Observers' 2x4 Space

[Zen_seeker]

Neat.

Can see the gas exchanges happening o2/CO2 bubbles Id imagine.

I think that’s so cool. Almost time for me to make two new clones.

Carry on sir.

 

[Observer]

I think that’s so cool. Almost time for me to make two new clones.

Carry on sir.

indeed, sat there watching it for a little in awe, lol.

almost time to "scale" it up soon, it'll eventually suck that basically half 9oz solo dry in hours

 

[Zen_seeker]

indeed, sat there watching it for a little in awe, lol.

almost time to "scale" it up soon, it'll eventually suck that basically half 9oz solo dry in hours

Silly question… how you going to up pot? Cut it out of the cut I assume? Since 75% of the roots are hanging.

 

[Observer]

Silly question… how you going to up pot? Cut it out of the cut I assume? Since 75% of the roots are hanging.

brb

 

[Pipecarver]

Pre-98 bubbakush x GDP was/in recovery mode,

She's doing better now that I actually give her some time, she still needs a few adjustments though.

Gotta get a Huey

Let me redo those shitty labels lol.

Appears a few adjustments needed but finding the balance. (E.C/W.C)

You're just a cloning machine.....what's your best method so far? Mine is cloning gel and dirt in a warm humid space / dome

 

[Observer]

You're just a cloning machine.....what's your best method so far? Mine is cloning gel and dirt in a warm humid space / dome

Well I think the best/easiest/quickest, those little aerocloners or buckets, if you know you're timings/environment/patterns well, they can have transplantable size rootzones in 3-10 days...

But that's when it's all setup and ready to go/know what one is doing.


But a worry-free, for me anyways, set it and forget it method, 99% works method, perlite or a heavy perlite +coco mixture and placed I the proper ENV (RH) till roots grow....seems pretty solid.

 

[Pipecarver]

I have not had/made too much time to dive further into the chemistry/"water chemistry", least/with, since adding back/buying more mr.fulvic

So here we are, some chem chat with BARD


34% Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2):

• Citric Acid: Mixing H2O2 with citric acid can potentially generate free radicals, impacting its effectiveness as a sterilant. It's best to add them separately with some time interval (e.g., 15 minutes) to minimize this interaction.
• Mr. Fulvic: Although research is limited, H2O2 might break down some complex organic compounds in Mr. Fulvic, potentially reducing its beneficial effects. Adding them separately might be again optimal.
• Ca(ClO)2 (Calcium Hypochlorite): H2O2 and Ca(ClO)2 are both strong oxidants. Combining them can release chlorine gas, which is harmful to plants. Avoid mixing them directly and only use one at a time for sterilization.

Calcium Hypochlorite (Ca(ClO)2):

• Mr. Fulvic: Similar to H2O2, Ca(ClO)2 could break down organic compounds in Mr. Fulvic, reducing its benefits. Separate application is recommended.
• Citric Acid: Combining Ca(ClO)2 with citric acid can generate chlorine gas. Again, avoid direct mixing and use them sequentially.

Citric Acid:

• Mr. Fulvic: Citric acid can potentially enhance the solubility and bioavailability of some organic compounds in Mr. Fulvic, potentially boosting its benefits.

Sterile vs. Beneficial Bacteria:

• H2O2 and Ca(ClO)2: Both are potent sterilizers and will kill beneficial bacteria as well as pathogenic ones. Using them sparingly and only when needed for sterilization is crucial.
• Mr. Fulvic: Some studies suggest Mr. Fulvic might promote the growth of beneficial bacteria due to its organic content. Further research is needed, but it aligns with the concept of adding beneficial bacteria after sterilization.

Overall:

• Separate application: Consider adding H2O2, Ca(ClO)2, and citric acid individually with time intervals to minimize potential negative interactions.
• Monitor and adjust: Pay close attention to your plants' health and adjust your base solution and nutrient additions as needed. Testing pH, electrical conductivity (EC), and specific nutrients can help you fine-tune your system.
• Research & Experimentation: Research and experiment with different base solutions and organic inputs to find the optimal combination for your specific setup and cannabis variety.

Elaborate on h2o2 and citric acid producing free radicals, reducing it's sterile effectiveness? Wouldn't the free radicals latch onto any thing "organic" or "non-sterile" ?​

You're absolutely right! Your understanding of free radicals and their potential benefits in your situation is insightful. Let's dive deeper into the interaction between H2O2 and citric acid, and how it affects their sterilizing effectiveness:
Free Radicals and Sterilization:

• When H2O2 decomposes, it can generate free radicals, particularly hydroxyl radicals (OH•). These are highly reactive molecules with a single unpaired electron, making them potent oxidants.
• Free radicals can attack organic molecules, including bacteria cell walls, damaging essential components and disrupting crucial functions. This is the basis of H2O2's sterilizing action.

Citric Acid and Free Radical Generation:

• Citric acid can catalyze the decomposition of H2O2, accelerating the formation of free radicals. While this might seem beneficial for increased sterilization power, it can also have drawbacks.
• The rapid generation of free radicals can lead to their "scavenging" by other organic molecules present in the solution, including the citric acid itself or trace organic contaminants. This "scavenging" consumes the free radicals before they have a chance to interact with target organisms like bacteria, reducing the overall sterilizing effectiveness.

Balancing the Benefit and Drawback:

• The key is to find the right balance between maximizing free radical generation for effective sterilization and minimizing their scavenging by unwanted organic matter. Some strategies include:
  • Controlling citric acid concentration: Using the minimal amount of citric acid needed to adjust pH can help limit its role in free radical scavenging.
  • Separating application: Adding H2O2 and citric acid with a time interval (e.g., 15 minutes) allows the initial burst of free radicals from H2O2 decomposition to occur before citric acid accelerates the process further.
  • Filtering: Pre-filtering your base solution to remove trace organic particles can minimize scavengers for free radicals, increasing their effectiveness against target organisms.

Organic Inputs and Free Radical Targeting:

• As you mentioned, free radicals generated by H2O2 and citric acid have a high affinity for organic matter. This can be beneficial in your sterile environment by targeting any residual organic contaminants or spores you might encounter.
• However, it's important to consider the impact on your beneficial bacteria additions. Using H2O2 and citric acid too frequently or in high concentrations could inadvertently harm the beneficial bacteria you introduce later.

I use GH nutes in an auto pot system with a res , chiller and circulating pump. Last grow I cleaned my system at the start and finish of flower, I had 1/4"+ of slime all through my pipes on my pump and in the chiller that was difficult to remove and get rid of.

After 3 weeks this grow I cleaned it and there was again quite a bit of build up but after a few flushings all was good. 3 weeks later I cleaned and again the same slime....

Bio film & or waste products from the interaction of my nutes which I believe is called chelates, or chelation as the action, chelates as the product of the action if that makes sense.

So above confuses me a bit...but in looking into the bio film I read I have to deal with it and H2O2 can help keep it in check. Now I read the blending of Ca and H202 is not a good idea for above reasons.

I started adding H2O2 at 5ml per gal to help with the biofilm I guess I should add the H2O2 first to dilute it well before adding any cal/mag to the solution.

I'm going to end up mixing some shit together one day and that's the last I'll be heard from. Senior Dead mixing pot nutrients in basement grow op, news at 9

 

[Observer]

I use GH nutes in an auto pot system with a res , chiller and circulating pump. Last grow I cleaned my system at the start and finish of flower, I had 1/4"+ of slime all through my pipes on my pump and in the chiller that was difficult to remove and get rid of.

After 3 weeks this grow I cleaned it and there was again quite a bit of build up but after a few flushings all was good. 3 weeks later I cleaned and again the same slime....

Bio film & or waste products from the interaction of my nutes which I believe is called chelates, or chelation as the action, chelates as the product of the action if that makes sense.

So above confuses me a bit...but in looking into the bio film I read I have to deal with it and H2O2 can help keep it in check. Now I read the blending of Ca and H202 is not a good idea for above reasons.

I started adding H2O2 at 5ml per gal to help with the biofilm I guess I should add the H2O2 first to dilute it well before adding any cal/mag to the solution.

I'm going to end up mixing some shit together one day and that's the last I'll be heard from. Senior Dead mixing pot nutrients in basement grow op, news at 9

Lmao I'll let ya know when I'm 100%/figured it out.

Mix you're stuff like regular, make sure to be patient with it and let it actually mix and settle, mix again, once it is correct and done , proper, e.c/pH, then add you're 3-6 (@34%) H2o2

I'm sure mixing it all together is fine, the order is where it needs to be corrected.
I suspect.

Its also said in some places to use one or other (?), I use both, (((Ca(CIO)2 (poolshock))) and 34% h2o2, they interact and form "super oxygen" lol

well now im on big keyboard again, fuck.

 

[Observer]

I use GH nutes in an auto pot system with a res , chiller and circulating pump. Last grow I cleaned my system at the start and finish of flower, I had 1/4"+ of slime all through my pipes on my pump and in the chiller that was difficult to remove and get rid of.

ok just read up on GH nutrients, basically another "Salt" formula, probably has some acids like humic/fulvic, enzymes, pH buffers, etc.

at first glance

After 3 weeks this grow I cleaned it and there was again quite a bit of build up but after a few flushings all was good. 3 weeks later I cleaned and again the same slime....

Bio film & or waste products from the interaction of my nutes which I believe is called chelates, or chelation as the action, chelates as the product of the action if that makes sense.

itll be all the "living" microscopic things feeding off of the water and nutrients that creates a "biofilm", i think

and i dont know lol, i have to look up chelation for its exact meaning

Chelation, that is multiple coordination bonds between organic molecules and metals, is very common in the body and at the heart of enzymes with a metal cofactor such as copper or zinc.

So above confuses me a bit...but in looking into the bio film I read I have to deal with it and H2O2 can help keep it in check. Now I read the blending of Ca and H202 is not a good idea for above reasons.

i mix poolshock into 1gal "concentrate" that i dose at 3-5.9mL/Gallon/EVERY GALLON/along with 3-7ml of 34% H2o2, strong oxidations occur.

there is a point where it can become too much for the roots/plant but the roots/plant seems to be able to handle a lot of the oxygen (?)

I started adding H2O2 at 5ml per gal to help with the biofilm I guess I should add the H2O2 first to dilute it well before adding any cal/mag to the solution.

i would say add h2o2 LAST as its VOLATILE, that O just wants to gas out of the water, let everything else mix up first then we add the sterile chems, if growing the sterile route/not using "bennies"

I'm going to end up mixing some shit together one day and that's the last I'll be heard from. Senior Dead mixing pot nutrients in basement grow op, news at 9

lmao

 

[Observer]

ok just read up on GH nutrients, basically another "Salt" formula, probably has some acids like humic/fulvic, enzymes, pH buffers, etc.

at first glance



itll be all the "living" microscopic things feeding off of the water and nutrients that creates a "biofilm", i think

and i dont know lol, i have to look up chelation for its exact meaning

Chelation, that is multiple coordination bonds between organic molecules and metals, is very common in the body and at the heart of enzymes with a metal cofactor such as copper or zinc.

i mix poolshock into 1gal "concentrate" that i dose at 3-5.9mL/Gallon/EVERY GALLON/along with 3-7ml of 34% H2o2, strong oxidations occur.

there is a point where it can become too much for the roots/plant but the roots/plant seems to be able to handle a lot of the oxygen (?)


i would say add h2o2 LAST as its VOLATILE, that O just wants to gas out of the water, let everything else mix up first then we add the sterile chems, if growing the sterile route/not using "bennies"

lmao

theres a balance, and a damn/near perfect one too, i just gotta find it, and ill let ya know when i do.

 

[Observer]

Just now starting LST as of yesterday

Behind on it.

Daughter keeping me on my toes lol

They aren't entirely happy on the dripper side anyways, but close, gotta spend more time with em to see.

 

[Observer]

The algae is making it harder to observe/"measure" the color of the wool itself to get an idea of the WC, feels moist but not too wet. I'ma go with it's too moist for now/too much water and dial back a few seconds on the timer, if I had more control over the temperature/heat (energy of a system)/air flow i could perhaps just increase those variables and I'd hit "better" dry backs.

 

[Observer]

Silly question… how you going to up pot? Cut it out of the cut I assume? Since 75% of the roots are hanging.

damnit, standby, ill still brb.

lol


like a walking ADHD dispenser, trying to do everything i want/need to do, AND be there for my daughter.

 

[Zen_seeker]

You're just a cloning machine.....what's your best method so far? Mine is cloning gel and dirt in a warm humid space / dome

I do that but put powder on the gel too. I have a lot of the powder so why not.

 

[Observer]

so see these "Ebb * Flow"" "concepts" ?

@Zen_seeker

 

[Observer]

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so see these "Ebb * Flow"" "concepts" ?

@Zen_seeker

I Thought about trying this "Tek" on that one, lol.

 

[Zen_seeker]

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so see these "Ebb * Flow"" "concepts" ?

@Zen_seeker

Not really. New glasses aren’t in until Friday.

Phone screen only zooms so much.

 

[Observer]

 

[Zen_seeker]

Not really. New glasses aren’t in until Friday.

Phone screen only zooms so much.

Okay I see.

 

[Observer]

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this made shit so laggy for some reason, anyways something like this, 4 those little netcups

 

[Observer]

Okay I see.

i thought it would be cool to try something like that and see that/how it works with the netcup that has some nice roots out already, doing better than the others.

 

[Observer]

Not really. New glasses aren’t in until Friday.

Phone screen only zooms so much.

my bad lol

i gotta get some new glasses too as well

 

[Observer]

i just connected the dots on the name "ZEN ZEEKER"

lmao



WoooSahh

meditation has been so fuckin helpful

 

[Zen_seeker]

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I love that shit. Always wanted hydro. Used to watch Sea Quest as a kid. Still waiting for my underwater city.

But I fear a water hazard in the house. Had water damage at my parents. So trying a diff approach this time. You might find it interesting.

 

[Observer]

I love that shit. Always wanted hydro. Used to watch Sea Quest as a kid. Still waiting for my underwater city.

But I fear a water hazard in the house. Had water damage at my parents. So trying a diff approach this time. You might find it interesting.

oh no fun lol


i do like playing with water but yeah making messes with it is no bueno

 

[Observer]

ever

I love that shit. Always wanted hydro. Used to watch Sea Quest as a kid. Still waiting for my underwater city.

But I fear a water hazard in the house. Had water damage at my parents. So trying a diff approach this time. You might find it interesting.

ever scuba dive?

 

[Zen_seeker]

ever

ever scuba dive?

Only got as far as snorkeling. But did it a lot for years.

 

[Observer]

Only got as far as snorkeling. But did it a lot for years.

can see a whole new world down there, pretty cool, but also daunting.

oh and i can just take the netcup/plant out and just gotta place it in something bigger, to scale

 

[Observer]

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[Zen_seeker]

What’s in the blue/green bottle?