All things shrooms

[Observer]

I believe they only eat organic matter. But i could be wrong. My understanding is you can’t just feed them synthetic nutrients

This would explain why mushroom compost is so popular for plant. If they ate up synthetic or ionic form they would take up all the nutrients that plant do and it wouldn’t be compost. I believe they break down organic matter and inturn supply ionic nutrients to the soil

what if that was in that scenario?

but, one of the things they CAN/COULD do if thats what the environment is calling for?

if its in another env and theres nothing around but its self and no symbiotic relationships have formed, it ll then uptake the ionic nutes its self?

 

[Aqua Man]

what if that was in that scenario?

but, one of the things they CAN/COULD do if thats what the environment is calling for?

if its in another env and theres nothing around but its self and no symbiotic relationships have formed, it ll then uptake the ionic nutes its self?

what if that was in that scenario?

but, one of the things they CAN/COULD do if thats what the environment is calling for?

if its in another env and theres nothing around but its self and no symbiotic relationships have formed, it ll then uptake the ionic nutes its self?

Once the food is gone they stop growing or we could just keep feeding them and not toss them after a few flushes. You will see what i mean when I say they actually eat the media

 

[MysticEpipedon]

All this talk makes me think I'll grow some 'shrooms sometime soon.

In my misspent youth, I was deeply into acid. In the early 80s, I finally tried 'shrooms. So much smoother!

I used to do them for both the high and the philosophizing/deep insights into myself and the world. Now my main interest is the philosophizing/deep insights. Toward the end of my 'shrooming, I starting thinking it was sacrilege to use them just to get high.

I used to do incredibly stupid things, like get behind the wheel under the influence of them. I've literally driven hundreds of miles that way, including a trip to and through Death Valley. The notion of getting behind the wheel went like this:

1. No way! I can't drive!!!
2. No, no, it's insane!!
3. [Gets behind wheel, becomes one with the car.]
4. OK. Where to?

Don't try this at home.

 

[2Bad]

All this talk makes me think I'll grow some 'shrooms sometime soon.

In my misspent youth, I was deeply into acid. In the early 80s, I finally tried 'shrooms. So much smoother!

I used to do them for both the high and the philosophizing/deep insights into myself and the world. Now my main interest is the philosophizing/deep insights. Toward the end of my 'shrooming, I starting thinking it was sacrilege to use them just to get high.

I used to do incredibly stupid things, like get behind the wheel under the influence of them. I've literally driven hundreds of miles that way, including a trip to and through Death Valley. The notion of getting behind the wheel went like this:

1. No way! I can't drive!!!
2. No, no, it's insane!!
3. [Gets behind wheel, becomes one with the car.]
4. OK. Where to?

Don't try this at home.

Happens to the best of us

 

[moe.red]

You know, I would not be opposed to making lots of spawn bags and dropping them in the mail. Once I get my feet under me with all my other crap I got going.

Getting clean well developed spawn is 90% of the battle IMO. Once the spawn goes into the tub or whatever, it does not need to be strictly sterile any more.

 

[tobh]

You know, I would not be opposed to making lots of spawn bags and dropping them in the mail. Once I get my feet under me with all my other crap I got going.

Getting clean well developed spawn is 90% of the battle IMO. Once the spawn goes into the tub or whatever, it does not need to be strictly sterile any more.

100%

somewhat related, for anyone interested in building a laminar flow hood, you can also use that same clean air for tissue culturing. requires all the same aseptic techniques, but instead of shrooms you're doing it with tiny pieces of plant material.

 

[GoodShit97]

You know, I would not be opposed to making lots of spawn bags and dropping them in the mail. Once I get my feet under me with all my other crap I got going.

Getting clean well developed spawn is 90% of the battle IMO. Once the spawn goes into the tub or whatever, it does not need to be strictly sterile any more.

Daaaamn dude. I would jump on that in a heartbeat, i also dont expect that to be free so just lmk man, very generous of ya.

 

[moe.red]

Daaaamn dude. I would jump on that in a heartbeat, i also dont expect that to be free so just lmk man, very generous of ya.

I think my best strain is Nepal. I like to start it in Dextrose / water and then pour that on rye berries. Add that to some nice cow shit, and you got something!

Within a couple months I'll put some together. I'll let you know.

 

[GoodShit97]

I think my best strain is Nepal. I like to start it in Dextrose / water and then pour that on rye berries. Add that to some nice cow shit, and you got something!

Within a couple months I'll put some together. I'll let you know.

I can get "nice" cow shit any day of the week lol.
I quoted nice because idk anyone who actually thinks shit is nice lmao.

 

[Aqua Man]

I used horse manure… i forget the difference exactly but i think the potassium or lower N concentration. Been a bit aince i have done them

 

[tobh]

I used horse manure… i forget the difference exactly but i think the potassium or lower N concentration. Been a bit aince i have done them

lower N content, especially in regards to the ammonia variety. it's not as hot as cow shit over all. i too prefer horse shit, but will use cow shit in a pinch.

 

[GoodShit97]

I used horse manure… i forget the difference exactly but i think the potassium or lower N concentration. Been a bit aince i have done them

All i know about horse shit and cow shit is, horse shit grows more weeds than cow shit cause cows have 4 parts to their stomach for digestion

 

[moe.red]

OKOK - nice HORSE shit. FIFY

 

[Observer]

You know, I would not be opposed to making lots of spawn bags and dropping them in the mail. Once I get my feet under me with all my other crap I got going.

Getting clean well developed spawn is 90% of the battle IMO. Once the spawn goes into the tub or whatever, it does not need to be strictly sterile any more.

That's what I'm gathering, seen someone barehanded spawn no contam

I think my best strain is Nepal. I like to start it in Dextrose / water and then pour that on rye berries. Add that to some nice cow shit, and you got something!

Within a couple months I'll put some together. I'll let you know.

Sweet

 

[moe.red]

That's what I'm gathering, seen someone barehanded spawn no contam

Once the spawn is fully colonized, it can out-compete other (mostly bacterial) organisms. But if you are not sterile before the spawn can gain a foothold, mold and bacteria can out-compete and ruin your spawn.

I take a full bag of spawn and dump it into a mixture of foods that I have pasteurized. So like HORSE shit and brown rice flour and other stuff depending on the mushies.

If the spawn is happy, and you put it into a nearly sterile media, you do not have to be overly concerned with contamination. You need good air exchange at this point anyhow because CO2 is the byproduct, and it will just hang out in your tub being heavier than air. That will cause new fruit not to pin. So unless you have a ton of equipment, the fruiting stage is not going to be sterile.

This is what I use for pasteurization of mass substrate

85 Gallon Mushroom Substrate Steamer | Bubba's Barrels

Based on a design by Myers Mushrooms, our substrate steamer is the easiest, most cost-effective solution on the market. Not intended for use with grain spawn. A typical cycle will take 14-24 hours. Time is dependent on ambient temperature, substrate temperature, and heater wattage. The 85...

www.bubbasbarrels.com

But for spawn, I use an autoclave under pressure to be 100% sure it is sterile. The pasteurizer is at atmospheric so I don't have an 85 gallon bomb in my garage.

 

[tobh]

The pasteurizer is at atmospheric so I don't have an 85 gallon bomb in my garage.

if you could go back in time, would you consider building a steamer?

been working on some designs for a couple because both myself and my buddy are sick of using huge stock pots to pasteurize straw lol it's way too labor and time intensive for the volumes we're needing to push.

 

[moe.red]

if you could go back in time, would you consider building a steamer?

been working on some designs for a couple because both myself and my buddy are sick of using huge stock pots to pasteurize straw lol it's way too labor and time intensive for the volumes we're needing to push.

you mean building vs buying?

I looked into it and I could not do it as well for the same money as bubbas. And there was that little thing in the back of my mind that 1 engineering error and I have a big problem in my living quarters. Risk vs reward - win bubba.

 

[tobh]

you mean building vs buying?

I looked into it and I could not do it as well for the same money as bubbas. And there was that little thing in the back of my mind that 1 engineering error and I have a big problem in my living quarters. Risk vs reward - win bubba.

completely understand. steam under pressure can become catastrophic very quickly.

 

[moe.red]

Had to get this stuff out of my garage for reasons so it’s sitting in my warehouse now waiting to be put back to use.

I just have too many friggin projects

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[Observer]

Once the spawn is fully colonized, it can out-compete other (mostly bacterial) organisms. But if you are not sterile before the spawn can gain a foothold, mold and bacteria can out-compete and ruin your spawn.

I take a full bag of spawn and dump it into a mixture of foods that I have pasteurized. So like HORSE shit and brown rice flour and other stuff depending on the mushies.

If the spawn is happy, and you put it into a nearly sterile media, you do not have to be overly concerned with contamination. You need good air exchange at this point anyhow because CO2 is the byproduct, and it will just hang out in your tub being heavier than air. That will cause new fruit not to pin. So unless you have a ton of equipment, the fruiting stage is not going to be sterile.

This is what I use for pasteurization of mass substrate

85 Gallon Mushroom Substrate Steamer | Bubba's Barrels

Based on a design by Myers Mushrooms, our substrate steamer is the easiest, most cost-effective solution on the market. Not intended for use with grain spawn. A typical cycle will take 14-24 hours. Time is dependent on ambient temperature, substrate temperature, and heater wattage. The 85...

www.bubbasbarrels.com

But for spawn, I use an autoclave under pressure to be 100% sure it is sterile. The pasteurizer is at atmospheric so I don't have an 85 gallon bomb in my garage.

i was thinking i could inoculate uncle bens brown rice bag since already sterile, once fully colonized - figure i could mix vermiculite and a nutirent solution and mix my spawn in, place in a tote flip a lid upside down, keep moist and let it fruit - if possible

 

[moe.red]

i was thinking i could inoculate uncle bens brown rice bag since already sterile, once fully colonized - figure i could mix vermiculite and a nutirent solution and mix my spawn in, place in a tote flip a lid upside down, keep moist and let it flower.

You missed one step. That rice needs to be wet to field capacity.

 

[Observer]

You missed one step. That rice needs to be wet to field capacity.

well, i dont know about field capacity but its wet/moist, every video just shows people wiping the bag down 70iso and inserting the syringe/spores.

 

[moe.red]

it is

got a link? I must be thinking of something different

 

[Observer]

got a link? I must be thinking of something different

sorry i edited my response.

Uncle Ben’s Rice Tek: Low-Budget Shroom Cultivation

In this article, we explore how to carry out the

www.zamnesia.com

 

[Observer]

got a link? I must be thinking of something different

little sealed uncle bens brown rice 90 second microwave pouches.

the rice is precooked and sealed

 

[Kopper1013]

You know, I would not be opposed to making lots of spawn bags and dropping them in the mail. Once I get my feet under me with all my other crap I got going.

Getting clean well developed spawn is 90% of the battle IMO. Once the spawn goes into the tub or whatever, it does not need to be strictly sterile any more.

That’s really an awesome proposition

 

[moe.red]

sorry i edited my response.

Uncle Ben’s Rice Tek: Low-Budget Shroom Cultivation

In this article, we explore how to carry out the

www.zamnesia.com

I got it, those are ready to eat. I thought we were talking about a bag of dry rice.

Carry on.

 

[Observer]

I got it, those are ready to eat. I thought we were talking about a bag of dry rice.

Carry on.

everything else sounded ok?

i want to try ionic solution. and see if theyll feed off of it mixed with vermiculite

everything im reading says its possible, or should be able to.

i can not find nutrient ratio requirements for the life of me for fruiting fungi bodies

WHERE ARE THE NUMBERS

 

[Observer]

they need a carbohydrate source, so im going to use sucrose, table sugar - mixed with vermiculite and solution ?

im attempting to spawn some mycelium, did last year with oatmeal, simple, put a little tote with some verm and mycos and misting with a minute amount of nutrients.

play around with it, see if i can keep feeding it with ionic solution

 

[moe.red]

everything else sounded ok?

i want to try ionic solution. and see if theyll feed off of it

everything im reading says its possible, or should be able to.

I would follow the instructions for the tek, I have never done this before.

I have used rice, but I boil it until it is soft, then bag it and sterilize in the autoclave. I'm going to assume uncle ben's uses a similar process.

 

[moe.red]

they need a carbohydrate source, so im going to use sucrose, table sugar - mixed with vermiculite and solution ?

different mushies prefer different things.

The vast majority of what I use is Dextrose - from potatoes.

 

[Observer]

I would follow the instructions for the tek, I have never done this before.

I have used rice, but I boil it until it is soft, then bag it and sterilize in the autoclave. I'm going to assume uncle ben's uses a similar process.

im just broke, trying to avoid buying anything and use what i have on hand.

 

[Observer]

different mushies prefer different things.

The vast majority of what I use is Dextrose - from potatoes.

yea that would be my other issue

i cant seem to find specific "strains?" and what they like.

 

[moe.red]

 

[Observer]

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professional, one day ill get there, lol.

 

[Observer]

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do you use RO water?

 

[moe.red]

professional, one day ill get there, lol.

this didn't happen overnight dude.

Stick with the rice tek and get the first batch out of the way, then everything will make more sense and you can decide where to spend your time and money more effectively.

I got all this stuff because I was growing hundreds of pounds of mushrooms for restaurants. Then covid hit and took all the fun out of it. I quit that and the microgreens and never started back up. So I still have all the crap.

 

[moe.red]

do you use RO water?

No, but that whole jar goes in the autoclave with dextrose and all.

 

[Aqua Man]

got a link? I must be thinking of something different

Its the microwave stuff should be fine but i dont think you wanna do just vermiculite… id suggest verm/coco and if you have some manure added

 

[tobh]

this didn't happen overnight dude.

Stick with the rice tek and get the first batch out of the way, then everything will make more sense and you can decide where to spend your time and money more effectively.

I got all this stuff because I was growing hundreds of pounds of mushrooms for restaurants. Then covid hit and took all the fun out of it. I quit that and the microgreens and never started back up. So I still have all the crap.

shit, if you want to offload your microgreen gear, let me know. that's a secondary venture i'm looking to spin up alongside the mushrooms