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[Aqua Man]

Starting to see more pinning and some caps… hopefully this picks up. I am doing a short simmer to hydrate my grains now and saving the water for liquid culture. So i will sterilize the broth and keep it for when i get some agar to add to help thicken it up a but

 

[tobh]

Martha tent set up again. Building a panel to go in the window so I can run the exhaust directly out the window instead of dumping a ton of humidity into the garage. Should help quite a bit with the tent climate too

 

[Observer]

A sealed jar that I won't fuck with lol.

Starting the "pasteurization" process

This is the video I'm following for this batch

Real attempt #4 or so lol

 

[Observer]

Sweet man still got some, we'll eventually get a flush lol

The ksss definitely seems the fastest/growing strain

Also try cold water extraction, tea

Meant aggressive not growing lol

 

[Observer]

1 whole brown/ 185g
0.67 cup water / 158g

2hours In simmering/boiling water.

Unmodified sab

Torched the syringe tip, wiped shit down with alcohol.

B+ for the red one next

The jar got too full once the rice expanded.
But now I have another little batch.

Red container was sealed and shook with ISO inside and left to dry. The grains the red container arent as hydrated though so we shall see if it's moist enough.

Innoculating that one now.

 

[Observer]

Alright see how this goes

 

[Observer]

If this round doesn't work

I don't give up, lol.

 

[Aqua Man]

So my PE is confirmed a blobbery of caps and white clumps. Apparently this common on the first flush and many say the blobs are more potent and are normal.

The second flush should produce normal fruiting bodies…. Ill get a pic later but the blobs are sure not pretty looking.

Once they soften they are ready to harvest so still a bit of time left for that.

One thing for certain is these are by FAR the slowest fruiters i have grown yet. Most say they are worth the hassle but we shall see. If your OCD these may drive you nuts to grow

 

[tobh]

So my PE is confirmed a blobbery of caps and white clumps. Apparently this common on the first flush and many say the blobs are more potent and are normal.

The second flush should produce normal fruiting bodies…. Ill get a pic later but the blobs are sure not pretty looking.

Once they soften they are ready to harvest so still a bit of time left for that.

One thing for certain is these are by FAR the slowest fruiters i have grown yet. Most say they are worth the hassle but we shall see. If your OCD these may drive you nuts to grow

yeah blobs are normal. that's why a lot of cultivators will start from multispore on agar, and wait for the plate to fruit, then clone the fruiting body. basically they're trying to isolate a "traditional" fruiting culture. apparently APE is even worse.

i have APE plates that are the weirdest, most non-uniform mycelium i've ever seen. and they're sloooooooow.

 

[Aqua Man]

Ao the caps form and then this blob just keeps growing under them and ripping them apart as it grows.

 

[Aqua Man]

Also these need more FAE than im used to. This is obvious as the concentration of pins are close to the FAE holes so i will adjust in future grows for this.

The second tub is started and 3rd batch of grains for the PE is on the go. The mycelium seem to be colonizing much better now. I think i had slighted over moistened the grains the first one.

Also have started 7 jars of GTs.

The second tub is wuite a bit bigger and was an experiment and likely to go worse than the first. But we will see. 4 days since mixing

 

[Aqua Man]

Green tape are the GT started 2 days ago. The other are PE started 6 days ago

 

[Aqua Man]

@MiGrampa hows things progressing brother?

 

[tobh]

fwiw people much smarter than i have continuously stated that PE is more of an experimental cultivar simply because PE in of itself is a mutation so flushes and growth patterns can be unreliable without an isolated culture. Second flush, if you have the facilities, you should consider taking some clones on agar of a few fruit bodies. try to get yourself some of those of crazy uniform flushes

 

[Aqua Man]

fwiw people much smarter than i have continuously stated that PE is more of an experimental cultivar simply because PE in of itself is a mutation so flushes and growth patterns can be unreliable without an isolated culture. Second flush, if you have the facilities, you should consider taking some clones on agar of a few fruit bodies. try to get yourself some of those of crazy uniform flushes

This is an isolate bro… not started from spore. From what I have found is the blobbing is more frequent when starting fruiting to early as i did a little.

Also using a half inch casing and some say even more after the sub is around 70% colonized will greatly reduce or eliminate the blobbing. But seems like consensus that the blobs are more potent than the regular fruiting bodies. I cannot say that from experience though as this is the forst time I’ve grown them

 

[Aqua Man]

Got them here. https://www.sporeslab.io/shop/Penis-Envy-Genetics-p309360408

These have peaked my curiosity now though. An enigma strain called holy grail.

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[tobh]

oh yeah, i forget you canucks have somewhat sensible drug regulations and can get live cultures. down here in the land of the "free" we can only acquire spores for microscopy purposes.

 

[Aqua Man]

oh yeah, i forget you canucks have somewhat sensible drug regulations and can get live cultures. down here in the land of the "free" we can only acquire spores for microscopy purposes.

Wow that sucks bro… i did some pan cyan spores cause its all i could get. I then shipped some over to spores-lab when Jeff was there and had a deal he would give me anything i wanted… the spent a few months making an isolate of it but he is no longer there. But my genetics are.

Not easy to grow at all… yield is small but they are fucking potent.

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[MiGrampa]

oh yeah, i forget you canucks have somewhat sensible drug regulations and can get live cultures. down here in the land of the "free" we can only acquire spores for microscopy purposes.

That's what I thought originally ... but guess what, you CAN get magic mushrooms state-side in liquid culture. I ordered my KSSS as a liquid culture - https://myyco.com/product/ks-10-cc/ . I'll be moving that over to a monotub probably tomorrow after work. I also bought pans cyan liquid culture - https://myyco.com/product/pan-10-cc/

@MiGrampa hows things progressing brother?

So far, good. I was beginning to get impatient but today my waiting was rewarded with this:






Here's the KSSS:



It's beginning to show mycelium.

I also have the pans cyan going now too ...



That wraps it up for today ... lol

 

[Observer]

Also these need more FAE than im used to. This is obvious as the concentration of pins are close to the FAE holes so i will adjust in future grows for this.

The second tub is started and 3rd batch of grains for the PE is on the go. The mycelium seem to be colonizing much better now. I think i had slighted over moistened the grains the first one.

Also have started 7 jars of GTs.

The second tub is wuite a bit bigger and was an experiment and likely to go worse than the first. But we will see. 4 days since mixing

cant pull the polfill out a little or ?

 

[Observer]

land of the "free"

 

[Observer]

Green tape are the GT started 2 days ago. The other are PE started 6 days agoView attachment 13021

fuck yea i gotta get more jars

my dumbass fuckin broke 1

rapid temp change, lol.

 

[Observer]

That's what I thought originally ... but guess what, you CAN get magic mushrooms state-side in liquid culture. I ordered my KSSS as a liquid culture - https://myyco.com/product/ks-10-cc/ . I'll be moving that over to a monotub probably tomorrow after work. I also bought pans cyan liquid culture - https://myyco.com/product/pan-10-cc/



So far, good. I was beginning to get impatient but today my waiting was rewarded with this:

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Here's the KSSS:

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It's beginning to show mycelium.

I also have the pans cyan going now too ...

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That wraps it up for today ... lol

hell yea MiG

im behind but looking better now, its 82f in my APT hope the spores are ok.

otherwise lookin better than whateverthefuck i was doing before

 

[Aqua Man]

That's what I thought originally ... but guess what, you CAN get magic mushrooms state-side in liquid culture. I ordered my KSSS as a liquid culture - https://myyco.com/product/ks-10-cc/ . I'll be moving that over to a monotub probably tomorrow after work. I also bought pans cyan liquid culture - https://myyco.com/product/pan-10-cc/



So far, good. I was beginning to get impatient but today my waiting was rewarded with this:

View attachment 13034

View attachment 13035


Here's the KSSS:

View attachment 13036View attachment 13037

It's beginning to show mycelium.

I also have the pans cyan going now too ...

View attachment 13038

That wraps it up for today ... lol

Man you honestly rocking that sub… you can see its nice and even and the moisture level has been maintained very well… your going to have a nice even pinset.

 

[MiGrampa]

hell yea MiG

im behind but looking better now, its 82f in my APT hope the spores are ok.

otherwise lookin better than whateverthefuck i was doing before

Mine is set up in my basement. Temperature is consistently about 75F this time of the year. I'm hoping I can get through all the mushroom experiments before fall. I'll be needing my tents back once I start my fall/winter indoor runs. Hopefully by then I have a jar or more

BTW for whatever reason unknown to us, my wife swears that the mushrooms help relieve her fibromyalgia pain.

 

[Aqua Man]

cant pull the polfill out a little or ?

I can but id rather leave it and just fan it a few times a day

 

[Aqua Man]

Mine is set up in my basement. Temperature is consistently about 75F this time of the year. I'm hoping I can get through all the mushroom experiments before fall. I'll be needing my tents back once I start my fall/winter indoor runs. Hopefully by then I have a jar or more

BTW for whatever reason unknown to us, my wife swears that the mushrooms help relieve her fibromyalgia pain.

They help my eyesight… how weird is that. Im sure many things are yet to be learned for treatment of various conditions

 

[Observer]

They help my eyesight… how weird is that. Im sure many things are yet to be learned for treatment of various conditions

Probably the way it reorganizes the brain structure and connects/creates new path ways

So the neurons that are in association with you're eyes have a new path .

(?)

 

[tobh]

y'all making me want to go buy some wood and get the flowhood finished so i can get back to work. have a handful of pan cyans i wanna get going. really curious if they're so much better like people claim in terms of the stomach issues that psilocybes tend to cause.

 

[MiGrampa]

y'all making me want to go buy some wood and get the flowhood finished so i can get back to work. have a handful of pan cyans i wanna get going. really curious if they're so much better like people claim in terms of the stomach issues that psilocybes tend to cause.

Same here friend ... The more cubes I eat, the worse the tummy is. Fortunately, its been manageable so far and I haven't tossed my cookies yet. Regardless, I'd rather do without the nausea if I can.

 

[Aqua Man]

y'all making me want to go buy some wood and get the flowhood finished so i can get back to work. have a handful of pan cyans i wanna get going. really curious if they're so much better like people claim in terms of the stomach issues that psilocybes tend to cause.

I think its more the fact you have to ingest a lot less. I can see PE being rough on the stomach

 

[Aqua Man]

Same here friend ... The more cubes I eat, the worse the tummy is. Fortunately, its been manageable so far and I haven't tossed my cookies yet. Regardless, I'd rather do without the nausea if I can.

Are you doing the coco/verm sub i forgot.

Also try that lemon tek many say it helps

 

[Aqua Man]

Maybe even try blue juice… then you have no fibrous tissue thats hard on the stomach

 

[Aqua Man]

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[MiGrampa]

Are you doing the coco/verm sub i forgot.

Also try that lemon tek many say it helps

I bought the substrate that is currently in use. I did that before saw the recipe you posted.

I made a coco/vermiculite 50/50 ratio to use as a casing for the pans cyans once I get to that stage. I added 1 twist to it though. 2 tablespoons of Mrs Wage's Pickling Lime per batch - It's supposed to raise the pH enough to make it harder to contaminate. Since the casing is similar to the substrate recipe, I will probably make my own in the future.

We have a 9qt insta-pot that I can use for sterilization. It can also pressure can up to 6 qt jars.

I bought a magic mushroom cookbook. There are many things (including blue juice) that I want to try. Lemon Tek was good. It came on faster for sure. Dosing was about 2.5 grams for me and 1.5 grams for my wife.

 

[Aqua Man]

I bought the substrate that is currently in use. I did that before saw the recipe you posted.

I made a coco/vermiculite 50/50 ratio to use as a casing for the pans cyans once I get to that stage. I added 1 twist to it though. 2 tablespoons of Mrs Wage's Pickling Lime per batch - It's supposed to raise the pH enough to make it harder to contaminate. Since the casing is similar to the substrate recipe, I will probably make my own in the future.

We have a 9qt insta-pot that I can use for sterilization. It can also pressure can up to 6 qt jars.

I bought a magic mushroom cookbook. There are many things (including blue juice) that I want to try. Lemon Tek was good. It came on faster for sure. Dosing was about 2.5 grams for me and 1.5 grams for my wife.

Yeah you need the lime and some also add gypsum…. Bacteria don’t like a high PH

 

[MiGrampa]

Yeah you need the lime and some also add gypsum…. Bacteria don’t like a high PH

I have gypsum. It's pellets though. I would prefer it to be a powder for that use. I can grind some up in my mortar and pestle I suppose.

About how much?

 

[tobh]

somewhere deep on a shroomery binge one night i came across discussions about different alkaloids being responsible for the nausea. psilocin and psilocybin themselves aren't the culprit, so it has to be something else that's in the fruit bodies. without knowing what that something else is, though, it's rather difficult to isolate away from it in any kind of extraction.

similar to poppies and mescaline-containing cacti, except in those cases the alkaloids one aims to extract are much easier to isolate without picking up unwanted alkaloids vs mushrooms where we're dealing with very small amounts of the active compounds we desire and an unknown quantity of compounds we don't.

the nausea thing is not unique to psilocybes, though. technically any edible mushroom should be cooked before ingestion. shitakes, portabellos, oysters, lions mane, etc all contain compounds that can cause stomach issues to varying degrees, and those compounds are all volatile at the levels of heat we typically cook at. wouldn't surprise me if psilocybes are the same.

to add to this theory, wood loving actives are known to cause wood lover's paralysis, and some unofficial crowdsource research has indicated taking benadryl (diphenhydramine) can counteract or entirely reverse the paralysis. going on that path indicates that it's likely a histamine that is causing the nausea, and in wood lover's case, paralysis, and a simple antihistamine is all that's needed to alleviate those symptoms.

 

[Aqua Man]

somewhere deep on a shroomery binge one night i came across discussions about different alkaloids being responsible for the nausea. psilocin and psilocybin themselves aren't the culprit, so it has to be something else that's in the fruit bodies. without knowing what that something else is, though, it's rather difficult to isolate away from it in any kind of extraction.

similar to poppies and mescaline-containing cacti, except in those cases the alkaloids one aims to extract are much easier to isolate without picking up unwanted alkaloids vs mushrooms where we're dealing with very small amounts of the active compounds we desire and an unknown quantity of compounds we don't.

the nausea thing is not unique to psilocybes, though. technically any edible mushroom should be cooked before ingestion. shitakes, portabellos, oysters, lions mane, etc all contain compounds that can cause stomach issues to varying degrees, and those compounds are all volatile at the levels of heat we typically cook at. wouldn't surprise me if psilocybes are the same.

to add to this theory, wood loving actives are known to cause wood lover's paralysis, and some unofficial crowdsource research has indicated taking benadryl (diphenhydramine) can counteract or entirely reverse the paralysis. going on that path indicates that it's likely a histamine that is causing the nausea, and in wood lover's case, paralysis, and a simple antihistamine is all that's needed to alleviate those symptoms.

I believe its the chitin that’s responsible for moat of it.

 

[Aqua Man]

I have gypsum. It's pellets though. I would prefer it to be a powder for that use. I can grind some up in my mortar and pestle I suppose.

About how much?

Depends on the volume but i used to even add to my grain soak but not anymore. I used about 1/2 tsp per qt.