Red's Thread ~ All things Cannabis

[GrumpAzz]

I’m a Libertarian I figure if I’m not hurting you take your rules and shove them. I hate how backwards some states are and def hate we can’t just ship each other some bud in the usps.

I really hate politics. And I’m a middle class white guy, the system works for me.

Yeah for sure. Thankfully, even though you "can't" ship it, we do

My grows will line up soon. That second plant was just a turd from the get-go. That set me back. This run, I plan to fill my screen and THEN flip. That way everything grows up at the same rate and maybe I'll end up with some donkey dicks. I might've harvested a bit early last round, also. 10 zips was a good yield but I plan on beating that this time.

 

[SiamSam]

I’m a Libertarian I figure if I’m not hurting you take your rules and shove them. I hate how backwards some states are and def hate we can’t just ship each other some bud in the usps.

I really hate politics. And I’m a middle class white guy, the system works for me.

Disagree, you are much classier than middle class, I would say 1st Class...

 

[GrumpAzz]

Yeah for sure. Thankfully, even though you "can't" ship it, we do

The wife just ordered a whole pie. 1700 for this lady's top tier mix and matched. So far it's been pretty darn decent. Her Lemon Cherry Gelato was really good the GG4 we're on now is good too.

 

[moe.red]

This post will be called live by the tech, die by the tech.

I'm still sorting thru what happened here, but take a look at this.

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Any normal grower would most likely look at that mess and say it is EC, ratios, PH, environmental, pests, or any number of other things. It's none of those. Straight up, it is lack of O2 in the root zone.

What I find so interesting is just how different each plant is responding to it. The gammut from what looks like RH too low to serious deficiencies to I got pests eating my plants. And actually a couple of these still look pretty good!

What happened is I took a trip this week. When I left everything looked great. I came home to this.

All the normal stuff checked out. Environment, EC, PH, roots, everything. I didn't believe my sensors, so I cleaned up and recalibrated a bluelab system, and turns out I'm good.



Here’s the environment




VPD is 1.00.

Lighting is low and tuned for veg




So I messed with the O2 stuff and found the problem



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And after all the calibration and tweaking the final for my res is



Oh god damn. That should be a minimum of 8 and on the bench I get over 20. In my fog grows over 20.

This is what it looks like when you drown your roots. If this were soil, it would be totally overwatered.

Something is broken in my O2 concentrator or delivery system. This sucks. Oh, well, time to come up with plan B.

 

[moe.red]

The temporary fix

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Gonna let this run a few hours and remeasure. Not making any other changes at this time.

 

[GrumpAzz]

My plant is roughly the same size and I'm running 260 also.

Hope you get it all sorted out. I have an alita air pump arriving next week. Been thinking about grabbing some new airstones too.

 

[steamroller]

My plant is roughly the same size and I'm running 260 also.

Hope you get it all sorted out. I have an alita air pump arriving next week. Been thinking about grabbing some new airstones too.

You're going to like the Alita~!
You may need a splitter to bleed off extra air..

 

[midwestcannaman]

You're going to like the Alita~!
You may need a splitter to bleed off extra air..

Agreed, they move an amazing amount of air. Very good choice of a pump!!

 

[moe.red]

So the O2 is back up to near where it needs to be and I see some recovery.





I'm going to kick on the chiller and add more stones to try to raise it some more, but I'm past the emergency. Water temp is 74*F, gonna set it for 68* and get ready to add H2O2 if needed.

 

[smoke]

My current culture setup came with this air flow regulator

https://hydrobuilder.com/current-culture-air-flow-regulator-assembly.html?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAk9itBhASEiwA1my_6_JZLh6yJhheuVX4G24zwuiujYAm-3f74sEKzTCkvDcE99J1M4iQmxoClhQQAvD_BwE

 

[moe.red]

OK so I did a bunch of stuff.

Turned on chiller set to 68*
Turned on AC set to 76. It was getting up to 78 - 80 range and I figured I'd slow things down a touch to give the recovery a boost
Reset PH, it climbed up a bit since I drove off CO2 (carbonic acid) in the process of bubbling.
Added 2 more air pumps and 4 more stones giving me a total of 8 stones. Now I have 1 in each plant site too.
Now I monitor for a bit. I have never been able to get the O2 much higher than 8mg/L using airstones. I'm not expecting much more than that, although the temp drop will help on that front when it catches up.

Now we wait.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Agreed, they move an amazing amount of air. Very good choice of a pump!!

I've seen Smoke and Steam mention them several times. I've got a splitter with valves that I can use to calm down the bubbles if necessary.

I'm mostly anticipating the noise reduction. This pump I have is noisy as all hell. I moved it into the lung room but I can still hear that sucker in my bedroom.

 

[steamroller]

I've seen Smoke and Steam mention them several times. I've got a splitter with valves that I can use to calm down the bubbles if necessary.

I'm mostly anticipating the noise reduction. This pump I have is noisy as all hell. I moved it into the lung room but I can still hear that sucker in my bedroom.

Hook up the splitter whether you think you need it or not.
Open your air stones all the way.
Then see if bleeding air off makes the pump quieter without effecting flow.
I have large Alitas and without releasing extra air they are not as quiet as could be.
Which model did you get, the 6A? I ran 15 aquariums with 2 lines each with that pump.
They are the quietest pumps I have ever owned besides most powerful.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Hook up the splitter whether you think you need it or not.
Open your air stones all the way.
Then see if bleeding air off makes the pump quieter without effecting flow.
I have large Alitas and without releasing extra air they are not as quiet as could be.
Which model did you get, the 6A? I ran 15 aquariums with 2 lines each with that pump.
They are the quietest pumps I have ever owned besides most powerful.

I grabbed the smallest one they have. 15 lpm I believe. I only run 4 airstones but I'd like to run another one or two in my top of res and another one in my RO tank. Is that necessary, though? I haven't had one in there in almost a year.

 

[steamroller]

Nice with the 15A~!
You can't install too much air IMO.
With enough stones in use you will not to bleed off.
That pump will supply you air for everything you can dream up.

 

[moe.red]

Well, what a difference 48 hours makes when you give the plants the O2 in the rootzone they want!










I'm going to give them 1 or 2 more days before I clean up the bottoms and bring the lights up.

 

[steamroller]

Nice bounce back~!
Just air pump and chiller still?

 

[smoke]

Well, what a difference 48 hours makes when you give the plants the O2 in the rootzone they want!

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I'm going to give them 1 or 2 more days before I clean up the bottoms and bring the lights up.

That's a good increase in 48 hrs.

 

[moe.red]

Nice bounce back~!
Just air pump and chiller still?

Yup yup. I can't get the O2 any higher no matter how much more air I add. It's a Henry's law thing.

So basically this is standard RDWC now. I haven't had the heart to call Aqua Man yet. But he will understand.

I really wanted to see what would happen in RDWC at 300% O2. Maybe next time.

 

[moe.red]

That's a good increase in 48 hrs.

The O2 increase happens in just a few hours. But the plants bouncing back took a couple of days.

 

[steamroller]

There is a reason why people who medically need 02 concentrators rent them.
That was my conclusion when I initially investigated and that was buying a $1,000 unit.
24/7 high volume is a lot to ask.

 

[moe.red]

There is a reason why people who medically need 02 concentrators rent them.
That was my conclusion when I initially investigated and that was buying a $1,000 unit.
24/7 high volume is a lot to ask.

I did not know the limits on this until I found it. Part of living on the bleeding edge.

I gotta say tho, when it works it's worth it. Lemme dig up those fog root pics, brb.

 

[stonemason]

The O2 increase happens in just a few hours. But the plants bouncing back took a couple of days.

Looks good .has anyone ever used the water chillers for buble hash.

 

[moe.red]

Here is some root porn grown at 300% O2

 

[moe.red]

Looks good .has anyone ever used the water chillers for buble hash.

Not me. I've also got a serious chiller for the rotovap that would do a pretty good job I would imagine. Never thought to try it.

 

[stonemason]

Not me. I've also got a serious chiller for the rotovap that would do a pretty good job I would imagine. Never thought to try it.

Ya I'm not saying get rid of the Ice completely. But i bet it would work great im not real familiar with the chillers.we used to go through so much ice running the washing machines at the farm I used to work at.

 

[stonemason]

Looks like a bunch of people are doing it that way.i always think about it when i hear someone mention a chiller.

 

[moe.red]

Looks like a bunch of people are doing it that way.i always think about it when i hear someone mention a chiller.View attachment 42344

Jesus that aint cheap. Is bubble hash worth it?

 

[steamroller]

Jesus that aint cheap. Is bubble hash worth it?

Not IMO~!
Step away from the chiller~!
You know it's bad if I even remotely come off as the voice of reason.

 

[stonemason]

Nope. They were trying to do everything in house and solventless for awhile.it.didnt last long.i have seen people make some nice stuff but it wasn't me. We would smash the buble hash for rosin and use it for edibles.

 

[moe.red]

All 12 plants have recovered nicely and are putting out healthy new growth.

I learned quite a bit with this little accident. Lack of O2 in the root zone can throw out a lot of completely different symptoms based on genetics. For the most part the symptoms were the same within a strain group, but each strain presented a different symptom.

Something for the old memory banks there.

 

[moe.red]

Plants have recovered enough that I do not feel a need to start over. I have my eye on the best 8.




Now it's time to harden them a bit and see who stands out. Lighting going from 20% to 50%. I'm leaving the spectrum alone for now these are shaped pretty well on average.




Tomorrow I'll compare. By Monday I'll have the 8 finalists in their final spots, crank up the CO2, lower the RH a touch. and let them get bush shaped. Once I have 75% of the canopy I want defoliate and I'll flip to flower. Probably 8 - 10 days or so is all I'll need from here.

BTW @smoke - still running neither. There is clearly a colony of something there, but it does not seem to be causing any trouble. As long as I keep parameters correct from here on out I'm not expecting trouble. Pythium(s) grow faster than this lot in my experience.

 

[moe.red]

Geez, been over a month since I posted.

Doing the behind the scenes on the forum move has taken all the time I would normally spend in the growspace and posting.

Life is very full but good rn. I'm officially down in the 170s again, first time since my teens I guess. If you believe BMI I'm a few pounds from normal weight. Wish I had done this weight loss 10 years ago. Still angling towards back surgery to fix spinal stenosis tho pretty soon.

Looking forward to going to the motocross with mosh end of the month downtown in the dome. Time to be a kid again for a minute. Son is coming with, should be fun.

Plants are flowering. Grapefruit Diesel - only one of 4 germed, but the one that grew is quite the plant. I've been running low on Gusher Runtz, and those plants are doing well too. Imperium X is in the middle, and Mac Dragon just never recovered as well from the low O2 mishap as seedlings, but they will still produce bud. Those 2 are the smallest. But sometimes the runts turn out to be the best smoke, so I couldn't care less about yield, just want quality.

Tomorrow AM is vinyl and gardening. I'll post some updates. Tonight it is Han Solo Death Cookies and cooking with the better half. Then watch something in 3D on the porn couch I think. Happy Friday BB. Smoke 'em if ya got em'.

 

[Cool_Beans]

Geez, been over a month since I posted.

Doing the behind the scenes on the forum move has taken all the time I would normally spend in the growspace and posting.

Life is very full but good rn. I'm officially down in the 170s again, first time since my teens I guess. If you believe BMI I'm a few pounds from normal weight. Wish I had done this weight loss 10 years ago. Still angling towards back surgery to fix spinal stenosis tho pretty soon.

Looking forward to going to the motocross with mosh end of the month downtown in the dome. Time to be a kid again for a minute. Son is coming with, should be fun.

Plants are flowering. Grapefruit Diesel - only one of 4 germed, but the one that grew is quite the plant. I've been running low on Gusher Runtz, and those plants are doing well too. Imperium X is in the middle, and Mac Dragon just never recovered as well from the low O2 mishap as seedlings, but they will still produce bud. Those 2 are the smallest. But sometimes the runts turn out to be the best smoke, so I couldn't care less about yield, just want quality.

Tomorrow AM is vinyl and gardening. I'll post some updates. Tonight it is Han Solo Death Cookies and cooking with the better half. Then watch something in 3D on the porn couch I think. Happy Friday BB. Smoke 'em if ya got em'.

Awesome man, love hearing it. Must feel like a new man! I bet the fam is proud of you as well. Nothing wrong with feeling your oats a little, you definitely deserve it. Much respect.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Geez, been over a month since I posted.

Doing the behind the scenes on the forum move has taken all the time I would normally spend in the growspace and posting.

Life is very full but good rn. I'm officially down in the 170s again, first time since my teens I guess. If you believe BMI I'm a few pounds from normal weight. Wish I had done this weight loss 10 years ago. Still angling towards back surgery to fix spinal stenosis tho pretty soon.

Looking forward to going to the motocross with mosh end of the month downtown in the dome. Time to be a kid again for a minute. Son is coming with, should be fun.

Plants are flowering. Grapefruit Diesel - only one of 4 germed, but the one that grew is quite the plant. I've been running low on Gusher Runtz, and those plants are doing well too. Imperium X is in the middle, and Mac Dragon just never recovered as well from the low O2 mishap as seedlings, but they will still produce bud. Those 2 are the smallest. But sometimes the runts turn out to be the best smoke, so I couldn't care less about yield, just want quality.

Tomorrow AM is vinyl and gardening. I'll post some updates. Tonight it is Han Solo Death Cookies and cooking with the better half. Then watch something in 3D on the porn couch I think. Happy Friday BB. Smoke 'em if ya got em'.

great work on the weight lose Moe!!! i wanted to lose 20lbs for the new year, only lost 12 so far.. i bought a sous vide cooker, what a mistake that was trying to lose a few pounds!

how big are your imperium X? i have three young ones in training right now.. two look similar and one is a red headed step child. if you get a chance i'd love to see a pic of yours!!


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do you ride dirt bikes Moe?

 

[moe.red]

great work on the weight lose Moe!!! i wanted to lose 20lbs for the new year, only lost 12 so far.. i bought a sous vide cooker, what a mistake that was trying to lose a few pounds!

how big are your imperium X? i have three young ones in training right now.. two look similar and one is a red headed step child. if you get a chance i'd love to see a pic of yours!!

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do you ride dirt bikes Moe?

When I was a kid. I was probably about 25 when I switched to street bikes. First was crotch rockets then cruisers now I’m into touring.

Pics coming.

 

[SSgrower]

Sweet, and I know about "Behind the Scenes" work, I just gave up 3 days work for the medical crew I have worked for 13 years or so. I am trying to germinate Purple Dragon Rider today I should see tails. Cheers Moe and post pics.

 

[SSgrower]

2 of my DFG seeds "jumped out of my verti germinator" I inspected them this morning and only 2 seeds in the verti? Man, I can't catch a break. Well, popping the last 3 this morning.

 

[MDK]

170s? Congrats dude that really is something idk where ya started out but I've seen many people never move the needle. Back issues suck ass

 

[Rootsruler]

That is quite the accomplishment. I've been starting to pay more attention to what I've been eating and moving around more now that the hand has healed up. I need to lose around 20lbs to catch up with you.