Grump's Indigo Sapphire Grow 🌱

[GrumpAzz]

Turned back up and looking good...

Some roots for the gooners...

 

[steamroller]

Without media it looks like you have more roots as opposed to the large root that eventually finds its way out with smaller ones.
You may even get to keep the top on the tent this time~!
Plants look great man.

 

[GrumpAzz]

It's crazy to think that these clones were cut from mama's teet barely over a month ago...
They're happy and healthy and growing like muhfuckers.
Day 11 of flower.

 

[TomH]

Do you see what I see??
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They look great and they're working hard.
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I'll let 'em run like this for another week or so and then change out the res with a full dose of PK. They're gonna need tied down soon so I'll get in there and do that on my next day off.

Happy New Year Fuckers!

Pubes

 

[TomH]

Without media it looks like you have more roots as opposed to the large root that eventually finds its way out with smaller ones.
You may even get to keep the top on the tent this time~!
Plants look great man.

That tent was classic!

 

[GrumpAzz]

That tent was classic!

Same ol' tent but it's no longer a convertible... vaulted ceilings are the new fad.

 

[BlueCollarBob]

Wow! I didn't think it could get better. Super clean looking mod. @Stoneyluv might have a challenger for my personal ranking of best insulation wrap job . Just kidding. It really does look great.

 

[Observer]

It's crazy to think that these clones were cut from mama's teet barely over a month ago...
They're happy and healthy and growing like muhfuckers.
Day 11 of flower.
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"Day 21 strip" (?)

(Are you going to)

 

[GrumpAzz]

"Day 21 strip" (?)
(Are you going to)

Somewhere around there. I'll hit 'em with a hard defol when they stop stretching. Still putting on 2 inches a day.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Day 13

 

[Stoneyluv]

Somewhere around there. I'll hit 'em with a hard defol when they stop stretching. Still putting on 2 inches a day.

maybe not quite as hard as last time... leave a little meat on the bones, especially the top 1/3.. you can always take more later if necessary.

looks awesome, can't even tell where one plants ends and the other begins!!

 

[GrumpAzz]

maybe not quite as hard as last time... leave a little meat on the bones, especially the top 1/3..

I'm still convinced it wasn't me that caused the crazy growth on my Kitchen Sink. Funky genetics all the way.

I usually take all the big fans and most of the medium fans. All those little fans come in soon after and take over the workload. They grow so fast. Lots of branches need removed too, depending on how tall they get.

 

[Stoneyluv]

I'm still convinced it wasn't me that caused the crazy growth on my Kitchen Sink. Funky genetics all the way.

oh i don't believe your defol caused that either... but i still think you went a little heavy. just my 2¢

 

[GrumpAzz]

Today starts week 3 of flower and I've been raising the light 3-4" every morning.
They're clearly stacking better than my last run, no doubt.

On track for my best harvest, from the looks of it.

 

[doublej]

Today starts week 3 of flower and I've been raising the light 3-4" every morning.
They're clearly stacking better than my last run, no doubt.
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On track for my best harvest, from the looks of it.

Bushy Bushy......

How close is the light? Curious..
.

 

[GrumpAzz]

How close is the light? Curious..

Every morning I set it to 24" above the taller colas.

 

[Observer]

Today starts week 3 of flower and I've been raising the light 3-4" every morning.
They're clearly stacking better than my last run, no doubt.
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On track for my best harvest, from the looks of it.

Yea, those were fuck-ass genetics bro, last run.

Strip these bitches, turn the fuckin co2, ppfd and E.C up, 100% fact no b.s. - lol

Npk to MPK, keep the nitrogen up to darken them (compared to the other ratios) and them back off n, more MPK+micros/supplements.


This run is off to a great fuckin start.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Strip these bitches, turn the fuckin co2, ppfd and E.C up, 100% fact no b.s. - lol

Oh they're getting stripped soon. There's some budsites starting to build so I don't want to wait too long.

They just got their top-off filled with a little extra PK and a little higher ppm. They'll get a full swap when I get them stripped. Likely in the next few days.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Had to raise the light 4 inches this morning. Quite a productive day for them yesterday.

 

[steamroller]

I wonder if letting them grow into the light [ to an extent, not crazy like] would help mitigate the stretch.
There are articles on it.
They look great man~!

 

[GrumpAzz]

I wonder if letting them grow into the light [ to an extent, not crazy like] would help mitigate the stretch.
There are articles on it.
They look great man~!

Much closer than the 24" starts to bleach 'em.
They're stacking a lot better this time around.

 

[Observer]

I wonder if letting them grow into the light [ to an extent, not crazy like] would help mitigate the stretch.
There are articles on it.
They look great man~!

When I flipped to flower, I always increased ppfd and did not notice too much stretching.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I'm conflicted on when to defoliate...
We're at day 16 I believe.

If I'm going off of growth... they ain't done. I measure every morning and raise the light accordingly. Yesterday the tallest colas put on 6 inches...


If I'm going off bud production... it's time or even a little too late. They've started to build and there is a ton of little cotton-tops that I don't want robbing nutes and energy from the others.


Little early if we're looking for 3 weeks, little late if we wanna get it before the buds build...

Let me know what you think

 

[Observer]

I'm conflicted on when to defoliate...
We're at day 16 I believe.

If I'm going off of growth... they ain't done. I measure every morning and raise the light accordingly. Yesterday the tallest colas put on 6 inches...
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If I'm going off bud production... it's time or even a little too late. They've started to build and there is a ton of little cotton-tops that I don't want robbing nutes and energy from the others.
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Little early if we're looking for 3 weeks, little late if we wanna get it before the buds build...

Let me know what you think

=)

 

[Observer]

Ppfd & e.c?

 

[Observer]

I'm conflicted on when to defoliate...
We're at day 16 I believe.

If I'm going off of growth... they ain't done. I measure every morning and raise the light accordingly. Yesterday the tallest colas put on 6 inches...
View attachment 123033

If I'm going off bud production... it's time or even a little too late. They've started to build and there is a ton of little cotton-tops that I don't want robbing nutes and energy from the others.
View attachment 123034

Little early if we're looking for 3 weeks, little late if we wanna get it before the buds build...

Let me know what you think

Personally, I would be "skirting" them, removing the bottom growth, removing those fans that are blocking other budsites.

Removing the bottom 1/3 or 1/4 and then some more the next few days, not doing too much at once.

Rh control, and blocking any budsites, removing lower growth to prevent "larf" or "popcorn" nugs.

 

[Observer]

Or just fuckin send it, remove everything that is not a bud, it'll stress them the fuck out for a second but if everything is right and they aren't fuck-ass genetics, all the energy will shift/focus to the bud development.

That's "schwazzing"

 

[GrumpAzz]

Ppfd & e.c?

Ppfd is pretty broad. The light has a 4x4 footprint and the center colas are getting hammered. Around the edges ranges from 800-1000 going up to 1200 towards the center, but the taller ones right in the middle are seeing 1600.
*according to my photone app with proper filter.

EC is right at 1. 500 on the 500 scale. It's being topped up with 650ppm. The top-off has a boost in PK to slowly bring it up in the plant-sites.

Personally, I would be "skirting" them

This is what I'm thinking too. Get rid of the lower bits and the puny branches that happened to run. Take all the BIG fans and most of the mediem sized fans. Get them to focus on the buds I want to build.

 

[Observer]

Ppfd is pretty broad. The light has a 4x4 footprint and the center colas are getting hammered. Around the edges ranges from 800-1000 going up to 1200 towards the center, but the taller ones right in the middle are seeing 1600.
*according to my photone app with proper filter.

EC is right at 1. 500 on the 500 scale. It's being topped up with 650ppm. The top-off has a boost in PK to slowly bring it up in the plant-sites.


This is what I'm thinking too. Get rid of the lower bits and the puny branches that happened to run. Take all the BIG fans and most of the mediem sized fans. Get them to focus on the buds I want to build.

Sweet.

Based off the tips, probably right around 1.6 is a good E.C rn

I suspect once they really start eating & developing can maybe push that.

PPFD is probably pretty solid rn without co2 supp

 

[GrumpAzz]

I suspect once they really start eating & developing can maybe push that.

Yep this was a transition res with a boosted top-off. Once they've drank all of this, I'll do a full changeout to a higher EC.

 

[steamroller]

I prefer to prune leaves that block bud sites and minimally after that for air flow.
They are the solar panels that make your light the most useful.
I understand removing the bottoms if they have not grown equal to others.
But without leaves there is no bank if you are not on point with feedings.
This from Bruce Bugbee on removing leaves during flowering;

I recommend minimal pruning. Unless it is necessary to improve airflow in the bottom of the canopy. But getting more fans is better than pruning. We do prune the shoot tip meristem in the early flowering stages to improve branching. But we do not remove the lower leaves, which contribute photosynthates and remobilize nutrients until harvest.

I have many times watched my plants feed off lower leaves when I have missed proper feeding somehow.
I have only seen a few good growers use schwazing and still have a great looking finished product.
I love to stress the plant, but I would never strip a plant and not expect something to bite me.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I prefer to prune leaves that block bud sites and minimally after that for air flow.
They are the solar panels that make your light the most useful.
I understand removing the bottoms if they have not grown equal to others.
But without leaves there is no bank if you are not on point with feedings.
This from Bruce Bugbee on removing leaves during flowering;

I recommend minimal pruning. Unless it is necessary to improve airflow in the bottom of the canopy. But getting more fans is better than pruning. We do prune the shoot tip meristem in the early flowering stages to improve branching. But we do not remove the lower leaves, which contribute photosynthates and remobilize nutrients until harvest.

I have many times watched my plants feed off lower leaves when I have missed proper feeding somehow.
I have only seen a few good growers use schwazing and still have a great looking finished product.
I love to stress the plant, but I would never strip a plant and not expect something to bite me.

I wonder if the same rules apply for us hydro guys that are always providing what they need with a faster, more efficient uptake?

I get the solar panel reference, for sure. I usually leave enough leaves and by the time they're fully into flower, what I left still need pruned towards the end. I take a lot, but not a full on schwazze.

 

[Observer]

I wonder if the same rules apply for us hydro guys that are always providing what they need with a faster, more efficient uptake?

Thats the key.

The proper nutrition.

Ones that do properly "Schwazze"

It's automated, so there's no missing nutrient/irrigation events anyways.

And this is DWC so even better.

 

[steamroller]

I pull leaves through out flower but only as needed after initial 3-week thing but after that mostly uppers or spent lowers as needed.
It is hard to walk through and pull a couple everytime.

 

[Observer]

They perking towards the light throughout the cycle?

 

[Observer]

Sweet.

Based off the tips, probably right around 1.6 is a good E.C rn

I suspect once they really start eating & developing can maybe push that.

PPFD is probably pretty solid rn without co2 supp

Oops, I read it as 1.5 e.c mb

So probably 1.0-1.4 till buds really start goin'

 

[GrumpAzz]

Didn't find the time to trim 'em up today but I did see them right before lights out. Some droop but most of them were still out flat. Zero vertical growth since this morning so tomorrow they're getting whacked regardless.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Delivered on a Sunday!

 

[Observer]

Delivered on a Sunday!
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This fuckin thing was/is only 33$?

If it works I'm adding that to my list.

Thanks.

 

[Observer]

Didn't find the time to trim 'em up today but I did see them right before lights out. Some droop but most of them were still out flat.

Could maybe reduce ppfd by like 50, ease up on the gas pedal slightly.

Zero vertical growth since this morning so tomorrow they're getting whacked regardless.

This run is looking great, and I think you're at the ceiling with these plants in terms of "pushing" them with the allowed variables.