Stoney's Luv Shack

[Stoneyluv]

I think I'd rather deal with wild hogs than coyotes. They're here but depends on the neighborhood if they take hold. Older neighborhoods more than likely have multiple homes that know to shoot it while newer neighborhoods might take pictures and call pest control lol.
We stayed down in the desert a few summers ago where it's super primitive and wild. Coyotes come out at night and the howls sounds insanely spooky. Freaked us out because city dwelling trash eating coyotes don't really howl but down there it was freaky AF and we'd make sure the doors are locked at night.
It sounded like 5 herds of a dozen or so spread out every 1000 yards, surrounding this small town we were in.

Seems like sports is the new "computers". Like growing up, everybody said get into computers, tech, code and now AI is eliminating so much of that. But AI will never score a touchdown or sink a hole in one on a Par3 or steal home in a game 7.
As much as I dislike it, I think it's also driven by gambling. The whole sports world is like it's own separate economy and it's lucrative right now. Like the new "computers" haha
Weird as a fan though. Would like there to be more loyalty and there is but it's rare. It's mercenary ball more than anything but there's special guys out there. Mendoza is one.
The road don't matter but now that you got him, hell yeah!
Every owner is crazy too. Jerry Jones is up here dude and he's a psychopath. I hear the owner of the Jags is the money behind Spire Motorsports too.
I'd think I'd rather have a race team than a harem but that's just me

i fear we will get hogs up here one day. i can deal with stupid dogs, i don't wanna have to deal with dangerous hogs!! i hear they're as far north as west virginia.. bro thats close to me!!! closer that want hogs anyway!!!

a few years ago i was working late out in the garage and i stepped off the porch with a small pair of wire snips and a flashlight in my hand and there was a coyote standing right there a few feet from me!!! shepard size fucker too!!! he def had the upper hand but i'm so glad he didn't know it. i instantly started playing out how am i gonna get out of this one, thank goodness he just turned around and walked away. i think it may have been the flashlight that saved me from a bad night. i would have gotten fucked up.. he would have died but i would have been fucked up with a trip to the ER for sure!!!

why can't the freakin bears eat them??? those lazy asses just sit around eating berries in the woods all day!!! i see em too bastards... i like berries, save some for me wtf!!! hahaha

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wouldn't that be great to have enough money to put a sponsor on a car or better yet be part of a team!!! just show up at the shop anytime ya want!!! pit tickets comp'd all the time... way better than hookers!!!!!!!!!!
money really makes people crazy sometimes.. i'll never be crazy!! haha

we get a triple header this weekend!!! they used to never have races on mothers day. they always said they never wanted a son to die on mothers day because of a race. then they got slick and used to schedule a night race for saturday... now i guess it doesn't matter anymore. the almighty dollar rules all.

you see that tcket auction on fan rewards? man if that would have been the all-star race at dover i would have bid all my points. coke 600 is just to far for me to drive right now, but that dover race i could do!!!!

here's an $85 video intro....haha i can laugh now days later.. both our teams need some good stage points this weekend!!!!

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i had to pull an audible on the cardboard play.. nobody answered the bat signal so i bought some weed block.. just ordered another pack the same size to double it... got done as soon as the sun was setting. like 25x15 for the melon patch right now. i have no idea how much room i need. i guess a smarter guy would find that out first. I plan to start about 140 seeds.. i have seven strains and would like to start 20 of each one. i have no idea how many will come up nor how many i can even keep and fit in my area. we be wingin' it!!!!!!



still need to get cleaned up and organized inside... plans are still in the air..



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today started the 2026 outdoor season here.. i put the three plants in the ground that didn't make the cut indoors.. i never grew in this area before, it looks like it might be a nice sun spot. it was after 7pm when i was drilling the holes and the sun was still beaming me in the eye yet!!



this is the sun path they will get throughout the day...

https://imgur.com/a/Si2dXRe

so far we have these three.. all the regs i wanna grow outdoor are going in a totally different area. i think these three will be the only ones here.




and one last airpot root porn shot...




hope everyone has a really great weekend!!!!!!

OOOOh and i turned off the hydro lights... harvest is this weekend!!!!!!! new fallponics system to follow ten minutes after!!! hahaha

 

[Zen_seeker]

So far we haven’t heard of any coyote attacks in the area but in other neighbourhoods small dogs and people have been attacked.

Haven’t seen foxes lately but rabbits and possums are a nightly event. Still not used to seeing so much wildlife in the city. Raccoons and skunks will be around soon too.

BTW the cheap paper bags people use to collect leaves work in place of cardboard. They just breakdown faster, possibly better for the worms to get into.

I store my old soil in the paper bags in late fall, I put the paper bag in a used dog kibble bag first. This is because the paper bag breaks down over winter and if lucky enzymes are eating it and in the soil. Only the top of the bag is left in spring.



What remains of the paper bag inside.

 

[Stoneyluv]

So far we haven’t heard of any coyote attacks in the area but in other neighbourhoods small dogs and people have been attacked.

Haven’t seen foxes lately but rabbits and possums are a nightly event. Still not used to seeing so much wildlife in the city. Raccoons and skunks will be around soon too.

BTW the cheap paper bags people use to collect leaves work in place of cardboard. They just breakdown faster, possibly better for the worms to get into.

I store my old soil in the paper bags in late fall, I put the paper bag in a used dog kibble bag first. This is because the paper bag breaks down over winter and if lucky enzymes are eating it and in the soil. Only the top of the bag is left in spring.

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What remains of the paper bag inside.
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the breakdown and deterioration is the main reason i went with the cloth once i couldnt really get enough cardboard. i want it to stay weed blocked for the whole season. i'm not really trying to attract worms, they're already there!! i'll use all that old cardboard inside the poly tunnel. the stuff i had in there a couple years ago did a pretty good job. if i happen to have left over cloth tomorrow i will just use that instead. i also have the option of laying down old cut open chicken feed bags. prolly just like your kibble bags and i have a never ending supply.

i gotta start all the mellon seeds tonight.. i wanted to last night and then got all side tracked.. i am going to put them in soil tonight no matter what!! i'm still ahead of our safe outside date and really i am further along then most years anyway so i feel i'll be in good shape. depending on mother nature a bunch in this one though.. yikes!!!

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speaking of yikes, i saw that i had a small leak in my hydro system this whole time and didn't know it..



looks like storm system stoneyluv came tearing through here...

 

[Stoneyluv]

rock and roll!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://imgur.com/a/lEXiXQ9

leak tested and prepping already!!!! these current culture bulkheads are the tits!!!!! i could have never used them with round buckets but for flat walls oh my are they slick!!!!



inside left and right.... what i see here is two site cloner to get started!!!!!!!



command central is very similar... i put a shelf up for the air pump but it made the whole cabinet hum and bugged me out when i was right near it.. i went back to a cement block!! haha



i had a few hink ups... all my causing.. i had a small leak inside my pump, i had taken the head off and cleaned it all and saw that the one gasket looked warped and tried it anyway, nope.. it leaked! i put a new one on like i should have done when i saw it and all was good. also the left bucket inlet hose had a drip, i had only tightened the hose clamps with a screwdriver so i gave em all a few clicks with the impact and that fixed that!!!

another slight issue i now have is i reinforced the floor in the cabinet, about a year ago i put my knee through the floor about right in the middle.. it was a pita and i was afraid it was gonna get worse. so i stuffed some two by's under it and it should hold a car now!!! but in doing so it raised the front edge a scoash and now the doors are rubbing when i close them... so i took then off. i'll plane them down outside with my electric jobby.. it's quick but messy. so for now, no doors!!!!!! haha



and the only one shitty thing that happened was my clumsy ass dropped my heater off that little shelf and shattered glass all the floor... that was a $25 mistake!!!! sucks!!



other than that i couldn't be happier.... ohhhh and i also fucked up and flooded my basement last night with rain water!! not terrible but not just a little.. dumbass!!!!!!!!!

so right now i have some bleach crystals in it circulating all day.. i'll flush it out later and refill it, to get to the bottom of the netcups it was 31 gallons. pretty much the only thing left is to pick two cutting to clone...



Happy Mother Day to all the mothers!!!!!!!!!! and happy race day to all you other mutha's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha

 

[Observer]

rock and roll!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://imgur.com/a/lEXiXQ9

leak tested and prepping already!!!! these current culture bulkheads are the tits!!!!! i could have never used them with round buckets but for flat walls oh my are they slick!!!!

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inside left and right.... what i see here is two site cloner to get started!!!!!!!

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command central is very similar... i put a shelf up for the air pump but it made the whole cabinet hum and bugged me out when i was right near it.. i went back to a cement block!! haha

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i had a few hink ups... all my causing.. i had a small leak inside my pump, i had taken the head off and cleaned it all and saw that the one gasket looked warped and tried it anyway, nope.. it leaked! i put a new one on like i should have done when i saw it and all was good. also the left bucket inlet hose had a drip, i had only tightened the hose clamps with a screwdriver so i gave em all a few clicks with the impact and that fixed that!!!

another slight issue i now have is i reinforced the floor in the cabinet, about a year ago i put my knee through the floor about right in the middle.. it was a pita and i was afraid it was gonna get worse. so i stuffed some two by's under it and it should hold a car now!!! but in doing so it raised the front edge a scoash and now the doors are rubbing when i close them... so i took then off. i'll plane them down outside with my electric jobby.. it's quick but messy. so for now, no doors!!!!!! haha

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and the only one shitty thing that happened was my clumsy ass dropped my heater off that little shelf and shattered glass all the floor... that was a $25 mistake!!!! sucks!!

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other than that i couldn't be happier.... ohhhh and i also fucked up and flooded my basement last night with rain water!! not terrible but not just a little.. dumbass!!!!!!!!!

so right now i have some bleach crystals in it circulating all day.. i'll flush it out later and refill it, to get to the bottom of the netcups it was 31 gallons. pretty much the only thing left is to pick two cutting to clone...

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Happy Mother Day to all the mothers!!!!!!!!!! and happy race day to all you other mutha's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha

Looks great man

Love the bubbles.

 

[steamroller]

You can suspend the air pump to get it out of your way and keep it quiet.
Were you using the heater before?

 

[Stoneyluv]

Looks great man

Love the bubbles.

the airstones came with the kit, they put out way more bubbles than my old ones, and here i thought i had good ones in there.

i had a serious root rot issue when i harvested. something ain't working with my bennies. either two different trusted brands of powder went bad on me, or maybe something in one of those compounds of sealant was killing off the bennies. either way i had a problem big time!!!

half tempted to go sterile this first run. i have h2o2 and the ppm testing strips. i have a pretty good idea on how much to add to get it right where i want too.. hmmm.. thoughts? opinions?

You can suspend the air pump to get it out of your way and keep it quiet.
Were you using the heater before?

thats a good idea man, that worked for me with a noisy fan back in the day. worth a try for sure. plan b to that is i'm just gonna mount the shelf to concrete wall on the other side. i tried foam feet and that did nothing...

and yes on the heat.. without my water is around 62° right now.. i'll have a new one tomorrow.

 

[Observer]

the airstones came with the kit, they put out way more bubbles than my old ones, and here i thought i had good ones in there.

i had a serious root rot issue when i harvested. something ain't working with my bennies. either two different trusted brands of powder went bad on me, or maybe something in one of those compounds of sealant was killing off the bennies. either way i had a problem big time!!!

half tempted to go sterile this first run. i have h2o2 and the ppm testing strips. i have a pretty good idea on how much to add to get it right where i want too.. hmmm.. thoughts? opinions?

I use 1-8ml (3-8ml/ 2-6ml) of 34%h²o² per gallon for my sterile grows.

I suspect you can do 5ml~ 34% h²o² every 3 days, for a sterile r-dwc grow.

DO NOT mix any organic chemicals in the res though.

Leave the organics to foliar if you grow the sterile route.

 

[Observer]

I use 1-8ml (3-8ml/ 2-6ml) of 34%h²o² per gallon for my sterile grows.

I suspect you can do 5ml~ 34% h²o² every 3 days, for a sterile r-dwc grow.

DO NOT mix any organic chemicals in the res though.

Leave the organics to foliar if you grow the sterile route.

Oh, u have the o² ppm strips? I think moe. Said 10ppm for h2o2

ORP is a good metric too, if you have a sensor for that.

Not sure on the numbers though.
I think 200-400 for plants, I'd have to check back.

 

[GrumpAzz]

You can suspend the air pump to get it out of your way and keep it quiet.
Were you using the heater before?

When in doubt.. hang it out

and yes on the heat.. without my water is around 62° right now.. i'll have a new one tomorrow.

I wonder how much heat your little pump would add if you put it in the res vs inline? Sounds like a little heat would help.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Oh, u have the o² ppm strips? I think moe. Said 10ppm for h2o2

ORP is a good metric too, if you have a sensor for that.

Not sure on the numbers though.
I think 200-400 for plants, I'd have to check back.

the strips are really nice to have, takes all the guess work and math out it!!!

i have these two here to work with...



i really want to grow live and not sterile. so i think i may take a page from Moe Red's book.. i've added some h2o3 and i will let that go until it reaches zero then i will add bennies.

right now i'm sitting here.. the system is brand new and washed well. it was then circulated in bleach water for 30 hours and then flushed well with sterilized water at zero ppms. i then filled it with my filtered tap water and calibrated my ph probe and thats it so far!!! i suspect that h2o2 level will remain like this for at least a couple weeks with nothing for it to really chew on.. i'll wait it out before adding anything... maybe a little cloning powder but i doubt it right now, i've cloned plenty with just my tap and nothing else.



i'm nervous about using the benies i have because i don't think they even worked that last round. so i decided if i'm gonna be nervous about it then it should be over something new, so i ordered a small sample pack of this..



it was only $13 to inoculate for three change outs so i figured why not try!!!!! i think there are a few growers here that use this.. Steamroller, don't you use big foot?

i think the big foot is just one bacteria shy of great white.. this one bacteria i believe is doubled up in their king crab so if i use the king crab along with the big foot maybe i will have the same results.. i'm gonna at least try it because of the cost.

in the small pouch big foot comes out to $4.91 per inoculation of my setup. but if bought in a bigger jar it could be as low as $2.06 an inoculation. thats not a bad price at all for bennies!!!! i've always complained that the extras cost more than the nutes do, at that price the nutes would be the most expensive. fingers crossed!!!

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When in doubt.. hang it out


I wonder how much heat your little pump would add if you put it in the res vs inline? Sounds like a little heat would help.

i've often thought about how that would work for me. right know with it outside i run the heat for about six months and the other part of the year my chiller runs. i guess the heater would be more efficient than the chiller but i'm not 100%..

i got the new heate today and just set it on there. i had the pld one zip tied to the left over extended pipe in my rez, with these new bulkheads i lose that pipe lip and had to go with the suction cups for now. i'm not a fan of the suction cups. i might have to make a new bracket or something to hold it in the water.

i tried hanging the pump last night.. i gave up.. it was tough to suspend safely without buying a net or something to suspend it in. (maybe a bag from oranges would work) but the strings still left a slight humming sound vibrating off the cabinet. it's just the cabinet that hums though, if you walk a couple feet in any direction you can't hear it at all. but man when i'm in front of that cabinet it bugs the hell out of me.. all the wood vibrates too.. that can't be good for the electronics and stuff so i have these mason screws left over from helping a friend a couple years ago so i'm just gonna grab the hammer drill and screw that shelf right into the cement wall. thought about liquid nails to a board and then shelf to board cuz i did that once already for my water barrel.. but with it vibrating so much i think the raw dawg screws are the best choice..

plus they're black to match the shelf brackets!! .... wrong head style but beggars can't be choosers!!!



also got my doors put back on!! ever since i built that thing the one door has has always stuck a little and every time i would use my foot to close the bottom, i just got used to it and always did as second nature. then i would tug hard when opening,, well now it swings open with one finger!!!! i wonder how many times i have muscle memory and lift my foot to the door going forward!! hahahaha

the heater is bringing the temp up now and if it holds good tonight i'm going to load up the cloner and put two cuttings in the system and see what happens!!! i'd really like to flip the soil plants this week.

 

[Observer]

the strips are really nice to have, takes all the guess work and math out it!!!

i have these two here to work with...

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i really want to grow live and not sterile. so i think i may take a page from Moe Red's book.. i've added some h2o3 and i will let that go until it reaches zero then i will add bennies.

right now i'm sitting here..

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i'm nervous about using the benies i have because i don't think they even worked that last round. so i decided if i'm gonna be nervous about it then it should be over something new, so i ordered a small sample pack of this..

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it was only $13 to inoculate for three change outs so i figured why not try!!!!! i think there are a few growers here that use this.. Steamroller, don't you use big foot?

i think the big foot is just one bacteria shy of great white.. this one bacteria i believe is doubled up in their king crab so if i use the king crab along with the big foot maybe i will have the same results.. i'm gonna at least try it because of the cost.

in the small pouch big foot comes out to $4.91 per inoculation of my setup. but if bought in a bigger jar it could be as low as $2.06 an inoculation. thats not a bad price at all for bennies!!!! i've always complained that the extras cost more than the nutes do, at that price the nutes would be the most expensive. fingers crossed!!!



i've often thought about how that would work for me. right know with it outside i run the heat for about six months and the other part of the year my chiller runs. i guess the heater would be more efficient than the chiller but i'm not 100%..

i got the new heate today and just set it on there. i had the pld one zip tied to the left over extended pipe in my rez, with these new bulkheads i lose that pipe lip and had to go with the suction cups for now. i'm not a fan of the suction cups. i might have to make a new bracket or something to hold it in the water.

i tried hanging the pump last night.. i gave up.. it was tough to suspend safely without buying a net or something to suspend it in. (maybe a bag from oranges would work) but the strings still left a slight humming sound vibrating off the cabinet. it's just the cabinet that hums though, if you walk a couple feet in any direction you can't hear it at all. but man when i'm in front of that cabinet it bugs the hell out of me.. all the wood vibrates too.. that can't be good for the electronics and stuff so i have these mason screws left over from helping a friend a couple years ago so i'm just gonna grab the hammer drill and screw that shelf right into the cement wall. thought about liquid nails to a board and then shelf to board cuz i did that once already for my water barrel.. but with it vibrating so much i think the raw dawg screws are the best choice..

plus they're black to match the shelf brackets!! .... wrong head style but beggars can't be choosers!!!

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also got my doors put back on!! ever since i built that thing the one door has has always stuck a little and every time i would use my foot to close the bottom, i just got used to it and always did as second nature. then i would tug hard when opening,, well now it swings open with one finger!!!! i wonder how many times i have muscle memory and lift my foot to the door going forward!! hahahaha

the heater is bringing the temp up now and if it holds good tonight i'm going to load up the cloner and put two cuttings in the system and see what happens!!! i'd really like to flip the soil plants this week.

Everything I'm reading about bennies, or sorry, mycorrhizae fungi*(?)
in hydroponic or dwc set ups basically say its pointless, because you're delivering the water, o2 and right amount of nutrients, and mycos work by creating a symbolic relationship with the plant and they help search out for nutrients, and they start a exchange, there's no incentive for that in a artificial properly controlled environment.

but my intuition wants to disagree to some extent, at least, with mycorrhizae fungi.

Not considering the bennies (bacteria) vs negative bacteria like pythium for root rot,/context.

But the nutrient and symbiosis context, and then too strong of a current is detrimental to the bonds of the myco to the roots?

Something I need to experience with and see for my self.

Just some things to think about...

I still think MYCORRHIZAE is beneficial in hydroponic/R-DWC, environments.

"Bennies" = beneficial bacteria, which, mycorrhizae is NOT the same thing, to clarify and context.

Mycorrhizae is a fungi mycellial network that bonds to the roots in a symbiotic relationship for nutrient exchange when its scarce, in soil-enviroments.

"Bennies" = "Beneficia" bacteria that also binds (?) To the roots to "fight off" "negative bacterias"

 

[Observer]

Either way doesn't hurt, ones preference.

Go sterile + salts chemicals, or

organic derived + mycelial fungi + bennificial bacteria Chemicals.

Or whatever the fuck happens in @smoke 's grow those plant are resilient as fuck or there's some type of beneficial colony in his water.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Everything I'm reading about bennies, or sorry, mycorrhizae fungi*(?)
in hydroponic or dwc set ups basically say its pointless, because you're delivering the water, o2 and right amount of nutrients, and mycos work by creating a symbolic relationship with the plant and they help search out for nutrients, and they start a exchange, there's no incentive for that in a artificial properly controlled environment.

but my intuition wants to disagree to some extent, at least, with mycorrhizae fungi.

Not considering the bennies (bacteria) vs negative bacteria like pythium for root rot,/context.

But the nutrient and symbiosis context, and then too strong of a current is detrimental to the bonds of the myco to the roots?

Something I need to experience with and see for my self.

Just some things to think about...

I still think MYCORRHIZAE is beneficial in hydroponic/R-DWC, environments.

"Bennies" = beneficial bacteria, which, mycorrhizae is NOT the same thing, to clarify and context.

Mycorrhizae is a fungi mycellial network that bonds to the roots in a symbiotic relationship for nutrient exchange when its scarce, in soil-enviroments.

"Bennies" = "Beneficia" bacteria that also binds (?) To the roots to "fight off" "negative bacterias"

yes sir, mycorrhizae fungi.. - bennies in my language...

i only use it for root rot. my understanding is there is either good bacteria or bad bacteria and nothing else. so i try to add the good to fight the bad.

i wonder if this is the benefit of clay or coco in the netcup... to hold the bennie? or contain the bennie in the ryzophrere.. sp?? ya know?

 

[Observer]

yes sir, mycorrhizae fungi.. - bennies in my language...

i only use it for root rot. my understanding is there is either good bacteria or bad bacteria and nothing else. so i try to add the good to fight the bad.

i wonder if this is the benefit of clay or coco in the netcup... to hold the bennie? or contain the bennie in the ryzophrere.. sp?? ya know?

Excellent.

The ryzosphere is where alot of chemical reactions take place.

 

[Stoneyluv]

i uh plan to grow these commando.. i learned it from watching Grump.. and i plan to root trim.. i leaned it from watching you... these will be bare naked ladies the whole way!!!

i'll make a thread for fun!! better not fail though, i'm done with that!!!

i uh plan to grow these commando.. i learned it from watching Grump.. and i plan to root trim.. i leaned it from watching you... these will be bare naked ladies the whole way!!!

i'll make a thread for fun!! better not fail though, i'm done with that!!!

 

[Bandit420]

i only use it for root rot. my understanding is there is either good bacteria or bad bacteria and nothing else. so i try to add the good to fight the bad.

I think you want enzymes for that man. In particular, Hygrozyme

HYGROZYME | We Grow Responsibly since 1974

Hygrozyme is the world's premier horticultural enzymatic formula. It speeds the breakdown of dead root matter and stimulates microbial growth. Learn more!

hygrozyme.com

The other stuff you have there may actually cause root rot but a good enzyme will cure it and turn the waste from the rot into food.
Hygrozyme is pretty much mandatory for the DWC growers around here due to heat that causes root rot in their DWC. They'd rather use that stuff than a chiller

 

[steamroller]

Guy at the grow shop said the bigfoot was better than GW.
Said the BF was made specifically for cannabis.
I use it when up potting and have considered upping my game like you do and using it in teas or scratching it into surface with fertigation's or waterings.

 

[Observer]

I think you want enzymes for that man. In particular, Hygrozyme

HYGROZYME | We Grow Responsibly since 1974

Hygrozyme is the world's premier horticultural enzymatic formula. It speeds the breakdown of dead root matter and stimulates microbial growth. Learn more!

hygrozyme.com

The other stuff you have there may actually cause root rot but a good enzyme will cure it and turn the waste from the rot into food.
Hygrozyme is pretty much mandatory for the DWC growers around here due to heat that causes root rot in their DWC. They'd rather use that stuff than a chiller

Good add with the enzymes, I've yet to explore that, heard of hydrozyme mentioned here before

Thanks.

 

[Stoneyluv]

I think you want enzymes for that man. In particular, Hygrozyme

HYGROZYME | We Grow Responsibly since 1974

Hygrozyme is the world's premier horticultural enzymatic formula. It speeds the breakdown of dead root matter and stimulates microbial growth. Learn more!

hygrozyme.com

The other stuff you have there may actually cause root rot but a good enzyme will cure it and turn the waste from the rot into food.
Hygrozyme is pretty much mandatory for the DWC growers around here due to heat that causes root rot in their DWC. They'd rather use that stuff than a chiller

i forgot to mention the enzymes.. great point... maybe i need to switch back. when i was getting good healthy roots i was using this stuff...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C8WJX5GQ

not a terrible price but when i needed it they were out of stock.. so i went to K4Less.. damn i wonder if that was my root issue huh? i added it quite a few times and thought it was working. even bought a bigger bag on a sale after that cuz i figured i'd just use that going forward. i've always trusted them..

maybe i should order a bottle of the stuff that worked good for me.

i didn't realize the rot was all in enzyme like that.

Guy at the grow shop said the bigfoot was better than GW.
Said the BF was made specifically for cannabis.
I use it when up potting and have considered upping my game like you do and using it in teas or scratching it into surface with fertigation's or waterings.

on the label it says best in the market... they all say that!! haha

so maybe nothing is wrong with my jar of great white.. we'll find out.. sink or swim!!

 

[Observer]

i forgot to mention the enzymes.. great point... maybe i need to switch back. when i was getting good healthy roots i was using this stuff...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C8WJX5GQ

not a terrible price but when i needed it they were out of stock.. so i went to K4Less.. damn i wonder if that was my root issue huh? i added it quite a few times and thought it was working. even bought a bigger bag on a sale after that cuz i figured i'd just use that going forward. i've always trusted them..

maybe i should order a bottle of the stuff that worked good for me.

i didn't realize the rot was all in enzyme like that.

on the label it says best in the market... they all say that!! haha

Best pizza in the world!

 

[steamroller]

on the label it says best in the market... they all say that!! haha

so maybe nothing is wrong with my jar of great white.. we'll find out.. sink or swim!!

I think I remember asking here and doing a thorough search about it and found nothing notable to back the claim.
Still for what I use it for it seems to work.

 

[Stoneyluv]

I think I remember asking here and doing a thorough search about it and found nothing notable to back the claim.
Still for what I use it for it seems to work.

i need to see if i can see anything moving in my microscope like Stardog did.. makes me want to look at those enzymes i was using as well. maybe see some movement to confirm.. maybe the recommended on the label just wasn't enough. that Hygrozyme is some expensive stuff!!!

 

[Bandit420]

Guy at the grow shop said the bigfoot was better than GW.
Said the BF was made specifically for cannabis.
I use it when up potting and have considered upping my game like you do and using it in teas or scratching it into surface with fertigation's or waterings.

1-2 days after applying it should look as if plant fairies visited the garden taking old plants and leaving bigger and better plants behind when I use a good working mycos product.
Bunk or expired, never good to begin with, stored poorly, shipped too hot, are things that can effect potency but when it works it's very noticeable results.
Salty ferts and high NPK can often kill the products as well so if the metabolism doesn't show and the product is known to be good, likely salty ferts and at that point it's probably just better to run a dead soil with salt, almost like a soilless hydro medium making it lifeless.

Good add with the enzymes, I've yet to explore that, heard of hydrozyme mentioned here before

Thanks.

Mike O'Risey for soil and coco, 'zyme for DWC is what I was raised on.
I'm really surprised it's not talked about more with DWC guys on this forum. I know of it almost as if it's a religion using it with DWC. Like DWC wont work without it kinda stuff.
It's been the poor man's chiller for as long as I can remember. Was a go-to for me when I dabbled in aeroponics

i forgot to mention the enzymes.. great point... maybe i need to switch back. when i was getting good healthy roots i was using this stuff...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C8WJX5GQ

not a terrible price but when i needed it they were out of stock.. so i went to K4Less.. damn i wonder if that was my root issue huh? i added it quite a few times and thought it was working. even bought a bigger bag on a sale after that cuz i figured i'd just use that going forward. i've always trusted them..

maybe i should order a bottle of the stuff that worked good for me.

i didn't realize the rot was all in enzyme like that.



on the label it says best in the market... they all say that!! haha

so maybe nothing is wrong with my jar of great white.. we'll find out.. sink or swim!!

I'd look in the reviews before buying any knockoffs. If other growers are posting reviews comparing it to hygrozyme then I'd go for it.
I don't talk about it but I don't trust anything from K4L anymore man. Just moved on after some bad experiences with bad products so I avoid everything other than the cloning powder. I think their molssases stuff was just brown sugar. IDK but some of their shit is just weird and off compared to others

 

[GrumpAzz]

I think you want enzymes for that man. In particular, Hygrozyme

HYGROZYME | We Grow Responsibly since 1974

Hygrozyme is the world's premier horticultural enzymatic formula. It speeds the breakdown of dead root matter and stimulates microbial growth. Learn more!

hygrozyme.com

The other stuff you have there may actually cause root rot but a good enzyme will cure it and turn the waste from the rot into food.
Hygrozyme is pretty much mandatory for the DWC growers around here due to heat that causes root rot in their DWC. They'd rather use that stuff than a chiller

From what I was taught, the "bennies" are to help prevent root rot and the enzymes are a root rot remedy.

The enzymes take care of the dead or dying root matter so the pythium has nothing to eat. The bennies are there to outcompete the bad stuff so it never gets a foothold to begin with.

I'm really surprised it's not talked about more with DWC guys on this forum. I know of it almost as if it's a religion using it with DWC. Like DWC wont work without it kinda stuff.

I have a bottle of Hygrozyme that I've never opened. Likely because of my chiller use and potentially from the bennies also.

Moe made it sound like you shouldn't ever get to the point of needing the Zymes if you're doing everything else correctly.

Admittedly... I haven't researched any of it beyond Moe's tutoring and explanations, and I've been extremely fortunate to not face any rootzone issues.

 

[Bandit420]

From what I was taught, the "bennies" are to help prevent root rot and the enzymes are a root rot remedy.

The enzymes take care of the dead or dying root matter so the pythium has nothing to eat. The bennies are there to outcompete the bad stuff so it never gets a foothold to begin with.


I have a bottle of Hygrozyme that I've never opened. Likely because of my chiller use and potentially from the bennies also.

Moe made it sound like you shouldn't ever get to the point of needing the Zymes if you're doing everything else correctly.

Admittedly... I haven't researched any of it beyond Moe's tutoring and explanations, and I've been extremely fortunate to not face any rootzone issues.

I had learned to do DWC one of two ways in this climate...sterile with a chiller and h2o2 or room temp but would need the enzymes for clean up to keep it healthy.
I would keep it very simple with something like lucas formula + hygrozyme and do my best to keep water cool or at least not warmer than room temp.
Living formulas are possible but usually require a wholesale water change often or probably something like you're describing where bacteria and fungi live and die with the enzymes cleaning up and the grower keeping it in balance. I've seen one using cold compost tea and it worked but dude was living on the edge the whole time changing it every five days.
In soil and organic potting mix, the same thing happens as some ingredients are fungi to feed the blooming bacteria or provide another food or function to another species. Some are there to eat what a fungus gnat might eat so it starves the gnats. They eat each other and some simply die out as plant needs change as if their job is over and become food for something else. Overall, usually a single or few species prevail thru all the hardships and wars as the garden dies out then it all needs to be rejuvenated.

 

[Stoneyluv]

1-2 days after applying it should look as if plant fairies visited the garden taking old plants and leaving bigger and better plants behind when I use a good working mycos product.
Bunk or expired, never good to begin with, stored poorly, shipped too hot, are things that can effect potency but when it works it's very noticeable results.
Salty ferts and high NPK can often kill the products as well so if the metabolism doesn't show and the product is known to be good, likely salty ferts and at that point it's probably just better to run a dead soil with salt, almost like a soilless hydro medium making it lifeless.



Mike O'Risey for soil and coco, 'zyme for DWC is what I was raised on.
I'm really surprised it's not talked about more with DWC guys on this forum. I know of it almost as if it's a religion using it with DWC. Like DWC wont work without it kinda stuff.
It's been the poor man's chiller for as long as I can remember. Was a go-to for me when I dabbled in aeroponics



I'd look in the reviews before buying any knockoffs. If other growers are posting reviews comparing it to hygrozyme then I'd go for it.
I don't talk about it but I don't trust anything from K4L anymore man. Just moved on after some bad experiences with bad products so I avoid everything other than the cloning powder. I think their molssases stuff was just brown sugar. IDK but some of their shit is just weird and off compared to others

i should have realized it wasn't working well. i'm terrible at plant troubleshooting. i don't know why either, i'm very good at solving problems. for some reason when it comes to gardening my brain goes to mush! drives me crazy!! i used way more of that k4l enzyme than i did with the old product. i was dumping teaspoons of it right in the plant sites on top of the roots and still dark brown. i didn't really know it either. i couldn't lift those lids once the screen was in place.. that won't be an issue going forward with the new split lids.

not sure why i quick jumped to saying Hygrozyme was so expensive. i went over the math again and at the same application rate it,s only $1.68 an inoculation for my volume. i mean it's not cheap but it's not gonna break me either.

that other off brand i was using was $3.60 an inoculation. both advertise over 7000 active units per ml. both with great reviews. humbolts has one claiming the same, it was the most expensive of the three. -

when i look back at the dates and timing of when i bought stuff it all makes sense now.. way to late to know now but hopefully i can learn from this!!!

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so since i don't exactly know why i had rot issues than do you suggest i use the enzymes right from the start as soon as roots hit the water and just make it an every time thing?

right now i have h2o2 in there so i have to wait to add anything. once my h2o2 level is zero i will add the bigfoot. unless i don't have roots yet, in which case i'll probably just top off on the h202 till i have roots.. does that sound right to you?

i loaded up the aero cloner last night.. been a long time man!!! i washed it all in the sink really good inside and out first.. my heat mat underneath must have taken a crap.. water wouldn't get above 65 so i put in my chickens water heater since they won't need it anymore this year!! haha put two cuttings in the system itself to fafo..

 

[Bandit420]

i should have realized it wasn't working well. i'm terrible at plant troubleshooting. i don't know why either, i'm very good at solving problems. for some reason when it comes to gardening my brain goes to mush! drives me crazy!! i used way more of that k4l enzyme than i did with the old product. i was dumping teaspoons of it right in the plant sites on top of the roots and still dark brown. i didn't really know it either. i couldn't lift those lids once the screen was in place.. that won't be an issue going forward with the new split lids.

not sure why i quick jumped to saying Hygrozyme was so expensive. i went over the math again and at the same application rate it,s only $1.68 an inoculation for my volume. i mean it's not cheap but it's not gonna break me either.

that other off brand i was using was $3.60 an inoculation. both advertise over 7000 active units per ml. both with great reviews. humbolts has one claiming the same, it was the most expensive of the three. -

when i look back at the dates and timing of when i bought stuff it all makes sense now.. way to late to know now but hopefully i can learn from this!!!

.

so since i don't exactly know why i had rot issues than do you suggest i use the enzymes right from the start as soon as roots hit the water and just make it an every time thing?

right now i have h2o2 in there so i have to wait to add anything. once my h2o2 level is zero i will add the bigfoot. unless i don't have roots yet, in which case i'll probably just top off on the h202 till i have roots.. does that sound right to you?

i loaded up the aero cloner last night.. been a long time man!!! i washed it all in the sink really good inside and out first.. my heat mat underneath must have taken a crap.. water wouldn't get above 65 so i put in my chickens water heater since they won't need it anymore this year!! haha put two cuttings in the system itself to fafo..

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Inoculates like GW and stuff is fairly fast acting and might be one of the few things where there's a drastic before and after effect.
The effects do taper the further into bloom we go and I think t6hat has a lot to do with both plant changing and the phosphor load. Phosphor is like napalm to many microherds but by the time that's happening, the herds have done their job building the plant.

You should be fine at that stage with nothing but good water loaded with nutes for veg and really nothing else. As it progresses then adding in things like the enzymes will probably be in order. It's not sterile but it's not alive like a tea either and should keep you in the clear.
You could use tea stuff as a foliar too so you still give your plants the benefits without it being in the roots where it can spoil.
Orca is supposed to be the hydro version of GW but IDK...there's some dots that just don't connect when you think about the product vs the vessel being water. It should be dry from what I understand about the stuff and I've never seen the boost from it like I have others.
Many of the species in the products need a substrate to live. Some live on and in the roots along with the substrate. Some cancel each other out. Some sort themselves according to species of plant and that decides who lives and dies, sorted by woody and soft tissue structures. It's so incredibly complex and almost requires a flow chart for me to understand the tasks between species.

Y'all got me wondering so why not ?
Steel cage death match...The Shark VS The Cryptid coming soon. Place your bets now

 

[Stoneyluv]

Inoculates like GW and stuff is fairly fast acting and might be one of the few things where there's a drastic before and after effect.
The effects do taper the further into bloom we go and I think t6hat has a lot to do with both plant changing and the phosphor load. Phosphor is like napalm to many microherds but by the time that's happening, the herds have done their job building the plant.

You should be fine at that stage with nothing but good water loaded with nutes for veg and really nothing else. As it progresses then adding in things like the enzymes will probably be in order. It's not sterile but it's not alive like a tea either and should keep you in the clear.
You could use tea stuff as a foliar too so you still give your plants the benefits without it being in the roots where it can spoil.
Orca is supposed to be the hydro version of GW but IDK...there's some dots that just don't connect when you think about the product vs the vessel being water. It should be dry from what I understand about the stuff and I've never seen the boost from it like I have others.
Many of the species in the products need a substrate to live. Some live on and in the roots along with the substrate. Some cancel each other out. Some sort themselves according to species of plant and that decides who lives and dies, sorted by woody and soft tissue structures. It's so incredibly complex and almost requires a flow chart for me to understand the tasks between species.

Y'all got me wondering so why not ?
Steel cage death match...The Shark VS The Cryptid coming soon. Place your bets now

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sweet man, i love your show downs! the loser of the two will be on ebay ten minutes later!!!!

i got my little pouch of big foot today, it contains like nine tsps.. enough for 50 gallons three times in hydro. i picked up a small bottle of the enzymes too so if i need it i'll have it on hand.

i also build my shelf for my air pump to get it out of the way and get rid of those two cinder blocks, and now i have more room for my new mixing/topoff barrel.



and i got some volume lines put in, they're sort of accurate. haha ... the 10, 20, 30, and 31 are accurate, the rest are freehand by eye.. like playing horseshoes or hand grenades, close enough!! hahaha



and to help them grow a little faster i put some cool sticky's on em!!!!!