Grump's Power Plant Grow.

[Zen_seeker]

570 was after the added dose of epsom. It was 420 before that amendment and the top-off res is at 420. It's slowly diluting itself back down as she's finally shooting roots and noticeably drinking every day. 550 this morning.

I've come off of shift work and our plant has an outage for 2 weeks, so we won't be going back online until after that, at least. I should have a bit more energy to tend to her needs so I'd really like to see this one through. I'd hate to cull her now, especially after the root growth has really sped up. She seems to be making up some ground there, so I'm hopeful for some signs of improvement soon.

I get it. I have trouble tossing too. Plus it’s a challenge and learning experience. Just going to take a lot longer.

Mine had this problem just before I joined here in April. GNick got me through it then I got the boot.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Will be watching this for sure bro, bet of luck!

I'd ask the experts to correct me if I am wrong here, but the way I understand it, it doesn't really matter what caused the rise in ppm, ie, epsom. That still contributes to your overall number, the same way it works when you use tap water instead of RO, or like myself, where my RO tank is getting contaminated some how. The only difference is you know what that 150 ppm is.

This is part of the reason hydro guys use RO water, start with the lowest ppm possible because every single ppm counts against you in your final number. I remember first hearing this and thought it was erroneous, of course I know it all right? lol. Learned real quick, yea that number counts against you. We are on a well, ppm 8-900 out of the ground. It was a big fail for me to try using this water untreated. I can't explain the science behind it, but I do know it's true.

Just some food for thought here bro and take it from a newbie hydro guy like myself, with a grain of caution, lots to learn.

I'm following ya. I start with 0ppm and could tell you how many ppm per nutrient are in my res, including the UP and DOWN. My last plant showed these symptoms and an epsom dose took care of it. That plant was more established at the time, though. This plant took forever to really start growing and hasn't stopped looking like this. It's taproot showed up in a few days and it wasn't until maybe a week ago that I started getting roots out of the side. These new roots look great and are branching out well. I'm thinking things are gonna start moving a little quicker, good or bad.

I can understand wanting to give it the chop if you're on a time crunch, but I've got nothing but time. I can handle an extra month or so in veg trying to rope her in. Experience is more important than yield at this point, for me. I can't help but think that when she makes her comeback, it'll be glorious.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I'm going to be keeping an eye on the secodary shoots coming from the lower nodes. As of yet, they look alright. I'm hoping, with the recent boost in root growth, she's going to work out the issue. All primary leaves are still showing the same potential deficiency so if the secondary shoots start to fade, she's getting the chop. She's been drinking and eating good and the tent is starting to smell green so I've got high hopes. I'll throw up some pictures tonight.

If she gets the chop, I've got a few crosses in mind for the next go.

-Raspberry Parfait X Purple Panty Dropper
-Strawnana X Pineapple Upside-Down Cake
-All Gas OG X Gelato

All were on the $2 menu at NASC and were part of Humboldt's phenohunter line. They sound delicious. Which would you choose? I'm leaning towards the RPxPPD.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I'm going to be keeping an eye on the secodary shoots coming from the lower nodes. As of yet, they look alright. I'm hoping, with the recent boost in root growth, she's going to work out the issue. All primary leaves are still showing the same potential deficiency so if the secondary shoots start to fade, she's getting the chop. She's been drinking and eating good and the tent is starting to smell green so I've got high hopes. I'll throw up some pictures tonight.

If she gets the chop, I've got a few crosses in mind for the next go.

-Raspberry Parfait X Purple Panty Dropper
-Strawnana X Pineapple Upside-Down Cake
-All Gas OG X Gelato

All were on the $2 menu at NASC and were part of Humboldt's phenohunter line. Both sound delicious. Which would you choose? I'm leaning towards the RPxPPD.

Hope it works out. Sounds like things have improved. New seeds sound good too.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Hope it works out. Sounds like things have improved. New seeds sound good too.

Yeah. I should be flipping it by now but she looks like a 3 week old plant. "Hydro is faster" doesn't compute on this grow. I'm not sure what I did to stunt the root growth, but it's taken forever to start showing any actual progress. I'm stubborn so I haven't culled it yet, and now, with the roots taking off, part of me is wanting to see it through. There's been so much wasted time on this round that if I don't see some relatively immediate improvement, she's getting the axe.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I’ve only pulled males and one fugly plant. I learned a lot. Same with my outdoor grow. But I have time.

Just wish we had more than a 4 plant limit. Hard to grow and experiment.

SCROG let me bank a few ounces so I can take more time or fail without suffering.

 

[Habosabin]

If you haven't calibrated your sensors recently may be good to double check.

 

[Observer]

So it looks like it's still got some of the same issue. I mixed up a batch of silica to prepare for a nute change, if necessary. The roots have really taken off this week, so maybe she'll turn around soon.
Leaf Temp: 77-79°
Humidity: 55-56%
Water Temp: 70-71°
PH: 5.8 steady
EC: 570 (500 scale)
In the res:
- 100ppm Agsil16
- 100ppm epsom
- 3 parts Calmag
- 3 parts Green
- 2 parts Purple
- 1 part Pink
- plenty of Orca

if i may, my 2 cents.

what is youre ambient temp?

i think 80-82 F LST will be better, along with 5.6 pH.

if you're ec is not dropping, she is not uptaking.

 

[Observer]

Will be watching this for sure bro, best of luck!

I'd ask the experts to correct me if I am wrong here, but the way I understand it, it doesn't really matter what caused the rise in ppm, ie, epsom. That still contributes to your overall number, the same way it works when you use tap water instead of RO, or like myself, where my RO tank is getting contaminated some how. The only difference is you know what that 150 ppm is.

This is part of the reason hydro guys use RO water, start with the lowest ppm possible because every single ppm counts against you in your final number. I remember first hearing this and thought it was erroneous, of course I know it all right? lol. Learned real quick, yea that number counts against you. We are on a well, ppm 8-900 out of the ground. It was a big fail for me to try using this water untreated. I can't explain the science behind it, but I do know it's true.

even more important when youre doing hydro/media-dependent, cant really fuck around with E.C points in ROCKWOOL, my tap is fucking that all up and gotta battle my tap for E.C points

Just some food for thought here bro and take it from a newbie hydro guy like myself, with a grain of caution, lots to learn.

 

[GrumpAzz]

if i may, my 2 cents.

what is youre ambient temp?

i think 80-82 F LST will be better, along with 5.6 pH.

if you're ec is not dropping, she is not uptaking.

Ambient temp is 80. Leaf temp varies 77-79. 5.8 ph steady for 3 weeks now. 60% rh.

I top-off with the same ppm so I don't think that holds true for me. What it takes in gets replenished.

If you haven't calibrated your sensors recently may be good to double check.

I calibrate one set of probes every two weeks or so. Top-off res is blinking and due for calibration as of yesterday.

 

[smoke]

Ambient temp is 80. Leaf temp varies 77-79. 5.8 ph steady for 3 weeks now. 60% rh.

I top-off with the same ppm so I don't think that holds true for me. What it takes in gets replenished.


I calibrate one set of probes every two weeks or so. Top-off res is blinking and due for calibration as of yesterday.

Put both your blue lab into your system to check them against each other.

My auto doser is different than my monitor by as much as .3 to .5

 

[GrumpAzz]

Put both your blue lab into your system to check them against each other.

My auto doser is different than my monitor by as much as .3 to .5

I did this at the beginning of the grow and they only showed a .1 difference in pH and no difference in EC. I've got a 5 day weekend starting tomorrow. I'll calibrate both and cross-reference with each other.

 

[steamroller]

Ambient temp is 80. Leaf temp varies 77-79. 5.8 ph steady for 3 weeks now. 60% rh.

I top-off with the same ppm so I don't think that holds true for me. What it takes in gets replenished.


I calibrate one set of probes every two weeks or so. Top-off res is blinking and due for calibration as of yesterday.

Ok no hydro guy but res changes make a difference superior to top offs as I see it.
Lets make up numbers for my example.
You start at 500 and find yourself after at 400.
So you top off to get back to 500.
You don't know what 100 that came out of the 500 was and you replaced it with your original ratio, but you do not know that your res previously at 400 had proper ratios or if the plant was eating only 1 thing in majority.
Top off after top off your ratios are no longer proper or at least there is no way to know.
Changing the res with all new nutes allows you know your ratios are as you set them.
Your plant has issues regardless of readings that scream it is starving to death the way I see it?
Think about weekly or bi-weekly resets?
Hear what others say about my jibberish first, but this is what I would be doing.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Ok no hydro guy but res changes make a difference superior to top offs as I see it.
Lets make up numbers for my example.
You start at 500 and find yourself after at 400.
So you top off to get back to 500.
You don't know what 100 that came out of the 500 was and you replaced it with your original ratio, but you do not know that your res previously at 400 had proper ratios or if the plant was eating only 1 thing in majority.
Top off after top off your ratios are no longer proper or at least there is no way to know.
Changing the res with all new nutes allows you know your ratios are as you set them.
Your plant has issues regardless of readings that scream it is starving to death the way I see it?
Think about weekly or bi-weekly resets?
Hear what others say about my jibberish first, but this is what I would be doing.

This is the 4th res for this plant. Last change we thought would correct it but she keeps showing the same signs. Moe thought she was cannibalizing herself so we upped the ppm. Same problem so I dosed with epsom. Problem still persists. Maybe I'll do another res change this weekend and up the ppm again. No tip burn so maybe she can handle quite a bit more than my last plant?

 

[Observer]

This is the 4th res for this plant. Last change we thought would correct it but she keeps showing the same signs. Moe thought she was cannibalizing herself so we upped the ppm. Same problem so I dosed with epsom. Problem still persists. Maybe I'll do another res change this weekend and up the ppm again. No tip burn so maybe she can handle quite a bit more than my last plant?

see how see looks in a few days

 

[smoke]

Ok no hydro guy but res changes make a difference superior to top offs as I see it.
Lets make up numbers for my example.
You start at 500 and find yourself after at 400.
So you top off to get back to 500.
You don't know what 100 that came out of the 500 was and you replaced it with your original ratio, but you do not know that your res previously at 400 had proper ratios or if the plant was eating only 1 thing in majority.
Top off after top off your ratios are no longer proper or at least there is no way to know.
Changing the res with all new nutes allows you know your ratios are as you set them.
Your plant has issues regardless of readings that scream it is starving to death the way I see it?
Think about weekly or bi-weekly resets?
Hear what others say about my jibberish first, but this is what I would be doing.

Exactly how it works in my room

My 4 plants stopped eating 2 days ago. Yesterday they got a water change to "reset". 120ppms of nutrients added to the base. I expect these 4 plants to eat a good part of that 120 today.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Here she is this morning. You can see, compared to the last pics, the roots are really starting to come in. The leaves come in looking good, then fade like this.

These are the lower shoots that I'm watching. If they start to fade as well, she's done.

Roots looking great.

Plant's getting tall.


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I'll be doing a res change this afternoon to reset the ratios. The plan is a 3 : 3 : 2 : .5 ratio of CalMag : Green : Purple : Pink with 1ml/gal of Fulvic and Orca. Agsil16 for the base. 50ppm Epsom. I'd like to end around 600ppm. I'll give her two weeks to show some improvement, otherwise I'm popping some new beans. I've considered going back to the Jungle Cake x Wedding tree. I had a lot of success and very little problems last round. Maybe I could replicate that grow with an improved yield. It was delicious smoke, no doubt.

 

[Chemistry]

New growth looks healthy.

 

[Chemistry]

I'd up your water enzymes a little looking at the third pic down.

 

[SSgrower]

I am still in Coco, affording the true Hydro system is still out of my reach. For now the simple 3 gal. coco & perlite has me around 3/4 1 lb. a light. I want to master this style before I tackle true hydro like a lot of you guys. Fun learning at 64 at any rate or style. SSgrower Thanks for the tips

 

[Chemistry]

I am still in Coco, affording the true Hydro system is still out of my reach. For now the simple 3 gal. coco & perlite has me around 3/4 1 lb. a light. I want to master this style before I tackle true hydro like a lot of you guys. Fun learning at 64 at any rate or style. SSgrower Thanks for the tips

Plenty of time to learn some thing new.

 

[GrumpAzz]

New growth looks healthy.

That's how this plant has been. New growth looks good, then it fades. Fingers crossed this res change will help deter the fade.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I am still in Coco, affording the true Hydro system is still out of my reach. For now the simple 3 gal. coco & perlite has me around 3/4 1 lb. a light. I want to master this style before I tackle true hydro like a lot of you guys. Fun learning at 64 at any rate or style. SSgrower Thanks for the tips

I don't have an exact number, but I believe my hydro setup costed under 500. Some totes and some pvc with a pump. As you can see from this grow, there's a bit of a learning curve. I've tried a few things and can't seem to reign in the deficiency. My last grow went by so easy that I don't think I learned as much as I had originally thought, and this grow hasn't provided much of a learning opportunity yet. I've been super busy lately, but I don't think that's contributed to my deficiency. I might just be dealing with a very stubborn plant.

 

[Chemistry]

The plants have the ability to put out some nice new growth, so its not the strain, then they seem to hit a wall, got to be some thing they need to carry on putting out new growth, but not getting. I know nothing about your fertilisation so can't comment any further.

 

[GrumpAzz]

The plants have the ability to put out some nice new growth, so its not the strain, then they seem to hit a wall, got to be some thing they need to carry on putting out new growth, but not getting. I know nothing about your fertilisation so can't comment any further.

She's been fed an even 321 ratio of Green, Purple, and Pink. I upped the Calmag after the first couple weeks and then dosed with epsom just a couple weeks ago. This change, I upped the Green and Purple and lowered the pink.

 

[Chemistry]

Do you have pics of Green Purple and Pink, Calmag is the devils work, I use drops rather than ml's. I'd use either the Calmag or the Epsom, but not both together, I never did any good with Epsom, alway's seemed to have a problem, so I binned it and stuck with the Calmag.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Do you have pics of Green Purple and Pink, Calmag is the devils work, I use drops rather than ml's. I'd use either the Calmag or the Epsom, but not both together, I never did any good with Epsom, alway's seemed to have a problem, so I binned it and stuck with the Calmag.

It's the GH flora trio. I added the epsom because I initially diagnosed this as a Magnesium deficiency. She showed similar signs to my last plant and a dose of epsom fixed that one right up. I think I started this grow with 2ml/gal calmag and someone mentioned giving her a little more. I start with 0ppm RO/DI water.
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Here's the mix. I'll let it set and circulate, then adjust the pH this evening. I didn't add any extra epsom this time assuming there was still some in the lower res leftovers.

Also... I went back to how I fed before. That's the only change I've made this round. Last grow, I just filled the top-off res with RO after dropping it into the lower res. This grow, I've been adding nutes to the top-off to match the plant res. I didn't amend the top-off after filling the lowers, this time, and it ended up at 100ppm at 5.8pH. So as she drinks, that's what will be replenished.

 

[Chemistry]

You could try cutting your Calmag by half, and spread those reclaimed ppms back up to 600 through your Micro, Grow, and Bloom, seems a high amount of Calmag compared to your other additives, I would expect your highest dose of nuits to be Grow as your in veg. Been a long time since I grew with GH flora trio, good nuits.

 

[GrumpAzz]

The plant really starting eating after this last nute change and I had to add a bit to the resevoir. She was still looking pretty homely on Teusday so I figured "What the hey" and dosed her up into the 900s. She's still eating but she's still got the fading leaf syndrome. I can't tell what's going on but she's coming up on the end of her two week allotment and hasn't improved.

Unfortunately, this plant is coming down. I'm going to cull her today and give the system a thorough cleaning so I can get started on the next round. I'll likely be popping some beans again this weekend. I'm leaning more towards the Raspberry Parfait x Purple Panty Dropper cross.

Thanks to everyone for your help and I'm sorry I dragged this out and strung you along for an extra couple months. I'm still optimistic and expect the next round to be a step up from this go. Keep your eyes open for my next thread popping up in a week or so.

 

[MDK]

Tombstone piledriver.....r...i....p...

 

[steamroller]

Some plants just have the funk.
I got 17 plants in the room and 1 is acting all unhappy and not growing like the others.
If it was my only plant I might still think something I was doing or not doing was causing it.
Having 16 others doing just fine tells me I have no control over what that other one does. It can't be fixed.
Hope you get a good one this next grow.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Tombstone piledriver.....r...i....p...

From the top rope . . . . .

 

[Observer]

if proper ratios and ppms are kept inline she'll grow out of it perhaps.

 

[Observer]

if proper ratios and ppms are kept inline she'll grow out of it perhaps.

Or does that plant just hate life lol

 

[GrumpAzz]

if proper ratios and ppms are kept inline she'll grow out of it perhaps.

She's had several resets and still won't improve. She's coming down in the morning and I'll be dropping some seeds and flushing the system.

 

[Observer]

She's had several resets and still won't improve. She's coming down in the morning and I'll be dropping some seeds and flushing the system.

Heard

 

[Observer]

No perfectly dialed in yet but close enough.

PPFD is a little high but can't raise em anymore, or turn down and I'll be too low and not adjusting the heighth of panels

 

[Observer]

My humidifier finally shit the bed too, so I'm ordering a new smaller one that will fit in the 2x4 better anyways.

 

[GrumpAzz]

My humidifier finally shit the bed too, so I'm ordering a new smaller one that will fit in the 2x4 better anyways.

I like this one a lot

https://www.amazon.com/LEVOIT-60-Hour-Humidifiers-Ultrasonic-Humidify/dp/B0B5QKY4T1/ref=mp_s_a_1_3_pp?crid=LAEWBRTYS0AB&keywords=humidifier&qid=1703304058&sprefix=humidifier%2Caps%2C154&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc

 

[Observer]

I like this one a lot

https://www.amazon.com/LEVOIT-60-Hour-Humidifiers-Ultrasonic-Humidify/dp/B0B5QKY4T1/ref=mp_s_a_1_3_pp?crid=LAEWBRTYS0AB&keywords=humidifier&qid=1703304058&sprefix=humidifier%2Caps%2C154&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc

i was looking at this one for the 2x4

Amazon.com

smaller, 2L, top fill, for the 2x4, wont take up too much space


we do need one for the living/BR though so ill check it out