First Time.

[Aqua Man]

I've been thinking about running and tucking everything until the screen is nearly full before flipping. I'm just ignorant to what happens during "stretch" so I figured I'd let it happen vertically.
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3/4 full and flip keep tucking for 1 week after flip is what worked for me.

@CannaGranny @TSD do you ladies mind advising him on this? Been a while since i have scrogged

 

[GrumpAzz]

3/4 full and flip keep tucking for 1 week after flip is what worked for me.

@CannaGranny @TSD do you ladies mind advising him on this? Been a while since i have scrogged

CannaGranny gave her two cents, which was much appreciated, but it was hard to do something that was so different than what I had been "planning" when it came to the smashing. That's where I diverged. Otherwise, I've topped twice now and will FIM a week before flower, as per her methods.

 

[Aqua Man]

Im thinking your about a week to flip… not much longer than that… and the growth during stretch is nuts so imo better to flip a bit early than to late… especially if you dont know the genetics

 

[GrumpAzz]

Im thinking your about a week to flip… not much longer than that… and the growth during stretch is nuts so imo better to flip a bit early than to late… especially if you dont know the genetics

Ok so with that timeframe in mind, and knowing I trimmed a bit last night... will I be able to pull of a lollipop and a FIM in say 2 weeks?

 

[Aqua Man]

Ok so with that timeframe in mind, and knowing I trimmed a bit last night... will I be able to pull of a lollipop and a FIM in say 2 weeks?

Hard for me to say but im thinking about a week to flip. I can’t say for certain because I haven’t really seen the growth timeline and dont know the stretch of those genetics.

Plants in hydro recover extremely fast so it’s different than soil time wise and recovery wise.

You can lolipop them now… there is no benefit to waiting to do so at this point

 

[CannaGranny]

Ok so with that timeframe in mind, and knowing I trimmed a bit last night... will I be able to pull of a lollipop and a FIM in say 2 weeks?

I lollypop the day I go to flower and I fim the last week of veg Just before flower. You sure don’t want to wait a week after going to flower or you will pinch off all of your flower heads. Just couldn’t do the smash huh?

 

[Aqua Man]

I just seen @CannaGranny lurkin here so see what she has to say on it

 

[GrumpAzz]

I lollypop the day I go to flower and I fim the last week of veg Just before flower. You sure don’t want to wait a week after going to flower or you will pinch off all of your flower heads. Just couldn’t do the smash huh?

Sweet. I was thinking lollipop first so I'm glad you poked your head in. Thanks Granny.

Didn't go with the smash Combination of things. I think I stunted her with a seedling environment for too long. Aqua fixed me up there. Then, I was a bit uncomfortable will how far out my limbs were already growing with the previously LST and was afraid the smash would a be little risky. My first grow so I went with what was already established as my "plan."

Plants in hydro recover extremely fast so it’s different than soil time wise and recovery wise.

Good to know. I've been taking a handful of fans off every 4-5 days since you straightened out my tent settings. Last night I removed the ugly "mag def" leaves to see if the res change stopped it's slow progression. I also pulled any lower limbs up that would reach the net. One branch from the lowest node didn't make it.

 

[Observer]

I'm trying to wrap my head around that price tag lol.

Holy fuck lmao

 

[Observer]

VPD is a tool. A measurement of what is real. No different than PPM or PH or PPFD.

VPD, along with PPFD and available CO2 sets the speed the plant will grow. Together, they are the gas pedal.

6CO2+6H2O→C6H12O6+6O2

That is photosynthesis, no more, no less. There are no nutrients there. Just CO2, Water and light which becomes sugar and oxygen.

That said, 70%+ is excessive, even for seedlings.

Is 70% excessive for say a month old plants?
Or just follow the temp with my Rh/VPD?


Should it be less rh for the plants to use more water in the pot? Or is that not a good thing?

We obviously want to keep the stomata open as long as possible, and turn the PPFD up to drive it, and then a correlation with Rh and ambient/LS-Temps

 

[Observer]

Dude you are posting while in the shower? Outstanding dedication!

Hahaha so I'm not the only one?

 

[GrumpAzz]

Hahaha so I'm not the only one?

Sometimes the best questions come in the shower and you don't wanna forget.

 

[Observer]

Sometimes the best questions come in the shower and you don't wanna forget.

Indeed sir

 

[GrumpAzz]

Is 70% excessive for say a month old plants?
Or just follow the temp with my Rh/VPD

I was a little over a month in when Aqua stepped in and we bumped up my temps to around 80 and dropped my rH to around 55. We also started a day/night cycle then and all that seems to have really pleased my lady. She's grown so much in the last two weeks, comparatively.

 

[Observer]

I was a little over a month in when Aqua stepped in and we bumped up my temps to around 80 and dropped my rH to around 55. We also started a day/night cycle then and all that seems to have really pleased my lady. She's grown so much in the last two weeks, comparatively.

Yeah I'm just still trying to wrap my ahead around

Like I get it, the mechanics, but what should be done?

 

[Observer]

78LST
82AMB
59% RH

Puts me at 0.94kPa

Like should I aim for 0.8kPa /63rh

This is aroyas VPD calc.

 

[Observer]

I have piss poor air exchange too, no outside air exchange besides doors, wish I had a fucking CO2 meter to see how much they are consuming.

Would really help find the "bottlenecks"

I got ~1800-2000 total watts I could throw up, I can't even utilize lol.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Yeah I'm just still trying to wrap my ahead around

Like I get it, the mechanics, but what should be done.

Well this is my first time, but I would say bring the humidity down to 55 or so and OBSERVE

Sorry couldn't help myself. I'm also in hydro so I don't know anything about how to water a plant.

 

[Observer]

Well this is my first time, but I would say bring the humidity down to 55 or so and OBSERVE

Sorry couldn't help myself. I'm also in hydro so I don't know anything about how to water a plant.

Yea but then that conflicts with VPD charts

I was gonna aim for 63ish in the .4-.8 range and observe lol.

And then Ill.drop to 50s I guess
But see these variables will/also interact with the root zone water and oxygen, content.

Ughhhhh it's a straight up chemical equation that has quite a few vars.

Doing this shit without the proper setup is a tedious balancing act.

 

[Observer]

So what gives man lol

Help us Moe and aqua lol

Much appreciated.

 

[GrumpAzz]

So what gives man lol

Help us Moe and aqua lol

Much appreciated.

Aqua told me not to look at vpd charts. My plant has been getting roughly 1.25 kPa and the chart I was using said that was way too high. Plant seems to love it and has really handled my tucking abuse so I'm happy. I'm apparently a week or so from flipping my first plant to flower and I'm pumped.

 

[Observer]

These widely different genes are kinda a pain too

This just my mom/veg 2x4


And there's the Rugrat unzipping it

Ok I'll not jack you're thread lol

 

[Observer]

Aqua told me not to look at vpd charts. My plant has been getting roughly 1.25 kPa and the chart I was using said that was way too high. Plant seems to love it and has really handled my tucking abuse so I'm happy. I'm apparently a week or so from flipping my first plant to flower and I'm pumped.

Nice man.

Shits convoluted. Lol

 

[GrumpAzz]

Nice man.

Shits convoluted. Lol

That's for sure. I'm mostly paying attention to how the plant grows in general. How it reacts to snips and tops and such. I'll apply that knowledge next go'round. Like people keep talking stretch and budsites and all the lingo and I can really only imagine. I'd like to see a nice day by day time-lapse of a plant growing like they show with the mushrooms on planet earth. That'd be the shit.

 

[Observer]

That's for sure. I'm mostly paying attention to how the plant grows in general. How it reacts to snips and tops and such. I'll apply that knowledge next go'round. Like people keep talking stretch and budsites and all the lingo and I can really only imagine. I'd like to see a nice day by day time-lapse of a plant growing like they show with the mushrooms on planet earth. That'd be the shit.

Watch this fam.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Watch this fam

I admittedly do very little research so I'm not surprised I haven't come across this video. It's exactly what I've been learning by slow observation, and I no longer have to rely on my imagination when it comes to stretch and bud building.

I've found through my various hobbies in the past that the initial research is good for getting your feet wet, but I learn much better and find a comfort zone quicker by just learning as I go. These folks here have been more than generous with their knowledge and have really boosted my already inflated confidence

 

[Observer]

I admittedly do very little research so I'm not surprised I haven't come across this video. It's exactly what I've been learning by slow observation, and I no longer have to rely on my imagination when it comes to stretch and bud building.

I've found through my various hobbies in the past that the initial research is good for getting your feet wet, but I learn much better and find a comfort zone quicker by just learning as I go. These folks here have been more than generous with their knowledge and have really boosted my already inflated confidence

oh yea i just dive right the fuck in.

i do read alot though.

 

[Aqua Man]

78LST
82AMB
59% RH

Puts me at 0.94kPa

Like should I aim for 0.8kPa /63rh

This is aroyas VPD calc.

You can grow just about any plant with a VPD around 1.0 start to finish. You can see the effects of VPD in the leaves and in my VPD thread i list the suggested ball park ranges for growth stage

 

[GrumpAzz]

We lost power for a little over an hour last night. Lost the neatral first, I assume. We had things working but only half assed. Then everything went dark. I assume the tent environment stayed in the habitable range but the loss of the air pump had me pretty worried about root oxygen. I'll watch her closely today.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Leaf temps are much more consistent now. The ACI probe reads 80 within the canopy and leaf temps range from 77.9-78.7