Grump's Indigo Sapphire Grow 🌱

[GrumpAzz]

I wonder if letting them grow into the light [ to an extent, not crazy like] would help mitigate the stretch.
There are articles on it.
They look great man~!

Much closer than the 24" starts to bleach 'em.
They're stacking a lot better this time around.

 

[Observer]

I wonder if letting them grow into the light [ to an extent, not crazy like] would help mitigate the stretch.
There are articles on it.
They look great man~!

When I flipped to flower, I always increased ppfd and did not notice too much stretching.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I'm conflicted on when to defoliate...
We're at day 16 I believe.

If I'm going off of growth... they ain't done. I measure every morning and raise the light accordingly. Yesterday the tallest colas put on 6 inches...


If I'm going off bud production... it's time or even a little too late. They've started to build and there is a ton of little cotton-tops that I don't want robbing nutes and energy from the others.


Little early if we're looking for 3 weeks, little late if we wanna get it before the buds build...

Let me know what you think

 

[Observer]

I'm conflicted on when to defoliate...
We're at day 16 I believe.

If I'm going off of growth... they ain't done. I measure every morning and raise the light accordingly. Yesterday the tallest colas put on 6 inches...
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If I'm going off bud production... it's time or even a little too late. They've started to build and there is a ton of little cotton-tops that I don't want robbing nutes and energy from the others.
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Little early if we're looking for 3 weeks, little late if we wanna get it before the buds build...

Let me know what you think

=)

 

[Observer]

Ppfd & e.c?

 

[Observer]

I'm conflicted on when to defoliate...
We're at day 16 I believe.

If I'm going off of growth... they ain't done. I measure every morning and raise the light accordingly. Yesterday the tallest colas put on 6 inches...
View attachment 123033

If I'm going off bud production... it's time or even a little too late. They've started to build and there is a ton of little cotton-tops that I don't want robbing nutes and energy from the others.
View attachment 123034

Little early if we're looking for 3 weeks, little late if we wanna get it before the buds build...

Let me know what you think

Personally, I would be "skirting" them, removing the bottom growth, removing those fans that are blocking other budsites.

Removing the bottom 1/3 or 1/4 and then some more the next few days, not doing too much at once.

Rh control, and blocking any budsites, removing lower growth to prevent "larf" or "popcorn" nugs.

 

[Observer]

Or just fuckin send it, remove everything that is not a bud, it'll stress them the fuck out for a second but if everything is right and they aren't fuck-ass genetics, all the energy will shift/focus to the bud development.

That's "schwazzing"

 

[GrumpAzz]

Ppfd & e.c?

Ppfd is pretty broad. The light has a 4x4 footprint and the center colas are getting hammered. Around the edges ranges from 800-1000 going up to 1200 towards the center, but the taller ones right in the middle are seeing 1600.
*according to my photone app with proper filter.

EC is right at 1. 500 on the 500 scale. It's being topped up with 650ppm. The top-off has a boost in PK to slowly bring it up in the plant-sites.

Personally, I would be "skirting" them

This is what I'm thinking too. Get rid of the lower bits and the puny branches that happened to run. Take all the BIG fans and most of the mediem sized fans. Get them to focus on the buds I want to build.

 

[Observer]

Ppfd is pretty broad. The light has a 4x4 footprint and the center colas are getting hammered. Around the edges ranges from 800-1000 going up to 1200 towards the center, but the taller ones right in the middle are seeing 1600.
*according to my photone app with proper filter.

EC is right at 1. 500 on the 500 scale. It's being topped up with 650ppm. The top-off has a boost in PK to slowly bring it up in the plant-sites.


This is what I'm thinking too. Get rid of the lower bits and the puny branches that happened to run. Take all the BIG fans and most of the mediem sized fans. Get them to focus on the buds I want to build.

Sweet.

Based off the tips, probably right around 1.6 is a good E.C rn

I suspect once they really start eating & developing can maybe push that.

PPFD is probably pretty solid rn without co2 supp

 

[GrumpAzz]

I suspect once they really start eating & developing can maybe push that.

Yep this was a transition res with a boosted top-off. Once they've drank all of this, I'll do a full changeout to a higher EC.

 

[steamroller]

I prefer to prune leaves that block bud sites and minimally after that for air flow.
They are the solar panels that make your light the most useful.
I understand removing the bottoms if they have not grown equal to others.
But without leaves there is no bank if you are not on point with feedings.
This from Bruce Bugbee on removing leaves during flowering;

I recommend minimal pruning. Unless it is necessary to improve airflow in the bottom of the canopy. But getting more fans is better than pruning. We do prune the shoot tip meristem in the early flowering stages to improve branching. But we do not remove the lower leaves, which contribute photosynthates and remobilize nutrients until harvest.

I have many times watched my plants feed off lower leaves when I have missed proper feeding somehow.
I have only seen a few good growers use schwazing and still have a great looking finished product.
I love to stress the plant, but I would never strip a plant and not expect something to bite me.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I prefer to prune leaves that block bud sites and minimally after that for air flow.
They are the solar panels that make your light the most useful.
I understand removing the bottoms if they have not grown equal to others.
But without leaves there is no bank if you are not on point with feedings.
This from Bruce Bugbee on removing leaves during flowering;

I recommend minimal pruning. Unless it is necessary to improve airflow in the bottom of the canopy. But getting more fans is better than pruning. We do prune the shoot tip meristem in the early flowering stages to improve branching. But we do not remove the lower leaves, which contribute photosynthates and remobilize nutrients until harvest.

I have many times watched my plants feed off lower leaves when I have missed proper feeding somehow.
I have only seen a few good growers use schwazing and still have a great looking finished product.
I love to stress the plant, but I would never strip a plant and not expect something to bite me.

I wonder if the same rules apply for us hydro guys that are always providing what they need with a faster, more efficient uptake?

I get the solar panel reference, for sure. I usually leave enough leaves and by the time they're fully into flower, what I left still need pruned towards the end. I take a lot, but not a full on schwazze.

 

[Observer]

I wonder if the same rules apply for us hydro guys that are always providing what they need with a faster, more efficient uptake?

Thats the key.

The proper nutrition.

Ones that do properly "Schwazze"

It's automated, so there's no missing nutrient/irrigation events anyways.

And this is DWC so even better.

 

[steamroller]

I pull leaves through out flower but only as needed after initial 3-week thing but after that mostly uppers or spent lowers as needed.
It is hard to walk through and pull a couple everytime.

 

[Observer]

They perking towards the light throughout the cycle?

 

[Observer]

Sweet.

Based off the tips, probably right around 1.6 is a good E.C rn

I suspect once they really start eating & developing can maybe push that.

PPFD is probably pretty solid rn without co2 supp

Oops, I read it as 1.5 e.c mb

So probably 1.0-1.4 till buds really start goin'