Observers' 2x4 Space

[Observer]

The current drip timer is like 12-2-4-6-8-10-2
8s 4s 4s 4s 4s 4s 8s probably need adjusting but yeah

Reduced this, posted vid

Was 2 much water

 

[Observer]

Need to refill/make more solution(s)

New seeds are germ'n

=)


Lol, see how far the shot glass goes.

Last 8seconds of water for the night

@GoodShit97 there is a lot goin on here huh, lol.

 

[Observer]

May need to increase drip res e.c

Not too sure yet, gotta compensate somewhere w.c/e.c

 

[Observer]

Pre-98 bubbakush x GDP was/in recovery mode,

She's doing better now that I actually give her some time, she still needs a few adjustments though.

Gotta get a Huey

Let me redo those shitty labels lol.

Appears a few adjustments needed but finding the balance. (E.C/W.C)

 

[Observer]

I have not had/made too much time to dive further into the chemistry/"water chemistry", least/with, since adding back/buying more mr.fulvic

So here we are, some chem chat with BARD


34% Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2):

• Citric Acid: Mixing H2O2 with citric acid can potentially generate free radicals, impacting its effectiveness as a sterilant. It's best to add them separately with some time interval (e.g., 15 minutes) to minimize this interaction.
• Mr. Fulvic: Although research is limited, H2O2 might break down some complex organic compounds in Mr. Fulvic, potentially reducing its beneficial effects. Adding them separately might be again optimal.
• Ca(ClO)2 (Calcium Hypochlorite): H2O2 and Ca(ClO)2 are both strong oxidants. Combining them can release chlorine gas, which is harmful to plants. Avoid mixing them directly and only use one at a time for sterilization.

Calcium Hypochlorite (Ca(ClO)2):

• Mr. Fulvic: Similar to H2O2, Ca(ClO)2 could break down organic compounds in Mr. Fulvic, reducing its benefits. Separate application is recommended.
• Citric Acid: Combining Ca(ClO)2 with citric acid can generate chlorine gas. Again, avoid direct mixing and use them sequentially.

Citric Acid:

• Mr. Fulvic: Citric acid can potentially enhance the solubility and bioavailability of some organic compounds in Mr. Fulvic, potentially boosting its benefits.

Sterile vs. Beneficial Bacteria:

• H2O2 and Ca(ClO)2: Both are potent sterilizers and will kill beneficial bacteria as well as pathogenic ones. Using them sparingly and only when needed for sterilization is crucial.
• Mr. Fulvic: Some studies suggest Mr. Fulvic might promote the growth of beneficial bacteria due to its organic content. Further research is needed, but it aligns with the concept of adding beneficial bacteria after sterilization.

Overall:

• Separate application: Consider adding H2O2, Ca(ClO)2, and citric acid individually with time intervals to minimize potential negative interactions.
• Monitor and adjust: Pay close attention to your plants' health and adjust your base solution and nutrient additions as needed. Testing pH, electrical conductivity (EC), and specific nutrients can help you fine-tune your system.
• Research & Experimentation: Research and experiment with different base solutions and organic inputs to find the optimal combination for your specific setup and cannabis variety.

Elaborate on h2o2 and citric acid producing free radicals, reducing it's sterile effectiveness? Wouldn't the free radicals latch onto any thing "organic" or "non-sterile" ?​

You're absolutely right! Your understanding of free radicals and their potential benefits in your situation is insightful. Let's dive deeper into the interaction between H2O2 and citric acid, and how it affects their sterilizing effectiveness:
Free Radicals and Sterilization:

• When H2O2 decomposes, it can generate free radicals, particularly hydroxyl radicals (OH•). These are highly reactive molecules with a single unpaired electron, making them potent oxidants.
• Free radicals can attack organic molecules, including bacteria cell walls, damaging essential components and disrupting crucial functions. This is the basis of H2O2's sterilizing action.

Citric Acid and Free Radical Generation:

• Citric acid can catalyze the decomposition of H2O2, accelerating the formation of free radicals. While this might seem beneficial for increased sterilization power, it can also have drawbacks.
• The rapid generation of free radicals can lead to their "scavenging" by other organic molecules present in the solution, including the citric acid itself or trace organic contaminants. This "scavenging" consumes the free radicals before they have a chance to interact with target organisms like bacteria, reducing the overall sterilizing effectiveness.

Balancing the Benefit and Drawback:

• The key is to find the right balance between maximizing free radical generation for effective sterilization and minimizing their scavenging by unwanted organic matter. Some strategies include:
  • Controlling citric acid concentration: Using the minimal amount of citric acid needed to adjust pH can help limit its role in free radical scavenging.
  • Separating application: Adding H2O2 and citric acid with a time interval (e.g., 15 minutes) allows the initial burst of free radicals from H2O2 decomposition to occur before citric acid accelerates the process further.
  • Filtering: Pre-filtering your base solution to remove trace organic particles can minimize scavengers for free radicals, increasing their effectiveness against target organisms.

Organic Inputs and Free Radical Targeting:

• As you mentioned, free radicals generated by H2O2 and citric acid have a high affinity for organic matter. This can be beneficial in your sterile environment by targeting any residual organic contaminants or spores you might encounter.
• However, it's important to consider the impact on your beneficial bacteria additions. Using H2O2 and citric acid too frequently or in high concentrations could inadvertently harm the beneficial bacteria you introduce later.

 

[Observer]

caught bard saying something backwards, this is the "correction"​

​

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Chelation makes them more available ?​

Yes, chelation can indeed make nutrients more available to plants. When a chelating agent like fulvic acid binds to a nutrient ion, it forms a complex. These complexes are often smaller and more soluble than the individual nutrient ion, making them easier for plant roots to absorb.
Here's why chelation can be beneficial for plant nutrition:

• Increased solubility: Some nutrients, like iron, can be poorly soluble in certain soil conditions. Chelation can increase their solubility, making them more readily available for plant uptake.
• Protection from precipitation: Nutrients can react with other elements in the soil, forming insoluble compounds that become unavailable to plants. Chelation can prevent this by "shielding" the nutrient ion and keeping it in a soluble form.
• Enhanced transport: Once absorbed by the plant, chelated nutrients can be more easily transported within the plant tissues due to their smaller size and altered chemistry.

However, it's important to note that chelation isn't always beneficial. Here are some potential drawbacks:

• Competition for binding sites: Chelating agents can also bind to other ions in the soil, potentially tying up essential nutrients and making them unavailable to plants.
• Over-supply: As fulvic acid can enhance nutrient availability, using it without adjusting your nutrient concentrations might lead to nutrient imbalances or toxicities in your plants.

then why did you say that above?​

You're absolutely right, I apologize for the inconsistency in my previous responses regarding Mr. Fulvic and nutrient availability. I made a mistake in stating that fulvic acid could make nutrients less available. As you accurately pointed out, chelation by fulvic acid actually tends to increase the bioavailability of certain nutrients to plants.

This error highlights the importance of critical thinking and double-checking information, even when it comes from a large language model like myself. I am still under development and learning to process and apply information accurately. Your keen observation and correction helped me identify and rectify my mistake, thereby contributing to my learning process.

 

[Observer]

ahh here we go

2. Chelation:

• Citric acid can act as a chelating agent, binding to metal ions, particularly iron. This "chelation" process makes the metal ions more soluble and mobile, increasing their bioavailability for plants.
• Mr. Fulvic already contains naturally occurring chelating agents, but adding citric acid can provide additional "muscle" to enhance the chelation of beneficial mineral nutrients, boosting their availability to plants.

potentially/possible easier iron uptake/bio-availability +++

 

[Observer]

However, it's important to note that chelation isn't always beneficial. Here are some potential drawbacks:

• Competition for binding sites: Chelating agents can also bind to other ions in the soil, potentially tying up essential nutrients and making them unavailable to plants.
• Over-supply: As fulvic acid can enhance nutrient availability, using it without adjusting your nutrient concentrations might lead to nutrient imbalances or toxicities in your plants.

​

 

[Observer]

I have not had/made too much time to dive further into the chemistry/"water chemistry", least/with, since adding back/buying more mr.fulvic

So here we are, some chem chat with BARD


34% Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2):

• Citric Acid: Mixing H2O2 with citric acid can potentially generate free radicals, impacting its effectiveness as a sterilant. It's best to add them separately with some time interval (e.g., 15 minutes) to minimize this interaction.
• Mr. Fulvic: Although research is limited, H2O2 might break down some complex organic compounds in Mr. Fulvic, potentially reducing its beneficial effects. Adding them separately might be again optimal.
• Ca(ClO)2 (Calcium Hypochlorite): H2O2 and Ca(ClO)2 are both strong oxidants. Combining them can release chlorine gas, which is harmful to plants. Avoid mixing them directly and only use one at a time for sterilization.

Calcium Hypochlorite (Ca(ClO)2):

• Mr. Fulvic: Similar to H2O2, Ca(ClO)2 could break down organic compounds in Mr. Fulvic, reducing its benefits. Separate application is recommended.
• Citric Acid: Combining Ca(ClO)2 with citric acid can generate chlorine gas. Again, avoid direct mixing and use them sequentially.

Citric Acid:

• Mr. Fulvic: Citric acid can potentially enhance the solubility and bioavailability of some organic compounds in Mr. Fulvic, potentially boosting its benefits.

Sterile vs. Beneficial Bacteria:

• H2O2 and Ca(ClO)2: Both are potent sterilizers and will kill beneficial bacteria as well as pathogenic ones. Using them sparingly and only when needed for sterilization is crucial.
• Mr. Fulvic: Some studies suggest Mr. Fulvic might promote the growth of beneficial bacteria due to its organic content. Further research is needed, but it aligns with the concept of adding beneficial bacteria after sterilization.

Overall:

• Separate application: Consider adding H2O2, Ca(ClO)2, and citric acid individually with time intervals to minimize potential negative interactions.
• Monitor and adjust: Pay close attention to your plants' health and adjust your base solution and nutrient additions as needed. Testing pH, electrical conductivity (EC), and specific nutrients can help you fine-tune your system.
• Research & Experimentation: Research and experiment with different base solutions and organic inputs to find the optimal combination for your specific setup and cannabis variety.

Elaborate on h2o2 and citric acid producing free radicals, reducing it's sterile effectiveness? Wouldn't the free radicals latch onto any thing "organic" or "non-sterile" ?​

You're absolutely right! Your understanding of free radicals and their potential benefits in your situation is insightful. Let's dive deeper into the interaction between H2O2 and citric acid, and how it affects their sterilizing effectiveness:
Free Radicals and Sterilization:

• When H2O2 decomposes, it can generate free radicals, particularly hydroxyl radicals (OH•). These are highly reactive molecules with a single unpaired electron, making them potent oxidants.
• Free radicals can attack organic molecules, including bacteria cell walls, damaging essential components and disrupting crucial functions. This is the basis of H2O2's sterilizing action.

Citric Acid and Free Radical Generation:

• Citric acid can catalyze the decomposition of H2O2, accelerating the formation of free radicals. While this might seem beneficial for increased sterilization power, it can also have drawbacks.
• The rapid generation of free radicals can lead to their "scavenging" by other organic molecules present in the solution, including the citric acid itself or trace organic contaminants. This "scavenging" consumes the free radicals before they have a chance to interact with target organisms like bacteria, reducing the overall sterilizing effectiveness.

Balancing the Benefit and Drawback:

• The key is to find the right balance between maximizing free radical generation for effective sterilization and minimizing their scavenging by unwanted organic matter. Some strategies include:
  • Controlling citric acid concentration: Using the minimal amount of citric acid needed to adjust pH can help limit its role in free radical scavenging.
  • Separating application: Adding H2O2 and citric acid with a time interval (e.g., 15 minutes) allows the initial burst of free radicals from H2O2 decomposition to occur before citric acid accelerates the process further.
  • Filtering: Pre-filtering your base solution to remove trace organic particles can minimize scavengers for free radicals, increasing their effectiveness against target organisms.

Organic Inputs and Free Radical Targeting:

• As you mentioned, free radicals generated by H2O2 and citric acid have a high affinity for organic matter. This can be beneficial in your sterile environment by targeting any residual organic contaminants or spores you might encounter.
• However, it's important to consider the impact on your beneficial bacteria additions. Using H2O2 and citric acid too frequently or in high concentrations could inadvertently harm the beneficial bacteria you introduce later.

 

[Observer]

Shh babies sleep

 

[Observer]

May need to increase drip res e.c

Not too sure yet, gotta compensate somewhere w.c/e.c

Get them a little darker, slightly more N and Mg perhaps, just increase my base feed of NpK/9-17-26+15.0.0

 

[Zen_seeker]

I have not had/made too much time to dive further into the chemistry/"water chemistry", least/with, since adding back/buying more mr.fulvic

So here we are, some chem chat with BARD


34% Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2):

• Citric Acid: Mixing H2O2 with citric acid can potentially generate free radicals, impacting its effectiveness as a sterilant. It's best to add them separately with some time interval (e.g., 15 minutes) to minimize this interaction.
• Mr. Fulvic: Although research is limited, H2O2 might break down some complex organic compounds in Mr. Fulvic, potentially reducing its beneficial effects. Adding them separately might be again optimal.
• Ca(ClO)2 (Calcium Hypochlorite): H2O2 and Ca(ClO)2 are both strong oxidants. Combining them can release chlorine gas, which is harmful to plants. Avoid mixing them directly and only use one at a time for sterilization.

Calcium Hypochlorite (Ca(ClO)2):

• Mr. Fulvic: Similar to H2O2, Ca(ClO)2 could break down organic compounds in Mr. Fulvic, reducing its benefits. Separate application is recommended.
• Citric Acid: Combining Ca(ClO)2 with citric acid can generate chlorine gas. Again, avoid direct mixing and use them sequentially.

Citric Acid:

• Mr. Fulvic: Citric acid can potentially enhance the solubility and bioavailability of some organic compounds in Mr. Fulvic, potentially boosting its benefits.

Sterile vs. Beneficial Bacteria:

• H2O2 and Ca(ClO)2: Both are potent sterilizers and will kill beneficial bacteria as well as pathogenic ones. Using them sparingly and only when needed for sterilization is crucial.
• Mr. Fulvic: Some studies suggest Mr. Fulvic might promote the growth of beneficial bacteria due to its organic content. Further research is needed, but it aligns with the concept of adding beneficial bacteria after sterilization.

Overall:

• Separate application: Consider adding H2O2, Ca(ClO)2, and citric acid individually with time intervals to minimize potential negative interactions.
• Monitor and adjust: Pay close attention to your plants' health and adjust your base solution and nutrient additions as needed. Testing pH, electrical conductivity (EC), and specific nutrients can help you fine-tune your system.
• Research & Experimentation: Research and experiment with different base solutions and organic inputs to find the optimal combination for your specific setup and cannabis variety.

Elaborate on h2o2 and citric acid producing free radicals, reducing it's sterile effectiveness? Wouldn't the free radicals latch onto any thing "organic" or "non-sterile" ?​

You're absolutely right! Your understanding of free radicals and their potential benefits in your situation is insightful. Let's dive deeper into the interaction between H2O2 and citric acid, and how it affects their sterilizing effectiveness:
Free Radicals and Sterilization:

• When H2O2 decomposes, it can generate free radicals, particularly hydroxyl radicals (OH•). These are highly reactive molecules with a single unpaired electron, making them potent oxidants.
• Free radicals can attack organic molecules, including bacteria cell walls, damaging essential components and disrupting crucial functions. This is the basis of H2O2's sterilizing action.

Citric Acid and Free Radical Generation:

• Citric acid can catalyze the decomposition of H2O2, accelerating the formation of free radicals. While this might seem beneficial for increased sterilization power, it can also have drawbacks.
• The rapid generation of free radicals can lead to their "scavenging" by other organic molecules present in the solution, including the citric acid itself or trace organic contaminants. This "scavenging" consumes the free radicals before they have a chance to interact with target organisms like bacteria, reducing the overall sterilizing effectiveness.

Balancing the Benefit and Drawback:

• The key is to find the right balance between maximizing free radical generation for effective sterilization and minimizing their scavenging by unwanted organic matter. Some strategies include:
  • Controlling citric acid concentration: Using the minimal amount of citric acid needed to adjust pH can help limit its role in free radical scavenging.
  • Separating application: Adding H2O2 and citric acid with a time interval (e.g., 15 minutes) allows the initial burst of free radicals from H2O2 decomposition to occur before citric acid accelerates the process further.
  • Filtering: Pre-filtering your base solution to remove trace organic particles can minimize scavengers for free radicals, increasing their effectiveness against target organisms.

Organic Inputs and Free Radical Targeting:

• As you mentioned, free radicals generated by H2O2 and citric acid have a high affinity for organic matter. This can be beneficial in your sterile environment by targeting any residual organic contaminants or spores you might encounter.
• However, it's important to consider the impact on your beneficial bacteria additions. Using H2O2 and citric acid too frequently or in high concentrations could inadvertently harm the beneficial bacteria you introduce later.

Okay. Officially too early for me to jump in this deep. Fuck dude. It’s Sunday.

 

[Observer]

Okay. Officially too early for me to jump in this deep. Fuck dude. It’s Sunday.

Haha I finally made some time for the studies, so far it seems just fine to use ALL the chems I'm using, perhaps a specific mix order to be used

But highly beneficial concoction, I also use some kelp but seeing how that works, it has beneficial compounds as well, but those same compoinds induce cell elongation for better or worse depending on the grow scenario/environment.

Like, Kelp contains gibberellins and auxins

 

[Observer]

Edited

 

[Zen_seeker]

Haha I finally made some time for the studies, so far it seems just fine to use ALL the chems I'm using, perhaps a specific mix order to be used

But highly beneficial concoction, I also use some kelp but seeing how that works.

Always seems to be like cooking to me. You can get close and do well but when you get it just right…

 

[Observer]

Always seems to be like cooking to me. You can get close and do well but when you get it just right…

Don't even get me started on the science/chemistry manipulation of cooking lol

 

[Observer]

Okay. Officially too early for me to jump in this deep. Fuck dude. It’s Sunday.

Wait till I get started back on magnetic fields

Check this out

 

[SSgrower]

ahh here we go

2. Chelation:

• Citric acid can act as a chelating agent, binding to metal ions, particularly iron. This "chelation" process makes the metal ions more soluble and mobile, increasing their bioavailability for plants.
• Mr. Fulvic already contains naturally occurring chelating agents, but adding citric acid can provide additional "muscle" to enhance the chelation of beneficial mineral nutrients, boosting their availability to plants.

potentially/possible easier iron uptake/bio-availability +++

These advancements in canna growth are attributed to craft farmers coming together to further the knowledge of yield, ect. We at Budbuilders are this pheonomenum , f... spelling!! Taking advise for your knowledge is key to you. I use Rooted Leaf because of their chelation process, it plays nice with Canna Coco A&B, both Silica skin & Cal/Mag Fuel which I use 1 time every week or 5 days sometimes depending on veg or flower stage. You are a big part of what Budbuilders can become, carry on Capt! SS

 

[Observer]

These advancements in canna growth are attributed to craft farmers coming together to further the knowledge of yield, ect. We at Budbuilders are this pheonomenum , f... spelling!! Taking advise for your knowledge is key to you. I use Rooted Leaf because of their chelation process, it plays nice with Canna Coco A&B, both Silica skin & Cal/Mag Fuel which I use 1 time every week or 5 days sometimes depending on veg or flower stage. You are a big part of what Budbuilders can become, carry on Capt! SS

Thanks man appreciate that

 

[Observer]

This.

Electroculture

@SSgrower


@Zen_seeker

Electrically conductive eSoil boosts plant growth via zaps to the roots

While hydroponic farms do allow a lot of crop plants to be grown in a relatively small space, they would certainly be a better alternative to traditional farms if those plants grew faster. That could soon be the case, thanks to the development of electrically conductive "eSoil."

newatlas.com

Been talking about since the other forum days

eSoil, or "Electronic soil," boosts crop growth by over 50%

This research introduces an innovative approach to soilless cultivation, or hydroponics, by integrating electronic soil, or eSoil.

www.earth.com

 

[Observer]

This.

Electroculture

@SSgrower


@Zen_seeker

Electrically conductive eSoil boosts plant growth via zaps to the roots

While hydroponic farms do allow a lot of crop plants to be grown in a relatively small space, they would certainly be a better alternative to traditional farms if those plants grew faster. That could soon be the case, thanks to the development of electrically conductive "eSoil."

newatlas.com

Been talking about since the other forum days

eSoil, or "Electronic soil," boosts crop growth by over 50%

This research introduces an innovative approach to soilless cultivation, or hydroponics, by integrating electronic soil, or eSoil.

www.earth.com

If US is just now figuring this out, China is ahead in the agriculture game lol.

 

[SSgrower]

Brother, we all have a role in this advancement , you have your studies, I have mine, Moe & friends do 3D inventions to help us. We together can overcome the losses since 1930 Hemp Act.

 

[Observer]

Brother, we all have a role in this advancement , you have your studies, I have mine, Moe & friends do 3D inventions to help us.

Eventually I'll get a 3d printer, they're pretty cool and handy it seems.

We together can overcome the losses since 1930 Hemp Act.

Indeed.

 

[SSgrower]

I'm too old for printers,Ha, Cheers! SS

 

[Zen_seeker]

Trying something new myself.



@stonemason has some science I’m interested in too.

 

[Observer]

Trying something new myself.

View attachment 36355

@stonemason has some science I’m interested in too.

What's this

 

[Zen_seeker]

What's this

Making curds & whey.

Starting Bokashi with the organic milk and rice wash water.

 

[Observer]

ahh here we go

2. Chelation:

• Citric acid can act as a chelating agent, binding to metal ions, particularly iron. This "chelation" process makes the metal ions more soluble and mobile, increasing their bioavailability for plants.
• Mr. Fulvic already contains naturally occurring chelating agents, but adding citric acid can provide additional "muscle" to enhance the chelation of beneficial mineral nutrients, boosting their availability to plants.

potentially/possible easier iron uptake/bio-availability +++

Will fact check for validity sakes of course

 

[Observer]

This popped out quickly

 

[Observer]

Neat.

Can see the gas exchanges happening o2/CO2 bubbles Id imagine.