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The time you save to moe.frees up a lot of time you can put to other chores..so how many bags I gotta sell to buy everything you need to freeze dry 😃so how’s it go on the moisture side.can you go too far with it.
 
Mad Max said:
The time you save to moe.frees up a lot of time you can put to other chores..so how many bags I gotta sell to buy everything you need to freeze dry 😃so how’s it go on the moisture side.can you go too far with it.
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I would not want to smoke anything that comes out of the freeze drier. It's like shipping peanuts - light as all get out and harsh as hell when you light it. But for extractions and testing cannabinoids it is the ideal start IMO. You get an overnight cure that locks in all the terps you would loose in a normal drying process. And for ISO or ETOH the result is much much more blonde extract. Without water, the chlorophyll and other water soluble plant components stays put in the bud.
 
Rootsruler said:
I'm not trying to keep from lollypopping so much as being able to grow the plant taller in the tent and be able to light the lower half. As mentioned previously, I let them go vertical up to around 9". After 9" I see flower size diminish exponentially. I'd like to grow them vertically up to 12" -14". The side lighting could power that lower 3" - 5".

The report I posted also said that it should increase cannabanoids and terpenes.

The side lights I linked are 60w each. 4 of them would equal a 240w light, so heat wise it should be equivalent to adding another COB board in the tent meaning an average rise of around 2* - 3* in the tent with lights on.
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Have you tried schwazzing? I accidentally Schwazzed my last plant but not sure if genetics or the schwazzing helped the lower flowers. I had zero larf on my last plant. Even the tiniest of the buds were nice and firm with some squish.

I am of the mindset that I want more foliage but now unsure after I've Schwazzed. A controlled test would be awesome with clones.
 
Habosabin said:
Have you tried schwazzing? I accidentally Schwazzed my last plant but not sure if genetics or the schwazzing helped the lower flowers. I had zero larf on my last plant. Even the tiniest of the buds were nice and firm with some squish.

I am of the mindset that I want more foliage but now unsure after I've Schwazzed. A controlled test would be awesome with clones.
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I'm going to try Schwazzing on my next run to see how that does.
 
Moe.Red said:
I would not want to smoke anything that comes out of the freeze drier. It's like shipping peanuts - light as all get out and harsh as hell when you light it. But for extractions and testing cannabinoids it is the ideal start IMO. You get an overnight cure that locks in all the terps you would loose in a normal drying process. And for ISO or ETOH the result is much much more blonde extract. Without water, the chlorophyll and other water soluble plant components stays put in the bud.
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What would happen if you took the freeze-dried herb when you are ready to smoke it and put it into a 60rh environment to rehydrate? Would it be better that way? I've always been curious about freeze-drying and intrigued because you can skip the dry and cure stage right? But man, they are expensive.
 
Moe.Red said:
My gut tells me yes it does. I have read that it does. I've never tested it. Seems interesting.

Also, I do tissue culture. A side quest would be can you "re-invigorate" an old plant by using TC on the apical meristem and just getting the stem cells? I have also read this is possible, but again never done a side by side.

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So basically stem cell concept on plants?
 
Moe.Red said:
have a very controlled drying rack system that does an excellent job removing water, and leaving leaves on the buds does not help really only get in the way and contribute to mold. I can still control the drying process and time, I'd just rather do it this way. I do leave the colas on the stalks tho, and when I pull out of the dry chamber I snip them off the stems and into the glass jar for final size.


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Is you're whole basement 60/60

or do you have the separate zones controlled?

Or is it controlled and stable in the dryrack tent?
 
Moe.Red said:
Well, I'm just weird.

My harvest goes into several different output streams.

I always save some flower from every plant to cure and smoke. That is wet trimmed, put into drying racks, then into glass to cure.
This weekend my kid pulled off some buds to freeze and press. I don't love that, but whatever. Live resin.
I often harvest and freeze dry the same day. Then that output with no water (they say this retains 97% of terpenes) goes into the various extraction processes. Rotovap, Short Path, Press, whatever.
Then the extractions get further processed as desired too. I guess the new thing is diamonds - doing some of that.

So the key here is that when I remove flower from the tent, it is in the AM. If I have a multi day harvest because I have 8 plants and not enough trimmers, the lights stay on for the remainder of the plants.

I only ever do a careful wet trim on flower intended to smoke. Not worth the effort with extractions, and many of the trimmed leaves contain THC so better to leave them.

I don't know if what I am doing is right, but it does work for me.
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Lovely setup...
 
Habosabin said:
What would happen if you took the freeze-dried herb when you are ready to smoke it and put it into a 60rh environment to rehydrate? Would it be better that way? I've always been curious about freeze-drying and intrigued because you can skip the dry and cure stage right? But man, they are expensive.
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I have not tried this, interesting.

I'll freeze dry some of my upcoming harvest and see if I can be smoking in a few days. Who knows, might be OK.
 
Moe.Red said:
My basement is 65F and RH of 40 in the winter, 50 - 60 in the summer. I do have control over that too.
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It's a huge help. I keep basement set to about where I want my rdwc water. It's usually in the ballpark year round anyway. I built so my buckets wouldnt be in the actual grow space to take advantage of this and it has worked beautifully.
 
Cool_Beans said:
It's a huge help. I keep basement set to about where I want my rdwc water. It's usually in the ballpark year round anyway. I built so my buckets wouldnt be in the actual grow space to take advantage of this and it has worked beautifully.
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Lung room conditions play a big role in the whole grow. I'm very lucky to have the space I have, and that my wife has no designs on it for her uses. Other than the furnaces and stuff, she's all mine.
 
Moe.Red said:
Lung room conditions play a big role in the whole grow. I'm very lucky to have the space I have, and that my wife has no designs on it for her uses. Other than the furnaces and stuff, she's all mine.
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I hear that. We think it's pretty funny our mechanical room is now a space we actually spend time in and also get measurable value from. Big fan of repurposing underutilized spaces w clever assed shit like these waterweed machines.
 
Pipecarver said:
Heck no,,,,,,,,I'm still looking. I had almost pulled the trigger on 2 Cree far red lights 2-$130 US then the fkers wanted $90 US shipping That took me over $300 Cdn....nope still looking.
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One of the better priced CND stores. I visit a few times a year. Usually on big sale days. Hope you find something cheaper.

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Zen_seeker said:
One of the better priced CND stores. I visit a few times a year. Usually on big sale days. Hope you find something cheaper.

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I looked at them and they have a great deal on a 1000w Eye hort,,,I've paid $130 and they have it on for $65.............I didn't see that they had any Far red lights and that's all I'm looking for now....everything I've found comes from USA with shipping and exchange killing the deal...1684345356551.png

ECO Farm 30W Cree Chips Red 660nm+ Far Red 730nm Supplemental Lighting Quantum Board​

$87.99 USD with a 32% discount brings them to $60 each so 2 for $120 USA + $90USA shipping $210 = $300CDN its just too much for a toy right now. I'd bite at $120 CDN
 
Moe.Red said:
And the verdit is? Better worse or same?
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I'll leave that decision up to @Stoneyluv on that particular nug

Here it is when it was alive...

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That grow had a handful of them

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I've toked enough of them over the years to have an opinion but am curious about Y'all when you try it.

Most off the wall thing I've ever read was they're a pile of trichs that can be scooped off with a spoon. I argued with the feller a bit on that one since he couldn't show pics or prove it while I was staring at a bleached tip in my garden knowing what he was posting was pure lies.

That was back around 2015-16 when the phenom was being called "Hash Tips".
It was unique and mysterious and as we know something unique and the word hash is gonna get some run in this hobby/industry.

Vashon Velvet Farm was one of the first to claim more terps and potency without proof in 2017. The blog had some valid points especially the randomness and how it can be on lower buds and not the uppers sometimes which I've experienced many times too.
But terps, potency, and it being unique to LED is where I question the facts and blogs.
As far as the LED goes yes they do it easier but I've seen 1000 watt HPS do it too.
And every single time when Hash Tips are being hyped nobody shows what they look like dry and some even outright lie and say they stay white.
After 6-7 years the hype has died down and I think we're at the pass where they're not good or bad, just a signal to raise the lights a bit higher
 
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Interesting history there. I'm sure this is the phenomena I was reading about. Back when bright LEDs were still new I guess.

I've never seen it anywhere but the tip.

Looking forward to hearing Stoney's input here. Mine is that the bleaching takes all the terps out. I'm not a good judge on potency by consumption I'm a total lightweight. That's why I am going to actually test the different buds and see THC levels.
 
oh i can't wait to be a judge on this one!!! I remember the first bleach top i saw. it was before i knew about forums and i had an led light i bought from ebay. i had used fluorescent tubes until this point. i don't remember what the seed was but i was convinced i had found a unicorn of genetics and couldn't believe my eyes. until we smoked it... it was like finding out santa clause wasn't real!! hahaha

:)
 
this may be the wrong place to post this...but the 'myths' about planting trees are pretty much dinged in the article. Well-written article and I recommend reading until the end, it is a killer.... https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/05/29/what-we-owe-our-trees


What We Owe Our Trees​

Forests fed us, housed us, and made our way of life possible. But they can’t save us if we can’t save them.
By Jill Lepore
May 22, 2023


The Earth is about four and a half billion years old. By about two and a half billion years ago, enough oxygen had built up in the atmosphere to support multicellular life, and by about five hundred and seventy million years ago the first complex macroscopic organisms had begun to appear, as Peter Frankopan reports in “The Earth Transformed” (Knopf), an essential epic that runs from the dawn of time to, oh, six o’clock yesterday. In his not at all cheerful conclusion, looking to a possibly not too distant future in which humans fail to address climate change and become extinct, Frankopan writes, “Our loss will be the gain of other animals and plants.” An upside!
The first trees evolved about four hundred million years ago, and pretty quickly, geologically speaking, they covered most of the Earth’s dry land. A hundred and fifty million years later, during a mass-extinction event known as the Great Dying, the forests perished, along with nearly everything else on land and sea. Then, two million years after that, the supercontinent broke up, a seismic process whose consequences included depositing oil, coal, and natural gas in the places on the planet where they can still be found, to our enrichment and ruination. The trees returned. The ginkgo is the oldest surviving tree species, its fan-shaped leaves unfurling lime green in spring and falling, mustard yellow, in autumn.
The advocacy organization American Forests was founded in 1875, and, as Cohen writes, it also advanced the idea that planting a tree was an act of citizenship. This was a tradition that faltered at various times in the twentieth century but was renewed beginning in 1970 with the first Earth Day (also held in April) and with the establishment of the National Arbor Day Foundation two years later. Its many programs include Trees for America; pay a membership fee, and you get ten saplings in the mail. American Forests runs Global ReLeaf.

But Cohen and other critics have argued that there is little evidence that these programs do much more than greenwash bad actors. American Forests has been sponsored by both fossil fuel and timber companies. In 1996, the climate-change-denying G.O.P. encouraged Republican congressional candidates to have themselves photographed planting a tree. “10 Reasons to Plant Trees with American Forests,” printed in 2001, suggests that “planting 30 trees each year offsets the average American’s ‘carbon debt’—the amount of carbon dioxide you produce each year from your car and home.” The E.P.A., on a Web site that linked to American Forests, urged Americans to plant trees as penance: “Plant some trees and stop feeling guilty.” What with one thing and another, have you used ten thousand kilowatt-hours of electricity? The site offered indulgences: plant ten trees, one for every thousand kilowatt-hours. At the height of the corporate tree-atonement era, a New Yorker cartoon showed a queue of businessmen waiting to see a guru, with one saying to another, “It’s great! You just tell him how much pollution your company is responsible for and he tells you how many trees you have to plant to atone for it.”
The notion that clear-cutting can be counteracted by the planting of trees is a political product of the timber industry. As Cohen shows, the phrase “tree farm” was coined by a publicist at a timber company, as was the motto “Timber Is a Crop.” And the notion hasn’t died. In 2020, the World Economic Forum announced its sponsorship of an initiative called 1t, a corporate-funded plan to “conserve, restore, and grow” one trillion trees by the year 2030. At Davos in 2020, Donald Trump pledged American support. (At the time, the President mentioned that he was reading a book about the environmental movement; written by a former adviser of his, it was called “Donald J. Trump: An Environmental Hero.”)
 
SiamSam said:
this may be the wrong place to post this...but the 'myths' about planting trees are pretty much dinged in the article. Well-written article and I recommend reading until the end, it is a killer.... https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/05/29/what-we-owe-our-trees


What We Owe Our Trees​

Forests fed us, housed us, and made our way of life possible. But they can’t save us if we can’t save them.
By Jill Lepore
May 22, 2023


The Earth is about four and a half billion years old. By about two and a half billion years ago, enough oxygen had built up in the atmosphere to support multicellular life, and by about five hundred and seventy million years ago the first complex macroscopic organisms had begun to appear, as Peter Frankopan reports in “The Earth Transformed” (Knopf), an essential epic that runs from the dawn of time to, oh, six o’clock yesterday. In his not at all cheerful conclusion, looking to a possibly not too distant future in which humans fail to address climate change and become extinct, Frankopan writes, “Our loss will be the gain of other animals and plants.” An upside!
The first trees evolved about four hundred million years ago, and pretty quickly, geologically speaking, they covered most of the Earth’s dry land. A hundred and fifty million years later, during a mass-extinction event known as the Great Dying, the forests perished, along with nearly everything else on land and sea. Then, two million years after that, the supercontinent broke up, a seismic process whose consequences included depositing oil, coal, and natural gas in the places on the planet where they can still be found, to our enrichment and ruination. The trees returned. The ginkgo is the oldest surviving tree species, its fan-shaped leaves unfurling lime green in spring and falling, mustard yellow, in autumn.
The advocacy organization American Forests was founded in 1875, and, as Cohen writes, it also advanced the idea that planting a tree was an act of citizenship. This was a tradition that faltered at various times in the twentieth century but was renewed beginning in 1970 with the first Earth Day (also held in April) and with the establishment of the National Arbor Day Foundation two years later. Its many programs include Trees for America; pay a membership fee, and you get ten saplings in the mail. American Forests runs Global ReLeaf.

But Cohen and other critics have argued that there is little evidence that these programs do much more than greenwash bad actors. American Forests has been sponsored by both fossil fuel and timber companies. In 1996, the climate-change-denying G.O.P. encouraged Republican congressional candidates to have themselves photographed planting a tree. “10 Reasons to Plant Trees with American Forests,” printed in 2001, suggests that “planting 30 trees each year offsets the average American’s ‘carbon debt’—the amount of carbon dioxide you produce each year from your car and home.” The E.P.A., on a Web site that linked to American Forests, urged Americans to plant trees as penance: “Plant some trees and stop feeling guilty.” What with one thing and another, have you used ten thousand kilowatt-hours of electricity? The site offered indulgences: plant ten trees, one for every thousand kilowatt-hours. At the height of the corporate tree-atonement era, a New Yorker cartoon showed a queue of businessmen waiting to see a guru, with one saying to another, “It’s great! You just tell him how much pollution your company is responsible for and he tells you how many trees you have to plant to atone for it.”
The notion that clear-cutting can be counteracted by the planting of trees is a political product of the timber industry. As Cohen shows, the phrase “tree farm” was coined by a publicist at a timber company, as was the motto “Timber Is a Crop.” And the notion hasn’t died. In 2020, the World Economic Forum announced its sponsorship of an initiative called 1t, a corporate-funded plan to “conserve, restore, and grow” one trillion trees by the year 2030. At Davos in 2020, Donald Trump pledged American support. (At the time, the President mentioned that he was reading a book about the environmental movement; written by a former adviser of his, it was called “Donald J. Trump: An Environmental Hero.”)
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Without protecting the trees planted, it is an empty gesture. Also, nature cannot extract us from climate change. Nature can help, but the amount of GHGs we emit easily overwhelms whatever can be sequestered in trees and soil.
 
True that, it isn't looking that gr8 on our 3rd rock from the sun. We paved paradise to put up a parking lot and reaping what we sowed. The cumulative effects should force changes in behavior unless the ship has already sailed.
 
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