmag in there to run epsom salt and nix the calimagic end of flower.

 

[ZombieRider]

Your well being 40ppm is basically equal to RO for most.
I would assume whatever it is that makes up 40 is insignificant as far as feedings go.
I would do your mixes with 40 being zero in my mind and mix to your chosen number plus the 40.

I have found with LEDS that mag deficiencies are common, but easily managed.
I would to have separate Ca and Mg.
My experience is Mg is needed to be supplemented more often than CA so adding both is not always better.

I just tested my water and its actually 90ppm not 40 (500 scale) lol. Stoner moment. With 8ml of calimagic im at 234ppm.

 

[ZombieRider]

I only grow 2 crops a year so only on my 2nd crop will i limit calmag because my rez supplys both rooms for top up (rez is 3ml/gal cal mag). I add nutrients daily to the epicenter and will adjust calmag accordingly for what i think the plant wants/needs. I'm usually wrong lol.

8 ml per gal would be extremely high to finnish with imo, half my grows i finnish using 3 ml per gal.

Cal/mag usage is a tough one for me always has bean.

Basically calcium doesn't like anything and doesn't mix well with anything including magnesium

As Steamroller above just mentioned LED lighting is above my pay scale.

I should clarify this is 8ml in a 4 gallon res. So 2ml per gallon of calmag. Thinking of running 2ml per gallon till week 9 then cutting calmag and using epsom salt instead for the mag. I figure the base nutes have enough calcium in them for the last two weeks. Going for 10-11 weeks of flower.

 

[B2ACG]

Hello All! I am gonna be sharing my grow's on here, as well as my musings whilst smoking doob's. Feel free to follow along as I learn to grow the dank, listen to some tunes and shoot the sh!t with you all.
Here are some shots from my past grow. I will post my current run later this evening.
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Is that the floraflex system

 

[ZombieRider]

Is that the floraflex system

Yup they are the 2 gallon floraflex pots. I usually use the bubbler too but ive been hand watering this round. Love the floraflex system though, especially on a lil drip table on buckets its easy af.

 

[ZombieRider]

So i havent shown any photos of the Kings Juice because honestly the other two plants have dominated the scrog. However what it lacks in yield it more than makes up for in terps and frostiness. She veg's like crap but ddddddddaaaaaamn she smells like a cup of pina colada that has been sitting out for a couple hours at room temp lol. I will keep her alive and hopefully her bud tastes awesome as it smells. Greenhouse seed co @Coco Lopez if you got these beans pop em soon this strain looks like a winner so far

 

[Rootsruler]

Yup they are the 2 gallon floraflex pots. I usually use the bubbler too but ive been hand watering this round. Love the floraflex system though, especially on a lil drip table on buckets its easy af.

I'm going to use the Matrix plates in place of my water rings. Are you using them? If so how do you like them? I'll be watering with mixed salt ferts so I'm curious if the salt buildup will be an issue dripping through the small holes in the plates.

 

[ZombieRider]

I'm going to use the Matrix plates in place of my water rings. Are you using them? If so how do you like them? I'll be watering with mixed salt ferts so I'm curious if the salt buildup will be an issue dripping through the small holes in the plates.

The matrix system looks pretty cool, i dont think the salt buildup would be and issue cuz your constantly washing away the old salt with nutrients every few hours. Though the holes look pretty tiny, so I'll be interested to see how it works for you.

I went with the flora cap 2.0 system because its what they had at the grow store at the time. Really happy with it though, works really well with the bubbler as well as for handwatering, nice and even water distribution. Also the pots are really good, tons of drainage. What nutrient line are you gonna feed em with?

 

[B2ACG]

I can post some pics if you want but the calcium def 2 weeks into flower is probably the number one easily spotted and preventable nute issue for us hydro growers.

I start day one with cal-mag too. But ramps up before the flip and then for about 3 weeks in. Start to back it down once flowers start forming.

I would be careful of using both cal mag and Epsom salt. I think you need the right ratio of cal and mag for it to work properly.

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That's Mulder's chart. You would think Cal and Mag are 2 peas in a pod, but they actually fight each other. If you get them out of balance, both will suffer.

My knowledge is all hydro so take it for what it is worth.

Now we talking..I've been showing this chart for years.. balance us key...

 

[B2ACG]

Now we talking..I've been showing this chart for years.. balance us key...

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[Rootsruler]

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So true. I said it before but I'll say it again. One of the things I've learned growing is that usually the problem isn't a deficiency so much as an imbalance. I've seen people dump nutes into their soil only to see things get worse. They don't realiaze that whatever they're putting in is being antagonistic to what they are "deficient" in. It's not that it's not in the soil so much as it's being antagonized by another ion and not being taken up by the plant.

 

[Rootsruler]

The matrix system looks pretty cool, i dont think the salt buildup would be and issue cuz your constantly washing away the old salt with nutrients every few hours. Though the holes look pretty tiny, so I'll be interested to see how it works for you.

I went with the flora cap 2.0 system because its what they had at the grow store at the time. Really happy with it though, works really well with the bubbler as well as for handwatering, nice and even water distribution. Also the pots are really good, tons of drainage. What nutrient line are you gonna feed em with?

I'll stick with my FloraNova nutes for now. I've used salt nutes the most so I have a decent amount of control I can exert with them whenever something is out of wack.

 

[ZombieRider]

So true. I said it before but I'll say it again. One of the things I've learned growing is that usually the problem isn't a deficiency so much as an imbalance. I've seen people dump nutes into their soil only to see things get worse. They don't realiaze that whatever they're putting in is being antagonistic to what they are "deficient" in. It's not that it's not in the soil so much as it's being antagonized by another ion and not being taken up by the plant.

starting to realize this. Not about changing ratios all the time but maintaining a balanced ratio with the right amount of npk to not have any lockout. I guess the plant just takes the N P K it needs so unessecary to adjust it all the time. Do you flush? Was thinking of just doing a 2 day flush for shts and gigs.

 

[Rootsruler]

starting to realize this. Not about changing ratios all the time but maintaining a balanced ratio with the right amount of npk to not have any lockout. I guess the plant just takes the N P K it needs so unessecary to adjust it all the time. Do you flush? Was thinking of just doing a 2 day flush for shts and gigs.

Unless it's critical I don't like flushing plants. Whenever I've done it in the past it just seems to shock the hell out of them and it takes too long to really get them vigorous again within the window before flip.

 

[ZombieRider]

Unless it's critical I don't like flushing plants. Whenever I've done it in the past it just seems to shock the hell out of them and it takes too long to really get them vigorous again within the window before flip.

Should have clarified flush before harvest.

 

[Rootsruler]

Should have clarified flush before harvest.

I don't like to flush except for in extreme cases where there is no other alternative. I taper my nutes at the end of flower and give them pure water for the last week or so. I guess you could call that flushing but as far as the traditional meaning which is to hard flush the soil of nutrients, I don't.

 

[ZombieRider]

I don't like to flush except for in extreme cases where there is no other alternative. I taper my nutes at the end of flower and give them pure water for the last week or so. I guess you could call that flushing but as far as the traditional meaning which is to hard flush the soil of nutrients, I don't.

Gotcha. I would kinda call that a "flush". What ppm's do you end up on before the pure water?

 

[moe.red]

Hey Zombie you healed up?

 

[Rootsruler]

Gotcha. I would kinda call that a "flush". What ppm's do you end up on before the pure water?

I'm usually around 200 - 300 ppm before I just go straight RO.

 

[ZombieRider]

Hey Zombie you healed up?

Sup bro, didn't see this until now. Thankfully healed up 99% though still a bit itchy, the jellow jackets are no joke. Thankfully it seems like the nest is gone from our dawn soap attack. On the plus side we got some eggplants, jalapenos, zucchini, basil giving some nice harvests. Tomorrow I'll post an update as its the start of week 9 for this grow. 2 weeks left! Im gonna take em after 10 weeks cuz I like a nice heady high .

Happy 4th!

 

[Neueregel]

Sup bro, didn't see this until now. Thankfully healed up 99% though still a bit itchy, the jellow jackets are no joke. Thankfully it seems like the nest is gone from our dawn soap attack. On the plus side we got some eggplants, jalapenos, zucchini, basil giving some nice harvests. Tomorrow I'll post an update as its the start of week 9 for this grow. 2 weeks left! Im gonna take em after 10 weeks cuz I like a nice heady high .

Happy 4th!

Happy 4th everyone.

 

[ZombieRider]

I'm usually around 200 - 300 ppm before I just go straight RO.

Word. Tomorrow is start of week 9 for me. Gonna go from 585 to 500 and then next week 250 then to close-to-RO levels (my ro system doesnt put out enough water to water these beasts lol). Then again I could mix in some RO to lower the ppm's a bit of my well water (like 80-90ppm).

 

[ZombieRider]

Happy 4th everyone.

Yo man! Happy 4th to you as well!

Its a chill one out here at the farm, just laying low staying away from the fricken heat. Its been 90 degree weather here last few days.

 

[Neueregel]

Yo man! Happy 4th to you as well!

Its a chill one out here at the farm, just laying low staying away from the fricken heat. Its been 90 degree weather here last few days.

yeah it's 90's here too. just jammin to some music and smoking me a bowl, while roaming the internet. haha

 

[Rootsruler]

Word. Tomorrow is start of week 9 for me. Gonna go from 585 to 500 and then next week 250 then to close-to-RO levels (my ro system doesnt put out enough water to water these beasts lol). Then again I could mix in some RO to lower the ppm's a bit of my well water (like 80-90ppm).

My thinking is at least one week before I cut them down I clear water so that the plants can use up whatever salts are left in the soil along with getting them to start using up the nutrient they have in their leaves.

 

[ZombieRider]

yeah it's 90's here too. just jammin to some music and smoking me a bowl, while roaming the internet. haha

Hell yeah fireworks are for people who dont like their fingers lmao.

 

[ZombieRider]

My thinking is at least one week before I cut them down I clear water so that the plants can use up whatever salts are left in the soil along with getting them to start using up the nutrient they have in their leaves.

This is in soil right? Cuz in coco I heard you dont need to flush nearly as long as soil since you can get to 0ppm in the soil pretty quick. Maybe Im wrong but thats what Ive been going off of. I was planning only flushing around 3 days @ lowest ppm I can get.

 

[Rootsruler]

This is in soil right? Cuz in coco I heard you dont need to flush nearly as long as soil since you can get to 0ppm in the soil pretty quick. Maybe Im wrong but thats what Ive been going off of. I was planning only flushing around 3 days @ lowest ppm I can get.

Yes. Soil.

I'm not a big proponent of "flushing" at the end of the run in any medium. The science doesn't support it nor does my own experience.

As far as coco I have limited experience. I've done maybe 10 - 15 runs with varying genetics. My experience has been that you don't need to "flush" for the reasons you posted. Coco doesn't hold onto nutrient like soil does hence no need to clear water to help the roots pull whatever nutrient is still left in the soil. For coco, I clear water for, max, a week for the plant to use up whatever food it has left in the leaves.

 

[ZombieRider]

Yes. Soil.

I'm not a big proponent of "flushing" at the end of the run in any medium. The science doesn't support it nor does my own experience.

As far as coco I have limited experience. I've done maybe 10 - 15 runs with varying genetics. My experience has been that you don't need to "flush" for the reasons you posted. Coco doesn't hold onto nutrient like soil does hence no need to clear water to help the roots pull whatever nutrient is still left in the soil. For coco, I clear water for, max, a week for the plant to use up whatever food it has left in the leaves.

Sup! Gotcha, 15 runs damn lol. So i guess we flush to make sure the plant uses up the rest of the nitrogen in the leaves then right?

 

[Rootsruler]

Sup! Gotcha, 15 runs damn lol. So i guess we flush to make sure the plant uses up the rest of the nitrogen in the leaves then right?

LOL! I sounds like a lot but in reality the runs were done together. I was managing an illegal warehouse grow and we were running five 40 ft flower room sea containers at a time. The owner preferred coco as the medium to run so I went with it. Learned a lot about coco on those runs. 3 runs 5 containers each.

Yeah. The whole idea of "flushing" in the beginning was for smoother smoke. My guess is someone broscienced it and it worked out him/her not understanding that it wasn't the clear water "flushing" nutrient out of the flower per se that was giving you the smoother smoke so much as the tapering down of available nutrient that each successive clear water watering was bringing to the plant reducing the amount of nutrient still in the plant at harvest. At some point in the "flush" the ion balance in the soil wasn't enough to supply the plant with what it was receiving prior so it starts cannabilizing the leaves to continue feeding itself the amount of nutrients it is used to receiving. This also coincides with the genetic markers that the plant has in regards to senescence so since we know this or that cultivar comes to maturity within this timeframe we're helping the senescence along by tapering nutes.

Broscience alert***** I believe that tapering nutes introduces another stressor for the plant helping improve flower production. I have absolutely no science to back this up other than my intuition and the little I've learned along the way.

 

[ZombieRider]

LOL! I sounds like a lot but in reality the runs were done together. I was managing an illegal warehouse grow and we were running five 40 ft flower room sea containers at a time. The owner preferred coco as the medium to run so I went with it. Learned a lot about coco on those runs. 3 runs 5 containers each.

Yeah. The whole idea of "flushing" in the beginning was for smoother smoke. My guess is someone broscienced it and it worked out him/her not understanding that it wasn't the clear water "flushing" nutrient out of the flower per se that was giving you the smoother smoke so much as the tapering down of available nutrient that each successive clear water watering was bringing to the plant reducing the amount of nutrient still in the plant at harvest. At some point in the "flush" the ion balance in the soil wasn't enough to supply the plant with what it was receiving prior so it starts cannabilizing the leaves to continue feeding itself the amount of nutrients it is used to receiving. This also coincides with the genetic markers that the plant has in regards to senescence so since we know this or that cultivar comes to maturity within this timeframe we're helping the senescence along by tapering nutes.

Broscience alert***** I believe that tapering nutes introduces another stressor for the plant helping improve flower production. I have absolutely no science to back this up other than my intuition and the little I've learned along the way.

Ok well that massive coco run definitely got you an achievement of some sort, learning experience for sure.
Yeah im starting to understand what flushing is and its like your saying more of the cannabilism thing vs somehow washing away nutes.
Im starting to taper off currently, just givig them less calmag let me get 85 less ppm. Will slowly go down to 250-0 end of the grow.

 

[ZombieRider]

So here are some photo's of the girls at the start of week 9. All these strains take about 10 weeks, so we have 2 maybe 2.5 weeks left.

I cut out half my calmag and left the rest of the nutes the same for 500ppm. I will slowly cut out all cal-mag next few days then start running epsom salt at .5ml per gallon for a week, then run as low ppm water i can for 3 days then harvest.

@Moe.Red @Aqua Man is now a good time to start incorporating epsom salt? I plan to use it when i nix out all the calmag.

Anyway here they are, looking and smelling fricken amazing. The peyote wifi has a strong grape jelly smell that is gonna be amazing smoke if it tastes at all like it smells. There are two candyclysm plants and one is the clear winner, howevee the other one is so different that the other candyclysm im curious as to how it will turn out. The terps on the pretty candyclysm is straight fuel and candy. The kings juice in the back is the smelliest and stickiest but her yield is less. Anyway hope everyone had a good fourth of july weekend. Peace!