First Time.

[GrumpAzz]

Your using GH? Let me look up the chart and compare

Yeah. For the next res change I was going to shoot for the middle between early and late growth.

 

[Aqua Man]

Yeah. For the next res change I was going to shoot for the middle between early and late growth.
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I would do that and not add anything else… i think it’s probably a ratio thing

 

[GrumpAzz]

I would do that and not add anything else… i think it’s probably a ratio thing

I'll have to throw in some calmag. Only other previous additives would be the silicate base, mr fulvic and orca.

 

[Aqua Man]

I'll have to throw in some calmag. Only other previous additives would be the silicate base, mr fulvic and orca.

Why cal mag?

 

[GrumpAzz]

Why cal mag?

I thought it was a necessity when using RO. My starting ppms are 0 after the RO/DI filters.

 

[smoke]

That’s just me though

I like to see others thoughts, just too many ways to do this. Some work some don't, if it ain't broke

 

[smoke]

i think it’s probably a ratio thing

It is a ratio thing imo, that's why i do a system change because the ratios change and they stop eating it.

 

[GrumpAzz]

It is a ratio thing imo, that's why i do a system change because the ratios change and they stop eating it.

That's why I was headed towards a res change. I can't tell where we're at with that, so a clean slate made since.

 

[Aqua Man]

I thought it was a necessity when using RO. My starting ppms are 0 after the RO/DI filters.

Then use 1/4 dose… I believe they are designed for RO. But with LED you may see a slight need for it

 

[Aqua Man]

That's why I was headed towards a res change. I can't tell where we're at with that, so a clean slate made since.

Yea i would do a complete water change

 

[Aqua Man]

I like to see others thoughts, just too many ways to do this. Some work some don't, if it ain't broke

Imo nutrients are tinkered with to much and all these changing ratios is not needed. Until you establish a base line i suggest NOT tinkering with ratios. Start in the middle and stay there. Personally i feel this is the biggest reason ppl see issues. More complex must be better kinda thing…. Its just not the case.

While some benefits can be made more harm is usually done. And without a baseline you have no idea as to what may benefit.

 

[moe.red]

Ok so you went 3/2/1 as far as the trio goes.
Yeah I would've called it purple but I remember seeing at the Farm some time ago where it was being referred to as brown.

I’m never living that down. So maybe a little color blind?

 

[moe.red]

Imo nutrients are tinkered with to much and all these changing ratios is not needed. Until you establish a base line i suggest NOT tinkering with ratios. Start in the middle and stay there. Personally i feel this is the biggest reason ppl see issues. More complex must be better kinda thing…. Its just not the case.

While some benefits can be made more harm is usually done. And without a baseline you have no idea as to what may benefit.

Sage advice.

I’ve said this 100 times goal is to keep it on the fairway. Follow a middle of tre road approach with nutes. And do not over feed.

Easiest way to ensure no nute issues is res change weekly and lower than recommended ppm per the gh chart but same ratios as listed.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Sage advice.

I’ve said this 100 times goal is to keep it on the fairway. Follow a middle of tre road approach with nutes. And do not over feed.

Easiest way to ensure no nute issues is res change weekly and lower than recommended ppm per the gh chart but same ratios as listed.

We've been going on this batch of nutes for more than a month now. The sickly leaves showed up almost two weeks ago. Aqua got me straightened out with the tent environment and I have since added a bit of epsom. Maybe .75g/gal total in two treatments. I haven't amended whatsoever otherwise. The top-feed is quarter strength nute mix that's mostly RO and 5 gallons of the first batch of nutes that was around 350 ppm. Top-off res is nearly empty so that's what got me wanting to do a res change. This discussion has reaffirmed that. I have a batch of silicate sitting idle for now and I'll mix a new round of nutes tomorrow. She's pushing a gallon per day now and is almost due for a lollipopping and a new light schedule.

I'd say we're doing pretty darn good, guys. All your help is much appreciated. She's gonna produce, no doubt. I'm shopping around for a dehuey and another fan. Bud rot is my current paranoia

 

[smoke]

Imo nutrients are tinkered with to much and all these changing ratios is not needed. Until you establish a base line i suggest NOT tinkering with ratios. Start in the middle and stay there. Personally i feel this is the biggest reason ppl see issues. More complex must be better kinda thing…. Its just not the case.

While some benefits can be made more harm is usually done. And without a baseline you have no idea as to what may benefit.

Our approach using gh 3 part hasn't changed in 10 years, 321 in veg, 222 transition 7 days, 123 flower.
I have mentioned to my wife that we always seem to limp home from week 5. She says everything looks good from the highway

 

[GrumpAzz]

What's stopping me from hanging a box fan from the tent ceiling? I'm positive I've got the space above the light. Hell... what's stopping me from supporting a box fan with my bar light?

 

[GrumpAzz]

Snuck a peek at the root system while the water was being swapped.

Ended up at 690 ppms with a 4/4/2 ratio on the trio. Added .5ml/gal CalMag and a couple pinches of epsom, roughly .5g/gal. Orca and fulvic were added tonthe plant res after the swap at 1ml/gal.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Current state of the room.
79-80*
55-56%

And the water.
690 ppm
70-72*
5.8 pH

Using the two smaller fans to push the heater and humidifier up and away from the plant and I added a 20 inch box fan directly above it all.

Roots looked pretty dark after the change but there's a lot more brown in the mix this time around.
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[Aqua Man]

Current state of the room.
79-80*
55-56%

And the water.
690 ppm
70-72*
5.8 pH

Using the two smaller fans to push the heater and humidifier up and away from the plant and I added a 20 inch box fan directly above it all.

Roots looked pretty dark after the change but there's a lot more brown in the mix this time around.
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Point those fans away from the plants… they will get wind burned. Aim along the walls to make a cyclone type effect that will give you the best air mixing

 

[GrumpAzz]

Point those fans away from the plants… they will get wind burned. Aim along the walls to make a cyclone type effect that will give you the best air mixing

Word I'll turn them a little bit. My main objective with how they're aimed was to keep the heater from hitting the plant. Twisting them a bit should still accomplish that, yeah?

Is that too much airflow from above? Because that new ceiling fan is on low.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Word I'll turn them a little bit. My main objective with how they're aimed was to keep the heater from hitting the plant. Twisting them a bit should still accomplish that, yeah?

Is that too much airflow from above? Because that new ceiling fan is on low.

I sucked it up a little tighter to the ceiling which limited the airflow a bit. I'll keep an eye on heat from the motor.

 

[Rootsruler]

I've been looking for a tower fan with heat function and thermostat that I can program to do "fan only" unless it hits a particular temperature that activates the heater when it gets colder than I would like. So far I haven't found one.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I've been looking for a tower fan with heat function and thermostat that I can program to do "fan only" unless it hits a particular temperature that activates the heater when it gets colder than I would like. So far I haven't found one.

My leaf temps were nearly 5 degrees warmer on the heater side so I moved a smaller fan down and hung that box fan from the ceiling. My aim is to keep the heater from directly heating the plant.

 

[Rootsruler]

My leaf temps were nearly 5 degrees warmer on the heater side so I moved a smaller fan down and hung that box fan from the ceiling. My aim is to keep the heater from directly heating the plant.

The tower fan I'm looking for will oscillate. One of the reasons I'm looking at a tower fan is so that I can eliminate having 2 fans in the tent. I'm planning on mounting it in one of the corners and have it sweep across the top of the canopy while still moving air through the canopy and under the canopy at the same time. My only issue is if that will be enough air movement at the other corner of the 5 x 5.

I currently have a Honeywell Turbo Force fan I use for air circulation. I like the build quality and the amount of air it moves but it doesn't oscillate. If the tower fan doesn't work I'll go with the same Honeywell fan but the oscillating model. I'll hang it upside down on the roof and point it towards the top of the canopy to get good air flow through the canopy along with getting some branch sway to strengthen the branches. The stationary Honeywell will do undercanopy duty.

For heat I'll have to run an inkbird or similar T-stat and run a small heater inside the tent to keep temps in range on lights out.

 

[GrumpAzz]

The tower fan I'm looking for will oscillate. One of the reasons I'm looking at a tower fan is so that I can eliminate having 2 fans in the tent. I'm planning on mounting it in one of the corners and have it sweep across the top of the canopy while still moving air through the canopy and under the canopy at the same time. My only issue is if that will be enough air movement at the other corner of the 5 x 5.

I currently have a Honeywell Turbo Force fan I use for air circulation. I like the build quality and the amount of air it moves but it doesn't oscillate. If the tower fan doesn't work I'll go with the same Honeywell fan but the oscillating model. I'll hang it upside down on the roof and point it towards the top of the canopy to get good air flow through the canopy along with getting some branch sway to strengthen the branches. The stationary Honeywell will do undercanopy duty.

For heat I'll have to run an inkbird or similar T-stat and run a small heater inside the tent to keep temps in range on lights out.

I've got two 9" fans pushing the heat up around with a 20" box fan pointed straight down onto the canopy, now. I was running with the two smaller fans until today when I revamped how it all layed out. I'll check leaf temps tomorrow after work and hopefully I can close the gap.

Tower fans will surely be incorporated into the next grow. I'll have to check back in with ya to see if you got it figured out when the time comes.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Nearly all of my tops have been tucked. All that have been tucked have turned up except for two. They'll turn tomorrow, surely. I moved the light up to 28 inches above the screen and raised intensity to 27%. 28 inches to allow the shoots to grow 4" and remain at least 24" from the light. My squares are 3x3 so 4 inches gives them length to tuck.

I'm flying by the seat of my pants here. I gave her another trim last night. How long should I wait for a lollipopping? Can I FIM the tops at the same time?

Top shot

 

[Aqua Man]

Nearly all of my tops have been tucked. All that have been tucked have turned up except for two. They'll turn tomorrow, surely. I moved the light up to 28 inches above the screen and raised intensity to 27%. 28 inches to allow the shoots to grow 4" and remain at least 24" from the light. My squares are 3x3 so 4 inches gives them length to tuck.

I'm flying by the seat of my pants here. I gave her another trim last night. How long should I wait for a lollipopping? Can I FIM the tops at the same time?

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Are you doing @CannaGranny scrog?

 

[GrumpAzz]

Are you doing @CannaGranny scrog?

Sorta. She smashed down a screen on a much more mature plant. I'm kind of following her methodology with topping twice and FIMing before flip, but my screen and tucking isn't in line with her method. It's what I picked up from a "scrog tutorial" long before I popped my first bean.

 

[Aqua Man]

Can you take a shot further back… looks to me like you ready to flip possibility already

 

[GrumpAzz]

Can you take a shot further back… looks to me like you ready to flip possibility already

I've been thinking about running and tucking everything until the screen is nearly full before flipping. I'm just ignorant to what happens during "stretch" so I figured I'd let it happen vertically.