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Gardens look great man!
Good to read you're feeling better and didn't catch something worse like hanta virus or ebola :LOL:

Unfortunately I think you got tricked by AI man. Those Dale Jr videos are fakes. There's a couple others too. Not sure why they exist.
Just be cautious with anything there. Lots of fake videos, doctor reports, merch, and more came out of the woodwork.

Dale has said some nice things but more realistic in regards to their differences early on then later finding some degree of friendship as race team owners but the stuff about Brexton is all fake. They couldn't even get the name right and call him Braxton lol. The voice is weird too.
There are scams for merch too. The official black hat is only on NASCAR.com and lots of stuff like the tiedye hat I got were direct from the New Era company and even on clearance sale with no price gouging since it was a 2025 hat design. Fake rare diecasts too. Fucking people man. They suck.

dammit, those assholes tricked me!!! ...again!

i'm done with social media... my dad used to tell me all the time: "believe in half of what you read and nothing you hear!"
wise words.

they can kiss my bacon!!!!

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dammit, those assholes tricked me!!! ...again!

i'm done with social media... my dad used to tell me all the time: "believe in half of what you read and nothing you hear!"
wise words.

they can kiss my bacon!!!!

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It's nice to buy bacon in bulk again :LOL:
Funny how you watch racing because that's how I wish football did it. No announcers and just field noise. Maybe pay a premium so you can hear coach to coach and coach to player comms.

When our players were posting stuff on social media we would take the pics and show them on the jumbotron during practice. Got them to think before they posted something but now with AI they don't even have to post it. Arch Manning gets faked like that too. Fake videos of him making deals to play for other teams and stuff. Sex tapes and revenge porn is super common. It's weaponized and gets people to believe all sorts of stuff.
Sometimes it's funny but it's stuff like those Dale Jr videos and other scams, especially the ones targeting elderly needs some regulation to it IMO.
 
It's nice to buy bacon in bulk again :LOL:
Funny how you watch racing because that's how I wish football did it. No announcers and just field noise. Maybe pay a premium so you can hear coach to coach and coach to player comms.

When our players were posting stuff on social media we would take the pics and show them on the jumbotron during practice. Got them to think before they posted something but now with AI they don't even have to post it. Arch Manning gets faked like that too. Fake videos of him making deals to play for other teams and stuff. Sex tapes and revenge porn is super common. It's weaponized and gets people to believe all sorts of stuff.
Sometimes it's funny but it's stuff like those Dale Jr videos and other scams, especially the ones targeting elderly needs some regulation to it IMO.

i couldn't fit all the bacon in one pan.. still got like seven slices in the fridge!! saving that for hash browns and poached eggs!!!

ah man that would be the coolest football package ever, i'd buy it!!

that shit is just evil on those kids.. and i bet it never stops.. 365 days 24 hours a day. that is just plain wrong. i sure wish i could get to be the one who got to enforce a regulation like that!!

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qualifying just ended.. the 11 likes to sit on guys poles.. the 45 looks lights out fast..
 
i couldn't fit all the bacon in one pan.. still got like seven slices in the fridge!! saving that for hash browns and poached eggs!!!

ah man that would be the coolest football package ever, i'd buy it!!

that shit is just evil on those kids.. and i bet it never stops.. 365 days 24 hours a day. that is just plain wrong. i sure wish i could get to be the one who got to enforce a regulation like that!!

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qualifying just ended.. the 11 likes to sit on guys poles.. the 45 looks lights out fast..

11 to the rear for unapproved adjustments!

Chills on this one man. 1st time in program history, WVU punched their ticket to Omaha.
This why we grind man!!!

 
11 to the rear for unapproved adjustments!

Chills on this one man. 1st time in program history, WVU punched their ticket to Omaha.
This why we grind man!!!


i bet that makes the 77 happy!! lookin like a hot greasy track, should make for some great racing!!!!!

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wow man first time ever??? thats so freakin awesome!!!!
 
Gardens look great man!
Good to read you're feeling better and didn't catch something worse like hanta virus or ebola :LOL:

Unfortunately I think you got tricked by AI man. Those Dale Jr videos are fakes. There's a couple others too. Not sure why they exist.
Just be cautious with anything there. Lots of fake videos, doctor reports, merch, and more came out of the woodwork.

Dale has said some nice things but more realistic in regards to their differences early on then later finding some degree of friendship as race team owners but the stuff about Brexton is all fake. They couldn't even get the name right and call him Braxton lol. The voice is weird too.
There are scams for merch too. The official black hat is only on NASCAR.com and lots of stuff like the tiedye hat I got were direct from the New Era company and even on clearance sale with no price gouging since it was a 2025 hat design. Fake rare diecasts too. Fucking people man. They suck.
Ya I’m losing my faith in people fast. Half the servers at the pool hall screw you over on the bill. I mention it in my thread but forgot to add they also give you pictures of beer that are literally half foam. And when I mentioned it she got all huffy. I literally said “We only got two and a half glasses out of it because of the foam, please watch that.” The next one was better, less than half the head of the last one, but she tries not to serve us now, which is fine with me.
 
well things are not going the way i wanted... it's taken the one plant so ridiculously long to establish roots that it's getting left behind and the whole idea of having two matching sized plants is quickly slipping from my grasp..

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i'm getting impatient. i think i'm gonna pull an audible and put the first two plant back in.... i'll try to even them up the best i can and maybe one will get a little bit more light.. a topping might help with it too..

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i really like the freedom of growing commando.. i'm dipping solution from the rez into the cloner so they're in the exact same bath water and temp, so should be no real shock to them in doing this. they're strong , stronger than the others thats for sure, i'm not entirely sure why i can't get them to root from that other plant. i have one other cutting in there that looks the same, a month later and just a tiny little stubble..

all the cuttings were all taken on the same day.. and this is the best this one got so far..

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i'm a little more than a week lopsided right now and i think my best chances are with the stronger plants...

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so it's great i neve change my mind and always have such a solid plan.. 🤣🤣

back to the plants i started with.. they're both Sun of a Peach and not really 100% they're from the same plant but i'm over it and if they turn out the same size great and if not i don't care anymore. but i will try a little bit, one light close and one far, i'll foliar feed the smaller plant everyday, and i guided the roots through the cup more on the left plant and left the bigger one more "birdsnested" and let them find their own way. i haven't topped either one yet but the node numbers are there and both will be topped soon, i'll let them make home again first.. and from here on out i will not be keeping the water level this high, as they drink i will let it lower to proper volume before topping off again.

this is it now okay, i'm not changing my mind anymore... haha!! on a serious note though, it sure is great seeing crisp bright white veins in hydro. a first for me. the other day i added more big foot to the system. nutrients haven't changed and ph is solid. i'll probably end up doing a change out on the sooner side of schedule just because this solution has fed different plants now and most likely a little lopsided in balance. perfectly fine for now though.

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a couple days later and the plants seem to be okay with their switchback.. yesterday i topped them both and they now have their four nodes from the main stalk. once those top two grow past two nodes i will top those two and that should conclude the pruning for the scrog. also adjusted the lights up an additional 10% and up to 30% right now.

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i also noticed that the past two days my rez heater has not turned on once. warming up a little down there.. the air heater still comes on a little. i have it set to 68°f for lights out lows. really helps keep my rh in check during lights out as well.

still not sure when i should do a change out... it's still the same 220 ppm i started with.
 
still not sure when i should do a change out... it's still the same 220 ppm i started with.
I'm convinced that there's no right or wrong way to go about it. It'll be what's best for you water-wise, plant-wise and time-wise.

How are you going about topping off this round?
 
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I'm convinced that there's nonright or wrong way to go about it. It'll be what l's best for you water-wise, plant-wise and time-wise.

How are you going about topping off this round?

back in the very beginning Aqua Man suggested that i try the dilution flush method, also called a partial reservoir change. he said it would fit my style and helps in keeping down the cost of as much bennies. i think now that i don't have any off the wall goofy problems i'd really like to give it a try. i'm using just tap, micros, and bloom so my solution is not complicated at all and may also favor with this change out method.

it is so nice to have crisp white veins and petioles in the leaves. confidence is also starting to rise!

i'm not entirely sold on any particular top off. as much as i like the idea of topping with stronger solution but part of me also wants to just keep it KISS this round. and i would kinda like to see the ppms get eaten and replenish and really kinda just go through all those motions that i never really got to do before. so i think maybe i should just match whats in the rez and mix the top off a little more often and not lean on automation till i'm totally comfortable with it. maybe just mix up ten gallons or so at a time and monitor the PPMs and just get a feel for it.

for right now i don't have the top off turned on yet. the water level is still pretty close to the cups and i was hoping they would drink their way down but if the roots grow faster than they drink then i might pull some out manually. right now at this level right here the system has 30 gallons in it. it's been a month now that the system has been running, bluelabs was blinking at me today.. i cleaned and calibrated tonight.

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on the dark side we have some stink setting in... the great kind of stink that is!!!! lights are pretty much at max height so hoping it will be good enough. tonight starts week 5 of flower. lights just got bumped up to 60% and set to just 11 hours on. i'll ride like this for a week or two and adjust both again. i haven't fed them anything yet and just have been given water only. ecowitt tells me when and who so i've been pretty much hands off this entire time. i never took them out and thinned them, i think my time has passed now and i'll cause more damage than will even be worth it at this point. i don't mind.. i squish almost everything anyway!!

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back in the very beginning Aqua Man suggested that i try the dilution flush method, also called a partial reservoir change. he said it would fit my style and helps in keeping down the cost of as much bennies. i think now that i don't have any off the wall goofy problems i'd really like to give it a try. i'm using just tap, micros, and bloom so my solution is not complicated at all and may also favor with this change out method.

it is so nice to have crisp white veins and petioles in the leaves. confidence is also starting to rise!

i'm not entirely sold on any particular top off. as much as i like the idea of topping with stronger solution but part of me also wants to just keep it KISS this round. and i would kinda like to see the ppms get eaten and replenish and really kinda just go through all those motions that i never really got to do before. so i think maybe i should just match whats in the rez and mix the top off a little more often and not lean on automation till i'm totally comfortable with it. maybe just mix up ten gallons or so at a time and monitor the PPMs and just get a feel for it.

for right now i don't have the top off turned on yet. the water level is still pretty close to the cups and i was hoping they would drink their way down but if the roots grow faster than they drink then i might pull some out manually. right now at this level right here the system has 30 gallons in it. it's been a month now that the system has been running, bluelabs was blinking at me today.. i cleaned and calibrated tonight.

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I'm an advocate for a complete to 90% rez change every week to 10 days depending on the previous weeks events. If it's been slow going, 10 days. If they're growing like crazy then 7 or even 5 if the rez is undersized.
Early and young- 10 days. Mature and vigorous - 7 days. Is my basic plan.
Ripening, I just top off from the last rez with clean water and no nutes for the next 2-3 weeks and by the time chop is here, ppm is close to zero.

I only test the PPM after I've added all the ingredients and the test is mostly to make sure I didn't make a mistake and mix up a batch that can burn and also to know where my number is in relation to what the feed chart says it should be. I like to run at around 50-90% of what my feed chart recommends.

Testing is all in preparation to deliver it to the plants then after that I let the rez ride as is for the week without testing or adjusting it no matter what it does.
I only watch the plants and they will show signs of the rez being off. If it was set up correctly then the plants grow happy and I pay no mind to pH or ppm testing.

If it depletes during the week then it's either fresh water or a 50% concoction of what started the rez to top it off. I'll check ppm again just to make sure it's not too hot but it's usually always below the red line.

After the first feeding using a fresh rez the ppm may not change but the dynamics of the solution do change just by interacting with the roots. Your TDS tester just gives ppm but doesn't say exactly what the ppm is made up of. It would be awesome if there was a NPK and macro probe but that takes lab equipment.
Your plants can be depleting macros but say a salt build up or even the slightest evaporation covers it up, it will give you the same ppm making you think nothing has been depleted by the plants. Most nutrient depletion happens in around a 2 week time frame so doing it every week to ten days ensures less chance of a def or a burn from a residual salt happening

So with all the change going on day to day in a hydroponic plant's life it's always been recommended to do a weekly change but some crops and stages of cannabis as well can go 10-14 days.
+ the effect of a fresh rez is a great kick in the pants to keep growth momentum going
 
I'm an advocate for a complete to 90% rez change every week to 10 days depending on the previous weeks events. If it's been slow going, 10 days. If they're growing like crazy then 7 or even 5 if the rez is undersized.
Early and young- 10 days. Mature and vigorous - 7 days. Is my basic plan.
Ripening, I just top off from the last rez with clean water and no nutes for the next 2-3 weeks and by the time chop is here, ppm is close to zero.

I only test the PPM after I've added all the ingredients and the test is mostly to make sure I didn't make a mistake and mix up a batch that can burn and also to know where my number is in relation to what the feed chart says it should be. I like to run at around 50-90% of what my feed chart recommends.

Testing is all in preparation to deliver it to the plants then after that I let the rez ride as is for the week without testing or adjusting it no matter what it does.
I only watch the plants and they will show signs of the rez being off. If it was set up correctly then the plants grow happy and I pay no mind to pH or ppm testing.

If it depletes during the week then it's either fresh water or a 50% concoction of what started the rez to top it off. I'll check ppm again just to make sure it's not too hot but it's usually always below the red line.

After the first feeding using a fresh rez the ppm may not change but the dynamics of the solution do change just by interacting with the roots. Your TDS tester just gives ppm but doesn't say exactly what the ppm is made up of. It would be awesome if there was a NPK and macro probe but that takes lab equipment.
Your plants can be depleting macros but say a salt build up or even the slightest evaporation covers it up, it will give you the same ppm making you think nothing has been depleted by the plants. Most nutrient depletion happens in around a 2 week time frame so doing it every week to ten days ensures less chance of a def or a burn from a residual salt happening

So with all the change going on day to day in a hydroponic plant's life it's always been recommended to do a weekly change but some crops and stages of cannabis as well can go 10-14 days.
+ the effect of a fresh rez is a great kick in the pants to keep growth momentum going

yeah i know i need to change out much more than i was, but with those problems before i wasn't wasting the time and money on all those change outs that ended up in the same result.

so now that i have an actual fuctioning system i need to follow the rules a lot more. one thing i have going for me is my volume size is double of factory, thats gives me extra balanace. the rule for RDWC is a full change out when the plants have consumed the volume of the system. in the past i couldn't go by any of those rules, my plants weren't drinking anything near what they should have. i checked numbers twice a day and they were different every time!! now with the new system the numbers haven't changed once in a month now. not even a blip. so i'm pretty sure something in my DIY was causing some sort of water issue. now with that said yes it has been a month now that this nute solution has been in. the only thing i added along the way was more big foot. the plants werent in there for the full month but it's been more than two weeks.

so yeah i guess if i follow your rule i'm way overdue. i don't really have a feed chart, i'm using lucas formula and at 1/4 strength. since my plants so far haven't eaten more than they drank i went with the same 1/4 i was using. it ended up a little bit hotter this time, i'm pouring in beakers by eye.. so today when the lights came on i pumped it all out, 2 gallons of the 30 remained in the system. ( unless i use my shop vac the new pails leave a gallon in each one.) so i took out 28 gallons and added back in 28 gallons of 240PPM ph was up at 6.0 so i turned the doser on and i'll let that slowly bring it down.

now that the plants are a little more established i will pay attention to eating and drinking closely and top off accordingly to the lucas calculator. i still did not turn on or set up the top off pump. water level is still a bit higher than what it should be because the roots aren't long enough yet, but once i have it at proper level i expect the system to hold 29 gallons total.

i also added back in the big foot.. i was so temped to add great white with it but restrained and went with what is working right now at this moment.

so i know that if my PPM;s start to drop then my plants want more food at a higher strength, BUT if that never goes down and the plants continue to grow nice then do you suggest i just stay at this strenth on future change outs or should i increase anyway just because all the charts say so?
 
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yeah i know i need to change out much more than i was, but with those problems before i wasn't wasting the time and money on all those change outs that ended up in the same result.

so now that i have an actual fuctioning system i need to follow the rules a lot more. one thing i have going for me is my volume size is double of factory, thats gives me extra balanace. the rule for RDWC is a full change out when the plants have consumed the volume of the system. in the past i couldn't go by any of those rules, my plants weren't drinking anything near what they should have. i checked numbers twice a day and they were different every time!! now with the new system the numbers haven't changed once in a month now. not even a blip. so i'm pretty sure something in my DIY was causing some sort of water issue. now with that said yes it has been a month now that this nute solution has been in. the only thing i added along the way was more big foot. the plants werent in there for the full month but it's been more than two weeks.

so yeah i guess if i follow your rule i'm way overdue. i don't really have a feed chart, i'm using lucas formula and at 1/4 strength. since my plants so far haven't eaten more than they drank i went with the same 1/4 i was using. it ended up a little bit hotter this time, i'm pouring in beakers by eye.. so today when the lights came on i pumped it all out, 2 gallons of the 30 remained in the system. ( unless i use my shop vac the new pails leave a gallon in each one.) so i took out 28 gallons and added back in 28 gallons of 240PPM ph was up at 6.0 so i turned the doser on and i'll let that slowly bring it down.

now that the plants are a little more established i will pay attention to eating and drinking closely and top off accordingly to the lucas calculator. i still did not turn on or set up the top off pump. water level is still a bit higher than what it should be because the roots aren't long enough yet, but once i have it at proper level i expect the system to hold 29 gallons total.

i also added back in the big foot.. i was so temped to add great white with it but restrained and went with what is working right now at this moment.

so i know that if my PPM;s start to drop then my plants want more food at a higher strength, BUT if that never goes down and the plants continue to grow nice then do you suggest i just stay at this strenth on future change outs or should i increase anyway just because all the charts say so?

There's a handful of factors that can make your ppm drop but your plants should tell you they can take and need more by how they're growing.
It should be very aggressive and you feed that like shoveling coal into a furnace to keep it up. Plants don't really like the feast and famine thing but rather a steady IV like drip of ever increasing food until it hits the limit and you run that plateau until it's time to taper down into ripening.
I feed according to the plants needs in coordination with the feed chart to know maximum strength. Like the feed chart sets the limits and I find the sweet spot between min and max by the plants' conditions. If the plants are getting fatter and taller and branching out more and more, like 1-2" all around each day, you're probably operating at around maximum optimal levels of food. And you keep that up otherwise it's like taking a fat kid to McDonalds but don't let him eat. He's gonna throw a tantrum!

It's been a long time but I knew Lucas to start week one 2ml Micro and 4ml bloom per gallon of water.
Each week Micro increases by 1 and bloom by 2 so for week 2 it would be 3ml mico and 6ml bloom
Week 3: Micro 4 ml and Bloom 8ml
Week 4: Micro 5ml and Bloom 10ml.

It increases like that each week until it's at week 8 topping off at 8ml micro and 16ml and you ride that until harvest.
Everything up to week 4 is pretty much a Veg formula and everything after is Bloom so depending on light cycle like long veg or no veg and with some genetics being heavy or light feeders, minor adjustments are needed here and there with the main rule always being it's better to go less than more because you can always add but never subtract.

I'm still hung up on some stuff about the myco products being used in water culture. Some things don't seem to jive and the way to it may actually be far more simple and radical. IDK for sure but if I get a wild hair up my butt and decide to run a DWC protoype I'll do it. It involves tea bags lol.
But yeah there are microbes that live on and in roots but just unsure if they actually survive the DWC bath. Obviously some microbial life exists down there, just not soil born networks of life and more like archaea and enzymes, the cleaners of the microbial world.
There are products out there given to us by the demand of bro science without any benefit at all other than demand. Some of these round pegs in square hole microbials, under canopy lighting, black light poster lights, and more are out there meant for growers but are actually worthless to us. So I'm trying to figure out of the mycos in water culture is one of those things.
 
There's a handful of factors that can make your ppm drop but your plants should tell you they can take and need more by how they're growing.
It should be very aggressive and you feed that like shoveling coal into a furnace to keep it up. Plants don't really like the feast and famine thing but rather a steady IV like drip of ever increasing food until it hits the limit and you run that plateau until it's time to taper down into ripening.
I feed according to the plants needs in coordination with the feed chart to know maximum strength. Like the feed chart sets the limits and I find the sweet spot between min and max by the plants' conditions. If the plants are getting fatter and taller and branching out more and more, like 1-2" all around each day, you're probably operating at around maximum optimal levels of food. And you keep that up otherwise it's like taking a fat kid to McDonalds but don't let him eat. He's gonna throw a tantrum!

It's been a long time but I knew Lucas to start week one 2ml Micro and 4ml bloom per gallon of water.
Each week Micro increases by 1 and bloom by 2 so for week 2 it would be 3ml mico and 6ml bloom
Week 3: Micro 4 ml and Bloom 8ml
Week 4: Micro 5ml and Bloom 10ml.

It increases like that each week until it's at week 8 topping off at 8ml micro and 16ml and you ride that until harvest.
Everything up to week 4 is pretty much a Veg formula and everything after is Bloom so depending on light cycle like long veg or no veg and with some genetics being heavy or light feeders, minor adjustments are needed here and there with the main rule always being it's better to go less than more because you can always add but never subtract.

I'm still hung up on some stuff about the myco products being used in water culture. Some things don't seem to jive and the way to it may actually be far more simple and radical. IDK for sure but if I get a wild hair up my butt and decide to run a DWC protoype I'll do it. It involves tea bags lol.
But yeah there are microbes that live on and in roots but just unsure if they actually survive the DWC bath. Obviously some microbial life exists down there, just not soil born networks of life and more like archaea and enzymes, the cleaners of the microbial world.
There are products out there given to us by the demand of bro science without any benefit at all other than demand. Some of these round pegs in square hole microbials, under canopy lighting, black light poster lights, and more are out there meant for growers but are actually worthless to us. So I'm trying to figure out of the mycos in water culture is one of those things.

oh.. alright i'll try cranking it up.. the only example chart i have is this one..

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back when i tried to grow by a calendar it progressively got worse and worse each week so i ain't gonna lie i'm nervous as hell. but the plants also weren't growing like this then so i'll try it... i won't go as aggressive as this chart but i get your point, if all systems are a go then keep increasing, don't sit stagnant like i have been doing. i'll aim for 1/2 strength

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there are growers that don't use mycos. i honestly never tried. always thought i needed them.
i never heard of anyone trying archaea though.. i remember when i first added that in my pond it worked great, made the algae even grow harder! everything seemed to feed off that stuff!!

i've been thinking of maybe using partial tap and partial of my pond water.

i kinda just want to grow this first round by textbook but honestly the textbooks are so far all over the place from each other that i have no idea what even is textbook at this point.
 
so i changed out that solution and bumped it up to 1/2 strength at about 500ppm.. i did not add any big foot. and i lowered the water level to fighting height. i now have the proper one inch air gap between the bottom of the netcup and the water surface...

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i was a little wrong on my volume estimates earlier... turns out the system total at this height is 28 gallons total. i was also wrong in the amounts left in each plant site. it is two gallons each, so the plant sites hold 4 gallons and the rez holds 24 gallons. so to get a 90%+ volume changeout i will need to take the extra step of pumping out the plant sites as well... emptying just the rez only gets me 85.7%, might be good enough for in veg or flower but maybe not enough for going from veg to flower. i'll figure it out via FAFO. for now i know for sure that if i do a rez change it's 24 gallons, if i do a full system change it's 28 gallons..
 
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back when i tried to grow by a calendar it progressively got worse and worse each week so i ain't gonna lie i'm nervous as hell. but the plants also weren't growing like this then so i'll try it... i won't go as aggressive as this chart but i get your point, if all systems are a go then keep increasing, don't sit stagnant like i have been doing. i'll aim for 1/2 strength

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there are growers that don't use mycos. i honestly never tried. always thought i needed them.
i never heard of anyone trying archaea though.. i remember when i first added that in my pond it worked great, made the algae even grow harder! everything seemed to feed off that stuff!!

i've been thinking of maybe using partial tap and partial of my pond water.

i kinda just want to grow this first round by textbook but honestly the textbooks are so far all over the place from each other that i have no idea what even is textbook at this point.

I'm kind of a stickler about the fundamentals of hydro so there's degrees to it where I make sure I stay within the "rules" and the rez changes are part of that. They suck and it's costly being the one major negative about hydro but I love the garden the day after a change because it gets so jacked up and excited.
The other side is show me a rez over two weeks old and I'll show you plants with some issues so for me it just has to be done.

I believe there's a lot lost in translation when it comes to microherds or bennies or whatever lingo is used.
Those terms are like trying to describe the difference between Chevy and Ford and the only word you can use is car.

I'd encourage fact checking me and independent discovery here as well.
The species and ingredients in products like Bigfoot are ancient, foundation of life type critters in Earth's soil and plants as well as human digestive system, sea sponges and more.
When they're alive and doing well in soil they can be seen to the naked eye and almost look like web or the precursor to mushrooms.

Have you ever seen that webbing on anybody's DWC roots like we do in soil? That's my first clue to it not being applicable in hydro.
Next, those species for the most part, break down organic matter so it can be taken up by plants. Some convert it to sugar, some nitrates, and so on. They're processors of ingredients to make it into food for the plants.
Some of these can work in soiless so I use them but they're no where near as effective or noticeable as when I use them in organic soil.

In hydro, your food is liquid and already available for uptake so there's no need for microbes to process it.
Your plants will take it all up and sometimes go gluttonous and burn up.
That's where the feed chart comes in to help keep you from redlining. It's still ez to do so thru trial and error, you find your way there to the happy place your nutes, plants, and water are all in sync.
Usually, staying below max strength and avoiding any bloom boosters or anything piled on top of Lucas should get you to the end with success.
Your biggest asset there is just the fact that it's hydroponics and the way it gets food and oxygen to your roots.

If your micro does not have the + symbol on the label you may also need calmag. IDK if that's a thing anymore but it once was.

Somewhere along the lines mycos products mistakenly became the "bennies" for DWC. If anything that would seem to be a placebo effect or maybe even something that could go alive then dead and become toxic to the garden.

The "bennies" for DWC are enzymes. More specifically whatever propitiatory enzyme Hygrozyme makes for indoor gardening.

So you really have two versions of bennies. 1 for soil and 1 for water and they're no where close to being the same.

The only need for that microbial enzyme life is to prevent and kill off root rot. No other benefit than prevention so you know it's working by not seeing root rot or if you get it, that stuff will clean it up to pearly white in short order.
Archae and trichoderma can also help a ton here but they can be overwhelmed. The enzymes make sure the empire doesn't fall.

That chart looks about like what I remember running it. Very simple and yeah no xtra stuff meant to go in soils.
Lucas is pretty much the commercial hydroponic nute formula for cannabis during a time when cannabis was mostly illegal.
Normal crops like hydro strawberry are also two part with a crop specific salt and calcium nitrate brought to a low EC for small plants and a higher EC for adult plants. It's actually kinda clunky in that version but with the liquid GH version it's streamlined and cleaned up but we're also paying more for that cleanliness.

so i changed out that solution and bumped it up to 1/2 strength at about 500ppm.. i did not add any big foot. and i lowered the water level to fighting height. i now have the proper one inch air gap between the bottom of the netcup and the water surface...

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i was a little wrong on my volume estimates earlier... turns out the system total at this height is 28 gallons total. i was also wrong in the amounts left in each plant site. it is two gallons each, so the plant sites hold 4 gallons and the rez holds 24 gallons. so to get a 90%+ volume changeout i will need to take the extra step of pumping out the plant sites as well... emptying just the rez only gets me 85.7%, might be good enough for in veg or flower but maybe not enough for going from veg to flower. i'll figure it out via FAFO. for now i know for sure that if i do a rez change it's 24 gallons, if i do a full system change it's 28 gallons..

It's agriculture man, they'll forgive you :ROFLMAO:
FWIW when I say 90%, 85.7% is just as good. None of this stuff has to be on the dial exact so 90% translates to almost all of it.
The only reason to leave a little in there is for any beneficial microbial transition as a new starter but if there's a problem going on then there's been a time or two when I've taken the rez out to wash with the garden hose before I reset it.
That's usually if I see any kind of red gunk or slime or oil slick looking deal on the surface
 
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I'm kind of a stickler about the fundamentals of hydro so there's degrees to it where I make sure I stay within the "rules" and the rez changes are part of that. They suck and it's costly being the one major negative about hydro but I love the garden the day after a change because it gets so jacked up and excited.
The other side is show me a rez over two weeks old and I'll show you plants with some issues so for me it just has to be done.

I believe there's a lot lost in translation when it comes to microherds or bennies or whatever lingo is used.
Those terms are like trying to describe the difference between Chevy and Ford and the only word you can use is car.

I'd encourage fact checking me and independent discovery here as well.
The species and ingredients in products like Bigfoot are ancient, foundation of life type critters in Earth's soil and plants as well as human digestive system, sea sponges and more.
When they're alive and doing well in soil they can be seen to the naked eye and almost look like web or the precursor to mushrooms.

Have you ever seen that webbing on anybody's DWC roots like we do in soil? That's my first clue to it not being applicable in hydro.
Next, those species for the most part, break down organic matter so it can be taken up by plants. Some convert it to sugar, some nitrates, and so on. They're processors of ingredients to make it into food for the plants.
Some of these can work in soiless so I use them but they're no where near as effective or noticeable as when I use them in organic soil.

In hydro, your food is liquid and already available for uptake so there's no need for microbes to process it.
Your plants will take it all up and sometimes go gluttonous and burn up.
That's where the feed chart comes in to help keep you from redlining. It's still ez to do so thru trial and error, you find your way there to the happy place your nutes, plants, and water are all in sync.
Usually, staying below max strength and avoiding any bloom boosters or anything piled on top of Lucas should get you to the end with success.
Your biggest asset there is just the fact that it's hydroponics and the way it gets food and oxygen to your roots.

If your micro does not have the + symbol on the label you may also need calmag. IDK if that's a thing anymore but it once was.

Somewhere along the lines mycos products mistakenly became the "bennies" for DWC. If anything that would seem to be a placebo effect or maybe even something that could go alive then dead and become toxic to the garden.

The "bennies" for DWC are enzymes. More specifically whatever propitiatory enzyme Hygrozyme makes for indoor gardening.

So you really have two versions of bennies. 1 for soil and 1 for water and they're no where close to being the same.

The only need for that microbial enzyme life is to prevent and kill off root rot. No other benefit than prevention so you know it's working by not seeing root rot or if you get it, that stuff will clean it up to pearly white in short order.
Archae and trichoderma can also help a ton here but they can be overwhelmed. The enzymes make sure the empire doesn't fall.

That chart looks about like what I remember running it. Very simple and yeah no xtra stuff meant to go in soils.
Lucas is pretty much the commercial hydroponic nute formula for cannabis during a time when cannabis was mostly illegal.
Normal crops like hydro strawberry are also two part with a crop specific salt and calcium nitrate brought to a low EC for small plants and a higher EC for adult plants. It's actually kinda clunky in that version but with the liquid GH version it's streamlined and cleaned up but we're also paying more for that cleanliness.



It's agriculture man, they'll forgive you :ROFLMAO:
FWIW when I say 90%, 85.7% is just as good. None of this stuff has to be on the dial exact so 90% translates to almost all of it.
The only reason to leave a little in there is for any beneficial microbial transition as a new starter but if there's a problem going on then there's been a time or two when I've taken the rez out to wash with the garden hose before I reset it.
That's usually if I see any kind of red gunk or slime or oil slick looking deal on the surface

thanks man, this all makes sense to me and you make it easy to understand.

you're right i never really thought about it but i can see microbial activity in just a few hours in a brewer. i never get anything even like that in the rdwc.

and i understand what you mean about the often change outs. it makes sense. it got my calculator working last night and ya know it's not as bad as it seems, it sounds worse when you say it every week but my soil runs cost me over $200 in stuff that just gets tossed at the end. i think the waste sounds like a lot but i'd like to try the hard math and see... so i only had a couple hundred ml in nutes so i ordered a gallon of each, i know i'll use way more bloom than micro but i'm curious to see how much of it i use for the grow. if i were to buy them in 2.5 gallon jugs then the price would almost drop in half!!

if i could grow with just lucas and hygrozyme i bet the price would be much lower than my soil costs.

i'll give this a try man, i dont have the hygrozyme yet but it varies in price on how much you buy. do you happen to know what kind of shelf life it has?
it runs around $70 a liter, if i buy four liters at a time its less than half that price. but it would take me quite a while to use a whole gallon. if needed i'll buy just the one liter to start and see how far it takes me.

for what it's worth i have been adding the K4less enzyme since the very beginning. i already own it, so i may as well use it. i've been adding it at twice the recommended dose.

and i understand your point on the often water change, get rid of it before it even starts to become an issue. i get it and i need to get out of my head on the waste. one thing i would like to try to help that waste is to use 40% rain water and 60% of my tap. this would cut my money water waste down to under 20 gallons a week. i could live with that. not happy about it but could deal with it. if i put in some extra work i could repurpose that 20 gallons in the garden and flowers. i read that some people in my water situation do the 60/40 thing and still get plenty of calcium.

we just had a rouge rain storm topping off my rain collector again.. i'm just wasting that water if i don't use it. and right now i have that water cleaner than it's ever been. i'd drink it!!!!

and it would be very convenient if i could let that four gallons sit in the bottom of the plant sites for a change out. once in a while wouldn't be bad but every week would become a little pita for me so it's nice to hear that i should be close enough. if it's not enough i'll make something to make it easier. hands and knees with a small shop vac is not the answer!!

right now they seem to be growing at a good rate, not mind blowing or anything but making progress... they've grown a couple nodes since i topped them.

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the cloner plants are looking good yet too.. i keep trimming their roots to keep them manageable.. i have no idea what i'm going to do with them...

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or these little seedlings i started... they're gps.. doh!!!

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thanks man, this all makes sense to me and you make it easy to understand.

you're right i never really thought about it but i can see microbial activity in just a few hours in a brewer. i never get anything even like that in the rdwc.

and i understand what you mean about the often change outs. it makes sense. it got my calculator working last night and ya know it's not as bad as it seems, it sounds worse when you say it every week but my soil runs cost me over $200 in stuff that just gets tossed at the end. i think the waste sounds like a lot but i'd like to try the hard math and see... so i only had a couple hundred ml in nutes so i ordered a gallon of each, i know i'll use way more bloom than micro but i'm curious to see how much of it i use for the grow. if i were to buy them in 2.5 gallon jugs then the price would almost drop in half!!

if i could grow with just lucas and hygrozyme i bet the price would be much lower than my soil costs.

i'll give this a try man, i dont have the hygrozyme yet but it varies in price on how much you buy. do you happen to know what kind of shelf life it has?
it runs around $70 a liter, if i buy four liters at a time its less than half that price. but it would take me quite a while to use a whole gallon. if needed i'll buy just the one liter to start and see how far it takes me.

for what it's worth i have been adding the K4less enzyme since the very beginning. i already own it, so i may as well use it. i've been adding it at twice the recommended dose.

and i understand your point on the often water change, get rid of it before it even starts to become an issue. i get it and i need to get out of my head on the waste. one thing i would like to try to help that waste is to use 40% rain water and 60% of my tap. this would cut my money water waste down to under 20 gallons a week. i could live with that. not happy about it but could deal with it. if i put in some extra work i could repurpose that 20 gallons in the garden and flowers. i read that some people in my water situation do the 60/40 thing and still get plenty of calcium.

we just had a rouge rain storm topping off my rain collector again.. i'm just wasting that water if i don't use it. and right now i have that water cleaner than it's ever been. i'd drink it!!!!

and it would be very convenient if i could let that four gallons sit in the bottom of the plant sites for a change out. once in a while wouldn't be bad but every week would become a little pita for me so it's nice to hear that i should be close enough. if it's not enough i'll make something to make it easier. hands and knees with a small shop vac is not the answer!!

right now they seem to be growing at a good rate, not mind blowing or anything but making progress... they've grown a couple nodes since i topped them.

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the cloner plants are looking good yet too.. i keep trimming their roots to keep them manageable.. i have no idea what i'm going to do with them...

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or these little seedlings i started... they're gps.. doh!!!

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I mean the next logical step after adding mycos to DWC would be 1000 red wigglers in there going for a swim right? :ROFLMAO: My mind goes in weird spaces when I think about this microbiology stuff.
The thing about the enzymes is you may not even need them. Some are just lucky that way and it's usually DWC growers living in the north.
But if you do the thing to look for is the ones containing cellulase and or xylanase if they list the ingredients. I think Hygrozyme has both but most are one or the other.
I have a bottle containing cellulase I'll stick in your box but first I'll check to see if it still works.
This is an ez test you can do with your K4L stuff and any other 'zyme you get...

Add 2TSP of enzyme product to 1 cup of water and mix it well.
Cut a 1"x1" square of paper and put it in the mixture and push it down until it settles on the bottom of the cup
Let it sit for 24 hours
After 24 hours stir the paper around. It should disintegrate. If it does, the enzymes are still viable. If it doesn't disintegrate, the enzyme product is useless.
They should last around 2 years from time of purchase.
I hear good things about Cannazyme and what I'm gonna send you did seem to prevent anything like that in my strawberry tower but it's old and been in my hot AF grow room since I got it. The stuff I have is from Humboldt Secret. But yeah Hygrozyme is the king there.

I was lucky when I switched from soil to hydro because HTG has been liquidating a 3 part from Fox Farm for half price that does really well for me and my water.
Just one of those things where you'll find it too where a certain type of nute, not really a brand but a formula, syncs up well with your water and makes it look and go so easy.
Lucas does well for me like the GH 3 part as well but the premium 3 parts make it super ez and seem to be made for my water.
I've even done test grows using shop samples of the multi part super expensive stuff and did well with it but just too much to think about.
I like to take points from commercial growers there too because cost overhead is always a thing for them so they know the best bang for the buck on nutes. Whenever I see a commercial grow I'm looking under the tables and in the background to see what they're feeding.

I have ideas about things like tea bags full of coco chips in a rez to extract trichoderma, an anti fungus fungus that might hold up in a water batch. I've also thought about tea bags of crab meal so they seep calmag + chitin into the rez. Those could be huge costs savers if they work. Lots of evidence suggests they would.

It's far more cost friendly today for me than it was with soil especially the last two years when bags crossed the $40 mark for me. $20 was outstanding, $35 pushed the limit and $40 made me go back to coco hydro. A soil grow could run me close to $300 but hydro is only around $50 if that. Fun factor went way up too as I think I got bored with soil so the change was exciting.
I use 40 gallons at the start of the week and am dumping 25 at the end of the weed but it's not completely wasted since landscaping plants and trees and grass love some spent up hydro sauce.
But at least it's not RO so I can smile about that small victory.
In the end though is why aquaponics is the shit. It's truly no dump no waste, top off only hydro and it's organic even if the fish food is not organic.
 
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I mean the next logical step after adding mycos to DWC would be 1000 red wigglers in there going for a swim right? :ROFLMAO: My mind goes in weird spaces when I think about this microbiology stuff.
The thing about the enzymes is you may not even need them. Some are just lucky that way and it's usually DWC growers living in the north.
But if you do the thing to look for is the ones containing cellulase and or xylanase if they list the ingredients. I think Hygrozyme has both but most are one or the other.
I have a bottle containing cellulase I'll stick in your box but first I'll check to see if it still works.
This is an ez test you can do with your K4L stuff and any other 'zyme you get...

Add 2TSP of enzyme product to 1 cup of water and mix it well.
Cut a 1"x1" square of paper and put it in the mixture and push it down until it settles on the bottom of the cup
Let it sit for 24 hours
After 24 hours stir the paper around. It should disintegrate. If it does, the enzymes are still viable. If it doesn't disintegrate, the enzyme product is useless.
They should last around 2 years from time of purchase.
I hear good things about Cannazyme and what I'm gonna send you did seem to prevent anything like that in my strawberry tower but it's old and been in my hot AF grow room since I got it. The stuff I have is from Humboldt Secret. But yeah Hygrozyme is the king there.

I was lucky when I switched from soil to hydro because HTG has been liquidating a 3 part from Fox Farm for half price that does really well for me and my water.
Just one of those things where you'll find it too where a certain type of nute, not really a brand but a formula, syncs up well with your water and makes it look and go so easy.
Lucas does well for me like the GH 3 part as well but the premium 3 parts make it super ez and seem to be made for my water.
I've even done test grows using shop samples of the multi part super expensive stuff and did well with it but just too much to think about.
I like to take points from commercial growers there too because cost overhead is always a thing for them so they know the best bang for the buck on nutes. Whenever I see a commercial grow I'm looking under the tables and in the background to see what they're feeding.

I have ideas about things like tea bags full of coco chips in a rez to extract trichoderma, an anti fungus fungus that might hold up in a water batch. I've also thought about tea bags of crab meal so they seep calmag + chitin into the rez. Those could be huge costs savers if they work. Lots of evidence suggests they would.

It's far more cost friendly today for me than it was with soil especially the last two years when bags crossed the $40 mark for me. $20 was outstanding, $35 pushed the limit and $40 made me go back to coco hydro. A soil grow could run me close to $300 but hydro is only around $50 if that. Fun factor went way up too as I think I got bored with soil so the change was exciting.
I use 40 gallons at the start of the week and am dumping 25 at the end of the weed but it's not completely wasted since landscaping plants and trees and grass love some spent up hydro sauce.
But at least it's not RO so I can smile about that small victory.
In the end though is why aquaponics is the shit. It's truly no dump no waste, top off only hydro and it's organic even if the fish food is not organic.

thats a really cool idea with testing the two different enzymes i have now. i will for sure without a doubt get some in a glass tonight!! if nothing else i'll be sure it can eat paper!!! hahaha but man after reading all the testimonies and write ups on the Hygrozyme i decided to just go ahead and order a jug. i just gotta try it for myself. so i have a 4 liter jug on the way.

the plants are kicking in now, and the ppms are dropping.. i'm down 60ppm in just two days. everything is telling me to ramp it up a little more, i keep getting the visual now of shoveling coal into a hot furnace trying to keep it stoked!! haha i have the full strength mixed up already so i'm going to do another half change out and bring up the nutes another 150ppm. i think i'm gonna boost the lights a little more at the same time. i really think it's time to grab another gear!!

leaves are starting to get paw size... and nice white veins!!!

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i would like to give the trio a try again sometime.. when i had all the problems with the trio balance i was using all that calmag and agsil16 stuff for buffer and struggled to keep it steady then thats when Grump suggested not putting that stuff in and just go with nutes.. this was the same time i was reading about lucas being good for tap water.. so i went full steam ahead once i realized it worked so good for my water.. knowing this now i would really like to go back and try the trio once again. beside i have a full bottle of the green stuff left!!! hehe

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also found some time to clean under the soil plants.. at least the best i could anyway till my back said "okay thats enough" .. got enough that i can get a fan under there now and get a nice breeze up their skirts!!!

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i also topped each container with couple fresh scoops of soil loaded heavy with greengro bloom, great white, and honey powder. buds are already thanking me for it!!! i'm pretty happy with these for just starting week 5.. there's only one thing i'm doing different this round and i think it's making a difference.... i know this may sound silly but i have the lights turned back a bunch more than normal. only at 60-60-60

look man you know more about these 550's than anyone i know.. in fact, the right one is your old light!!
do you think i could have been putting too much power on my plants in the past? like can those two 550's actually put out more than i need?

maybe my little area and the photons i'm putting in there is too much for the other limiting factors i have, like lack of head room, not so perfect rh and temps, low side of co2... with those factors not firing on all 8 perfect do you think maybe i was throwing more light than they really wanted in the past grows? or am i just lucky this time? haha

they just seem to be looking better than normal for me...

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This is an ez test you can do with your K4L stuff and any other 'zyme you get...

Add 2TSP of enzyme product to 1 cup of water and mix it well.
Cut a 1"x1" square of paper and put it in the mixture and push it down until it settles on the bottom of the cup
Let it sit for 24 hours
After 24 hours stir the paper around. It should disintegrate. If it does, the enzymes are still viable. If it doesn't disintegrate, the enzyme product is useless.

results are in....

i went with three glasses, one just water as a control, the second is vita drops from the grow co., and the third is K4L. i added enough enzymes that would be enough for one gallon of water in just these couple ounces and let them sit for a day. then gave each one a swirl a this is what i saw... the water and the grow co. are the same, no changes at all, could prolly pull the paper out dry it off and still use it.

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the K4Less glass has turned all the paper to pulp, turned kinda yellow, and also has an odor of almost like yeast in a mash barrel smell. so this one for sure is still viable and not dead. however this still does not tell me if the enzymes are the specific strain i am looking for. they've always been honest with me in the past when i called and ask a question straight up. i think i'm gonna call k4l and see if i can get any information on it.

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i'm going to repeat this test once i get the Hygrozyme.

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plants loved the boost in food and light the other day, originally i put in 500ppm, in two days it dropped to 440. so the other day i bumped it up to 650ppm, today it's back down 600... time to give em more i think. if i'm quiet i can almost hear them growing right now!!! hahahahaha

all smiles with all the gardens right now!!!

even got some Bandit one and Bandit two melon plants in the ground!!!!! put some of Zen's melon plants in the ground too.. so hoping nothing goes after them!! i'm on full alert right now. last week i put out three small ghost chilis and the next day some asshole animal dug them up and left the plants next to the holes to die.. i have no idea why either, the soil was way old and couldn't have had a crab smell by that point. besides it was a tiny amount of fresh soil and under weed block!!! i think it just wanted to be a jerk and dig my stuff up for no reason. well i already have two window screens out pointing that way and i swear i'll shoot anything that even steps on that weed block out there!!!! i'm retty sure it was a coon, and i'm almost positive i know just which one it is!!! and some deer already mowed the entire top of our rose bush again!!! muther fucker is lucky is i didn't see it that all i got to say!! i wasn't even the one the most pissed, i told Cindy and she slammed her bowl on the table and cussed and everything she was hot!!!!!
 
i ran a hardline 12/2 and put in a 2 gang receptacle to plug in my chiller and pump, was also able to plug in my air pump to clean up that cable.. gained back one of my favorite extension cords in doing so and also freed up two outlets on my power strip!!!

a little before n after....

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thats a really cool idea with testing the two different enzymes i have now. i will for sure without a doubt get some in a glass tonight!! if nothing else i'll be sure it can eat paper!!! hahaha but man after reading all the testimonies and write ups on the Hygrozyme i decided to just go ahead and order a jug. i just gotta try it for myself. so i have a 4 liter jug on the way.

the plants are kicking in now, and the ppms are dropping.. i'm down 60ppm in just two days. everything is telling me to ramp it up a little more, i keep getting the visual now of shoveling coal into a hot furnace trying to keep it stoked!! haha i have the full strength mixed up already so i'm going to do another half change out and bring up the nutes another 150ppm. i think i'm gonna boost the lights a little more at the same time. i really think it's time to grab another gear!!

leaves are starting to get paw size... and nice white veins!!!

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i would like to give the trio a try again sometime.. when i had all the problems with the trio balance i was using all that calmag and agsil16 stuff for buffer and struggled to keep it steady then thats when Grump suggested not putting that stuff in and just go with nutes.. this was the same time i was reading about lucas being good for tap water.. so i went full steam ahead once i realized it worked so good for my water.. knowing this now i would really like to go back and try the trio once again. beside i have a full bottle of the green stuff left!!! hehe

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also found some time to clean under the soil plants.. at least the best i could anyway till my back said "okay thats enough" .. got enough that i can get a fan under there now and get a nice breeze up their skirts!!!

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i also topped each container with couple fresh scoops of soil loaded heavy with greengro bloom, great white, and honey powder. buds are already thanking me for it!!! i'm pretty happy with these for just starting week 5.. there's only one thing i'm doing different this round and i think it's making a difference.... i know this may sound silly but i have the lights turned back a bunch more than normal. only at 60-60-60

look man you know more about these 550's than anyone i know.. in fact, the right one is your old light!!
do you think i could have been putting too much power on my plants in the past? like can those two 550's actually put out more than i need?

maybe my little area and the photons i'm putting in there is too much for the other limiting factors i have, like lack of head room, not so perfect rh and temps, low side of co2... with those factors not firing on all 8 perfect do you think maybe i was throwing more light than they really wanted in the past grows? or am i just lucky this time? haha

they just seem to be looking better than normal for me...

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They looks outstanding from here!

I suppose it's possible to over do it with a 550 but rare IMO. Only negative I saw was bleaching after the light was at max power and inches away from bud tops. It wasn't harsh like other lights and plants adapted well to it seemingly no matter what I did
I was a big believer in running that light between 20 and 30 inches above target and as long as plants could take it, keep walking it up just like the nutes until it's maxed out.

I don't put my 275 on a controller and just let go on max even with new sprouts at about 30". It can grow them up until around the 5th node then I need more light so it's kinda under powered when it's time to get down to business and the garden grows but it does exactly what I expect it to do and does it great.

With 550s I would go from around 50% to 100% in a matter of days. If they like it each time I send more power then I keep doing it until something cries mercy like headroom or I just run out of power and everything is at max.
For me, no matter what spectrum ratio I tried, they all worked great. Almost too user friendly with no wrong answer. I settled on balanced +/- 10 veg/bloom then max power and throw every photon I can muster after week 4 bloom. Raise and maintain at 30 inches then to 20 then do what you can. If any issue pops up it would be bleaching.
When I had any issues I couldn't ever say it was those lights. Pretty much the opposite in they were reliably consistent and it was hard to hurt a garden with too much light at any point. And that's from somebody who would rather run the light higher up at more power than lower and reduced power. I do that shoveling coal thing from up top too with the lights and the 550 was always great at doing that.

I really don't think we grow gardens big enough to have a need for supplemental CO2. I keep a monitor of it and best I can tell is when my garden is maxed out, it's only extracting around 150ppm of co2 from the air.
Ambient in home where I draw air around 650 then drops to around 400 in the room with the plants taking it up. I get pretty good growth rates at a speedy clip with that air. Good dense buds and expected ripening times.
In the cold seasons when gas appliances are running and I can get up to 2000ppm of free CO2 it's not like it's some great game changer and every garden is bigger and finishes early because of it. With or without, results are static. If it was that big of difference then I'd subscribe to it but it's not.
When I had a tank system, no noticeable effects other than rising cost of operation.
When I had a NG co2 generator, same thing as tanks but with crazy heat and open flame in the grow room.

CO2, no matter how it's being marketed and described today by new companies and VPD math etc, seems to be what it's always been for after these reinventions...
A sealed space that has no incoming fresh air... interior air is not exhausted but conditioned and scrubbed... and a very large garden that can pull so much co2 from the air it depletes it to the point it goes below 300ppm and stalls growth then a minimum of 1200ppm is needed to maintain and supplement for bigger faster buds.

I'd even go as far to say that probably 99% of indoor grows I see do not need co2 and are just fine with a fresh air exchange if fresh air can be ran to the space.
It all starts with monitoring though and seeing what your garden is actually taking in. You can dump 2000ppm on them but if they only want 650 then all that extra gas goes to waste so that needs to be identified first before investing in it

results are in....

i went with three glasses, one just water as a control, the second is vita drops from the grow co., and the third is K4L. i added enough enzymes that would be enough for one gallon of water in just these couple ounces and let them sit for a day. then gave each one a swirl a this is what i saw... the water and the grow co. are the same, no changes at all, could prolly pull the paper out dry it off and still use it.

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the K4Less glass has turned all the paper to pulp, turned kinda yellow, and also has an odor of almost like yeast in a mash barrel smell. so this one for sure is still viable and not dead. however this still does not tell me if the enzymes are the specific strain i am looking for. they've always been honest with me in the past when i called and ask a question straight up. i think i'm gonna call k4l and see if i can get any information on it.

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i'm going to repeat this test once i get the Hygrozyme.

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plants loved the boost in food and light the other day, originally i put in 500ppm, in two days it dropped to 440. so the other day i bumped it up to 650ppm, today it's back down 600... time to give em more i think. if i'm quiet i can almost hear them growing right now!!! hahahahaha

all smiles with all the gardens right now!!!

even got some Bandit one and Bandit two melon plants in the ground!!!!! put some of Zen's melon plants in the ground too.. so hoping nothing goes after them!! i'm on full alert right now. last week i put out three small ghost chilis and the next day some asshole animal dug them up and left the plants next to the holes to die.. i have no idea why either, the soil was way old and couldn't have had a crab smell by that point. besides it was a tiny amount of fresh soil and under weed block!!! i think it just wanted to be a jerk and dig my stuff up for no reason. well i already have two window screens out pointing that way and i swear i'll shoot anything that even steps on that weed block out there!!!! i'm retty sure it was a coon, and i'm almost positive i know just which one it is!!! and some deer already mowed the entire top of our rose bush again!!! muther fucker is lucky is i didn't see it that all i got to say!! i wasn't even the one the most pissed, i told Cindy and she slammed her bowl on the table and cussed and everything she was hot!!!!!

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I'd bet the K4L is cellulase but that's really good to see it being viable.
That's all it takes and how it works!
Enzymes are pretty much like a detergent in fact we use them as a detergent in sports uniforms so yeah once they clean up roots all should be well after dumping and replenishing the rez. When they're going strong that's when it's good idea to leave some old rez behind then the enzymes are already there and will grow more while you use less product.
They grow and spread almost like soap suds so like doing dishes you add the soap to the water but once you add spray it suds up and creates that foam. Enzymes work in a very similar way.

I bet that was a 'coon. They do that shit. Dig it up and leave the whole plant next to the hole like that just sat there eating dirt. They're assholes like that:mad:
 
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