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So i think its because i never had the net secure, so the plants pushed it up making it seem like i only got 2-3 inches of stretch.
that's part of why i stopped bothering with scrogs. getting the net to stay put without using some kind of seriously rigid material was always my problem. we don't give plants enough credit for how ridiculously stubborn and strong they are.
AHA! So you actually want it warmer at lights off?
correct. i don't know what the science is behind it, but it works. probably has something to do with preventing the production of some growth hormone in the plant or something.
I just need to utilize the space im using to its full potential so i think a scrog will be the best way to do that.
If you know how much stretch you'll have use it to know when to flip if you're scrogging. I try and get no more than 8" or 9" of vertical stretch through the net so that the netline bud sites get enough PPFD.
I would think that since transpiration is the main lights off activity for the plant it has something to do with that? I know lights on is mostly photosynthesis.
that's raises a solid secondary point on scrogging. timing the flip is critical so you can manage some of the stretch by continuing to tuck while also getting the advantage of a level crop across the surface of the screen.
potentially. by completely fucking the VPD, the stomata stay closed so they can't transpire as effectively, thereby literally choking the growth capacity. hmmm something to think on.
Most tents have velcro at each corner to secure the inner pan. Use that keep your frame secured.I just need to utilize the space im using to its full potential so i think a scrog will be the best way to do that.
If i have too, ill screw that damned camp chair through the tent and into the god damn floor so the plant doesnt lift it up.
I didnt realize these plants were so gosh darn strong until i started growing
Mine are on the inner liner, and with my luck, itll just lift the entire thing lol.
If that is in fact what is happening I wonder what that does to overall growth rates especially in flower?
given you only apply the inverted temperature differential during the stretch period, it should have minimal impact on the overall growth rates. doing heavy defoliations can have comparable effects on stretch ime, but not nearly as severe. if you were to apply the inverted temperature differential throughout the entire flower cycle, i'm sure there would be some fairly significant plant morphology changes, many of which undesirable (less yield, slower growth rates, potential potency and terpene impacts, etc).
I gotta get scrogging down in my 2x2 so i can set up the 3x3 for 2 plant scrogs, run 5 plants in the 4x4, and veg 6 in the 2x2 in 1/2 or 1 gallon pots.
sounds like you need irrigation, automation, and to just sea of green every tent. gotta bump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers!
Im hoping i gave myself enough room lol.
I think Observer cornered the SOG market!
Keep telling my wife i need to get a 5x10 for flower and veg in the 4x4.
On this next run on flip I estimate around 8" - 10" of open net at the edges for the stretch to fill in and still give me my 9" verticals.Im hoping i gave myself enough room lol.
The table is 14" off the floor, and i have the light mounted to the top poles, which gives me like 26 inches of head space.
I know how much both strains i wanna run stretch so i think i got it this time for sure
i hear you. i want to spin up a few more rigs inside for winter veggie crops, and will need to get some kind of system going to get veggie starts started early until i can get a greenhouse built, but trying not to take up a bunch of space inside. finally have a place with breathing room, not trying to fill it up with black tents everywhere.
Wicked good info to have man, thanks.
Yeah i have a 4x4 and 3x3 in my bedroom, a 2x2 in my kitchen, and another 3x3 folded up under my bed cause my wife said no more or they could all come down
That's in the 5 x 5. In your 2 x 2 it'll be less.
If I want more stretch, I'll put then in the window for a couple hours a day. When it cools off in another month, I can use 150w HPS for extra stretch, or MH for less. Winter grows are always my best.
For sure, im gonna shoot for like 4 inches of open net probably. I know for a fact that the light i have is overkill, so i have only even run it at 50% lol. Hoping for like 14 inches of stretch, so that would give me 10" vertical growth.
Remember that the space you leave is around the perimeter of the plant. Not only 4" from tent edge but 8" between plants so that they each have 4" to grow into.
Makes sense, i kinda assumed that but wasnt sure tbh lol.
Another thought. Since we're strangling them at lights out would that be considered a stressor?
potentially, albeit a minor one. since they're not photosynthesizing i'm not sure the stress would be terribly significant given the acute application of it.
imo, yeah. that's when the plant is converting food into sugars, so stressors will have a higher impact during that time than during their dark cycle when they're not really doing anything other than dumping a shit ton of moisture.
Yeah i think i got this much figured out finally lol. Before i really didnt have a clue and was just 100% wingin' it.
I have the other half of that screen so maybe ill stick that in there at stretch to catch the top of the buds
