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[smoke]

Man thats just awesome. How tall are your ceilings?

A picture is just better to show how much height we have left.

 

[GoodShit97]

A picture is just better to show how much height we have left.View attachment 17538

Hell yeah!
12 foot ceilings will be a must when i move again.
Ill only have a 12 plant limit so just gonna grow trees just like this cause once i move ill be growing for my father in law too so ill need trees lol

 

[Rootsruler]

I assume your 1200 ppm is the 500 scale? most everyone quotes the tds/500 scale, i use the 700 scale because its faster to react to a ppm change. Calmag makes up over half of my total ppms.

I find calcium and magnesium needs are much earlier than this chart suggests as is P and k needs
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Curious. What adjustment would you make on your timelines?

 

[smoke]

https://budbuilders.org/threads/deficiency-or-nute-burn.3/post-28

I have no Idea if feeding such a low ppm throws off the nutrient ratio and causes apparent deficiencies

Im finding, basically take everything on that chart and move it all at least 2 weeks to the left.

These charts by Bill Farthing feeding by ppm and the time posted are a better idea imo

 

[smoke]

Hell yeah!
12 foot ceilings will be a must when i move again.
Ill only have a 12 plant limit so just gonna grow trees just like this cause once i move ill be growing for my father in law too so ill need trees lol

When a medical license here in montana only allowed 4 plants in flower that was our solution.

 

[GoodShit97]

When a medical license here in montana only allowed 4 plants in flower that was our solution.

I know a few people that do the same thing. Plant limits are stupid lol.

 

[tobh]

When a medical license here in montana only allowed 4 plants in flower that was our solution.

shit man, i didn't realize Montana was legal in some regard. I debated moving out there but figured with the legalities it was more akin to Texas (which somehow became more progressive than WA in that regard) and like hell if I will live somewhere that has complete and total prohibition.

 

[smoke]

Laws here make no sence either. With a medical card my wife can have 4 in flower and 1 ounce of "usable" finished product on hand.

Recreational i can have 2 plants in flower, 2 in veg and unlimited finished product.

So, 2 plants are hers 2 are mine and most of the finished product is mine

 

[tobh]

Laws here make no sence either. With a medical card my wife can have 4 in flower and 1 ounce of "usable" finished product on hand.

Recreational i can have 2 plants in flower, 2 in veg and unlimited finished product.

So, 2 plants are hers 2 are mine and most of the finished product is mine

because that makes sense. do they have any distinction between flower, extracts, edibles, etc? or is it a simple one ounce limit, regardless mode of consumption?

 

[smoke]

because that makes sense. do they have any distinction between flower, extracts, edibles, etc? or is it a simple one ounce limit, regardless mode of consumption?

I can give away one oz of flower or 6 gms of "concentrates" no mention of edibles. The way i read it i can give you the equivalent of 1 oz at a time. No mention of how many times

Edit one oz in glove box locked per person of legal age.

 

[tobh]

and we're supposed to trust these people to implement legislation that keeps society functional. they do literally nothing like this for any other legal vice. it's asinine.

 

[GoodShit97]

Laws here make no sence either. With a medical card my wife can have 4 in flower and 1 ounce of "usable" finished product on hand.

Recreational i can have 2 plants in flower, 2 in veg and unlimited finished product.

So, 2 plants are hers 2 are mine and most of the finished product is mine

Talk about absolutely stupid laws...they just pull that shit from a hat???

Once its finally legal to grow here next summer, itll be a 6 plant limit per adult in the house, with a 12 plant maximum per household. 6 mature 6 immature.
I can have up 3 ounces of flower or 24 grams of concentrate on me in public and up to 5 pounds stored at home. Idk how much concentrate im allowed to keep at home.

 

[tobh]

Talk about absolutely stupid laws...they just pull that shit from a hat???

Once its finally legal to grow here next summer, itll be a 6 plant limit per adult in the house, with a 12 plant maximum per household. 6 mature 6 immature.
I can have up 3 ounces of flower or 24 grams of concentrate on me in public and up to 5 pounds stored at home. Idk how much concentrate im allowed to keep at home.

IIRC it's something like 72 grams or some insane number like that. I still don't understand why they allow such a high volume of concentrate but try to restrict flower so much. Concentrates are what make kids and animals sick, not flower. And, concentrates are easier to conceal for illicit commerce vs flower which is pungent and hard to move in bulk without serious logistical hurdles.

5lbs is a pretty respectable number, though. That's what I try to produce annually for the household and the few patients I produce for. I also voluntarily keep plant count to six in flower and don't have the space built (yet) to go perpetual so if LEO comes knockin they're gonna be sorely disappointed. Some day might try to run a SOG in the 4x4 just for the fuck around aspect. figure i can fit 64 in 4x4 rockwool cubes in a f&d table, lollipopped. Maybe yield 10g-14g per plant and still hit just under the 2lb mark for the space and lighting.

sorry for the hijack boys! as you were

 

[Zen_seeker]

Turned the lights to 12/12 yesterday so today is the first full day of flower. Day 1.

Edit: 55" tallest 3
Ppm 540

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Apparently trees grow indoors too.

 

[smoke]

Today i though we may be doing a water change but they picked up eating a bit so no water change today. The water is 4 weeks old tomorrow. PPM at 590.

Roots look good, liking the fibrous root structure as i believe its a sign of happy roots.

 

[Cool_Beans]

Looks great Smoke. Nice roots!

 

[Max]

Ken oath Smoke..those plants got tops galore mate.you’d think they would b pigging out on the feed but look very happy at those ppms.

 

[smoke]

Ken oath Smoke..those plants got tops galore mate.you’d think they would b pigging out on the feed but look very happy at those ppms.

Its spoon feeding as we go and they do look fairly happy but still wanting more ca

Edit: who is Ken oath ?

 

[GrumpAzz]

What are you seeing that's telling you they want more calcium? Just curious.

 

[smoke]

What are you seeing that's telling you they want more calcium? Just curious.

Leaf texture

Full disclosure, plant #1 and #2 were in the veg room with 2 plants in one module and tearing the roots separating them always happens. Plants 3 and 4 are better specimens than 1 and 2

 

[Max]

instead of swearing we take f#$k off the front lol

 

[smoke]

Lost power yesterday for a couple hours, outside temp was 102, flower room was lights out and only reached 86 and the veg room hit 91. temp/humidity in the veg room is controlled mostly with two 6" ac infinity fans and a lung room which isn't temp controlled.
My question is, what led light/lights would work best to cover my 4 sites?

Watermelon Gelato on the left chetta piss on the right.


@GrumpAzz my turn to do chores today, pulled this leaf off plant #2 this morning. Day 4 of flower

 

[Cool_Beans]

Smoke not sure how quickly you're looking to move on a light but I'm watching @Bandit420's big Spectramax grows for when I eventually upgrade to 4 site in a bigger space. I havent grown under CLW near as much as he and Stoneyluv but it didnt take long to see why they throw money at them lol.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Lost power yesterday for a couple hours, outside temp was 102, flower room was lights out and only reached 86 and the veg room hit 91. temp/humidity in the veg room is controlled mostly with two 6" ac infinity fans and a lung room which isn't temp controlled.
My question is, what led light/lights would work best to cover my 4 sites?

Watermelon Gelato on the left chetta piss on the right.
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@GrumpAzz my turn to do chores today, pulled this leaf off plant #2 this morning. Day 4 of flower
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Is that your calcium deficiency?

 

[smoke]

Is that your calcium deficiency?

Yes

The top up rez is RO water medicated at 3ml/gal of calmag and they lower that water by 10 gal in 24 hrs.

610 ppm now which made up of calmag NPK, how much of each i don't know. They have bean eating 20 ppms each day since flip and drinking 40% more water.

 

[steamroller]

I like but don't have the CLW also.
The spectra 1000 that @Bandit420 is running looks real nice.
Wait to you see how much more calmag you need under LEDs.
The charts do not IMO reflect how much or how soon you may need either under strong LEDs.

You got it going on and see what we do. You got a calmag hog.
I don't go a lot deeper on if it is this or that without a serious concern.
Occam's razor.

 

[Observer]

My question is, what led light/lights would work best to cover my 4 sites?

Watermelon Gelato on the left chetta piss on the right.
View attachment 17848

@GrumpAzz my turn to do chores today, pulled this leaf off plant #2 this morning. Day 4 of flower

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[smoke]

I like but don't have the CLW also.
The spectra 1000 that @Bandit420 is running looks real nice.
Wait to you see how much more calmag you need under LEDs.
The charts do not IMO reflect how much or how soon you may need either under strong LEDs.

You got it going on and see what we do. You got a calmag hog.
I don't go a lot deeper on if it is this or that without a serious concern.
Occam's razor.

Might just be the heat and the power going off that has me thinking led again.

You say needing more calmag (as in intravenous directly into the stalk?

 

[smoke]

Today is day 8 flower and potassium issues/deficiency imo. K is mobile. ppm at 690

 

[moe.red]

Hey Smoke, sorry just catching up.

What plant is in the post directly above? I'm having zero issues with my watermelon running GH at 450 on the 500 scale. I'm also running silica and cal mag. I did a water change yesterday because my PH started to dive, and it is back to stable with the res swap and the plant is very happy.

My LEDs are not what you would find today. These are really old Optic 8+ in this tent. If you want to spend some real money, you can cover that space well with several lights on the market. If you just want to get it done with minimum cost and frills, I was always impressed with the spider farmer bar lights. If you remember, Aqua did a 4 plant RDWC at the other place with the SE7000 I believe.

 

[Pipecarver]

Hey Smoke, sorry just catching up.

What plant is in the post directly above? I'm having zero issues with my watermelon running GH at 450 on the 500 scale. I'm also running silica and cal mag. I did a water change yesterday because my PH started to dive, and it is back to stable with the res swap and the plant is very happy.

My LEDs are not what you would find today. These are really old Optic 8+ in this tent. If you want to spend some real money, you can cover that space well with several lights on the market. If you just want to get it done with minimum cost and frills, I was always impressed with the spider farmer bar lights. If you remember, Aqua did a 4 plant RDWC at the other place with the SE7000 I believe.

I use the spiderfarmer SE & G 3000 series and with plants that size you'd need 4 for full coverage 1 over each....even that wouldn't do much below the top canopy so all the vertical growth wouldn't be necessary. I don't think you can beat Hps for penetration and plants that big need all the penetration they can get.

There are a ton of folks getting out of growing after they realize its too much work. I see great deals on newer lights with all their equipment going at 1/2 price and negotiable from there. Facebook market place, We have kijiji up here, craigs list for you....but if you know what you're looking for keep an eye out second hand,,,,

 

[smoke]

Hey Smoke, sorry just catching up.

What plant is in the post directly above? I'm having zero issues with my watermelon running GH at 450 on the 500 scale. I'm also running silica and cal mag. I did a water change yesterday because my PH started to dive, and it is back to stable with the res swap and the plant is very happy.

My LEDs are not what you would find today. These are really old Optic 8+ in this tent. If you want to spend some real money, you can cover that space well with several lights on the market. If you just want to get it done with minimum cost and frills, I was always impressed with the spider farmer bar lights. If you remember, Aqua did a 4 plant RDWC at the other place with the SE7000 I believe.

Leafs above are from AF1, day 8 flower, specially plant #3. On your 500 scale im about 490 tds. These plants have bean in this water now for 5 weeks without a change and are eating as i like to see. Yesterday and today i tried your method and changed the ratios some in the favor of feeding more potassium and they ate it up yesterday. We'll see if they ate it again today, if not they'll get a water change.

My watermelon Gelato and chetta piss are still in the veg room, we will be taking clones from both tomorrow. I was surprised to see the veining as pronounced as it was in your side by side. I cleaned up my lowers to show the difference between mine and yours. Mind you I'm only feeding the chetta piss and watermelon at 350 ppm.
Watermelon front chetta piss back

 

[smoke]

Took 5 clones from watermelon gelato and 4 from chetta piss, the plan is to flower 2 of each next when the AF1 is finished.

Met a kid in Buckeye Az and bought his homemade rdwc setup and this homemade cloner from him 12 years ago, uses a external pump.

Haven't changed the water in 8 weeks running neither (neitherlive nor sterile). Roots look good


Also did a change of the water in the flower room.

 

[Pipecarver]

Took 5 clones from watermelon gelato and 4 from chetta piss, the plan is to flower 2 of each next when the AF1 is finished.

Met a kid in Buckeye Az and bought his homemade rdwc setup and this homemade cloner from him 12 years ago, uses a external pump. View attachment 18772View attachment 18773

Haven't changed the water in 8 weeks running neither (neitherlive nor sterile). Roots look good
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Also did a change of the water in the flower room.

It's Alive......don't let them merge...fk don't even let each of them know there's another one in the same room.......

 

[Observer]

sweet

 

[GrumpAzz]

Is this any cause for concern?

 

[smoke]

Is this any cause for concern?View attachment 18834

Im not concerned about that.

 

[smoke]

Helper was with me again so i grabbed a snap or the roots. She says she can't do this much more
Day 13 flwr

 

[Max]

Massive Smoke

 

[Nesta]

so ridiculous… In the best way Smoke.