Grump's Kitchen Sink Grow 🌱

[Observer]

We're at 84 with the lights on. Our house AC is kapoot so that's as low as I can get it during daylight hours.

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I figured I better get a bean going so I dropped one of these...
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Keep an eye out for a Grump's Stinky Pink Grow.. coming soon.

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I got a buddy that's gonna gift me a 4x4 tent so I'm in the design phase of a small RDWC setup for some mothers. You guys are gonna love it.

U have lights going during the day?

I personally run the "day" light cycle during the night, to help combat daylight summer/heat, sometimes, or during summer, I run the lights during the night, turn off during the day with every grow.

Helps balance/control parameters, easier on equipment imo.


And run 80-82/60-65, unless you can supplement co2, is that in the thought down the line?

But by the time they really start flowering, atleast it should be cooler out.

 

[Zen_seeker]

U have lights going during the day?

I personally run the "day" light cycle during the night, to help combat daylight summer/heat, sometimes, or during summer, I run the lights during the night, turn off during the day with every grow.

Helps balance/control parameters, easier on equipment imo.


And run 80-82/60-65, unless you can supplement co2, is that in the thought down the line?

But by the time they really start flowering, atleast it should be cooler out.

We also have peek hours here. They charge more for power during the day so we do the lights on at night. Also helps with heat over winter.

 

[GrumpAzz]

U have lights going during the day?

I personally run the "day" light cycle during the night, to help combat daylight summer/heat, sometimes, or during summer, I run the lights during the night, turn off during the day with every grow.

Helps balance/control parameters, easier on equipment imo.

I run my lights to best coincide with my work schedule. That and it's boring as shit waiting all day on my days off to see and take care of the plants. Daytime just works for me.

And run 80-82/60-65, unless you can supplement co2, is that in the thought down the line?

CO2 would be sweet, but that'll have to wait until I have a couple rooms built for it. Mini-splits in each room and whatnot.

But by the time they really start flowering, atleast it should be cooler out.

Yeah.. it cooled right off the very next day. Down to 50 at night. I usually run 80-82, depending on my leaf temps. 84 is fine with me as long as they don't appear to be over-stressed.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Still stretching and starting to stack. Plants are taking in nearly a gallon per day apiece and they're eating like it's the last time they'll see nutes.



We're coming up on 3 weeks after flip so I've got a res change planned for this weekend. Budsites forming so I'm sure they'd like a little extra. Headed to a bloom mix which is the same as what they're getting now plus a PK booster. As hungry as they seem to be and as hard as I pushed them these last couple weeks have me assuming they'll be happy with more than 1000ppm so I'll aim for that to start.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Still stretching and starting to stack. Plants are taking in nearly a gallon per day apiece and they're eating like it's the last time they'll see nutes.
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We're coming up on 3 weeks after flip so I've got a res change planned for this weekend. Budsites forming so I'm sure they'd like a little extra. Headed to a bloom mix which is the same as what they're getting now plus a PK booster. As hungry as they seem to be and as hard as I pushed them these last couple weeks have me assuming they'll be happy with more than 1000ppm so I'll aim for that to start.

man you got pistils poppin all over!!!!!!!!!

so i assume they continue to drink even more volume as the buds grow?

 

[GrumpAzz]

man you got pistils poppin all over!!!!!!!!!

so i assume they continue to drink even more volume as the buds grow?

Yessir. They'll take in more and more until the last couple weeks. That's a good indicator for when your buds will be ready. They'll stop eating and start drinking less and less every day.

A gallon per day is pretty standard for me as budsites start to form. They'll get to almost 2 gallons each when things really start to fatten up.

 

[GrumpAzz]

We're somewhere around 3 weeks after flip and it's a jungle in there. They're starting to stack so I went in and cleared 'em out.

Before
After

These things are SMELLY. Stem rubs and nug smashes give me that dirty dish towel smell I'm after, but I'm also catching something strong... something like mustard? Can't quite figure it out but I love it. It's funky.


Res change today with Bloom nutes and a PK booster. Pray for my chiller. It's really damn hot in my basement. The RO res came out at 80 damn degrees. It's down to 75 now.

I gotta brag a little... I emptied my first jugs of Bloom A and B. 1 gallon jugs used over the last 3 grows. I emptied Bloom A with 300ml in the beaker and Bloom B emptied right at 200ml. A year and 3800ml later and I was only off 100ml... clap


Took some blues out of the spectrum, moving to the flower settings. Tops of the plants vary in ppfd and range from 550 to 750 at tallest cola. Roughly 26 to 32 DLI.


This is the tent's situation. VPD is a little higher than that. I haven't messed with the leaf temp offset in a while, and humidity has dropped after the cutting.

 

[Observer]

We're somewhere around 3 weeks after flip and it's a jungle in there. They're starting to stack so I went in and cleared 'em out.

Before
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These things are SMELLY. Stem rubs and nug smashes give me that dirty dish towel smell I'm after, but I'm also catching something strong... something like mustard? Can't quite figure it out but I love it. It's funky.
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Res change today with Bloom nutes and a PK booster. Pray for my chiller. It's really damn hot in my basement. The RO res came out at 80 damn degrees. It's down to 75 now.View attachment 116043View attachment 116040

I gotta brag a little... I emptied my first jugs of Bloom A and B. 1 gallon jugs used over the last 3 grows. I emptied Bloom A with 300ml in the beaker and Bloom B emptied right at 200ml. A year and 3800ml later and I was only off 100ml... clap


Took some blues out of the spectrum, moving to the flower settings. Tops of the plants vary in ppfd and range from 550 to 750 at tallest cola. Roughly 26 to 32 DLI.
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This is the tent's situation. VPD is a little higher than that. I haven't messed with the leaf temp offset in a while, and humidity has dropped after the cutting.
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Love the stripping.

I'm still on the side that, proper pruning and defoliation to that extent can be beneficial per the goals, if done correctly, ie, growth medium, environment, lighting/spectrum, nutrition/ratios, and stage.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Love the stripping.

I'm still on the side that, proper pruning and defoliation to that extent can be beneficial per the goals, if done correctly, ie, growth medium, environment, lighting/spectrum, nutrition/ratios, and stage.

I agree. I strip almost all the fans bigger than my fist and take branches that won't amount to much. All those baby fans that I left will be big dogs soon and some of them will need removed too.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Midway through the 3rd week of flower. No signs of herms yet, although there are a couple little bits I'm keeping an eye on.

All's good here aside from a little bleaching on the tallest colas. I expect it with the varied heights. Much more even than my prior seed runs but you can tell there were a few colas that got a little more juice than the others.

You can see how much they've bounced back already, after the heavy defoliation. I could've taken more actually.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I got a new toy that will hopefully help me get my dries tuned in. If nothing else, it'll give me a baseline to go off of for future harvests. I'm not comfortable with the snap test just yet. I'm pretty sure I've over-dried all my harvests.

Online suggests a moisture content of 10-12% before going into cure. I stabbed a nug we've been smoking and it read 10%. Not my weed. Stuff we bought.

General Tools was recommended the most, but I went with the compact version because the prongs are a lot closer. For $20, I figured it couldn't hurt.

 

[Observer]

I got a new toy that will hopefully help me get my dries tuned in. If nothing else, it'll give me a baseline to go off of for future harvests. I'm not comfortable with the snap test just yet. I'm pretty sure I've over-dried all my harvests.

Online suggests a moisture content of 10-12% before going into cure. I stabbed a nug we've been smoking and it read 10%. Not my weed. Stuff we bought.

General Tools was recommended the most, but I went with the compact version because the prongs are a lot closer. For $20, I figured it couldn't hurt.
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Oh hell yea, didn't know I could get a moisture probe for that cheap.

Thanks.

10-12% is what I'm familiar with too

 

[GrumpAzz]

Oh hell yea, didn't know I could get a moisture probe for that cheap.

Thanks.

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General Tools Compact Digital Moisture Meter MMP100 – Pin-Style Tool Detects Moisture in Wood and Building Materials to Help Identify Targeted Moisture Levels and Prevent Water Damage - Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

 

[GrumpAzz]

We're at about a month of 12/12 and they're still growing.

They drank 13 gallons in the last 5 days. That's a little over a half gallon per plant per day.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I got a new toy that will hopefully help me get my dries tuned in. If nothing else, it'll give me a baseline to go off of for future harvests. I'm not comfortable with the snap test just yet. I'm pretty sure I've over-dried all my harvests.

Online suggests a moisture content of 10-12% before going into cure. I stabbed a nug we've been smoking and it read 10%. Not my weed. Stuff we bought.

General Tools was recommended the most, but I went with the compact version because the prongs are a lot closer. For $20, I figured it couldn't hurt.
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Great idea at a nice price.

Unfortunately not up here…

But this looks interesting…

Thanks for the idea. Might just get this for a few things. They had a vid showing it used to check carpets and other things. Might help with the worm compost too.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Thanks for the idea. Might just get this for a few things. They had a vid showing it used to check carpets and other things. Might help with the worm compost too.

Yeah i figured it would at least give me an actual number to build up a dataset with. Whether or not the 10-12% is accurate for each particular meter is irrelevant as long as you build off of the numbers/dries. 12% to dry this run? Try 14%. Something like that. Something a little more consistent than the squish and snap tests.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Yeah i figured it would at least give me an actual number to build up a dataset with. Whether or not the 10-12% is accurate for each particular meter is irrelevant as long as you build off of the numbers/dries. 12% to dry this run? Try 14%. Something like that. Something a little more consistent than the squish and snap tests.

Yep. That’s how I use my LUX meter. I check the readings of the better LED and then dial the other to match it. After a while I learn what each number effect has.

I just figure this is an extra tool to help when needed. Better than the typical moisture meter sold at gardening stores.

Wonder if it works on filament?
That could be helpful.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Just dropped 8 beans for my hydro mother project. Most everything will be ready for a trial run tomorrow. Just be waiting on the tent after that.

These could be the last beans I drop for A WHILE. Just assuming 8 grows... that's like 3 years of clones runs.

 

[Observer]

We're at about a month of 12/12 and they're still growing.
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They drank 13 gallons in the last 5 days. That's a little over a half gallon per plant per day.

That back left "cola/branch"
Looks like it's really aiming for the light, you may be able to increase PPFD or tweak ratios slightly, if you were to increase PPFD and if they respond by going even more at an angle, then I guess too much PPFD, we want the leafs to be flat, resting in the light bath, and going down near the end of light cycle.

Imo/2 cents.


Thoughts off that picture, back left corner looks likes it's more "propped' up more towards the light, As IF (?) It's trying to get more, the above reasoning will confirm afai think.

But if you're already at 900ppfd, I'm not sure if it's asking for more co2/light or little less light, depends if the leafs go more angle or flat, is my thought process.....


I could could be wrong but that's the point of a grow forum right......communicate and share thoughts/ideas on pant growth/health/ maximizing efficiency and growth rates.


I'm still trying to confirm, aqua has said before, if the leafs are "too angled", they could be trying to reduce surface area of the light penetration on their cells, besides that, maximum light/environment would have the leafs flat during the light cycle, and just as it's almost time for the light cycle to end, the plant's are "getting tired" and ready to go into the dark cycle.

Afai understand it.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Imo/2 cents.

I'd say you're not totally wrong. I think they're standing up like that because there's TOO MUCH light or, as you say, maybe not enough CO2.

Ingot some bleaching going on with the tallest colas. I'm aiming for roughly 30 DLI average across the canopy. Those tallest ones are close to 40.

 

[Observer]

I'd say you're not totally wrong. I think they're standing up like that because there's TOO MUCH light or, as you say, maybe not enough CO2.

Ingot some bleaching going on with the tallest colas. I'm aiming for roughly 30 DLI average across the canopy. Those tallest ones are close to 40.

And this is what I love, trying to figure it out, factually, I'm glad we can chat back and forth about it, what grow forums are supposed to be.

Either, I figure, they can take more c02 and that would balance them out, OR reduce/increase PPFD, see how they respond, if that angle on the back left goes up even more if you were to increase PPFD then I'd suspect it's trying to reduce its surface area, if it goes more flat than it's happy with that ppfd/environment, again gotta balance the temp/humidity/co2 as well go into the equation.

Just some thoughts....

 

[Observer]

Ur just pretty setup, and I want to see the best from ur setup, you, and any way I can possibly offer insight or knowledge in plant growth, to expand yours and mine, and factually verify.

Ur one growth method away from being the possibly most efficient and fastest, ie HPA/ultrasonic fog.

 

[Observer]

I'd say you're not totally wrong. I think they're standing up like that because there's TOO MUCH light or, as you say, maybe not enough CO2.

Ingot some bleaching going on with the tallest colas. I'm aiming for roughly 30 DLI average across the canopy. Those tallest ones are close to 40.

That sounds good without Co2 supplementation, you could be at the "max" end range.

And tweaking the light down or up could help verify our hypothesis for hard facts.

Love science.

 

[Observer]

I've not been more passionate about anything in my life besides growing this fuckin plant so far.

Just want to help where I can, where my knowledge ends, and continue to evolve and advance everyone else's and mines knowledge.

I've spent the last 5 years reading, researching and experimenting on how to grow plants efficiently.

And will continue into the next 5, 10~ years.

 

[Observer]

I'd say you're not totally wrong. I think they're standing up like that because there's TOO MUCH light or, as you say, maybe not enough CO2.

Ingot some bleaching going on with the tallest colas. I'm aiming for roughly 30 DLI average across the canopy. Those tallest ones are close to 40.

Are they drooping a little before light goes out? Like 30 minutes?

Or do they stay angled like that when light goes off?

Maybe that'll be an answer.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Are they drooping a little before light goes out? Like 30 minutes?

Still pretty perky before lights out.

I'm also about a foot closer to the plants than recommended.

I raised the light before those pictures. Not much but I raised it about 6 inches because of the bleaching.

All laying nice and flat this morning. I'll try to catch 'em right before lights out today.