Grump's Power Plant Grow.

[moe.red]

In terms of high and low VPD yes you can run outside the ideal ranges but you also need to compensate for that. A low VPD needs a higher concentration of nutrients and vice versa under the same light conditions.

While you may not physically SEE the impacts of doing this or severe physical problems. There is more than enough scientific evidence that the plants will not only be healthier but also grow faster under ideal conditions of VPD…. Especially under circumstances when increased co2 in the atmosphere or o2 in the rootzone are used. Thats because those benefits are increased on a % of the base growth rates.

Co2 for instance shows increased resistance to to heat and water stress. But that does not mean that the plant will grow as healthy or fast in those conditions as they would in ideal conditions

Said a different way, for the plant to be the best version of itself, all parameters including VPD must be in the green zone.

It's OK if you can't maintain that, the plant won't fall over and die. But if you can, results will be better.

 

[Aqua Man]

Said a different way, for the plant to be the best version of itself, all parameters including VPD must be in the green zone.

It's OK if you can't maintain that, the plant won't fall over and die. But if you can, results will be better.

100% brother…. In the real world most do not have the ability to adjust all parameters so instead we have to adjust in other areas to compensate for the ones we cant to make it the most ideal we can.

Thats why there is so much confusion as to what is the best parameters and we hear different views from different growers. Because no 2 grow rooms are identical and even the amount of air movement in a room can change ideal for several other parameters.

 

[Observer]

thanks yall

appreciate the Analysis

 

[GrumpAzz]

Mostly it was a light problem imo. But the nutrients also needed adjusting. The upper leaves being affected most.

By that i mean the upper leaves at the time it occurred

I'm with ya here. I went with SF's recommended height and it didn't work out. I'll more than likely keep the light where it sits now and let the plant grow into it. I'll start bumping up the intensity when I'm positive that we're out of the rough and back on the fairway.

You guys are great. My plant will recover.

 

[Oldsog]

Hey folks. The first seed from this round showed up this morning so I figured it's time to get a new journal going. This grow will be Power Plant by Dutch Passion, the original breeders of the strain. It's supposed to be a heavy yielder so, with my 3x3 SCROG screen, hopefully I'll wind up with a plentiful bounty after harvesting what will be my second grow ever. Let's kick this off.

Equipment:
SpiderFarmer 5x5 tent
SpiderFarmer SE5000 LED with controller
AC Infinity Controller 69 pro
6" AC Infinity Exhaust fan and Cabon Filter
6" AC Infinity inline fan for intake
2x AC Infinity UIS plugs for heater/humidifier.
14 gallon totes for plant and control resevoirs
30 gallon tote for top-off resevoir
2x BlueLab gaurdian monitors

Nutrients:
General Hydroponics Flora Trio and CalMag
Plant Success Orca Liquid Mycorrhizae
Mr Fulvic's Fulvic Acid

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Dropped a couple beans into some Gro Plugs Thursday evening and the first of the two made it's breakthrough sometime last night. I've got them in AC Infinity's Germination Kit with heatmat and Lights included. Once my current harvest is dried and out of the tent, I'll move in the better of two.
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Thanks for tuning in to my second grow EVER. Feel free to post your questions and comments. Despite my name, I'm not really all that grumpy.

& y'all

Old or new seeds?

Hey folks. The first seed from this round showed up this morning so I figured it's time to get a new journal going. This grow will be Power Plant by Dutch Passion, the original breeders of the strain. It's supposed to be a heavy yielder so, with my 3x3 SCROG screen, hopefully I'll wind up with a plentiful bounty after harvesting what will be my second grow ever. Let's kick this off.

Equipment:
SpiderFarmer 5x5 tent
SpiderFarmer SE5000 LED with controller
AC Infinity Controller 69 pro
6" AC Infinity Exhaust fan and Cabon Filter
6" AC Infinity inline fan for intake
2x AC Infinity UIS plugs for heater/humidifier.
14 gallon totes for plant and control resevoirs
30 gallon tote for top-off resevoir
2x BlueLab gaurdian monitors

Nutrients:
General Hydroponics Flora Trio and CalMag
Plant Success Orca Liquid Mycorrhizae
Mr Fulvic's Fulvic Acid

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Dropped a couple beans into some Gro Plugs Thursday evening and the first of the two made it's breakthrough sometime last night. I've got them in AC Infinity's Germination Kit with heatmat and Lights included. Once my current harvest is dried and out of the tent, I'll move in the better of two.
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Thanks for tuning in to my second grow EVER. Feel free to post your questions and comments. Despite my name, I'm not really all that grumpy.

& y'all

Old or new seed stock? I grew these a few years ago. Seeds were from 2010. The old stock is better in my opinion

 

[GrumpAzz]

Old or new seeds?

Old or new seed stock? I grew these a few years ago. Seeds were from 2010. The old stock is better in my opinion

I'm not positive as they were freebies. I had them for a few months before I tried popping them and only one sprouted.

 

[Aqua Man]

Hows she looking now brother?

 

[GrumpAzz]

Hows she looking now brother?

I peeked in this morning and the newest set looks pretty darn good. Might still be a little low on N but it's a lot better green than before.

Growth has resumed also. It's throwing up the sixth set of leaves now. Might be able to top it in a day or so.

Thanks for checking in. I've been really busy with the toddler and the new job lately.

 

[Aqua Man]

I peeked in this morning and the newest set looks pretty darn good. Might still be a little low on N but it's a lot better green than before.

Growth has resumed also. It's throwing up the sixth set of leaves now. Might be able to top it in a day or so.

Thanks for checking in. I've been really busy with the toddler and the new job lately.

Good stuff brother

 

[GrumpAzz]

Hows she looking now brother?

New growth is coming in a lot quicker and the browning seems to have halted. That's the 6th node showing up. I'll top the 7th.

 

[Aqua Man]

New growth is coming in a lot quicker and the browning seems to have halted. That's the 6th node showing up. I'll top the 7th.
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Much better bro…. 1 more week and nobody would know anything happened

 

[moe.red]

Much better bro…. 1 more week and nobody would know anything happened

I agree. And you are better off to have had the trouble and corrected it than to have a perfect grow. Experience is really valuable. This will not effect the harvest.

 

[GrumpAzz]

This poor plant has had a rough start but she's starting to grow out of it. Stressed from the get-go, a new job coupled with a toddler hitting that particular stage have left me with very little time to tend to her particular needs. I'm lucky to fill the humidifier every day let alone stay on top of my recent pH plunges. We're headed to bed early tonight so I was able to snag some pics.

 

[Observer]

This poor plant has had a rough start but she's starting to grow out of it. Stressed from the get-go, a new job coupled with a toddler hitting that particular stage have left me with very little time to tend to her particular needs. I'm lucky to fill the humidifier every day let alone stay on top of my recent pH plunges. We're headed to bed early tonight so I was able to snag some pics.
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Once you get comfortable/in a routine/more familiar, that hydro should make it easier and give you more time for other shit, it'll just need weekly maintenance instead of daily.



I'm trying to get there, I'm done with this daily maintenance for shit about, want to allocate time elsewhere, less on the tedious manual mind-numbing work.

 

[GoodShit97]

This poor plant has had a rough start but she's starting to grow out of it. Stressed from the get-go, a new job coupled with a toddler hitting that particular stage have left me with very little time to tend to her particular needs. I'm lucky to fill the humidifier every day let alone stay on top of my recent pH plunges. We're headed to bed early tonight so I was able to snag some pics.
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Just wait until said toddler is old enough to start getting into things and puts stuff in your res

Still dont know what my kid poured into my cloner a few months back but what a nightmare

 

[Observer]

Just wait until said toddler is old enough to start getting into things and puts stuff in your res

Still dont know what my kid poured into my cloner a few months back but what a nightmare

Ah fuck

 

[smoke]

This poor plant has had a rough start but she's starting to grow out of it. Stressed from the get-go, a new job coupled with a toddler hitting that particular stage have left me with very little time to tend to her particular needs. I'm lucky to fill the humidifier every day let alone stay on top of my recent pH plunges. We're headed to bed early tonight so I was able to snag some pics.
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I've missed your thread.
Imo she's hungry, still hungry
Get rid of those spent leaves
Change the nutrients out, add 300 ppm/500 scale of green brown pink at 3-2-1 ratios.

If she was mine

Edit: calmag to 180 ppm first

 

[GrumpAzz]

I've missed your thread.
Imo she's hungry, still hungry
Get rid of those spent leaves
Change the nutrients out, add 300 ppm/500 scale of green brown pink at 3-2-1 ratios.

If she was mine

Edit: calmag to 180 ppm first
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I'm gonna top that last set of leaves coming in and plan on removing all the brown leaves then.

A nute change is out of the question right now, though. I'm sure she'd appreciate it, but I gotta find the time first. This indefinite schedule of 7 12's has been hard on all of us, plant included. Add a wild toddler to the mix and I'm tired boss. I gotta watch her as soon as I'm home because mom has had enough by then. Hopefully I'll catch a break in a week or so.

I gave her an extra dose of Calmag a few days ago. She was at 320 3/2/1 and the extra Calmag brought us up to 420.

 

[Observer]

I'm gonna top that last set of leaves coming in and plan on removing all the brown leaves then.

A nute change is out of the question right now, though. I'm sure she'd appreciate it, but I gotta find the time first. This indefinite schedule of 7 12's has been hard on all of us, plant included. Add a wild toddler to the mix and I'm tired boss. I gotta watch her as soon as I'm home because mom has had enough by then. Hopefully I'll catch a break in a week or so.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Once you get comfortable/in a routine/more familiar, that hydro should make it easier and give you more time for other shit, it'll just need weekly maintenance instead of daily.

I'm trying to get there, I'm done with this daily maintenance for shit about, want to allocate time elsewhere, less on the tedious manual mind-numbing work.

Yeah I agree. My last run was a breeze but the baby didn't require this much attention and I had weekends off. Today will be my 8th workday in a row, 3rd 12 hr shift. She's got food so I've been doing my best to just keep the pH under control. She needs a res change, just gotta find the time.

Just wait until said toddler is old enough to start getting into things and puts stuff in your res

Still dont know what my kid poured into my cloner a few months back but what a nightmare

There's a keyed lock on my back room for that reason. I planned ahead for the youngster

 

[Observer]

but the baby didn't require this much attention

"what baby?"

and I had weekends off. Today will be my 8th workday in a row, 3rd 12 hr shift. She's got food so I've been doing my best to just keep the pH under control. She needs a res change, just gotta find the time.


There's a keyed lock on my back room for that reason. I planned ahead for the youngster

im walking short term memory loss


on my 3rd or 4th?, hell 5th? watering of the night now, lmao

lol

 

[smoke]

I'm gonna top that last set of leaves coming in and plan on removing all the brown leaves then.

A nute change is out of the question right now, though. I'm sure she'd appreciate it, but I gotta find the time first. This indefinite schedule of 7 12's has been hard on all of us, plant included. Add a wild toddler to the mix and I'm tired boss. I gotta watch her as soon as I'm home because mom has had enough by then. Hopefully I'll catch a break in a week or so.

I gave her an extra dose of Calmag a few days ago. She was at 320 3/2/1 and the extra Calmag brought us up to 420.

If she was mine i would hold off on topping until she recovered some

 

[GrumpAzz]

"what baby?"

im walking short term memory loss

on my 3rd or 4th?, hell 5th? watering of the night now, lmao

lol

Haha yeah. I'm glad I went the hydro route. No way could I manually water with your high frequency regimen. I would've given up by now.

Res change will take an hour+ and right now sleep is more important. Gotta be sharp and on my toes at work.

 

[Observer]

Haha yeah. I'm glad I went the hydro route. No way could I manually water with your high frequency regimen. I would've given up by now.

definitely, gotta get the auto-fertigation set up next run, so i can just chill for a bit, till i feel like doing it again by hand.

Res change will take an hour+ and right now sleep is more important. Gotta be sharp and on my toes at work.

agree, get some good sleep man.

 

[smoke]

Haha yeah. I'm glad I went the hydro route. No way could I manually water with your high frequency regimen. I would've given up by now.

Res change will take an hour+ and right now sleep is more important. Gotta be sharp and on my toes at work.

On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 is good, howare you liking the new job?

 

[GrumpAzz]

On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 is good, howare you liking the new job?

Man I'd give it at least a 9. It's like an old submarine in there with all the pipes and valves and leaks and steam. It's all really cool.

I wasn't ready for shift work just yet. We hadn't anticipated getting called on this winter so I was looking forward to learning as much as I could before we kicked the plant on. It's a trial by fire right now, learning as I go. The pay is good and the guys are pleasant enough to work with.

 

[Observer]

Man I'd give it at least a 9. It's like an old submarine in there with all the pipes and valves and leaks and steam. It's all really cool.

I wasn't ready for shift work just yet. We hadn't anticipated getting called on this winter. It's a trial by fire right now, learning as I go.

pay is good

guys are pleasant enough to work with.

thats mostly all that matters, IMO, at a place of employment.

 

[GrumpAzz]

thats all that matters, IMO, on a "job" site

Agreed man. I worked a shit job for 12 years because of the crew we had. I tried a couple different electrical outfits and I just never fit in. I brought one of my old coworkers to this new job so that's another plus. Got a homie on the crew.

 

[Observer]

Agreed man. I worked a shit job for 12 years because of the crew we had. I tried a couple different electrical outfits and I just never fit in. I brought one of my old coworkers to this new job so that's another plus. Got a homie on the crew.

hell yea.

not the by-yourself-new-guy, trying to adjust into a new environment with new/unknown peeps

 

[steamroller]

I have worked with my buddy for over 20 years at 3 different companies. We worked for ourselves for over 10 years.
We both get that time to go feeling at the same time and end up at the same new place.
Work is work, but who you work with is more important IMO.
I can't spend 8 hours a day around a bunch of assholes and not play the part back for their pleasure.

 

[SSgrower]

I've been an entrepreneur most of my life, owned several small independent companies. I Just hope this latest venture, Coastal Custom Canna so to speak doesn't come back to bite me in the ass. It's still Outlaw & always will be. I enjoy your grow, carry on. SSgrower

 

[SSgrower]

Veg tent today. SS grower

 

[GrumpAzz]

11/5 Update:
I took off the lower death a couple days ago and today I made up a new batch of nutes and did a full resevoir change. It's been nice finally getting a weekend off.

In the water per gallon:
.75g of Agsil16
2ml - pH Down
3ml - CaliMagic
1ml - Purple
1.5ml - Green
.5ml - Pink
1.5ml - Orca
1ml - Mr. Fulvic

I'll let it sit and circulate throughout the day and I'll readjust pH this evening.

 

[smoke]

11/5 Update:
I took off the lower death a couple days ago and today I made up a new batch of nutes and did a full resevoir change. It's been nice finally getting a weekend off.

In the water per gallon:
.75g of Agsil16
2ml - pH UP
3ml - CaliMagic
2ml - Purple
3ml - Green
1.5ml - Orca
1ml - Mr. Fulvic

I'll let it sit and circulate throughout the day and I'll readjust pH this evening.

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Are you seeing a possible magnesium deficiency also?

Edit; are both the probes from your blue labs in the same water?

 

[GrumpAzz]

Are you seeing a possible magnesium deficiency also?

I questioned throwing in some epsom salts this round...
I used a lot of it last round and threw a bit in before this res change but didn't add any today.

Edit; are both the probes from your blue labs in the same water?

No. One of the meters reads the top-off resevoir and the other reads the plant resevoirs. I added a gallon of RO to the upper res and they're both reading 420.

 

[Nesta]

@GrumpAzz, im curious where you came up with your orca dosing? I think the bottle calls for .5ml/gal. Thats how I have been dosing. This has nothing to do with whats going on with this plant, but I’m wondering if im under dosing my res.

 

[smoke]

I questioned throwing in some epsom salts this round...
I used a lot of it last round and threw a bit in before this res change but didn't add any today.


No. One of the meters reads the top-off resevoir and the other reads the plant resevoirs. I added a gallon of RO to the upper res and they're both reading 420.

Epsom as a foliar is the quickest way to feed magnesium imo

I don’t spray anything if they are in flower. Maybe during week 1

 

[smoke]

2ml - Purple
3ml - Green
1.5ml - Orca

Im not sure if you're following my recommendations but when i say the ratio's i would use are 3-2-1 green, purple, orca which equates to15ml green, 10ml purple, 5ml which i call a single dose.

Many different ways to the finish line

 

[Aqua Man]

Yeah i agree with @smoke I would up the ppm also

 

[GrumpAzz]

@GrumpAzz, im curious where you came up with your orca dosing? I think the bottle calls for .5ml/gal. Thats how I have been dosing. This has nothing to do with whats going on with this plant, but I’m wondering if im under dosing my res.

I don't know. I noticed a little browning early on and upped the dose. Before that I've always just added 1ml/gal. I have less filter media in the res this time so I figured the extra dose wouldn't hurt. I emptied the resevoirs with this change so I assumed the more the better.