First Time.

[smoke]

Smells good from here...nice clean grow work. HEY always use rubber gloves or some kind of gloves....right? Gotta have protection...

I have never handled cannabis with gloves on.

 

[GrumpAzz]

You are killin it bro
Frosty as fk in there too

Plucked another 50+ sacs tonight. Some of them things seem to form right inside a calyx. Gotta have a keen eye for those. Damn.

2 hours is easy to spend plucking in the there with the night crossings and hearts of space segments on public radio. I need to donate sometime.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I have never handled cannabis with gloves on.

I don't own a pair of gloves. We get frigid winters here in the midwest a lot of the times too. I might buy a pair after I see some frostbite.

Twisting wirenuts and little machine screws is nearly impossible with any kind of decent glove. I learned a cool trick in Colorado, though. A pair of latex gloves under a pair of thin gloves with the dipped palms works like a charm. No air to breath so your hands will actually sweat in there. Just don't pull em out

 

[ninjadip]

Smells good from here...nice clean grow work. HEY always use rubber gloves or some kind of gloves....right? Gotta have protection...

My wife has told me twice in the past few months my ... Tasted like weed after messing around.

Can't help but laugh inside

 

[Rootsruler]

I don't own a pair of gloves. We get frigid winters here in the midwest a lot of the times too. I might buy a pair after I see some frostbite.

Twisting wirenuts and little machine screws is nearly impossible with any kind of decent glove. I learned a cool trick in Colorado, though. A pair of latex gloves under a pair of thin gloves with the dipped palms works like a charm. No air to breath so your hands will actually sweat in there. Just don't pull em out

Off topic but an electrical question. When you twist wirenuts onto your wires do you tape the nut to the wire to keep any errant wires from escaping the wirenut connection?

 

[GrumpAzz]

Off topic but an electrical question. When you twist wirenuts onto your wires do you tape the nut to the wire to keep any errant wires from escaping the wirenut connection?

I do not. Sometimes I'll tape outdoor nuts but that's just for peace of mind. Most of what we use is solid wire so a good three twists with the proper strip length and you shouldn't have anything tonwory about. Stranded wire is a bit different. I slowly twist the nut while inserting the wires. You don't want any stray strands getting pushed out.

Take proper care in the process and tape should be absolutely unnecessary.

 

[GoodShit97]

I do not. Sometimes I'll tape outdoor nuts but that's just for peace of mind. Most of what we use is solid wire so a good three twists with the proper strip length and you shouldn't have anything tonwory about. Stranded wire is a bit different. I slowly twist the nut while inserting the wires. You don't want any stray strands getting pushed out.

Take proper care in the process and tape should be absolutely unnecessary.

Yep, totally agree. I've never had to tape a wire nut. I dont even tape outdoor unless braided wire

 

[Rootsruler]

I guess I'm just paranoid. Two of my Aunts and a cousin died in a fire that was caused by an improperly wired bathroom light. I always try and tape my wire nuts regardless. I'm always afraid that when I stuff them back into the junction box one of the wires will work itself loose and make contact with another.

 

[Pipecarver]

I guess I'm just paranoid. Two of my Aunts and a cousin died in a fire that was caused by an improperly wired bathroom light. I always try and tape my wire nuts regardless. I'm always afraid that when I stuff them back into the junction box one of the wires will work itself loose and make contact with another.

then you're not making a good splice. I make a physical splice with the wires and twist the caps on. I've seen some electricians use the cap as the splice by just putting 3 wires together then twist the wires with the cap.......relying on the cap for the connection....... I rarely add tape to the cap unless outside or the connection is exposed in temporary wiring.

 

[Rootsruler]

then you're not making a good splice. I make a physical splice with the wires and twist the caps on. I've seen some electricians use the cap as the splice by just putting 3 wires together then twist the wires with the cap.......relying on the cap for the connection....... I rarely add tape to the cap unless outside or the connection is exposed in temporary wiring.

How do you splice your wires? Are you talking about solid wiring or stranded? For stranded wire butt connections I'll intertwine them and drop some solder and a shrink sleeve on them but for lamp style connections where I'm installing a lamp with stranded wires to a solid wire I'll put the stranded wire in the nut first taking care there are no stray filaments then push in the solid. Once they're both in I'll twist and tape the nut to the wire so that any errant wire that gets loose doesn't somehow work its way into one of the other connections in the junction box.

I'm probably just being paranoid but that's the way I do it.

 

[GrumpAzz]

How do you splice your wires? Are you talking about solid wiring or stranded? For stranded wire butt connections I'll intertwine them and drop some solder and a shrink sleeve on them but for lamp style connections where I'm installing a lamp with stranded wires to a solid wire I'll put the stranded wire in the nut first taking care there are no stray filaments then push in the solid. Once they're both in I'll twist and tape the nut to the wire so that any errant wire that gets loose doesn't somehow work its way into one of the other connections in the junction box.

I'm probably just being paranoid but that's the way I do it.

Nothing wrong with going above and beyond when it comes to electrical work.

 

[Moshmen]

I don't own a pair of gloves. We get frigid winters here in the midwest a lot of the times too. I might buy a pair after I see some frostbite.

Twisting wirenuts and little machine screws is nearly impossible with any kind of decent glove. I learned a cool trick in Colorado, though. A pair of latex gloves under a pair of thin gloves with the dipped palms works like a charm. No air to breath so your hands will actually sweat in there. Just don't pull em out

We do this when racing motocross in the early spring or late fall as you say works fucking great been doin it since the eighty’s with vinyl gloves !

 

[GrumpAzz]

A plucked a lot less tonight. Hopefully the sacs are coming to an end.

I'm starting to catch a creamy undertone to the lemon dank that smacks me when I open the tent. If it tastes anything like it smells, this one could be yummy.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Hey @Bandit420..

I've seen you say a couple times that red pistils early on means it's been pollinated. Is that always the case?

I ask because I've been battling a hermie and sometimes I've gotta reach in pretty deep to get the sacs. I've got a lot of reddening pistils. Is there a chance that me touching them can also kill them off? Please say yes . If not, I'm gonna be picking seeds out of nearly every one of these buds.

Either way, I think this will be some killer bud, seeds or not. Very strong citrus odor with a sour yet creamy undertone. Can't wait to try her out. Today was the 28th or 9th day from flip so I've got another month or so to go.

Little video update and a shot of the roots.
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[GrumpAzz]

How are my roots lookin' @Moe.Red?

 

[moe.red]

How are my roots lookin' @Moe.Red?

A little more brown than I would like personally.

How is the ph doing? Any idea on res temp?

 

[GrumpAzz]

A little more brown than I would like personally.

How is the ph doing? Any idea on res temp?

Res temp stays 69-71. PH stays pretty stable once it levels out. My top-off is a little higher than the lower res but it's mostly RO. Ppms at 660-670.

I'm due for a change either tonight or tomorrow as the top-off is nearly empty and she drinks at least a gallon and a quarter every day. I'll grab a picture of my notes when I get home tonight.

 

[moe.red]

Not overly concerned, some salts can stain roots. Iron in Micro is an example.

About the red hairs - yes you can damage them. Spraying with sulfur makes them look like that too.

If you get seeds, oh well. Shit happens, and the experience is good to have. Next time be picky with the genetics and I'll bet this will be in your rear view mirror in future grows.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Not overly concerned, some salts can stain roots. Iron in Micro is an example.

About the red hairs - yes you can damage them. Spraying with sulfur makes them look like that too.

If you get seeds, oh well. Shit happens, and the experience is good to have. Next time be picky with the genetics and I'll bet this will be in your rear view mirror in future grows.

Oh this was a light leak issue, I'm pretty sure. I don't know what the hell I was thinking but my flexduct intake has tons of pinholes in the foil.

This is from outside the tent...

The brown seemed to get more pronounced when I first fed her more than 700ppms.

 

[Rootsruler]

Oh this was a light leak issue, I'm pretty sure. I don't know what the hell I was thinking but my flexduct intake has tons of pinholes in the foil.

This is from outside the tent...
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The brown seemed to get more pronounced when I first fed her more than 700ppms.

I rattle can black the first foot of my duct in case any light gets into the ducting.

 

[GrumpAzz]

@Moe.Red, This is what went into the mix this time around and each day's changes. Gonna do a nute change tonight. She won't make it another day. Bout to suck the top-feed dry. I read of people's plants drinking a gallon a day and I guess I just had to see it to believe it. She's a thirsty sumbitch.

 

[moe.red]

@Moe.Red, This is what went into the mix this time around and each day's changes. Gonna do a nute change tonight. She won't make it another day. Bout to suck the top-feed dry. I read of people's plants drinking a gallon a day and I guess I just had to see it to believe it. She's a thirsty sumbitch.
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Yes it’s the grow style. I have exceeded 10 gals a day across 6 plants in a 4x8. That’s why I have a huge dehumidifier. The plants can become self limiting by throwing out VPD. If you get outside the optimal range of humidity / leaf temp it slows the plant down. Or causes other issues. Slowing the plant down lol. So it results in a smaller harvest unless you deal with it.

If you have the dehuey and AC nuts to keep the environment dialed in no matter what the plants transpire, you are effectively unlocking the best the genetics can offer.

With the right multi plant setup in your space you should expect a lot more than a gallon a day you have to somehow get out of the air. Something to start planning for now if you are scaling up your next grow.

 

[Rootsruler]

That bucket of pasta you have is drinking like crazy!

Like Moe said. If you can get control of your environment, you can max out your genetics.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Oh this was a light leak issue, I'm pretty sure. I don't know what the hell I was thinking but my flexduct intake has tons of pinholes in the foil.

I've seen this in my duct too. Never did anything and never had an issue that I know of.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Yes it’s the grow style. I have exceeded 10 gals a day across 6 plants in a 4x8. That’s why I have a huge dehumidifier. The plants can become self limiting by throwing out VPD. If you get outside the optimal range of humidity / leaf temp it slows the plant down. Or causes other issues. Slowing the plant down lol. So it results in a smaller harvest unless you deal with it.

If you have the dehuey and AC nuts to keep the environment dialed in no matter what the plants transpire, you are effectively unlocking the best the genetics can offer.

With the right multi plant setup in your space you should expect a lot more than a gallon a day you have to somehow get out of the air. Something to start planning for now if you are scaling up your next grow.

Dehuey in the lung room has a little room to spare. It's not quite running continuously. The exhaust in the tent is at half speed with the inline intake on low. I think it'll be a couple grows before I scale up the plant count.

That bucket of pasta you have is drinking like crazy!

Like Moe said. If you can get control of your environment, you can max out your genetics.

That's when I need to be spending some serious cheddar on beans. So far, the tent stays within parameters consistently. Better than I could've imagined.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I've seen this in my duct too. Never did anything and never had an issue that I know of.

I'm pretty sure this all happened the week I took vacation because I didn't wake up and shut off the lab light.

Maybe it's genetics but I have no problem taking the blame.

 

[moe.red]

Dehuey in the lung room has a little room to spare. It's not quite running continuously. The exhaust in the tent is at half speed with the inline intake on low. I think it'll be a couple grows before I scale up the plant count.

That's when I need to be spending some serious cheddar on beans. So far, the tent stays within parameters consistently. Better than I could've imagined.

I forget where you are. What's it like outside there today? We had a heat index in the 110s. Brutal.

 

[moe.red]

I'm pretty sure this all happened the week I took vacation because I didn't wake up and shut off the lab light.

Maybe it's genetics but I have no problem taking the blame.

Do you see any evidence of reveg? Like losing number of blades?

It's impossible to know now, but I would suspect genetics over the light leak as your source. Or put another way I'm pretty sure something known stable would not grow hermie in those conditions. Seems no more than moonlight to me. But hard to tell from a picture.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I forget where you are. What's it like outside there today? We had a heat index in the 110s. Brutal.

Central Kansas. Whoops I finally admitted it .

It got to 107 today and with the lights off it peaked at 75.3. Humidity hasn't broke 60 yet and really only gets that high immediately after I shower (gotta go through my lung room to get to my bathroom). It almost never gets over 56%. I even sleep in the lung room because me and the lady have completely different temperature tolerances. Lights on period is 6pm to 6am. Lights off it's pretty stable at 51%. It could go lower but then my humidifier runs a lot more. That seems counterproductive.

Do you see any evidence of reveg? Like losing number of blades?

It's impossible to know now, but I would suspect genetics over the light leak as your source. Or put another way I'm pretty sure something known stable would not grow hermie in those conditions. Seems no more than moonlight to me. But hard to tell from a picture.

Everyone has at least 5 blades, from what I can see. I'll go in and get a better look when I do the res change later. She seems to be steadily packing on the buds and the smell is stronger every day. I haven't seen any new growth aside from the budsites and ballsacks. I'm finding less sacs every time I go on the hunt.

It just so happens that when I open the door to the tent room, indirect sunlight pierces through the hinge side and beams straight at the intake. Maybe it was the UV? I did go in there for a dab or two here and there during my week off which coincides with the sacs showing up.

When I jumped in the tent and checked for leaks, I turned on the light and opened the door, just to test. I agree though, it was a very faint glow coming in. I have since turned my fans down. Could wind speed be the culprit?

Either way.. I planned on a different strain this next round. Hopefully I'll land this powerplant job cuz I have a couple Power Plant beans I got as freebies. They'll be my next grow if all goes to plan. Purely for the irony.

 

[GrumpAzz]

It's impossible to know now, but I would suspect genetics over the light leak as your source. Or put another way I'm pretty sure something known stable would not grow hermie in those conditions. Seems no more than moonlight to me. But hard to tell from a pipicture.

It's also not a stabilized strain, to my knowledge. It's from Humbolt's phenohunter line. I have several strains from their phenohunts but have been eyeballing dfg's beans. Also saw another guy I'm thinking of purchasing from. E2AC something or other .

ETA: B2ACG is the other guy.

 

[moe.red]

It just so happens that when I open the door to the tent room, indirect sunlight pierces through the hinge side and beams straight at the intake. Maybe it was the UV? I did go in there for a dab or two here and there during my week off which coincides with the sacs showing up.

Either way.. I planned on a different strain this next round. Hopefully I'll land this powerplant job cuz I have a couple Power Plant beans I got as freebies. They'll be my next grow if all goes to plan. Purely for the irony.

Do you run your lights at night? If you run them same as daytime I would not expect the sun to be the source of light leaks that would cause any issue.

Funny thing about UV - it will absolutely not make it thru that bent tube. full absorption across the spectrum on virtually any surface it touches and almost no reflections. Hell you can't even get UVB to go thru a pane of glass.

But even if it did - UV does not cause hermies or outdoor gardens would not be a thing Some of us even run UVA and UVB on purpose.

Good luck on the job. I'd like to find a new gig too, something like retirement sounds good.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Do you run your lights at night? If you run them same as daytime I would not expect the sun to be the source of light leaks that would cause any issue.

During veg I ran lights on at 430 am and off at 1030pm. Switched to flower with lights on at 6pm and off at 6am. Helps control the temps and allowed me to check the plant before and after work. So to answer your question; No. It's dark in the tent during the day.

Funny thing about UV - it will absolutely not make it thru that bent tube. full absorption across the spectrum on virtually any surface it touches and almost no reflections. Hell you can't even get UVB to go thru a pane of glass.

very interesting info. I haven't done any research on UV but I knew some add it to their spectrum.

But even if it did - UV does not cause hermies or outdoor gardens would not be a thing Some of us even run UVA and UVB on purpose.

Good luck on the job. I'd like to find a new gig too, something like retirement sounds good.

Thanks man. I'm only 34 but I'm over this manual labor crap. We're stretched so thin that most of us running jobs are working harder than our helpers. My body is just getting beat up much sooner than I'd have expected. This place offers retirement AND a pension. I'm just the right age to put in 30 years there and retire with a hell of a salary. I'm serious enough about it that I'm expecting to go from a daily smoker of the last 16 years to possibly giving it up altogether. Random swabs scare me when we're talking pension.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Man, Hydro is great. Mixing a batch of nutes every couple weeks and watching the pH/ppms seems a lot easier than mixing and checking all that plus runoff however many times a week. Factor in however many times a day soil growers gotta water and it seems like a no-brainer for me, especially with having a 16 month old to look after. I don't know how they have the time.

I supposed it's a higher startup cost but dang... ease and peace of mind has made up for the dollars in the beginning. Get the pH to stabilize and it's smooth sailing.

Hopefully Moe's hydro vs soil grow shows a minimal difference in terps. If that's the case, like I said, no-brainer.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Man this app is cool.

 

[Scotty 420]

Man, Hydro is great. Mixing a batch of nutes every couple weeks and watching the pH/ppms seems a lot easier than mixing and checking all that plus runoff however many times a week. Factor in however many times a day soil growers gotta water and it seems like a no-brainer for me, especially with having a 16 month old to look after. I don't know how they have the time.

I supposed it's a higher startup cost but dang... ease and peace of mind has made up for the dollars in the beginning. Get the pH to stabilize and it's smooth sailing.

Hopefully Moe's hydro vs soil grow shows a minimal difference in terps. If that's the case, like I said, no-brainer.

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Funny thing is as an organic soil grower I look at those 2 pages of notes & think "holy cow that looks like a lot of work". Meanwhile I mix like 3 ingredients into water at fixed ratios CannaGranny told me to use & feed/water them about every 4-5 days. The only thing I track is when I feed vs just water. Now watering does take entirely too long (like 2 hours to water 6 plants) & that's the one thing I would like to improve eventually is a way to automate that process, but otherwise I feel like organic soil growing is about as "hands off" as it gets.

 

[Cool_Beans]

Notes are optional lol

 

[GrumpAzz]

Funny thing is as an organic soil grower I look at those 2 pages of notes & think "holy cow that looks like a lot of work". Meanwhile I mix like 3 ingredients into water at fixed ratios CannaGranny told me to use & feed/water them about every 4-5 days. The only thing I track is when I feed vs just water. Now watering does take entirely too long (like 2 hours to water 6 plants) & that's the one thing I would like to improve eventually is a way to automate that process, but otherwise I feel like organic soil growing is about as "hands off" as it gets.

Those two pages were a couple weeks of me tracking pH and ppm movements. It's my first grow so I'm hoping to just build a record to look back on for reference. I just transpose from meter to paper twice a day while I'm already in the room anyway. The notes are mostly for when I encounter an issue and one of the pros asks me about recent changes. That way I can give them whatever info they'd need to give me an informed answer.

Not trying to discredit or disagree. I'm just thinking after a few grows, the notes will be less of a necessity.

Realistically, when I understand the ratios, I won't need to write anything down. I log what goes into the res and how it affects pH and ppms so I can do the same thing each time instead of trying to remember how many mL of what was added when and in what order.

Knowing the ppm bump from each nutes will help when I see a deficiency. A pro may say something like "looks like you need so many ppms of such and such nute." Then it's an easy equation to to figure out.

I wasn't trying to knock soil growers and I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I'm mostly just surprised at how smoothly this has all gone for my first ever attempt at growing weed. (Besides her deciding to hermie)

 

[moe.red]

Funny thing is as an organic soil grower I look at those 2 pages of notes & think "holy cow that looks like a lot of work". Meanwhile I mix like 3 ingredients into water at fixed ratios CannaGranny told me to use & feed/water them about every 4-5 days. The only thing I track is when I feed vs just water. Now watering does take entirely too long (like 2 hours to water 6 plants) & that's the one thing I would like to improve eventually is a way to automate that process, but otherwise I feel like organic soil growing is about as "hands off" as it gets.

I really think it comes down to what your goals are.

I'm doing a soil vs hydro side by side right now. Just started flower. There is really no comparison to the 2. Soil is a fraction of the plant hydro is. Every other setpoint is identical, and the clones were the same size going in off the same mom.

Hydro has a steeper learning curve. More setup time. Less flexibility once set up. Other than that, IMHO it is better in every other way including ease and maintenance. The only thing that remains is the smoke test once the grow is finished. Since you are local here, you are invited to participate in the blind taste test. If soil grows better weed, that is something I want to know and it will factor in to my "no comparison" statements. I reserve the right to completely change my mind if the weed in dirt is better!

 

[Scotty 420]

Those two pages were a couple weeks of me tracking pH and ppm movements. It's my first grow so I'm hoping to just build a record to look back on for reference. I just transpose from meter to paper twice a day while I'm already in the room anyway. The notes are mostly for when I encounter an issue and one of the pros asks me about recent changes. That way I can give them whatever info they'd need to give me an informed answer.

Not trying to discredit or disagree. I'm just thinking after a few grows, the notes will be less of a necessity.

Realistically, when I understand the ratios, I won't need to write anything down. I log what goes into the res and how it affects pH and ppms so I can do the same thing each time instead of trying to remember how many mL of what was added when and in what order.

Knowing the ppm bump from each nutes will help when I see a deficiency. A pro may say something like "looks like you need so many ppms of such and such nute." Then it's an easy equation to to figure out.

I wasn't trying to knock soil growers and I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I'm mostly just surprised at how smoothly this has all gone for my first ever attempt at growing weed. (Besides her deciding to hermie)

Oh no offense taken at all, just pointing out that soil grows can be pretty easy as well. You don't have to get into runoff testing & multiple daily waterings.

 

[Pipecarver]

Man, Hydro is great. Mixing a batch of nutes every couple weeks and watching the pH/ppms seems a lot easier than mixing and checking all that plus runoff however many times a week. Factor in however many times a day soil growers gotta water and it seems like a no-brainer for me, especially with having a 16 month old to look after. I don't know how they have the time.

I supposed it's a higher startup cost but dang... ease and peace of mind has made up for the dollars in the beginning. Get the pH to stabilize and it's smooth sailing.

Hopefully Moe's hydro vs soil grow shows a minimal difference in terps. If that's the case, like I said, no-brainer.

Hey, I just got in on this last page but "

Mixing a batch of nutes every couple weeks and watching the pH/ppms seems a lot easier than mixing and checking all that plus runoff however many times a week.

How do you do that? don't your plants go through water? I'm adding 3+ gal of food per day for my 5 plants in flower.....My 47 L reservoir will run dry in 3 days when full so I keep it half full and add daily.........

How can I just add water and not drop my ppm's drastically?....... I'm not in a true hydro set up with auto pots but its the same idea of adding liquid to your system somehow and maintaining ppm.

In soil once you've gone through a few cycles of checking ph & ppm run off daily and you know what your nutes do the numbers then checking runoff isn't needed as often...I rarely check mine now but when I do I guess at the numbers first and I'm always pretty dam close.....

I'm on my 3rd grow with the new auto pots and my plants are healthier, prettier & bigger faster than anything I've grown over 20+ years of indoor growing so I've tossed my dirt grows but I'm going through 4 - 5 times the nutes so I'm trying to understand how you're all doing it.... maybe save me some cash....