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I got a new toy that will hopefully help me get my dries tuned in. If nothing else, it'll give me a baseline to go off of for future harvests. I'm not comfortable with the snap test just yet. I'm pretty sure I've over-dried all my harvests.

Online suggests a moisture content of 10-12% before going into cure. I stabbed a nug we've been smoking and it read 10%. Not my weed. Stuff we bought.

General Tools was recommended the most, but I went with the compact version because the prongs are a lot closer. For $20, I figured it couldn't hurt.
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I got a new toy that will hopefully help me get my dries tuned in. If nothing else, it'll give me a baseline to go off of for future harvests. I'm not comfortable with the snap test just yet. I'm pretty sure I've over-dried all my harvests.

Online suggests a moisture content of 10-12% before going into cure. I stabbed a nug we've been smoking and it read 10%. Not my weed. Stuff we bought.

General Tools was recommended the most, but I went with the compact version because the prongs are a lot closer. For $20, I figured it couldn't hurt.
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Oh hell yea, didn't know I could get a moisture probe for that cheap.

Thanks.

10-12% is what I'm familiar with too
 
Oh hell yea, didn't know I could get a moisture probe for that cheap.

Thanks.
 
I got a new toy that will hopefully help me get my dries tuned in. If nothing else, it'll give me a baseline to go off of for future harvests. I'm not comfortable with the snap test just yet. I'm pretty sure I've over-dried all my harvests.

Online suggests a moisture content of 10-12% before going into cure. I stabbed a nug we've been smoking and it read 10%. Not my weed. Stuff we bought.

General Tools was recommended the most, but I went with the compact version because the prongs are a lot closer. For $20, I figured it couldn't hurt.
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Great idea at a nice price.

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Thanks for the idea. Might just get this for a few things. They had a vid showing it used to check carpets and other things. Might help with the worm compost too. 🤔
 
Thanks for the idea. Might just get this for a few things. They had a vid showing it used to check carpets and other things. Might help with the worm compost too. 🤔
Yeah i figured it would at least give me an actual number to build up a dataset with. Whether or not the 10-12% is accurate for each particular meter is irrelevant as long as you build off of the numbers/dries. 12% to dry this run? Try 14%. Something like that. Something a little more consistent than the squish and snap tests.
 
Yeah i figured it would at least give me an actual number to build up a dataset with. Whether or not the 10-12% is accurate for each particular meter is irrelevant as long as you build off of the numbers/dries. 12% to dry this run? Try 14%. Something like that. Something a little more consistent than the squish and snap tests.
Yep. That’s how I use my LUX meter. I check the readings of the better LED and then dial the other to match it. After a while I learn what each number effect has.

I just figure this is an extra tool to help when needed. Better than the typical moisture meter sold at gardening stores.

Wonder if it works on filament? 🤔
That could be helpful.
 
Just dropped 8 beans for my hydro mother project. Most everything will be ready for a trial run tomorrow. Just be waiting on the tent after that.
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These could be the last beans I drop for A WHILE. Just assuming 8 grows... that's like 3 years of clones runs.
 
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We're at about a month of 12/12 and they're still growing.
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They drank 13 gallons in the last 5 days. That's a little over a half gallon per plant per day.
That back left "cola/branch"
Looks like it's really aiming for the light, you may be able to increase PPFD or tweak ratios slightly, if you were to increase PPFD and if they respond by going even more at an angle, then I guess too much PPFD, we want the leafs to be flat, resting in the light bath, and going down near the end of light cycle.

Imo/2 cents.


Thoughts off that picture, back left corner looks likes it's more "propped' up more towards the light, As IF (?) It's trying to get more, the above reasoning will confirm afai think.

But if you're already at 900ppfd, I'm not sure if it's asking for more co2/light or little less light, depends if the leafs go more angle or flat, is my thought process.....


I could could be wrong but that's the point of a grow forum right......communicate and share thoughts/ideas on pant growth/health/ maximizing efficiency and growth rates.


I'm still trying to confirm, aqua has said before, if the leafs are "too angled", they could be trying to reduce surface area of the light penetration on their cells, besides that, maximum light/environment would have the leafs flat during the light cycle, and just as it's almost time for the light cycle to end, the plant's are "getting tired" and ready to go into the dark cycle.

Afai understand it.
 
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Imo/2 cents.
I'd say you're not totally wrong. I think they're standing up like that because there's TOO MUCH light or, as you say, maybe not enough CO2.

Ingot some bleaching going on with the tallest colas. I'm aiming for roughly 30 DLI average across the canopy. Those tallest ones are close to 40.
 
I'd say you're not totally wrong. I think they're standing up like that because there's TOO MUCH light or, as you say, maybe not enough CO2.

Ingot some bleaching going on with the tallest colas. I'm aiming for roughly 30 DLI average across the canopy. Those tallest ones are close to 40.
And this is what I love, trying to figure it out, factually, I'm glad we can chat back and forth about it, what grow forums are supposed to be.

Either, I figure, they can take more c02 and that would balance them out, OR reduce/increase PPFD, see how they respond, if that angle on the back left goes up even more if you were to increase PPFD then I'd suspect it's trying to reduce its surface area, if it goes more flat than it's happy with that ppfd/environment, again gotta balance the temp/humidity/co2 as well go into the equation.

Just some thoughts....
 
Ur just pretty setup, and I want to see the best from ur setup, you, and any way I can possibly offer insight or knowledge in plant growth, to expand yours and mine, and factually verify.

Ur one growth method away from being the possibly most efficient and fastest, ie HPA/ultrasonic fog.
 
I'd say you're not totally wrong. I think they're standing up like that because there's TOO MUCH light or, as you say, maybe not enough CO2.

Ingot some bleaching going on with the tallest colas. I'm aiming for roughly 30 DLI average across the canopy. Those tallest ones are close to 40.
That sounds good without Co2 supplementation, you could be at the "max" end range.

And tweaking the light down or up could help verify our hypothesis for hard facts.

Love science.
 
I've not been more passionate about anything in my life besides growing this fuckin plant so far.

Just want to help where I can, where my knowledge ends, and continue to evolve and advance everyone else's and mines knowledge.

I've spent the last 5 years reading, researching and experimenting on how to grow plants efficiently.

And will continue into the next 5, 10~ years.
 
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I'd say you're not totally wrong. I think they're standing up like that because there's TOO MUCH light or, as you say, maybe not enough CO2.

Ingot some bleaching going on with the tallest colas. I'm aiming for roughly 30 DLI average across the canopy. Those tallest ones are close to 40.
Are they drooping a little before light goes out? Like 30 minutes?

Or do they stay angled like that when light goes off?

Maybe that'll be an answer.
 
Are they drooping a little before light goes out? Like 30 minutes?
Still pretty perky before lights out.

I'm also about a foot closer to the plants than recommended.

I raised the light before those pictures. Not much but I raised it about 6 inches because of the bleaching.

All laying nice and flat this morning. I'll try to catch 'em right before lights out today.
 
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All still pretty flat, an hour and a half before lights out. Top colas are pointed up on the tallest plant but they're also being hit by the fan.

I'll move the light up to where I want it when they stop stretching. Also gonna clear them out again, somewhat.

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@Bandit420
You used AquaticLife filters for a while. Is there an reason I shouldn't pull the trigger on these off-brand filter replacements?
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@Observer
All still pretty flat, an hour and a half before lights out. Top colas are pointed up on the tallest plant but they're also being hit by the fan.

I'll move the light up to where I want it when they stop stretching. Also gonna clear them out again, somewhat.

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@Bandit420
You used AquaticLife filters for a while. Is there an reason I shouldn't pull the trigger on these off-brand filter replacements?
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As long as they fit and as long as there's free returns if they don't fit, I'd do it!
 
Only downfall I see is the hole size at the bottom. Too big for my pebbles. We'll see how it goes.
As long as they fit and as long as there's free returns if they don't fit, I'd do it!
Haha.. you were talking about filters.

I was excited about the netcups fitting so perfectly..

I'll check on the free returns.
 
Only downfall I see is the hole size at the bottom. Too big for my pebbles. We'll see how it goes.
IDK how many you got but if only a few use a small tie wrap to go across the big middle bottom hole. If that’s the only one too large.
 
Just dropped 8 beans for my hydro mother project. Most everything will be ready for a trial run tomorrow. Just be waiting on the tent after that.
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These could be the last beans I drop for A WHILE. Just assuming 8 grows... that's like 3 years of clones runs.

2 popped already after only 2 and a half days. Blue Cheese and the Indigo Sapphire. Record time for me, considering I just stick the seeds into a wet plug.
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These guys haven't stopped stretching. 4 weeks??
Makes me wonder if that 3 days of 12/12 then an accidental spectrum reversal and back to 18/6 for 2 days really threw them off. No herms so fuck it and hammer down.
Flipped on Sept. 16th and they still grew 2 inches since yesterday morning.
As a group they're chugging down 5 gallons per day of some 6.1pH/780ppm superjuice.
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Gonna be a lot of weed in there. Looking like it'll be my biggest harvest if things keep on truckin'.
 
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Well I may have spoken too soon. They hardly drank today and didn't grow a bit since this morning. Hoping that's a sign of fattening up soon.

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Motor Punch made an appearance today as well...
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I halfway expect a couple more when I get home from work in the morning.

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And then there's this...
I made a sweet little stand for the mothership.
All free parts from the dumpster at work.
Extra parts included for expansion 👍
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Well I may have spoken too soon. They hardly drank today and didn't grow a bit since this morning. Hoping that's a sign of fattening up soon.

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Motor Punch made an appearance today as well...
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I halfway expect a couple more when I get home from work in the morning.

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And then there's this...
I made a sweet little stand for the mothership.
All free parts from the dumpster at work.
Extra parts included for expansion 👍
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Hell yea!

Fuck them back problems, lol.

Can't wait to see how you run this system.

Could do a "ebb & flow" or just straight up Recirculating water.

My immediate thought is, isn't this for "moms?", seems/appears a little small for moms?

BUT

it depends how long you intend to keep said "moms" in system, for clones to feed the flower room.

Gave me an idea of running PVC similar to this and shooting high density nutrient flog clouds into it, a fan and ultrasonic disc resevoirs, working similar to how drive through banks work, put a tube in and its sucked up, similar concept to a ultrasonic fog injection system, but not as strong or fast, something I want to experiment/play around with.
 
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Well I may have spoken too soon. They hardly drank today and didn't grow a bit since this morning. Hoping that's a sign of fattening up soon.

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Motor Punch made an appearance today as well...
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I halfway expect a couple more when I get home from work in the morning.

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And then there's this...
I made a sweet little stand for the mothership.
All free parts from the dumpster at work.
Extra parts included for expansion 👍
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Too wet imo, my honest 2 cents, that rooter LOOKS, 2 ME, too soaked, that's why it's so yellow, ofc it can come out of it though.

Sorry if I'm pushing my self too much into your threads with my "IMO",s I just don't have a grow going and miss it so much, and again, if im wrong, I'm wrong, it furthers mine and anyone else's knowledge in the field, and just want to further learn and verify.
 
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Can't wait to see how you run this system.

Could do a "ebb & flow" or just straight up Recirculating water.
Yeah the plan is to just recirculate. RDWC minus the D. This shit ain't deep 🤣

Here's the basic plan...

Pump will sit outside the resevoir. Suction side piped into the bottom of the res and the discharge from the manifold will drain back through the 2 inch outlet.

Valve on the 1 inch inlet to the manifold to regulate flow and another valve on the 2 inch discharge pipe. These valves working together should keep it from flowing too fast and also allow a little bit of a water level inside instead of just a simple current. The discharge valve will allow for more flow than the inlet valve so it show be relatively easy to dial in.

My immediate thought is, isn't this for "moms?", seems/appears a little small for moms?

BUT

it depends how long you intend to keep said "moms" in system, for clones to feed the flower room.
This is just an experimental project. I'm absolutely wanting a mother setup, but I desperately want to avoid soil. I've been trying to figure out the best way to do it with hydro.

I want to find out how long one could stay in this system. I'm not gonna pamper them by any means. Not going for amazing growth. I'll basically never change the nute concentration, leaving a pretty low EC, and I'll do minimal training.

My plan is to continually check the roots. When they start getting tangled with the plant next to them, I'll pull out the mother and drop in the clone. I'll be finding out an average time in the system and start rotating clones in for mothers that are outgrowing the system. Maybe every 2 weeks, or every month, a mom gets replaced. Something like that. It might turn into a lot of work but it will allow for endless clones of multiple strains. Eventually, maybe sooner than later, I'll start doing multi-strain runs with the intent of weeding out cultivars and replacing them with something new. Keeper strains will be kept as long as possible.

Hell.. I could even expand this to allow space for all the mothers and the next round's set of clones.

Gave me an idea of running PVC similar to this and shooting high density nutrient flog clouds into it, a fan and ultrasonic disc resevoirs, working similar to how drive through banks work, put a tube in and its sucked up, similar concept to a ultrasonic fog injection system, but not as strong or fast, something I want to experiment/play around with.
This actually sounds really cool. The current from my water is something i'm worried about with this setup. Will it be too much?? We'll find out.

Blowing fog through this thing would be sweet.

Too wet imo, my honest 2 cents, that rooter LOOKS, 2 ME, too soaked, that's why it's so yellow, ofc it can come out of it though.
You might be right but I literally can't squeeze out any more water from the plugs. They look about the same as all my plugs in the past. These plugs are hella old too. First batch of plugs I bought more than 2 years ago. Still poppin' beans though.

I'd say that yellowish looking color is because they are freshly emerged. They'll get some green to 'em after they spend some time in the light. I'll snap a pic in the morning. They'll be green.

Sorry if I'm pushing my self too much into your threads with my "IMO",s I just don't have a grow going and miss it so much, and again, if im wrong, I'm wrong, it furthers mine and anyone else's knowledge in the field, and just want to further learn and verify.
You're good bro. No worries here. I'm always down for advice, whether or not I take it. Perspectives are important.

These threads are more than just a catalog of grows. They serve as great learning material for beginners. Sometimes I leave out some simple details that may not be so simple to someone else. I've been finding this out discussing resevoirs and water chemistry with Stoney through DMs.

I used to include every minor detail, that way people had reference material to answer any questions that came up. As my growing improved, I had less questions and eventually started leaving out some simple details like what I think my water is doing when I see a ppm drift or something like that. Eventually I figured people would ask if they needed that info, not realizing that someone may not even know what questions to ask to solve a particular issue. You don't know what you don't know until you need to know it.
 
Yeah the plan is to just recirculate. RDWC minus the D. This shit ain't deep 🤣

Here's the basic plan...

Pump will sit outside the resevoir. Suction side piped into the bottom of the res and the discharge from the manifold will drain back through the 2 inch outlet.

Valve on the 1 inch inlet to the manifold to regulate flow and another valve on the 2 inch discharge pipe. These valves working together should keep it from flowing too fast and also allow a little bit of a water level inside instead of just a simple current. The discharge valve will allow for more flow than the inlet valve so it show be relatively easy to dial in.

i believe this is called a nutrient film technique. NFT
 
Well I may have spoken too soon. They hardly drank today and didn't grow a bit since this morning. Hoping that's a sign of fattening up soon.

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Motor Punch made an appearance today as well...
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I halfway expect a couple more when I get home from work in the morning.

-------

And then there's this...
I made a sweet little stand for the mothership.
All free parts from the dumpster at work.
Extra parts included for expansion 👍
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Growing up home hydroponics was all the talk. TV shows like space or deep sea subs all had them onboard. Your setup reminds me of that. I so want to go there but it’s never going to work in the house. To much humidity as it is most of the year and no where to setup with easy water access.

Kits are usually to expensive so building my own was always the plan. So I get to vicariously live through your efforts. 👊
 
Kits are usually to expensive so building my own was always the plan. So I get to vicariously live through your efforts. 👊
I haven't found a lot of info on keeping mothers in hydro. I've had a few ideas but I already had most of the parts I'd need for this one. It'll be a lot of fun to get going. Most of the beans are ready for their new home. All but 2 have popped up and joined the party.
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And I guess I was wrong...
These babies ain't slowed down one bit. 5 more gallons down in the top-off and another inch on the colas since this morning.
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So we're five weeks in and still stretching every day. Getting a little out of hand...
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Things were growing together and really starting to crowd each other, so I went in and removed a ton of shit that I didn't want the plants waisting energy on.
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There's still a ton of budsites so I don't think I've affected yields anymore than I already did. I either stressed them out with that early defol, or these are some funky genetics. Crazy stretch and node spacing. Maybe heavy Sativa genes?
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Either way.. they threw a ton of single blades and some weird off-center fans.

They've slowed up on their feeding. Ppm continues to climb a little every day but they keep chugging the water. They've drank over half of the top-off since it was mixed a week ago. Still around a gallon per plant per day.

Hoping this weedwhackin' makes them rethink how high they're trying to reach. Time to get to bulkin' bitches.
 
So we're five weeks in and still stretching every day. Getting a little out of hand...
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Things were growing together and really starting to crowd each other, so I went in and removed a ton of shit that I didn't want the plants waisting energy on.
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There's still a ton of budsites so I don't think I've affected yields anymore than I already did. I either stressed them out with that early defol, or these are some funky genetics. Crazy stretch and node spacing. Maybe heavy Sativa genes?
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Either way.. they threw a ton of single blades and some weird off-center fans.

They've slowed up on their feeding. Ppm continues to climb a little every day but they keep chugging the water. They've drank over half of the top-off since it was mixed a week ago. Still around a gallon per plant per day.

Hoping this weedwhackin' makes them rethink how high they're trying to reach. Time to get to bulkin' bitches.
The single bladed leafs tell me it's a stress response to something, first thing that comes to mind.

Maybe it's a response to the stripping, but I didn't think it was too much.

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The single bladed leafs tell me it's a stress response to something, first thing that comes to mind.

Maybe it's a response to the stripping, but I didn't think it was too much.

🤔
Yeah agreed.

Either I stressed them right off the get-go by accidently messing up my lights. Flipped for 3 days and then I accidently set it back to 18/6 for 2 more days before getting it corrected.

That, or.. I stripped them too early? I defoliated right around the 3 week mark, but they weren't done stretching at all.

Or some combination of the 2. The weird budsites and node spacing has me leaning towards genetics.

When I first started this clone run, I said "if I get a freak at least they'll all be the same freaks"... well I might've gotten a freak.

No herms yet so that's a plus 🤣
 
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Yeah agreed.

Either I stressed them right off the get-go by accidently messing up my lights. Flipped for 3 days and then I accidently set it back to 18/6 for 2 more days before getting it corrected.

That, or.. I stripped them too early? I defoliated right around the 3 week mark, but they weren't done stretching at all.

Or some combination of the 2. The weird budsites and node spacing has me leaning towards genetics.

When I first started this clone run, I said "if I get a freak at least they'll all be the same freaks"... well I might've gotten a freak.

No herms yet so that's a plus 🤣
I'd lean to the light issue first, but that could be my stripping bias.

I think I've seen the single leaf blades even when I 'stripped" but then goes back to normal, I can't remember for certain though, should have it documented on one of my 2v4 threads at the 2 bed room apartment.


Week 1 and 3 stripping/ defol is normal in my book, and should not cause such a stress response, but I suppose it could.

Perhaps why some would defol In "1/3" at a time..

I've had this similar scenario happen to me before, where they stack/grow single bladed leafs like that.

I'm also curious what would happen if you decreased the reds and increased the blues now/ if it would help.
 
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I've had this similar scenario happen to me before, where they stack/grow single bladed leafs like that.
My last grow threw singles too but I couldn't tell ya what happened there.

I'm also curious what would happen if you decreased the reds and increased the blues now/ if it would help.
That's the next plan.

I lowered the light intensity after that last defol and raised it as high as I could. Just wanted to give them a day or 2 to cool off from the stripping.
 
Well I think they've finally stopping stretching. Tomorrow starts week 6.
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Strangest nugs I've seen to date. Nearly every budsite has this weird round leaf cupping the node. Super strange and I can only hope they start to fatten up and pack on some weight.
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