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Edit; 255 ppms, impressive

I absolutely love this new way of growing that Anthem exposed me to. Basically, it's letting the water tell you what needs to be done, and it works.

I was thinking about this the other day and they way you and Moe do your main res with a top off res. I like the automation of this, but after learning this new way of growing in water, I would never want to go to a continuous top off for this very reason. After using this for a while on several different grows, it's very apparent to me that the water is telling you valuable information that will help you stay ahead of any issues with the plant before they arise. It's a daily stream of valuable information for me as a grower and helps me to see the bigger picture rather than what is right in front of me on the meter, if that makes sense.

Once you introduce automatic top offs, you no longer have this gauge to look at for information about what is going on in the root zone. It also turns things into a guessing game when you do give nutrient amendments, if you don't hit it right, you'll be chasing pH issues, and/or adding more pH adjusters than necessary getting the pH to stabilize if you land out of EC/pH balance with your amendments.

Not saying ya'all are doing it wrong at all. What you do obviously works very well for you. I have found this way of growing works best for me, at least at this time.
 
that makes sense.
It actually makes perfect sense and I've noticed things going smoother for you since picking up with Anthem. You are in better tune with what's going on with your grows than i am, i will say that.
Not saying ya'all are doing it wrong at all. What you do obviously works very well for you. I have found this way of growing works best for me, at least at this time.
Do you think your "system " would work running neither?
 
I absolutely love this new way of growing that Anthem exposed me to. Basically, it's letting the water tell you what needs to be done, and it works.

I was thinking about this the other day and they way you and Moe do your main res with a top off res. I like the automation of this, but after learning this new way of growing in water, I would never want to go to a continuous top off for this very reason. After using this for a while on several different grows, it's very apparent to me that the water is telling you valuable information that will help you stay ahead of any issues with the plant before they arise. It's a daily stream of valuable information for me as a grower and helps me to see the bigger picture rather than what is right in front of me on the meter, if that makes sense.

Once you introduce automatic top offs, you no longer have this gauge to look at for information about what is going on in the root zone. It also turns things into a guessing game when you do give nutrient amendments, if you don't hit it right, you'll be chasing pH issues, and/or adding more pH adjusters than necessary getting the pH to stabilize if you land out of EC/pH balance with your amendments.

Not saying ya'all are doing it wrong at all. What you do obviously works very well for you. I have found this way of growing works best for me, at least at this time.
Super happy you found your style and it works for you.

I'm not sure how I am destroying data by adding RO automatically? To me, if anything, it is giving me better resolution on the data available? Like smoke running 700 scale vs 500? Same data as yours, but mine is watered down?

I could grow the same way as you by turning off the valve on the float valve, and my water would drop with use. Then to maintain I would top off with RO and add nutes right? The only difference is that in mine the top off is continual, further dropping EC more quickly via dilution. RO water will not effect the PH info either way with auto top off or not. So we are just talking about EC. If you are chasing PH swings, it is not because my RO adds buffer to my grows or something.

I'm also measuring how much they drink daily on the water line in the RO res.

Am I looking at this wrong?
 
Super happy you found your style and it works for you.

I'm not sure how I am destroying data by adding RO automatically? To me, if anything, it is giving me better resolution on the data available? Like smoke running 700 scale vs 500? Same data as yours, but mine is watered down?

I could grow the same way as you by turning off the valve on the float valve, and my water would drop with use. Then to maintain I would top off with RO and add nutes right? The only difference is that in mine the top off is continual, further dropping EC more quickly via dilution. RO water will not effect the PH info either way with auto top off or not. So we are just talking about EC. If you are chasing PH swings, it is not because my RO adds buffer to my grows or something.

I'm also measuring how much they drink daily on the water line in the RO res.

Am I looking at this wrong?

Thanks bro, appreciate that. Gonna try to expand a bit here, see if I can show you exactly what I mean here. And please keep in mind, I am still trying to understand all this and why it works the way I have seen. I don't have those answers, just been trying this out to see if there is anything to it, and I believe there is.

What I am seeing is there is a complex relationship between the plant, and the water EC and pH. Pretty sure you are familiar with the chart I am using-

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The first thing I had to figure out is how to read the chart. Of note, look at EC first, then pH. Also, right side on the chart is for a res with a rising EC, left side is for a dropping EC, so I look at the EC FIRST multiple times each day and record that, usually mornings and evenings but more often if I am trying to get an unstable res stabilized. What is it doing? I had thought it's best to look over a course of at least 3 days to determine a trend, but have realized you can see this same trend almost immediately after making any changes to the water, like later in the day you can measure and see the trend. Then follow the chart on what to do depending on first, what the EC is trending, and secondly, where the pH is trending. Middle-middle/right on the chart is where ya want to be.

This, I believe, is where the plant comes into the equation. It's getting the water + nutrients and immediately does what it's gonna do and start eating/drinking. Based on what it needs, something is happening in there to make the pH move or stay stable. If the nutrient needs are right in line with what the plant wants, the pH changes very little, and I have found that window several times now and it's not a big window either. The opposite is true when there is too much or too little nutrients in the mix. I have found ppm changes as little as 30 will either make or break pH stability.

If you run a top off res, none of this information is available to you because no matter what is going on in your root zone, if the plants are drinking, your EC will fall from dilution alone but could also be falling from having too little nutrients in your res. You do not know which one is the real culprit with an auto top off. In my mind, it's a guessing game at that point. What? You threw out your GH feeding chart? Good on you, threw mine out too. Starting point for my res? I know a lot of guys like to start at 200=300 for new seedlings or clones. Is that a good place to start? Perhaps. That is what I am doing but quickly realize that 300 number is way too hot. How did I learn that? Not from the plants themselves. I learned it from the water and what that is telling me. Haven't nute burned one yet.

You have not destroyed any data in a sense, but rather, have made a situation where that data is impossible to collect. That is kinda why I called it a gauge like something on your truck dashboard. Gauges tell us things. Sometimes we have cars with no gauges. Do we need to know our oil pressure all the time? Probably not, but it's nice to have that there instead of a dummy light.

My RO water does affect my pH in that it will usually bring the pH up. My RO water is about 6.8-7 pH and will always bring the pH up a bit, more or less depending on which system we're talking about. 2 gallons of RO will raise the pH way more in the smaller systems than in that 4 site where there is almost 30 gallons in there.

So when I do my top offs I also use this info because I want to mimic my res in my top off as closely as possible, so that is what I do, in the proper ratios of course. I don't have to guess how much to add for ppms, I just make it the same as what is working already. The only guessing is geting to know the nutrients and how much to add of each to get to your target ppm, which I have found is fairly easy to do. Top offs do not need to be perfect, just close.
 
lol bro. Did not mean to rain on your parade! I always thought coco needed to be monitored at least as much as hydro, i dunno 🤷‍♂️

SLG, how big is your res?

All of my res's are just one more 8 gallon bucket, 5 buckets for the 4 site system and 2 for the singles, almost 30 gallons of water in the 4 site system and about 12-13 in the single site systems.
 
Flip Day on this gal!

I figure long enough on this one, changed out the res for bloom ratios, sitting a tad higher than she was in veg @ 363 ppm, going to watch and see what she wants. Set the light timer to 12/12 and cranked the intensity up to 60%. Roots look great.

A stout one she is and probably won’t need any support.

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Very happy plant man, great job.

The stalk reminds me of your mac dragon run. That was a good producer. You've done your part now let's see what she has hidden in there. 🧬
 
lol bro. Did not mean to rain on your parade! I always thought coco needed to be monitored at least as much as hydro, i dunno 🤷‍♂️



All of my res's are just one more 8 gallon bucket, 5 buckets for the 4 site system and 2 for the singles, almost 30 gallons of water in the 4 site system and about 12-13 in the single site systems.
I don’t monitor mine at all.it’s like chasing a ghost if you start checking ph of runoff when the plants aren’t showing any deficiency’s.what I do monitor is the enviroment as I set my temps and rh and air exchange manually..you get your enviroment in the ballpark and have a great light you shouldn’t get any problems once you have worked out your nutrients after a little time.mixing my nutes is where I spend most of my time and feeding them .emptying there trays etc…
 
Very happy plant man, great job.

The stalk reminds me of your mac dragon run. That was a good producer. You've done your part now let's see what she has hidden in there. 🧬
Thanks man, appreciate the compliment! I'm gettin there (y)

I thought the same thing about the Mac Dragon being very similar. I'm super pumped about this strain, both parents are elite and thinking there is great potential in those genes. I wanted to get some Cement Shoes, this was the closest I could get without a lot of effort, Marshmallow OG mom bred with Cement Shoes daddy.

We're about to find out...
 
Almost 10 days since flip, she is showing a bit of a stretch but not a lot as expected. Strong Indica genealogy is my guess. I’ve had to defoliate occasionally but almost done pruning, will do a bigger trim up middle of next week.

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Almost 10 days since flip, she is showing a bit of a stretch but not a lot as expected. Strong Indica genealogy is my guess. I’ve had to defoliate occasionally but almost done pruning, will do a bigger trim up middle of next week.

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pic of the month prize winner is....wow what a beauty buds are nice but that;s just pretty
 
Where did you get the genetics? Does Todd sell seeds?
No, Todd does not sell seeds.

I got this pack from a friend over at the other place, I'm pretty sure they were a prize in the potm and my buddy asked me if I wanted them, never gonna turn that down. CannaGranny got me interested in a strain called Cement Shoes. Could not find that strain but remembered Cement Shoes was a parent strain of something I had in my collection, turned out to be the Mellow Fellow so decided to run it. Seems I had remembered hearing good things about Cult Classic too.

Marshmallow OG is the other parent and is an elite from Compound Genetics that I have heard great things about.

I still have some if you are interested let me know.
 
No, Todd does not sell seeds.

I got this pack from a friend over at the other place, I'm pretty sure they were a prize in the potm and my buddy asked me if I wanted them, never gonna turn that down. CannaGranny got me interested in a strain called Cement Shoes. Could not find that strain but remembered Cement Shoes was a parent strain of something I had in my collection, turned out to be the Mellow Fellow so decided to run it. Seems I had remembered hearing good things about Cult Classic too.

Marshmallow OG is the other parent and is an elite from Compound Genetics that I have heard great things about.

I still have some if you are interested let me know.
Well she seems like a great plant, let's see how you like it.

I'm kinda in the same boat, I have so many seeds to run going back to even before the farm for me. I'll never get to all of them.
 
Flipped this gal on the 7th of November, tomorrow gonna give her a 21 day haircut and get ready for the show 😁

Running about 500 ppm and looking good. She stretched more than I expected but I think she is almost done and ready to start making buds.

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Got this gal trimmed up the other day and she is starting to shine. I think she's done stretching and starting to work on beautiful blossoms, super excited for this one!

Res has been super steady, running 5.8 pH and 525 ppm, been rock solid there for days now. I'm going to change the res out on this one next week and bump her up for her flower making festival I have planned, no nutrient deficiencies, lockouts or otherwise for this party 🎉🥳IMG_3775.jpegIMG_3776.jpegIMG_3777.jpegIMG_3778.jpeg
 
Got this gal trimmed up the other day and she is starting to shine. I think she's done stretching and starting to work on beautiful blossoms, super excited for this one!

Res has been super steady, running 5.8 pH and 525 ppm, been rock solid there for days now. I'm going to change the res out on this one next week and bump her up for her flower making festival I have planned, no nutrient deficiencies, lockouts or otherwise for this party 🎉🥳View attachment 32030View attachment 32031View attachment 32032View attachment 32033
Looking noice buddy! 👊
 
Looking back, Week 5 flower is in the books and today is the start of the 6th week. This strain has grown a tad bit slower than I am used to, both in veg and in flower. I do have to remember that I started this from seed so the veg is going to be longer, just seems longer this time.

She is drinking over a gallon a day and feeding at 395 ppm. The only issue I've had this week is with my bucket lid and net pot. I made that hole a tad bit bigger than it should have been and that net pot fell through the hole the other day. I used one of those small ratchet chords that come with grow lights to wrap around the base of that stem, and once I got the net pot pulled back up through the hole, cinched it tight to one of the ceiling supports at the top of the tent. Worked pretty well and that stem is robust enough, I do not think it's going to choke the plant at all.


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Had to use a second ratchet chord to hold this gal up and centered in the tent, she's a gettin top heavy.

Changed out the res and reset the GH ratios for mid flower, a bit more than 1/2 way through what I think will be a 10 week grow, week 6 almost in the books, will probably change this out one more time around the end of week 8.

Been slowly reducing the ppm in the res as she is asking for less and less, down around 350 this morning if I am remembering right.

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Cruising along with this beauty, 6 full weeks almost in the books, gonna change out this res next week for the later flower ratios. She has been asking for less nutrients and down near 260 atm and very steady. Flowers are starting to stack, coming up on the homestretch with ths one.

Had to get two more ratchet chords and secured this baby from falling over.


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Week 8 in the books, not sure how long this strain will go but the breeder says 8-10 weeks, I am thinking closer to 10 still but I do see her slowing down. This is not going to be the greatest yield as I did next to nothing on the training here and the canopy is all over the place. I do believe had I done some training, this strain would at least be a medium yielder, but I do expect a decent harvest from this plant.

The flowers are fattening up somewhat, especially the ones closest to the light, some of the pistils are changing color. She is still drinking a gallon + a day but her nutrient needs have slowly been tapering off, eating fairly stable in the res now at 200 ppm. I did change out the res on Tuesday for late bloom ratios, kept that ppm a bit higher but she immediately let me know that was too hot and been bringing that number down, finally stabilizing right at that 200 ppm mark. I've also not been waiting for her to drink some and then dilute, I've been more aggressive by removing/replacing in 1.5 gallon increments over the past two days to find the sweet spot....think I'm finally there so it should not be a big deal for Mrs SLG when I am out of town this weekend till Tuesday this week.

Lastly, if it aint one thing it's another with me, I'll get it all down one day! I also am ending up with a bit of foxtailing on this plant, think I just turned the light up too high to compensate for the uneven canopy. Not 100% on this diagnosis but think it may be from the light being to intense. The only thing that makes me doubt this theory is some of the lower buds are also foxtailing as well. I dunno, will I ever have the perfect grow?

One day grasshopper...one day. 🦗

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Slg from my experience foxtails are primarily genetic. You don’t normally get them, so probably not something you are doing.

Also ime foxtails smoke the same as normal buds. Don’t sweat it.
 
Thanks Moe, I’m not so worried about foxtails on this plant, I think it’s more genetic as you and others have said. Either way, I’m pretty happy with this grow. Today is the second day of the 10th week so I’m getting real close when I get home from work this weekend I think it might be time to start looking at trichomes.

Starting to see a nice fade to purple here and there. Pistols are turning orange and shriveling up, she’s still drinking quite a bit though. I think with this grow, I have almost had the perfect nutrient going, the least amount of nutirent burn on a plant yet for me, just a tiny bit of leaf tip burn, can't even remember when or what happened without going back on this journal....don't care, think it's my best effort yet using the mantra LESS IS MORE.


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IMG_4115.jpegIMG_4116.jpegIMG_4118.jpegIMG_4121.jpegIMG_4122.jpegIMG_4123.jpegIMG_4117.jpegAlmost a full 10 weeks in the books with this girl. I did get in and look at trichomes but nothing says that she’s getting close yet. She is getting very odiferous in a very good way, still drinking moderate amount of water, running at about 270 ppm, and just adding plain water till the end at this point. I have a one day window on Monday to harvest if it’s ready when I get back from work. If it’s not ready on Monday, it will have to be on Thursday when I get back home from a scheduled surgery out of town.
 
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I'm a bit stumped with this plant, seems like the genetics just take/took forever at every step, harvest time has been no exception. Really interested in what some think of these closeups. I either need to harvest TODAY or it will have to wait until Monday, again....Everytime I think it's going to be time to chop, it's not!

Pistils have pretty much shriveled up, no new ones to speak of. She is drinking still but definitely slowed down and also got a nice purple fade going on. She's starting to fall all over herself and I need to make a decision soon. My biggest hang up is still not a lot of amber to speak of on the calyx's, definitely some amber on sugar leaves but I would like to see some on the buds too. For the most part, I'm not seeing any clear and most everything looks cloudy to me.

Sitting right now at 12 weeks and 2 days since flip on a 10 week strain. Seems like she took about two weeks to show pistils after flip, so right about 10 weeks and 2 days of flowering time in the books.


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I'm a bit stumped with this plant, seems like the genetics just take/took forever at every step, harvest time has been no exception. Really interested in what some think of these closeups. I either need to harvest TODAY or it will have to wait until Monday, again....Everytime I think it's going to be time to chop, it's not!

Pistils have pretty much shriveled up, no new ones to speak of. She is drinking still but definitely slowed down and also got a nice purple fade going on. She's starting to fall all over herself and I need to make a decision soon. My biggest hang up is still not a lot of amber to speak of on the calyx's, definitely some amber on sugar leaves but I would like to see some on the buds too. For the most part, I'm not seeing any clear and most everything looks cloudy to me.


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Shed be getting the axe if it were mine.🪓
But i never shoot for much amber at all.
 
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